Yes. For a Sonic comic, people expect a fast-paced action adventure book. Something with a lot of cool flashy action with tons of style. The complete opposite of what the book actually is.
In its current form, the Restoration is basically just an extension of the Resistance from Sonic Forces, which itself was a diet version of the Freedom Fighters from Archie and Fleetway, except even those three had grounding in that they were movements formed to fight Eggman, whose Empire was something resembling an actual empire in those cases. The Restoration is about cleaning up everything after the events of Forces, but Forces didn't really do anything with its environments that would be interesting to see.
Ideally, the Restoration would basically be an excuse for a world tour ala Archie's Shattered World Crisis before moving on to something else.
IDWs run is fundamentally flawed cause they chose to focus on the aftermath of sonic forces, a game literally nobody cared about. Why couldn't we have gotten something like the archie megaman comics, where each game is adapted verbatim with fan favorites/opinions sprinkled into the mix.
Does anyone actually defend the IDW run to the extent this meme implies? I never see it. I see more people complaining about it to the extent of the wojak on the right. Not that I think it's good mind you, I just think the critics tend to be louder than the fans from my own anecdotal experience.
>Reddit and Twitter seem to love the comics
anon everyone in twitter and reddit is using IDW sonic as a way to promote their art they are not buying the comic neither supporting idw.
I see people defend IDW as a corporate entity this hard. Usually for culture war reasons. I actually haven't met anyone who cares about IDW sonic.
I wonder what CWC's take on it is.
So how long until IDW dies?
They will almost certainly still be here in 2024, but we'll have a better idea. Check first quarter 2024 earnings report, because that's when the damage from the Hollywood strike will be more evident.
There's one on Cinemaphile that defends the comics are canon because Ian Flynn and some merchandise bs and calls you a chipmunk fricker if you disagree
I don’t. Same goes with Archie and I love those comics. But you can’t ignore the glaring flaws. Even the most dedicated Archie fan has their hairs stand on end because of stories that Penders wrote.
Huh.
So if given the chance, Ian would definitely take Ken's route in writing but he can't because Sega is keeping a tight leash? I mean, it's fair for Sega to be worried, you only let that situation happen once.
If that was true, he would have done that once he started out in Archie. Sega didn’t put a tight grip on that until around the reboot happened. Ian is clearly not a competent writer at the moment, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he wont stoop down to Ken’s level if he had the chance.
Ian's strengths are taking massive over-bloated continuities and connecting all the lore together and smoothing it out in a satisfying way. He is good at edge and drama without a mandate.
He is not good at boring slice of life comedies or shoen adventures where none of the stakes or past conflicts matter and SEGA is making him write the main characters as speaky clean as Mickey Mouse.
>If that was true, he would have done that once he started out in Archie
Pellerito specifically hired him because he was some no-name fanboy who would shut up and do what he was told in order to clean house, and even then Pellerito had to reign in his autism a lot, like when he wanted to make House of Cards a fricking year-long civil war arc.
Actually its because ian cannot fathom writing sonic without the FFs as a crutch
sonic the hedgehog is a leftist character. the entire point is to stand up against a totalitarian polluter that is turning the animals of the forest in to his robot slaves. environmentalist themes carry over from the sega games with scrap brain zone, chemical plant zone, oil ocean zone. there are pristine landscapes like with aquatic ruin zone, hilltop zone, and ice cap zone. anthropological references are made with marble zone, aquatic ruin zone, hidden palace zone and sky sanctuary zone. warnings of unregulated capitalist industrial revolution ruining the landscape are reminiscent of princess nausicaa, and sonic's success may have set the stage for a culture in japan that would be very receptive to the showcasing of princess mononoke.
the instruction book for the first sonic sega game literally says save the animals.
ken penders didn't ruin anything, he just took the essential conflict of sonic and wrote it badly without the philosophy shown in sonic SatAM. no 90s cartoon will ever have the ethical power of uncle chuck rewriting or cirucmventing his own programming to become a benevolent individual again
Yeah Antoine was insufferable in SatAM and was a wuss in the early issues of Archie, but dude eventually became a Gigachad. In fact, he became such a chad that he was the only one who got to keep his partner post Genesys Wave reboot.
he didn't at all. He just stopped being treated as the comic relief, but in return he stopped being taken along on missions because there was nothing he could fricking do. He even lampshaded this to Bunnie after she lost her cybernetics. "Yes you are useless an' pathetique now and cannot help at all but so am I you'll get used to it hon hon hon"
No he didn't. Antoine stopped getting taken on missions during the Penders era, but the Flynn era right down to the end Antoine and the rest of the Freedom Fighters were always on missions and main characters.
The last issue of Archie that didn't get published was Sonic traveling with Twan to Mercia and Antoine getting his own super upgrade.
Flynn era left him behind constantly as well. The only time he got taken along started in Reboot because they had to retcon him as actually being able to fight. Even when they're fighting their dopplegangers Antoine's a pussy who couldn't even fight Fiona and needed to call Sonic to fight them for him.
That's not reflective of the reality of the Flynn era. Antoine being arguably one of the physically weaker Freedom Fighters didn't result in him, or the other Freedom Fighters, from getting regular use in the comics and whenever there was a big fight scene Flynn would make a point to try to show all the team doing something.
Rotor got it the worst during the Flynn pre-reboot era, since he was the only Freedom Fighter Archie considered retiring, until they was big fan backlash at him being crippled and stuck on the Council, so they unretired him and have Rotor an Iron Man suit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Antoine being arguably one of the physically weaker Freedom Fighters didn't result in him, or the other Freedom Fighters, from getting regular use in the comics
Lemme list to you what Antoine did after he got married:
Not do fricking shit when they escape the Egg Grapes
Not do fricking shit when they're fighting Enerjak
Not do fricking shit when they're fighting Moebius
Not do fricking shit when they're attacking Eggman directly
Not do fricking shit when they're fighting the Iron Dominion
Get beat up by Geoffrey then impotently seethe at him in court because Geoffrey just humiliated him in front of his wife
Not do fricking shit against either the Death Egg or Battle Fortress invasion of Mobotropolis
Blow himself up like a moron
Nice "chad" you got there, he's still a useless weak cowardly fricking pussy whose wife got fricked by both Sonic and Scourge behind his back.
But oh well at least noone's making fun of him to his face now.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>whose wife got fricked by both Sonic and Scourge behind his back
This would usually be an out-of-turn insult in any other series but in Archie Sonic it's canonically true lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, so you're just a deranged lunatic seething over characters from Archie
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, so you're just an Archie manbaby bitter because the reality that Archie characters were poorly written makes you piss yourself in nostalgic seethe
And now you have no argument over listing what Antoine literally (did not) do
8 months ago
Anonymous
lol I have no interest in participating in your weird humiliation rage fetish shit
8 months ago
Anonymous
>impotently seethe at him in court
Except Antoine outsmarted and got him convicted. Naugus then pardoned him but Geoffrey still admitted that Antoine got him fair and square. And then Naugus stole Geoffrey's body.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Geoffrey getting pardoned by Naugus was the plan, it's Antoine being outsmarted after Geoffrey already beat Antoine's ass in front of Bunnie.
Not only did Antoine prove himself weak, he also proved he's of no value there either. They do not need him at all.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine malding this hard over a funny little frenchman
8 months ago
Anonymous
Is anon really upset that Antoine is canonically a chad? Definitely has a "this character cucked me and ruined my fantasies" vibe going on here.
Reminder all his crushes and Bunnie canon fricked Sonic and Scourge behind his back
and Bunnie never even told him she had sex with Scourge
Antoine is literally a betacuck in canon
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'd probably cheat on Antoine too, can't blame her.
imagine being paired with a frenchie
8 months ago
Anonymous
Lemme list you all what Antoine did wrong
Lemme list you all what Antoine did wrong
Lemme list you all what Antoine did wrong
LEMME LIST YOU ALL WHAT ANTOINE DID WRONG
I CAN'T STAND IT
I KNOW ANTOINE PLANNED IT
IGNORING THEM, THE EGG GRAPES You guys do the rest, I can't be arsed.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You've still yet to list anything Antoine contributed in those events.
Because you're seething over a narrative and yet have no real argument
8 months ago
Anonymous
>seething
I haven't read a single issue of Archie Sonic in my life.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Also don't know where Anon got the idea that Twan was particularly low on the hurr durr powerlevels in pre-reboot Archie.
In terms of power levels Freedom Fighters were roughly
City Nicole > Sonic >>>>>> Bunnie >>> Rotor (post nano-suit) > normal Nicole> Tails, Sally, Antoine > normal Rotor
Yeah, Fleetway Super Sonic is loved by zoomers.
But Fleetway did it before it was cool. Before Dark Super Sonic, before Darkspine Sonic, before Cyber Sonic. Who ripped off Fleetway with the spiral eyes and fangs.
Not that Anon, but I liked Fleetway a lot. >Sonic's butthole personality is at least intentional, and gives him some character. It's not like IDW where he repeatedly lets depraved villains escape and expects a round of applause >Knuckles is more clever than usual; gets great feats like punching off a chunk of the Floating Island or piloting the Floating Island like a mech and blasting the Death Egg with a lightning cannon (pic related) >modern characters like Team Dark, Blaze, Silver, Cream, etc. hadn't been introduced yet, so the OC characters like Tekno and Shortfuse are less redundant and don't crowd out the main cast as much >OCs do things other than just cry. Most new OC characters are fun villains like Brutus and Metamorphia >lots of fun gonzo adventures with Knuckles fighting dinosaur-ghosts and Sonic fighting pirates and dimension-hopping and miniature Arabian worlds and shit. You never knew what was coming up next issue >No Penders insanity, only other Echidnas are Tikal and Dr. Zachary
I won't say it's perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot as a wacky adventure comic.
>I won't say it's perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot as a wacky adventure comic.
I actually think that everything you said sounds perfect for a cartoon hedgehog.
Ian is trying and failing at making IDW Archie. It’s not going to work. Even Archie had an ending being planned more or less before it was canceled. Final showdown against Eggman or something like that once the Metal Virus arc happened.
IDW has too many mandates and Sega intends for those comics to keep running and have a status quo for a long time.
Eggman literally needs to be killed at this point, for starters, due to what he has done.
But no, we can’t have because of what Sega wants, and so everyone is being written as a goodie two shoes. So the story sucks and Sonic and his friends come off as preachy and dumb. While the Archie writers couldn’t really kill Eggman for pretty much most of the comic, Sonic had, at times, would have killed him, or even indirectly killed Robotnik Prime and was like “oh nice! Whatevs!”
Ian has lost sight and has fallen off very recently. I get what he wants though, and it’s the same thing I want. I want something Archie back, but you can’t do this here.
What needs to happen, which likely will never happen, is that SEGA green lights an alternate continuity comic series, as a send off for all the Sonic fans who have grown up and for those that have grew up with SatAM and Archie. Ian and the other writers can then run free, and make a more serious-toned and stakes-filled story if they wished. Though considering Ian’s most recent writing, I’m not so sure if I would want him to head that kind of project. I want someone more competent.
That’s what I’m saying here. The Archie narrative has no place in IDW. The only way it can work, is if Sega greenlights a separate, more mature project. But that won’t happen because Sega doesn’t have the balls to get too close to anything that Ken Penders touched.
Plus Sega seems to want to avoid more mature stories while simultaneously flirts with those ideas. (Forces, Metal Virus arc, etc). They can’t make up their fricking minds and look where that is getting things at.
That’s one of the reasons why I believe that it will likely never happen.
Yes, I know that the main demographic for Sonic is kids.
But it doesn’t hurt to believe.
Also, Sega has a habit of straying away from that mindset, tries to make a mature story, only to yank things back. They keep flip flopping between making a story for younger kids and a more darker story.
Not to mention, they collabed with fricking Hooters for Sonic Forces.
No, I’m not asking for rated R sonic for crying out loud. I just want some alternate continuity that takes things more seriously, has actual stakes, and has competent writing. Will it happen? Likely no. Due to the reason that you said, and other reasons.
>You ain’t getting anything beyond All Ages with the IP.
homie, we ain't even getting that far. SEGA Sonic just furry DBZ for toddlers. Hell, SEGA literally just made Sonic Babies just recently.
If it was really All Ages, we be getting stuff on the level of The Euro Mickey Comics, or TMNT or Avatar or Samurai Jack.
All Ages means they put nice visuals & cute moments like jangling keys for the kiddies and good writing and pop culture references to intice the parents. Something to appeal to ALL AUDIENCES and not insult everyone's intelligence.
I'm so sick of the concept in general of freedom fighters, rebels, or resistance in Sonic media. It overstayed its welcome decades ago and Sega should never have pulled that shit in Forces. I wish they would just fricking drop it and tell comfy stories with Sonic and his friends (with the gay Resistance/FF).
>Half a decade later. >Still written like a Forrces spinoff comic with a Buddy stand-in (whisper) and the "resistance/restoration" keeping us cooped up in these animal cities thst didn't even exist in other games.
I'm just saying that with where the games are at now, instead of getting more Sonic we'd instead get "scifi marathon with water people and their transhumanist digitalized world finding peace before returning to some kind of god that may or may not still exist."
No, but crying lesbians are
"Uuuuuu Tangle I'm so sad, let's cry while making out"
What boy is gonna wanna read the Steven Universe shit in this book? Boys want cool stylish action. They don’t want the girly crying shit.
I don't hate her, so she's got that going for her
being a background character with a decent role is better than forcibly showing up to do the same things game characters do but worse than start crying like the other girl OCs do
I make the book about fighting gays rather than crying lesbians.
>Replying to the crying criticism
I think it's gotten bad as well. I think the core problem is that Flynn or Stanley want to evoke emotional investment from readers to these characters but crying lesbians are their only trick. This is where being a mediocre writer really stands out. They keep hitting that crying lesbian button to try and make you care because they are not good enough to write more compellingly.
The biggest problem is that half the time the crying is out of nowhere and not earned.
The zombot arc may have been shit, but sure, I can buy characters crying when they're seeing their friends and family get turned into mindless robots right in front of them. But like, remember the last issue? Whisper suddenly crying just because she was wrong about the guy being the mimic in disguise (note: she was not wrong)? That shit's dumb.
This is honestly what doomed the comic. It made the writers think they could approximate mobian civilization from Archie. Without it then would be forced to be more creative or not plant the characters at points of interest.
If they actually explained some disease turned everyone into a furry I would be fine with it. But as far as we know these are separate cities yet don't coexist in any game, so there's a lot of missing pieces to the puzzle.
they do though. The most common city they're in is Central City. In the games it was filled with humans and GUN and no furries. In IDW it's filled with furries and no humans and no GUN
And what’s so wrong with that by default? I like to think of Archie and an alternate continuity. As long as it’s not being forced into the main canon, I don’t see an issue with Archie existing under the premise of it being its own thing. Leaves room for a lot of creativity. It’s one of the reasons why I love those comics despite its shitty writing moments.
8 months ago
Anonymous
There's nothing wrong with it it's SUPPOSED to be an alternate continuity and you're willing to give new context to shit like Gun and Maria.
>If they actually explained some disease turned everyone into a furry I would be fine with it.
That’s how DBZ Kakarot explained the animal people. They were humans who took drugs that turned them into animals.
Because the game wasn’t technically finished. There were still updates to the game that changes the story. I suppose the new ending where Sage never dies is the new canon.
I still don’t understand why they went so hard on Forces but never touched Infinite. The comic is really hurting for competent villains yet Ian brought back the fricking Zeti over him.
>the best parts of IDW are the short stories that last an issue or two >the worst parts of IDW are the long overarching stories >the best parts of IDW feature rough and tumble >the worst parts of IDW feature tangle, whisper and belle >rough and tumble are often in the shortest stories while the girls are often in the longest ones
This is the most frustrating thing about it, they already have the winning formula but keep choosing to ignore it. Just little fun comedy adventures with the occasional big plot to see characters come together is all we need, not some overly drawn out drama about teenage animals sobbing all the time. They should have been the main OCs instead of the crying lesbian friends.
Left side unironically types like the right
But no, it’s not a bad idea. Explains who cleans up the messes and gives regular mobians some drive to protect themselves when others aren’t around
I'm so glad we know who cleans up the messes In these animal populated cities that didn't exist before 2017. Really answers so many questions we've had for so long. What a treat.
Yeah but there's a specific distinction between regular animals Eggman terrorizes (ones used in robots) and main characters in Sonic. Hell exploring that distinction would be more interesting than learning about who pumps the tires on the batmobile for an entire story arc.
Well no, he's only really fricked with them in Force's story, because they didn't exist as a independent populace before that, outside of ancient Echidnas Eggman never met. Before it was regular animals (most 2D games) and human civilians (SA1, SA2, 06, Unleashed Etc.)
That's why IDW comes off as pigeonholed to the setting of one game that was in itself and outlier in the series.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's just an established thing now and kinda silly to think sonic and friends were the only ones.
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what I'm contesting. I'm pointing out this weird assumption you made that Eggman specifically singles out "mobians" when it's never been the case before Forces. It's been regular people and regular animals, unless his ire is specifically aimed at a main character.
>and gives regular mobians some drive to protect themselves when others aren’t around
Except they never do this, because the whole shitty “organisation” is pacifistic
There’s nothing even inside the place, it’s just an enpty shopping mall promenade
>strike force >it’s just Tangle and Whisper being bossed around by a self-important sheep
Aka it’s just 3 shitty lesbians who taped themselves onto the refular heroes who fight Eggman anyway
They’re literally no different
With the way people tried to force drama over the fact that Whisper got slapped by the person she literally assaulted and was still hanging onto after getting slapped, I've lost all care for any criticism for the comic. It's still shit, don't like it myself, but it's clear most of the conversation against it will be filled with people desperate to do anything possible to make it look bad.
Which is absolutely ridiculous because the shit they did to Silver directly after was absolutely unforgiveable from a writing standpoint, but that didn't get pushed onto multiple boards and like they did 1 page of Crying Lesbian vs b***h Sheep.
>she literally assaulted
touch someone's arm while moving them out the way = assault and a reason to throw them onto the ground in the desperate minds of IDWgays
You're right, it's not assault: if you touch someone, it actually becomes assault AND battery. >touch someone
She was still holding on AFTER she was smacked away, speedreader-kun. You don't get to grab people and force them around but then act like she was just trying to move on by.
The slap masks the actual issue, that being Whisper was in the wrong here and yet it was Silver who suffered the consequences. He wouldn't have jumped to conclusions if she didn't intervene and convinced him that it was Mimic without being sure herself.
Exactly. Like I said myself, what happened directly afterwards to Silver was some of the absolute most moronic shit ever. Whisper immediately heelturns on her conviction because Mimic allows himself to be hurt, Whisper gets fukken babied even though she was the one who put things into motion, and everyone--even the wisps--talk to and look at Silver like he's a pile of shit that just got done taking a hammer to the maternity ward. The fact that people instead focus on the slap instead of the actual ridiculousness right after shows that a good chunk of people are just really hoping to find any excuse to complain about the Crying Lesbian and Restoration before anything else. It's making a mountain out of a molehill while a volcano is going off 5ft to the right.
No, it's just that you're a mong and see anything less than being willing to make up bullshit to continue try to garner negative public sentiment as being a fanboy of them.
i've seen people damage control and say "ACTUALLY SHE KNOWS ITS HIM!!", as if that makes her look any less like a moron in this scenario, or not a b***h for making Silver take the fall.
She got herself in a fight with Lanolin, got a useful asset like Silver to frick off when he could be vital when the next threat arrives, the whole Restoration is now convinced she's delusional and can't be trusted, Mimic/Duo has all suspiscion cleared from him AND promoted.
And it's just all so poorly written. It'd be ridiculous to do regardless of execution, but if they really wanted to go this series of events, then they should've had Whisper go to greater extents (especially since she hyped up here """"hunt""""), make it actually become negligent for Silver not to question going along with it, have Mimic get actually hurt instead of just a 3ft drop (although I presume he did shapeshift a fake fracture, seeing how him moving it afterwards is a secret instead of it just being merely-sprained), and give Whisper punishment beyond just "well you ARE the team moron, so I guess what can I expect"
It all encapsulates IDW's terrible pacing, ridiculous characterization, squandering of franchise characters, and a load of other nonsense that STILL PAINTS THE RESTORATION AND WHISPER IN A BAD, moronic LIGHT THAT JUSTIFIES HATING THEM
and yet people focus on the SLAP????
i've seen people damage control and say "ACTUALLY SHE KNOWS ITS HIM!!", as if that makes her look any less like a moron in this scenario, or not a b***h for making Silver take the fall.
She got herself in a fight with Lanolin, got a useful asset like Silver to frick off when he could be vital when the next threat arrives, the whole Restoration is now convinced she's delusional and can't be trusted, Mimic/Duo has all suspiscion cleared from him AND promoted.
only a coddled homosexual like you could possibly equate someone touching your arm while moving past you to a good reason to attack them. Lanolin was a fricking vainglorious moron demanding Whisper has to beg her for permission before interrogating someone for info, or that Lanolin that smack them around specifically for trying to ask them questions (which is the actual stated reason she threw Whisper onto the floor, not because "she hecking touched muh arm I'm being assaulted!!!"
grabbing someone's arm, especially when they're telling you to not proceed, is grounds for retaliation. Especially since for all they know, you're going to hurt someone innocent.
Atleast Lanolin didn't wham Silver, good lord imagine the reaction to THAT...
8 months ago
Anonymous
That whole issue was forced as hell honestly
8 months ago
Anonymous
It most certainly is not you coddled gay. Lanolin has no right to boss Whisper around on what she can and can't do, especially when they were literally just going to ask him questions and Whisper is lightyears more qualified than the big-headed sheep, and touching someone's arm lightly in just moving past them is no grounds for starting an actual fight with actual risk of injury.
What's more, she threw Whisper to the ground because in her very own words, she did it to stop her interrogating the obvious suspect BECAUSE she was butthurt Whisper didn't ask her for permission first.
Lanolin was a vain gay who was throwing a tantrum noone respected her as the leader and begged her for permission, and threw Whisper to the ground starting a fight over the fact Whisper tried to ask mimic questions, not because Whisper topuched her arm and she's a little autistic zoomerbaby like you.
>touching your arm
You touch me, I push you back
You fricking grab my arm and force it out of the way, holy frick you've got some gall to call anyone else coddled if you think you're not gonna get smacked for that.
AND SHE WAS STILL HOLDING ON AFTERWARDS
b***h GOT THE DEATH GRIP AND YOU KEEP SAYING SHE WAS JUST """TOUCHING"""
SHE TOOK A DIVE AND WAS STILL HANGING ON
8 months ago
Anonymous
noone but little zoomer homosexuals like you who freak out and have panic attacks at any physical contact are that overdramatic. If you're blocking the way, and someone peacefully moves past you, then you literally throw them to the floor. You were the instigator, and what they did in zero way threatens you with any harm or violence. What you do to them threatens them with violence
8 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, you are beyond moronic, and the only solace that anyone can take from having interacted with you is that, if you seriously think grabbing someone and forcing them aside is "just moving past," you're either
A) Gonna get your block knocked off for being a socially maladjusted moron that does that to someone
B) You're gonna get yourself molested because you let people run their hands all up and down you without letting go
Either way, the universe will eventually provide, we can only hope to god it's soon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
we both know he's a pussy who's never been in a fight irl, thats why something as basic as personal space eludes him.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nah I wouldn't reduce it down to personal space. Like yeah you're already gonna be on thin fukken ice if you get up in someone's face and touch them, but that just feeds into his delusional idea that Whisper was just trying to move on by after being blocked. She was gripping on that Sheep b***h like nothing else. If you get your block knocked and you still grippin, then you came to do some bullshit and are far beyond just trying to squeeze on past.
The slap masks the actual issue, that being Whisper was in the wrong here and yet it was Silver who suffered the consequences. He wouldn't have jumped to conclusions if she didn't intervene and convinced him that it was Mimic without being sure herself.
Whisper was in the wrong...for wanting to ask questions of the person she (the most qualified person alive on earth) suspected to be Mimic?
Because she didn't beg Lanolin for permission first? Like frick she has to do that, frick Lanolin.
Trying to attack, there is zero hint or reason for u to say she was trying to ask a question. Especially when questions are verabl, fricking dumbass, reminder verbal questions dont require u to get close
trying to interrogate. Nowhere does she or he attack him. When they catch him they literally sit him on a chair and ask him verbal questions and he fakes falling just to fake an injury.
So is the next comic going to be a post Sonic Frontiers comic that only focuses on Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy? Sega's pushing that a lot these days.
I don't hate her, so she's got that going for her
being a background character with a decent role is better than forcibly showing up to do the same things game characters do but worse than start crying like the other girl OCs do
She's a paper-pusher. A secretary. Someone who greases the wheels and keeps everything running smoothly. It's not a glorious job, but a necessary one. And it also keeps Amy and Knuckles from needing to fill in that role cause they suck at it.
In its current form, the Restoration is basically just an extension of the Resistance from Sonic Forces, which itself was a diet version of the Freedom Fighters from Archie and Fleetway, except even those three had grounding in that they were movements formed to fight Eggman, whose Empire was something resembling an actual empire in those cases. The Restoration is about cleaning up everything after the events of Forces, but Forces didn't really do anything with its environments that would be interesting to see.
Ideally, the Restoration would basically be an excuse for a world tour ala Archie's Shattered World Crisis before moving on to something else.
Rough and Tumble are meme characters. They're not bad, but they can't hold a plot. Surge would have been interesting if she was done by competent writers in a story without a kajilion mandates.
>without a kajilion mandates
The mandates aren't even bad. They're the standard shit for licensed material. They're necessary to keep the world and characters on-brand.
It's one thing to ask for stuff like not blatantly changing the characters or injecting it with shiphomosexualry, but then you have the stuff that makes it impossible to tell a story like how you can't even show heavy injuries or anything 'violent' (as if anyone reading this comic is a kid lmao) - look at the Surge vs Whisper fight, Surge literally curb stomps Whisper and she's completely fine, no signs of damage, just a little scuff and she's completely a-okay a few pages later.
Then you have really stupid stuff like "Money doesn't exist" or "Team Dark actually never existed"
Sonic is an IP aimed primarily at children. This extends to the license comic also being aimed primarily at children. >Then you have really stupid stuff like "Money doesn't exist"
It does. It's mentioned in Vector's bio. They're just trying to figure out if rings are the currency or not. >"Team Dark actually never existed"
They're allies, but not an actual team.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Sonic is an IP aimed primarily at children
I'm pretty sure the average Sonic fan is over 30 and obese. When's the last time you've seen a kid play a Sonic game? Anyone?
Sure they may have liked the movies, but then what?
PS: crossovers with Mario don't count.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Sonic is an IP aimed primarily at children.
Well then maybe they should stop aiming like fricking garbage because if you think the people reading the IDW comic are children you must be blind.
>It does.
Not anymore. Does it make sense? No, but apparently it's a mandate now. No money in stories. >They're allies, but not an actual team.
What the frick is the difference? What, does Shadow have to act like some stupid bootleg of namek arc vegeta all the goddamn time?
Are you implying Flynn and co care about telling a good story? How the frick can you think that after looking at the melodramatic trainwreck that is Frontiers?
>The mandates aren't even bad.
Not only are they bad for IDW but they were bad for Sonic Boom writers to the point they didn't want to bother using Big the Cat. Writing Shadow was another problem for both Sonic Boom and Sonic Prime.
>Iizuka and the suits at Sega are hyper autistic about their enforcement.
They're Japanese. Nintendo's the exact same way.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nintendo don't make bullshit rules like "you can't give any background or sidecharacters names without going through a 6-month approval process with us to get that background character made sega-approved"
8 months ago
Anonymous
That's because there isn't a licensed Mario comic. If there was, the same shit would be happening. Most companies are very particular with how their characters should be portrayed. Especially if said character is their mascot. They don't want writers and artists going hog-wild with their bread and butter.
8 months ago
Anonymous
They most absolutely are fricking not. Especially not with comics.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yes they are. It’s standard practice.
8 months ago
Anonymous
spoken like someone who just doesn't know what they're talking about, yes
Care to list comics you know where they’re not allowed to create background characters without a months-long approval process just to get a name?
8 months ago
Anonymous
spoken like someone who just doesn't know what they're talking about, yes
8 months ago
Anonymous
Ian went on record saying Nintendo would've been worse with mandates than Sega.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No shit. What we have rn would be complete creative compared to what Nintendo would allow.
Did you guys forget that Sega has IDW under contract saying they can't go deep into characterization? Sonic can't ever go into too strong emotion. That was one of the deals they had?
>Sonic can't ever go into too strong emotion
As in he can't cry like a b***h. Yeah, no shit. Dude's supposed to be calm, cool and collected. Him losing his cool would be off-brand for him.
In Forces Eggman conquered the planet and razed everything to the ground. Those who didn't like him banded together into the Resistance. After Eggman was defeated the Resistance reformed into the Restoration, dedicated now to rebuilding civilization, getting the people jobs, and training guards, as well as employing agents to stop whatever evil faction pops their head up now and then, including Eggman.
It's whatever. The Resistance was founded by Knuckles, but after Eggman was defeated he returned to Angel Island and left everyone to their own devices. Amy then took over, not wanting to see that level of coordination go to waste. However, she's terrible at managing and hated the role, and continued to look for a replacement among the Restorationists. She found it in israeliteel the Beetle, who used to be a museum curator before Amy gave her the job. israeliteel's good at organizing people and things, so she's now sort of the de-facto ruler of the animal civilization, since the Restoration supports all the rebuilt towns and cities.
While Sonic does his own thing, he tends to take missions from the Restoration since most of his friends work there now.
I described every single comic event they went through in order
You sure did point out you have no rebuttal, or example of anything he did in those events, because the reality that Antoine was pathetic all through Ian's run displeases your sad internal narrative
>lists off a bunch of events in the comics like you're reading a wiki page and claims incorrectly that Antoine didn't do anything during them
I, or anyone else, am supposed to take this seriously.
Its like if I claim that Goku doesn't do anything in Dragon Ball Z and just list off a bunch of chapters, I'll look like a moron.
>claims incorrectly
I claimed correctly, and you still have not listed what Antoine actually did during them, which should be easy if he actually did anything (he didn't)
Feel free
to keep crying like a b***h without listing any examples. I'm sure everyone in this thread will be convinced archieshit was actually good if you keep bawling without real counterpoint.
You're making an assertion, you have a job to prove it. Listing off a bunch of events and then lying about them isn't proving anything, it just makes you look like a moron to people who have actually read the comic.
You can't prove a negative moron, am I supposed to show panels of a character not being in the panel?
Ok let's go through how they attacked Eggman:
Sally led the charge
Tails disabled their weapons
Sonic baited the Egg Phoenix into a trap with help from his flying friends (no help from Antoine)
Sonic fought the Egg Tarantula
Eggman is defeated
No Antoine
How they escaped the Egg Grapes:
Knuckles and Amy freed everyone
Nicole hacked Eggman's computer
Nicole reprogrammed them to send them to Mobotropolis
Sonic baited Eggman into teleporting them there
Knuckles and Vector and Mighty and Bunnie beat the Egg Beater
No Antoine
Because Antoine doesn't contribute in any of these stories
Noone is "lying" just because you don't like reality you pathetic archie manbaby holy shit
and this is now the 5th time you've yet to provide any examples of Antoine doing shit
I had no idea Archiegays are so pathetic they have to lie to themselves about their own trash fanfic
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I had no idea Archiegays are so pathetic they have to lie to themselves about their own trash fanfic
You should've. Literally 90% of what they like about archie is just made-up shit inside their own head. Same goes for Ian.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>non-reader moron still resorting to posting wiki summaries and expects people who read the comic to take them seriously
Why yes, plot summaries generally won't include minor events like a Freedom Fighter destroying a badnik or being part of the team to help, but Flynn made sure to consistently write Antoine and all the Freedom Fighrters into plots even when he didn't have a big role for them.
>this is the point where you reveal that in the over 100 issues in the Flynn run including Sonic Universe that there are some plots and events that didn't have him
Oh my god really?! Wow, "Character X" wasn't written like some kind of Poochie and included in every scene and when not in scenes the other character weren't asking where they were? Oh my gosh they were irrelevant!
You should stick to making malding bait threads to shit up the archives.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>or being part of the team to help
That’s the point you’re desperately ig oring like a seething gay.
Antoine doesn’t help in any of them, and you have yet to list anywhere in the stories he helps.
I’ve listed how he does not help or contribute to any of the major events. You’ve listed absolutely nowhere he was contributing anything. >that there are some plots and events that didn't have him
Oh yeah just “some plots and events” he did nothing on. Totally not the years-long running storyline of the main comics as they go from fighting Eggman to fighting the Iron Dominion to defending Mobotropolis
Just that totally small sporadic storyline that he did absolutely fricking nothing in, and that you for the 6th consecutive post have failed to list a single action he contributed.
Since you’re a seething nostalgic archie manbaby.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Not my job to educate or spoonfeed you gay.
You alleged that a main character in the comic wasn't actually a main character in the comic because you're some weird cuckold fetish guy, and your proof was a bunch of stilted comic beats you stole from wiki plot sections.
You have successfully made yourself look insane and delusional, but that's a normal Tuesday for you isn't it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>replying to anyone that uses the term Archiegay unironically
homie you're right but you're still shitting up the thread by replying to bait.
8 months ago
Anonymous
As opposed to your proof which…fricking nothing.
Because archiegays like yourself can’t provide evidence where they have non, only your own seething for hours over a shitty fanfic whose imagined plotbeats only exist in your head.
As you’ve proven, because you still haven’t listed anything Antoine actually did that entire time.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Archiegays are pathetic and delusional homosexuals anon don’t bother
They’re very literally just like Chris as you’ve seen. Reality doesn’t matter so long as they can shit their adult diapers and deny the real world
8 months ago
Anonymous
You want me to spoodfeed you a storytime of 100+ comics for a disingenuous cuck obsessed moron?
Keep saying what you're saying, it just makes you look deranged, like a mad man running into the ocean and screaming the water isn't wet.
But to be clear, it is seriously unhealthy how you're obsessing over Antoine like this and I hope you get help someday.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Antione didn't do shit >YES HE HAS SHIT UP >prove it >NO!
Why are sonicgays like this? Do you seriously think you came out this exchange looking like the sane one here? I was just lurking before this autistic slapfight and you ended up being so insufferable I just had to comment on it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit, you were so malding over losing that exchange you had to samegay "uh not me, pinky promise' reply hours later.
that's why Bunnie fricks other guys and Antoine has to suck Scourge's cum out her vajayjay
he's such a great lover Sonic and Scourge had to fill Bunnie with their backshots
I don't think any Archie fan would deny that Antoine, Sally, Tails, Sonic, Rotor, Amy, basically every Sonic character that wasn't Knuckles and Ash were done dirty by Penders.
Sonic was done too good by Penders.
Fricking turned him into a vainglorious harem anime gay at every other characters’ expense.
I’ll never forget that awful plotline where Sonic’s suddenly a guitar prodigy and everyone in town gathers to fricking clap for him
Geoffrey canonically had sex with Sally and Penders confirmed it word of god.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>and Penders confirmed it word of god.
That's not words of gods.
Word of gods is if Sega confirm it. What kind of complete moron are you?
When it come to licensed Intellectual Properties, nothing that isn't officially published is canon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>the writer of the book didn't include hardcore graphic sex in his comic book, so the writers intentions are invalid
Ok Cope
8 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, pedo.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Bro, not only did Sonic get cucked by ol stinky Geoff, he got cucked by Scourge and Fiona mocked him for it.
Cucked by the guy that bottoms to evil Big the Cat.
8 months ago
Anonymous
“You will love the Penders”
“You will LOVE his idea about a 25 year old fricking a 16 year old”
“You WILL love cuck stories involving that said premise”
Ken, is that you?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You will LOVE his idea about a 25 year old fricking a 16 year old
This is based as frick.
Wish other writers were this ballsy to write what the frick they want, you only get that in Japan now. Penders is an actual gigachad
8 months ago
Anonymous
Where do you think we are?
Geoffrey is based for smashing that hebe puss and Sonic’s a homosexual little cuck sucking his skunk cum out of her chipmunny
8 months ago
Anonymous
>>the writer of the book didn't include hardcore graphic sex
You know there is other way to communicate people had sex, right?
Anyway, it's not about what the author says, it's about what Sega say.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>>the writer of the book didn't include hardcore graphic sex in his comic book, so the writers intentions are invalid
Thank you for understanding. Glad we agree.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Geoffrey canonically had sex with Sally
No, he didn't. Penders outright said that story wasn't told. And he said that after he was kicked out by Archie. Nothing he say after that can be considered canon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Death of the Author. Now what, homosexual?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Geoffrey canonically had sex
with Rotor!
That's how we know Rotor is gay :^)
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, Rotor had nasty old man gay sex with a wrinkled echidna nobody.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It didn’t happen in the comic, Ken tweeted this years later after he was no longer a writer.
His pedo nonsense simply never happened. The fact that you’re taking one of gross tweets as canon says a lot about you.
Enough about Antoine for a second, where's the humans in IDW?
We saw Sonic and Blaze fricking around in Spagonia yet not a single human to be seen. Why are they all anthros? Why's Eggman the token human?
Why did that stab a change when humans were there and in our faces as recent as Unleashed and GUN has shown up even more recently even if we didn't see a driver.
The two worlds and thing never existed in game canon. It was just spoken of behind the scenes. Humans lived in highly populated areas and animal people lived in rural locations as shown in Rush Adventure.
It wasn't an issue until Forces where we now imply cities are ONLY animal people and the human military no longer exists after being shown in detail in SA2 and many other games.
There was a Bumblecast from like a week ago where Ian said they weren't currently allowed to show humans. Visiting human cities is OK now, though, hence the Spagonia date.
Except we get mixed results sometimes. Like Penders.
There has to be some sort of sweet spot. Sega should let loose but also keep an eye on who’s writing and what they are writing so that things don’t get too wild or gross.
IDW's fricking boring and Ian's a terrible writer. Put in Katella and Tanaka as Eggman's rivals with their series' robots (katella's aosth and tanaka's sonic x) and it'll be fun again
Why do you think Sonic Prime is such dogshit no one fricking talks about it anon? >let's copy marvels multiverse shit >in the worst fricking way possible >also no alternate sonic's because frick you that's why
I do hate to break it to you but Antoine had already broken up with Bunnie when Scourge tried to date her, sorry if I'm ruining your gross cuck fantasy fap right now
“Honey I think we should go on a break so I can go have sex with other guys”
“I’ll settle down withh you once I’m off the wiener carousel m’kay?”
Tale as old as time. What a fricking cuck
>“Honey I think we should go on a break so I can go have sex with other guys” >“I’ll settle down withh you once I’m off the wiener carousel m’kay?”
Good thing that's not what actually happened, then.
It is what happened. “Antoine” (Patch in disguise) broke up with her and then Bunnie immediately let Scourge and Sonic frick her in the woods
And then on his daddy’s deathbed she told real Antoine she let Sonic bang her and he said “I don’t care you’re Sonic’s bawd I’m a little cuck who wants his used goods anyway”
And she never even told him she fricked Scourge lmao
>It is what happened. “Antoine” (Patch in disguise) broke up with her
Son it's actually not >>“Honey I think we should go on a break so I can go have sex with other guys”
That happened, then.
>and then Bunnie immediately let Scourge and Sonic frick her in the woods
Pretty sure Sonic didn't have sex with Bunnie.
>Pretty sure Sonic didn't have sex with Bunnie
He did. Both Scourge and Sonic fricked her on different occasions behind Antoine the betacuck’s back
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why does Sonic look like an aborted fetus?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Archieshit art
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Both Scourge and Sonic fricked her
Again, there is no indication of sex.
And cuking require the partner cheating, which didn't happen.
8 months ago
Anonymous
There is. They literally “slept together” in the woods.
And Antoine’s a cuck because his wife fricks other guys. I don’t care about your terminology, Antoine is king of cucks and his wife is a town bicycle
8 months ago
Anonymous
Its funny, the word of god was that nothing happened between Scourge and Bunnie, as opposed to the word of god confirming that Sonic was cleaning up the stinky skunks' loads for the princess.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>the word of god was that nothing happened between Scourge and Bunnie
It’s not though. Literally zero source
8 months ago
Anonymous
>as opposed to the word of god confirming that Sonic was cleaning up the stinky skunks' loads for the princess.
Neither Sega nor Archie Publishing ever stated that, so no word of god, there.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Geoffrey nailing Sally before Sonic.
Wasnt that what Penders was planning if he hadn't been fired?
The one thing I will not miss about Archie was all the relationship drama shit.
Maybe if Cinemaphile hadn't poisoned the brains of a generation of men into thinking that women are property and if they so much as look at another man before getting married they're a dirty prostitute and the man is a cuck the discourse around it wouldn't be so fricking annoying, but we don't live in that world.
Yeahhhh, romance was definitely not the comic’s greatest strengths. I mean, we did get really nice moments between Sonic and Sally at the very least, but then you remember all the garbage at the same time.
Isn’t it interesting how every time Sonic makes a comic it’s fricking DOGSHIT?
I seriously think Archie Sonic is a contendor for the worst comic series ever made in history
Why the frick is Archie's art? It looks like dogshit, the artists couldn't draw furries for shit lmao.
At least Fleetway looks good, not that unappealing.
>Posts an early issue
At least the art evolved, Archie looked like shit several years into it's run, in fact I'd say it devolved in quality from its earliest books.
>Archie looked like shit several years into it's run
And it also looked great early on, and for the last decade of its run.
Hell, even during the shit early 2000s era with the infamous bad art, they had great artists like Axer, Butler, Spaz and Gray providing consistently good art
This isn’t about canon ages. Frick that, Sonic and his buddies save for tails are adults to me. And you know this is not what I’m talking about. Ken Penders, specifically wanted a 25 year old (Geoffrey) to frick a 16 year old (Sally).
If you can’t see the issue you are either a fricking moron or a creep as well that’s doing a bad job at hiding it.
This isn’t about canon ages. Frick that, Sonic and his buddies save for tails are adults to me. And you know this is not what I’m talking about. Ken Penders, specifically wanted a 25 year old (Geoffrey) to frick a 16 year old (Sally).
If you can’t see the issue you are either a fricking moron or a creep as well that’s doing a bad job at hiding it.
>specifically wanted a 25 year old (Geoffrey) to frick a 16 year old (Sally)
Based as frick. Thank god we don’t have moral panic bootlickers like you writing anything
lol, its all coming clear here, the cuckgay angry that Antoine is considered a chad by Archie fans is malding over Sonic canonically being a cuck to Geoff
>is malding over Sonic canonically being a cuck to Geoff
Still no source for that.
Little tip: some twitter post by an ex-writer done after he was kicked out of Archie comic is not what is considered "canon".
Especially when that very source outright said it didn't happen.
>He said it did happen
Literally said the opposite. Said this story wsn't told. therefore, not canon. >Geoffrey WAS faster
"in that department", not Sally specifically.
Also, not canon because not published in the comic.
That department is referring to taking Sally’s virginity
Which the writer himself said happened
Unless contradicted by sega or any other writer (it has not been), it remains canon Word of God that Geoffrey WAS the one who fricked Sally.
Well my apologies then. In that case, that’s bad as well. I’m not going to take sides here. Good thing ages are canon anymore, I view Sonic and most of his friends as adults now anyway.
Doesn’t excuse the fact that Ken specifically wanted a 16 year old to be fricked by a 25 year old. That’s still arguably worse. And still gross.
You can’t go “durrr your argument is unclad because x bad thing happened before”.
Thing is, at this point, it was just a one-sided crush from a girl and sonic responded to it appropriately by not reciprocating. So, no wrong doing, there.
I haven’t said a single word about Antoine except these two posts.
Can we at least admit that Antoine was done dirty by Penders and Bollers because of shit like that?
Yeah Antoine was insufferable in SatAM and was a wuss in the early issues of Archie, but dude eventually became a Gigachad. In fact, he became such a chad that he was the only one who got to keep his partner post Genesys Wave reboot.
The earlier one being an obvious bait post which started all of this bickering.
And Patch. By this guys standards any character two characters that are in a room together is somehow cucking, so Patch almost marrying Sally has to count since you can infer as much bullshit degenerate fanfiction that happened off panel you want like like he does with the Scourge Bunnie tree thing.
This is what “”“people””” like you always say, then comes the news report about a weeb who gets caught kidnapping a kid to make them an irl e-girl. Many such cases.
You will never be not malding, you will never stop seething that SEGA approved every last panel of Archie comics, and you will never stop making seething threads for our entertainment whining about Archiegays.
Yeah Antoine was insufferable in SatAM and was a wuss in the early issues of Archie, but dude eventually became a Gigachad. In fact, he became such a chad that he was the only one who got to keep his partner post Genesys Wave reboot.
Archie was at its best with Universe and the Reboot when it was delivering short multi-part, mostly self contained adventure stories.
IDW needs more stuff like that, they got it right with Scrapnik Island
Not Archie?
Ian "fat gay frick" Flynn got so triggered by that one panel he threw a rant saying he's gonna make Tails and Barby "dead and buried", then paired Barby up with his ugly platypus self-insert and used age difference as an excuse to write an entire arc about making Tails into Sonic's cuck.
Any self-respecting /ss/gay should and would recognise Archie as the disgusting cuckold TRASH for homosexuals that it is. Absolutely disgraceful, I wouldn't wipe my ass with with homosexual book.
Imagine having the autistic power to longterm affect the reputation and writing quality of not just one long running franchise comic, but two. I'll give Penders some credit in that we're never gonna forget him for sure.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Are you kidding? Penders affected all of sega, and all of fricking Japan's willingness to licence their shit out.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Sega yes, the rest of Japan no, Archie Sonic was by far the only example of western companies fricking up a Japanese property.
people like this should not be given work.
If you hate the goddamn source material so much, go find some other source material instead of ruining someone else's work.
>If you hate the goddamn source material so much, go find some other source material instead of ruining someone else's work
It's incredible how this exact problem has fricked so many different comics up the ass.
Guy who doesn't like Spider-Man growing up and getting married. Hired to write Spider-man
Guy who doesn't like Superman's son being a cute boy and crushing on girls. Hired to write Superman's son.
Guy who doesn't like Batman and Joker writing a Batman and Joker miniseries. Hired to write Batman and Joker.
Guy who doesn't like Watchmen. Hired to write Watchmen sequel.
You forgot the most legendary one
"I hate that this strong powerful woman got overpowered and raped by a man, so now there was no rape she cheated on her husband with the villain willingly"
It was only ever Ian who hated it so much, rest of the Archie fans didn’t care.
If they did that in IDW, IDWgays would be calling for the execution of the writer and try to get them blacklisted and cancelled lol
Not Archie?
Ian "fat gay frick" Flynn got so triggered by that one panel he threw a rant saying he's gonna make Tails and Barby "dead and buried", then paired Barby up with his ugly platypus self-insert and used age difference as an excuse to write an entire arc about making Tails into Sonic's cuck.
Any self-respecting /ss/gay should and would recognise Archie as the disgusting cuckold TRASH for homosexuals that it is. Absolutely disgraceful, I wouldn't wipe my ass with with homosexual book.
Of those properties, only Homestuck ever shitted the bed on the level as Sonic The Hedgehog. Like, what makes Undertale as bad as '06 or Rise Of Lyric? Casualnigs being floored by the pacifism? The gay little goat in the spin-off?
The thing about MLP is that it's cringe fandom is balanced by the fact that it's definitely the most productive fandom of it's size. It had it's own cons, enough fanfics to have it's own(pretty large) website to archive them, some of the fics have even been printed in book form and sold, thousands of fanmade songs, bronies even have their own radio stations because there's so many fan songs that they can be on air for months without repeating a song, fanmade clothing and plushies, dozens of high quality fan games, hundreds of fan animations. There are much larger fandoms that haven't produced a tenth of what bronies did. Even if you don't like the show you've got to respect that it inspired a lot of creative people, in fact I doubt we'll ever see something like that again.
>undertale >poni >homestuck >loud house >steven universe
No
It was OG autism magnet along with Pokemon, but thanks to the internet newer franchises have a fighting chance to be the most autistic fanbase if just for a while.
IDW has been shilling money for years trying to get its original IPs TV or movie adaptions, and it's blowing up in their face because nobody gives a rat's ass about any of IDW's original IPs. So now they're doubling-down on licensed comics because it's their only moneymakers and it's doubly blowing up in their face because those always have a higher overhead due to licensing fees.
IDW is the equivalent of an anime filler arc. It can't develop anything, the writers don't know what they're working with until Sega tells them and there's a reliance on original characters to have any kind of creative liberty.
It's not allowed to be an actual romance. Tangle and Whisper aren't canonically a couple but they're so thinly veiled that they had the lesbian flag behind them in an issue that came out during pride month.
People make fun of it now, but back then, fans were actually requesting more focus on romance, and for their chosen ship to sail. Nothing's changed. 15-20 years from now, most people will be cracking jokes at how hackneyed IDW's "romance" was.
The Sonic fanbase has always been its own worst enemy and should never be listened to in any circumstance for any reason. Except maybe if the creative teams want ideas for what to avoid.
People make fun of it now, but back then, fans were actually requesting more focus on romance, and for their chosen ship to sail. Nothing's changed. 15-20 years from now, most people will be cracking jokes at how hackneyed IDW's "romance" was.
it's ok when it's lesbians
but when it's straight couples it's forced and doesn't belong in Sonic. Or more accurately when it's game-characters
Unironically if you're so afraid of a mentally ill relative getting shot that you have to make frick off huge signs in their yard then you should just have them committed.
It’s strange, Mimic treats him as the guy who saved the day during the zombie outbreak but no one else does. Lanolin in particular treats him like a complete rookie even though he has way more experience than her.
Same reason Archie had King Max treat Sonic like a schmuck
Penders and Ian can't write without giving annoying characters authority they shouldn't have other others
So is IDW going to sell Sonic or no? The company is worth a fistful of pubic hair a share and I would kill for a hard reboot and the cancer lesbians being left behind.
I used to hate Archie people for constantly insisting their characters and stories should be canon when in reality Archie was only good when it was completely unconstrained by canon and was utterly batshit insane as a result. It made it entertaining to read and really let anything possible happen, but when SEGA cracked down harder on it and neutered that potential it got boring and stale which is in full force in IDW. They can never have any meaningful plotlines, character interactions, or anything that would contradict the games now.
The comics should be, and stay, their own separate canon. Otherwise, there's no point in having them, because nothing the characters say or do will matter in the long run. Might as well have every issue star a villain or evil plot of the week that is resolved within 20 pages, like the first few issues of Archie. Junk only kids could enjoy.
IDW is weird to me because it's "canon" but everything that happens in it just doesn't feel like it. I can't imagine the Restoration existing in the games or Sonic giving a flying frick about the not-freedom fighters.
>Might as well have every issue star a villain or evil plot of the week that is resolved within 20 pages, like the first few issues of Archie.
That would unironically be way more enjoyable than the current IDW run.
Does Sonic "canon" even really mean anything beyond the characters and their history damn near every time Sonic and Tails meet each other it's "long time no see" there's no real status quo in Sonic the Hedgehog knuckles has the master emerald and that's it
I mean in Shadow the Hedgehog Sonic's friends just show up randomly already in the middle of their own odd jobs so how does "Sonic canon" get in the way of any story you want to write, like shipgayging is one thing but I don't believe for a second SEGA mandated that certain character aren't allowed to interact with each other for whatever reason.
>I don't believe for a second SEGA mandated that certain character aren't allowed to interact with each other for whatever reason.
I could believe it. The more random team ups in the book always happen with OCs and game characters don't really talk to other game characters they don't have notable relationships with.
How is not allowing new interactions between game characters quality control? If anything it makes things more stale since the characters are forced into retreads of existing interactions when not messing with ocs.
8 months ago
Anonymous
If anything game characters should be easier to do then ocs at least there you can just ask Sega how they think two characters should interact
Here's a thought, instead of having the characters twiddle their thumbs up eachothers asses, adapt plots from older comics that readers haven't been introduced to in a modern veil?
Kids would go nuts to see a evil super sonic wrecking shit, with Whisper trying to evade his bs.
Or how about Eggman unveils a new cybernik named Shortfuse who belle is concerned for, noticing something off in the new machine, something that desires freedom.
Or or Knuckles and Lanolin come across distorted doubles of their friends after interacting with the paradox prism
Orr Orrr Or Tangle is tasked by israeliteel to deliver some important papers to a certain orange badger who's been holed up since eggman's invasion, and the two must band together to defeat a fearsome snake named lyric
And tons of other shit, what if we brought Cosmo into mainline canon, or tackled another storybook arc but this time the whole gang can come along. Just tons of possibilities.
Legal issues, I'm pretty sure Fleetway characters are owned by their owners and Sonic X characters by Toai.
The only thing Sega still owns is the Freedom Fighters, which they won't use, because Sega of Japan hates them.
Yes. For a Sonic comic, people expect a fast-paced action adventure book. Something with a lot of cool flashy action with tons of style. The complete opposite of what the book actually is.
IDWs run is fundamentally flawed cause they chose to focus on the aftermath of sonic forces, a game literally nobody cared about. Why couldn't we have gotten something like the archie megaman comics, where each game is adapted verbatim with fan favorites/opinions sprinkled into the mix.
Mentally ill troony
Sega is on the make everything canon autism. Sega also doesn't game adaptations.
Does anyone actually defend the IDW run to the extent this meme implies? I never see it. I see more people complaining about it to the extent of the wojak on the right. Not that I think it's good mind you, I just think the critics tend to be louder than the fans from my own anecdotal experience.
Reddit and Twitter seem to love the comics
>Reddit and Twitter seem to love the comics
anon everyone in twitter and reddit is using IDW sonic as a way to promote their art they are not buying the comic neither supporting idw.
Damn
Mostly peeps on Cinemaphile are the ones whp hate it. The *other sites* shill it with their fricking life
I see people defend IDW as a corporate entity this hard. Usually for culture war reasons. I actually haven't met anyone who cares about IDW sonic.
I wonder what CWC's take on it is.
They will almost certainly still be here in 2024, but we'll have a better idea. Check first quarter 2024 earnings report, because that's when the damage from the Hollywood strike will be more evident.
There's one on Cinemaphile that defends the comics are canon because Ian Flynn and some merchandise bs and calls you a chipmunk fricker if you disagree
Other places jerk off the comics to the point any criticism will get stomped out by autistic fans.
What, should I? What's it matter to me if others have shit taste?
I don’t. Same goes with Archie and I love those comics. But you can’t ignore the glaring flaws. Even the most dedicated Archie fan has their hairs stand on end because of stories that Penders wrote.
I'm convinced the restoration only happened because ken penders ruined everything
Actually its because ian cannot fathom writing sonic without the FFs as a crutch
People forget Ian was a huge fan of Penders' actual writing and only soured on Penders as a person in a "don't meet your heroes" moment.
Huh, that might explain a few things
Huh.
So if given the chance, Ian would definitely take Ken's route in writing but he can't because Sega is keeping a tight leash? I mean, it's fair for Sega to be worried, you only let that situation happen once.
If that was true, he would have done that once he started out in Archie. Sega didn’t put a tight grip on that until around the reboot happened. Ian is clearly not a competent writer at the moment, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he wont stoop down to Ken’s level if he had the chance.
Ian's strengths are taking massive over-bloated continuities and connecting all the lore together and smoothing it out in a satisfying way. He is good at edge and drama without a mandate.
He is not good at boring slice of life comedies or shoen adventures where none of the stakes or past conflicts matter and SEGA is making him write the main characters as speaky clean as Mickey Mouse.
>If that was true, he would have done that once he started out in Archie
Pellerito specifically hired him because he was some no-name fanboy who would shut up and do what he was told in order to clean house, and even then Pellerito had to reign in his autism a lot, like when he wanted to make House of Cards a fricking year-long civil war arc.
sonic the hedgehog is a leftist character. the entire point is to stand up against a totalitarian polluter that is turning the animals of the forest in to his robot slaves. environmentalist themes carry over from the sega games with scrap brain zone, chemical plant zone, oil ocean zone. there are pristine landscapes like with aquatic ruin zone, hilltop zone, and ice cap zone. anthropological references are made with marble zone, aquatic ruin zone, hidden palace zone and sky sanctuary zone. warnings of unregulated capitalist industrial revolution ruining the landscape are reminiscent of princess nausicaa, and sonic's success may have set the stage for a culture in japan that would be very receptive to the showcasing of princess mononoke.
the instruction book for the first sonic sega game literally says save the animals.
ken penders didn't ruin anything, he just took the essential conflict of sonic and wrote it badly without the philosophy shown in sonic SatAM. no 90s cartoon will ever have the ethical power of uncle chuck rewriting or cirucmventing his own programming to become a benevolent individual again
>much sharper with art
Yeah Antoine was insufferable in SatAM and was a wuss in the early issues of Archie, but dude eventually became a Gigachad. In fact, he became such a chad that he was the only one who got to keep his partner post Genesys Wave reboot.
he didn't at all. He just stopped being treated as the comic relief, but in return he stopped being taken along on missions because there was nothing he could fricking do. He even lampshaded this to Bunnie after she lost her cybernetics. "Yes you are useless an' pathetique now and cannot help at all but so am I you'll get used to it hon hon hon"
No he didn't. Antoine stopped getting taken on missions during the Penders era, but the Flynn era right down to the end Antoine and the rest of the Freedom Fighters were always on missions and main characters.
The last issue of Archie that didn't get published was Sonic traveling with Twan to Mercia and Antoine getting his own super upgrade.
Flynn era left him behind constantly as well. The only time he got taken along started in Reboot because they had to retcon him as actually being able to fight. Even when they're fighting their dopplegangers Antoine's a pussy who couldn't even fight Fiona and needed to call Sonic to fight them for him.
That's not reflective of the reality of the Flynn era. Antoine being arguably one of the physically weaker Freedom Fighters didn't result in him, or the other Freedom Fighters, from getting regular use in the comics and whenever there was a big fight scene Flynn would make a point to try to show all the team doing something.
Rotor got it the worst during the Flynn pre-reboot era, since he was the only Freedom Fighter Archie considered retiring, until they was big fan backlash at him being crippled and stuck on the Council, so they unretired him and have Rotor an Iron Man suit.
>Antoine being arguably one of the physically weaker Freedom Fighters didn't result in him, or the other Freedom Fighters, from getting regular use in the comics
Lemme list to you what Antoine did after he got married:
Not do fricking shit when they escape the Egg Grapes
Not do fricking shit when they're fighting Enerjak
Not do fricking shit when they're fighting Moebius
Not do fricking shit when they're attacking Eggman directly
Not do fricking shit when they're fighting the Iron Dominion
Get beat up by Geoffrey then impotently seethe at him in court because Geoffrey just humiliated him in front of his wife
Not do fricking shit against either the Death Egg or Battle Fortress invasion of Mobotropolis
Blow himself up like a moron
Nice "chad" you got there, he's still a useless weak cowardly fricking pussy whose wife got fricked by both Sonic and Scourge behind his back.
But oh well at least noone's making fun of him to his face now.
>whose wife got fricked by both Sonic and Scourge behind his back
This would usually be an out-of-turn insult in any other series but in Archie Sonic it's canonically true lmao
Oh, so you're just a deranged lunatic seething over characters from Archie
Oh, so you're just an Archie manbaby bitter because the reality that Archie characters were poorly written makes you piss yourself in nostalgic seethe
And now you have no argument over listing what Antoine literally (did not) do
lol I have no interest in participating in your weird humiliation rage fetish shit
>impotently seethe at him in court
Except Antoine outsmarted and got him convicted. Naugus then pardoned him but Geoffrey still admitted that Antoine got him fair and square. And then Naugus stole Geoffrey's body.
Geoffrey getting pardoned by Naugus was the plan, it's Antoine being outsmarted after Geoffrey already beat Antoine's ass in front of Bunnie.
Not only did Antoine prove himself weak, he also proved he's of no value there either. They do not need him at all.
Imagine malding this hard over a funny little frenchman
Reminder all his crushes and Bunnie canon fricked Sonic and Scourge behind his back
and Bunnie never even told him she had sex with Scourge
Antoine is literally a betacuck in canon
I'd probably cheat on Antoine too, can't blame her.
imagine being paired with a frenchie
Lemme list you all what Antoine did wrong
Lemme list you all what Antoine did wrong
Lemme list you all what Antoine did wrong
LEMME LIST YOU ALL WHAT ANTOINE DID WRONG
I CAN'T STAND IT
I KNOW ANTOINE PLANNED IT
IGNORING THEM, THE EGG GRAPES
You guys do the rest, I can't be arsed.
You've still yet to list anything Antoine contributed in those events.
Because you're seething over a narrative and yet have no real argument
>seething
I haven't read a single issue of Archie Sonic in my life.
Also don't know where Anon got the idea that Twan was particularly low on the hurr durr powerlevels in pre-reboot Archie.
In terms of power levels Freedom Fighters were roughly
City Nicole > Sonic >>>>>> Bunnie >>> Rotor (post nano-suit) > normal Nicole> Tails, Sally, Antoine > normal Rotor
>antoine was insufferable
...that was the joke
People legit only care about fleetway for super sonic because kids love evil sonic. It’s why sonic exe is so popular
I care about Fleetway Sonic for Shortfuse, Tekno and crossbow Amy
I thought their version of Fang was interesting.
Yeah, Fleetway Super Sonic is loved by zoomers.
But Fleetway did it before it was cool. Before Dark Super Sonic, before Darkspine Sonic, before Cyber Sonic. Who ripped off Fleetway with the spiral eyes and fangs.
Not that Anon, but I liked Fleetway a lot.
>Sonic's butthole personality is at least intentional, and gives him some character. It's not like IDW where he repeatedly lets depraved villains escape and expects a round of applause
>Knuckles is more clever than usual; gets great feats like punching off a chunk of the Floating Island or piloting the Floating Island like a mech and blasting the Death Egg with a lightning cannon (pic related)
>modern characters like Team Dark, Blaze, Silver, Cream, etc. hadn't been introduced yet, so the OC characters like Tekno and Shortfuse are less redundant and don't crowd out the main cast as much
>OCs do things other than just cry. Most new OC characters are fun villains like Brutus and Metamorphia
>lots of fun gonzo adventures with Knuckles fighting dinosaur-ghosts and Sonic fighting pirates and dimension-hopping and miniature Arabian worlds and shit. You never knew what was coming up next issue
>No Penders insanity, only other Echidnas are Tikal and Dr. Zachary
I won't say it's perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot as a wacky adventure comic.
>I won't say it's perfect, but I enjoyed it a lot as a wacky adventure comic.
I actually think that everything you said sounds perfect for a cartoon hedgehog.
The Restoration has no soul. It's trying to copy Archie and failing on a fundamental level. They're not a family and they're barely friends.
Ian is trying and failing at making IDW Archie. It’s not going to work. Even Archie had an ending being planned more or less before it was canceled. Final showdown against Eggman or something like that once the Metal Virus arc happened.
IDW has too many mandates and Sega intends for those comics to keep running and have a status quo for a long time.
Eggman literally needs to be killed at this point, for starters, due to what he has done.
But no, we can’t have because of what Sega wants, and so everyone is being written as a goodie two shoes. So the story sucks and Sonic and his friends come off as preachy and dumb. While the Archie writers couldn’t really kill Eggman for pretty much most of the comic, Sonic had, at times, would have killed him, or even indirectly killed Robotnik Prime and was like “oh nice! Whatevs!”
Ian has lost sight and has fallen off very recently. I get what he wants though, and it’s the same thing I want. I want something Archie back, but you can’t do this here.
What needs to happen, which likely will never happen, is that SEGA green lights an alternate continuity comic series, as a send off for all the Sonic fans who have grown up and for those that have grew up with SatAM and Archie. Ian and the other writers can then run free, and make a more serious-toned and stakes-filled story if they wished. Though considering Ian’s most recent writing, I’m not so sure if I would want him to head that kind of project. I want someone more competent.
Or Ian can stop trying to make Archie 2
That’s what I’m saying here. The Archie narrative has no place in IDW. The only way it can work, is if Sega greenlights a separate, more mature project. But that won’t happen because Sega doesn’t have the balls to get too close to anything that Ken Penders touched.
Plus Sega seems to want to avoid more mature stories while simultaneously flirts with those ideas. (Forces, Metal Virus arc, etc). They can’t make up their fricking minds and look where that is getting things at.
Sonic is for kids, dude. You ain’t getting anything beyond All Ages with the IP.
That’s one of the reasons why I believe that it will likely never happen.
Yes, I know that the main demographic for Sonic is kids.
But it doesn’t hurt to believe.
Also, Sega has a habit of straying away from that mindset, tries to make a mature story, only to yank things back. They keep flip flopping between making a story for younger kids and a more darker story.
Not to mention, they collabed with fricking Hooters for Sonic Forces.
No, I’m not asking for rated R sonic for crying out loud. I just want some alternate continuity that takes things more seriously, has actual stakes, and has competent writing. Will it happen? Likely no. Due to the reason that you said, and other reasons.
>You ain’t getting anything beyond All Ages with the IP.
homie, we ain't even getting that far. SEGA Sonic just furry DBZ for toddlers. Hell, SEGA literally just made Sonic Babies just recently.
If it was really All Ages, we be getting stuff on the level of The Euro Mickey Comics, or TMNT or Avatar or Samurai Jack.
All Ages means they put nice visuals & cute moments like jangling keys for the kiddies and good writing and pop culture references to intice the parents. Something to appeal to ALL AUDIENCES and not insult everyone's intelligence.
I'm so sick of the concept in general of freedom fighters, rebels, or resistance in Sonic media. It overstayed its welcome decades ago and Sega should never have pulled that shit in Forces. I wish they would just fricking drop it and tell comfy stories with Sonic and his friends (with the gay Resistance/FF).
we need to resist.
Don't know what we're resisting because Eggman hasn't conquered shit but we gotta resist anyway.
AOSTH and Sonic X did it right
Prime almost did but the STILL did the resistance shit
Ironically it was best done in Underground where it was a political struggle over a Star Wars story.
So how long until IDW dies?
They said they have funds to last them for a year so either at the end of 2023 or early 2024.
Not soon enough
depends on how the Last Ronin game turns out
Oh
>Half a decade later.
>Still written like a Forrces spinoff comic with a Buddy stand-in (whisper) and the "resistance/restoration" keeping us cooped up in these animal cities thst didn't even exist in other games.
>Wanting the story to move past Forces
>Frontiers is Flynn wankfest of a story sans the crying lesbians
Anything is better than focusing on slightly elevated background characters who are still using wispons.
I'm just saying that with where the games are at now, instead of getting more Sonic we'd instead get "scifi marathon with water people and their transhumanist digitalized world finding peace before returning to some kind of god that may or may not still exist."
>Replying to the crying criticism
I think it's gotten bad as well. I think the core problem is that Flynn or Stanley want to evoke emotional investment from readers to these characters but crying lesbians are their only trick. This is where being a mediocre writer really stands out. They keep hitting that crying lesbian button to try and make you care because they are not good enough to write more compellingly.
the problem with the comic is that it tries too hard. is it possible to make every character a "crying lesbian"? because IDW Sonic did it somehow.
That is what I said. Making people cry all the time is trying too hard, especially when its cartoon videogame characters
The biggest problem is that half the time the crying is out of nowhere and not earned.
The zombot arc may have been shit, but sure, I can buy characters crying when they're seeing their friends and family get turned into mindless robots right in front of them. But like, remember the last issue? Whisper suddenly crying just because she was wrong about the guy being the mimic in disguise (note: she was not wrong)? That shit's dumb.
it's worst because literally everything was whisper's fault in that scenario
Millennial writing mandates that everything must be both self aware but at the same time "relatable".
This is honestly what doomed the comic. It made the writers think they could approximate mobian civilization from Archie. Without it then would be forced to be more creative or not plant the characters at points of interest.
the cities exist in the games, they were just filled with humans and GUN is the ironic part. Everyone turned into an animal
If they actually explained some disease turned everyone into a furry I would be fine with it. But as far as we know these are separate cities yet don't coexist in any game, so there's a lot of missing pieces to the puzzle.
they do though. The most common city they're in is Central City. In the games it was filled with humans and GUN and no furries. In IDW it's filled with furries and no humans and no GUN
Oh I thought you meant from game to game.
That's just the comic being inconsistent with its own lore source.
And what’s so wrong with that by default? I like to think of Archie and an alternate continuity. As long as it’s not being forced into the main canon, I don’t see an issue with Archie existing under the premise of it being its own thing. Leaves room for a lot of creativity. It’s one of the reasons why I love those comics despite its shitty writing moments.
There's nothing wrong with it it's SUPPOSED to be an alternate continuity and you're willing to give new context to shit like Gun and Maria.
>If they actually explained some disease turned everyone into a furry I would be fine with it.
That’s how DBZ Kakarot explained the animal people. They were humans who took drugs that turned them into animals.
I still don’t get why they never moved from Forces setting. Frontiers is more well received, why don’t they adapted things from it instead?
Because the game wasn’t technically finished. There were still updates to the game that changes the story. I suppose the new ending where Sage never dies is the new canon.
I still don’t understand why they went so hard on Forces but never touched Infinite. The comic is really hurting for competent villains yet Ian brought back the fricking Zeti over him.
The classic comics they make seem to do a better job at being a convincing adaptation of Sonic and his world.
Apparently, Ian doesn’t like to do them.
Source?
Is there really trans stuff in the IDW comic?
There are some trans characters running the Chao races. Based on Evan's friends.
It's IDW. It's practically a contractual obligation.
Thread should've ended here.
>the best parts of IDW are the short stories that last an issue or two
>the worst parts of IDW are the long overarching stories
>the best parts of IDW feature rough and tumble
>the worst parts of IDW feature tangle, whisper and belle
>rough and tumble are often in the shortest stories while the girls are often in the longest ones
This is the most frustrating thing about it, they already have the winning formula but keep choosing to ignore it. Just little fun comedy adventures with the occasional big plot to see characters come together is all we need, not some overly drawn out drama about teenage animals sobbing all the time. They should have been the main OCs instead of the crying lesbian friends.
I love those stinky men
They are starting to do more of that they just feel compelled to shove in a restoration storyline alongside it.
Left side unironically types like the right
But no, it’s not a bad idea. Explains who cleans up the messes and gives regular mobians some drive to protect themselves when others aren’t around
Regular mobians aren't good for anything besides extra furbait
I feel like the left would be crying given how IDW threads go. The right is eating up everything that comes out.
I'm so glad we know who cleans up the messes In these animal populated cities that didn't exist before 2017. Really answers so many questions we've had for so long. What a treat.
I mean, eggman attacks the animals a lot more than anyone else so having that organization makes sense
Yeah but there's a specific distinction between regular animals Eggman terrorizes (ones used in robots) and main characters in Sonic. Hell exploring that distinction would be more interesting than learning about who pumps the tires on the batmobile for an entire story arc.
By animals, I meant the animal people, mobian a, etc. he just likes fricking up their shit a lot.
Well no, he's only really fricked with them in Force's story, because they didn't exist as a independent populace before that, outside of ancient Echidnas Eggman never met. Before it was regular animals (most 2D games) and human civilians (SA1, SA2, 06, Unleashed Etc.)
That's why IDW comes off as pigeonholed to the setting of one game that was in itself and outlier in the series.
It's just an established thing now and kinda silly to think sonic and friends were the only ones.
That's not what I'm contesting. I'm pointing out this weird assumption you made that Eggman specifically singles out "mobians" when it's never been the case before Forces. It's been regular people and regular animals, unless his ire is specifically aimed at a main character.
Oh ok.
>and gives regular mobians some drive to protect themselves when others aren’t around
Except they never do this, because the whole shitty “organisation” is pacifistic
There’s nothing even inside the place, it’s just an enpty shopping mall promenade
But they made a strike force later with the diamond cutters tho
>strike force
>it’s just Tangle and Whisper being bossed around by a self-important sheep
Aka it’s just 3 shitty lesbians who taped themselves onto the refular heroes who fight Eggman anyway
They’re literally no different
It can exist as an entity that occasionally shows up like G.U.N. not a constant focus.
With the way people tried to force drama over the fact that Whisper got slapped by the person she literally assaulted and was still hanging onto after getting slapped, I've lost all care for any criticism for the comic. It's still shit, don't like it myself, but it's clear most of the conversation against it will be filled with people desperate to do anything possible to make it look bad.
Which is absolutely ridiculous because the shit they did to Silver directly after was absolutely unforgiveable from a writing standpoint, but that didn't get pushed onto multiple boards and like they did 1 page of Crying Lesbian vs b***h Sheep.
>she literally assaulted
touch someone's arm while moving them out the way = assault and a reason to throw them onto the ground in the desperate minds of IDWgays
You're right, it's not assault: if you touch someone, it actually becomes assault AND battery.
>touch someone
She was still holding on AFTER she was smacked away, speedreader-kun. You don't get to grab people and force them around but then act like she was just trying to move on by.
Exactly. Like I said myself, what happened directly afterwards to Silver was some of the absolute most moronic shit ever. Whisper immediately heelturns on her conviction because Mimic allows himself to be hurt, Whisper gets fukken babied even though she was the one who put things into motion, and everyone--even the wisps--talk to and look at Silver like he's a pile of shit that just got done taking a hammer to the maternity ward. The fact that people instead focus on the slap instead of the actual ridiculousness right after shows that a good chunk of people are just really hoping to find any excuse to complain about the Crying Lesbian and Restoration before anything else. It's making a mountain out of a molehill while a volcano is going off 5ft to the right.
Are you seriously defending the heavy focus on the Restoration?
No, it's just that you're a mong and see anything less than being willing to make up bullshit to continue try to garner negative public sentiment as being a fanboy of them.
And it's just all so poorly written. It'd be ridiculous to do regardless of execution, but if they really wanted to go this series of events, then they should've had Whisper go to greater extents (especially since she hyped up here """"hunt""""), make it actually become negligent for Silver not to question going along with it, have Mimic get actually hurt instead of just a 3ft drop (although I presume he did shapeshift a fake fracture, seeing how him moving it afterwards is a secret instead of it just being merely-sprained), and give Whisper punishment beyond just "well you ARE the team moron, so I guess what can I expect"
It all encapsulates IDW's terrible pacing, ridiculous characterization, squandering of franchise characters, and a load of other nonsense that STILL PAINTS THE RESTORATION AND WHISPER IN A BAD, moronic LIGHT THAT JUSTIFIES HATING THEM
and yet people focus on the SLAP????
i've seen people damage control and say "ACTUALLY SHE KNOWS ITS HIM!!", as if that makes her look any less like a moron in this scenario, or not a b***h for making Silver take the fall.
She got herself in a fight with Lanolin, got a useful asset like Silver to frick off when he could be vital when the next threat arrives, the whole Restoration is now convinced she's delusional and can't be trusted, Mimic/Duo has all suspiscion cleared from him AND promoted.
only a coddled homosexual like you could possibly equate someone touching your arm while moving past you to a good reason to attack them. Lanolin was a fricking vainglorious moron demanding Whisper has to beg her for permission before interrogating someone for info, or that Lanolin that smack them around specifically for trying to ask them questions (which is the actual stated reason she threw Whisper onto the floor, not because "she hecking touched muh arm I'm being assaulted!!!"
grabbing someone's arm, especially when they're telling you to not proceed, is grounds for retaliation. Especially since for all they know, you're going to hurt someone innocent.
Atleast Lanolin didn't wham Silver, good lord imagine the reaction to THAT...
That whole issue was forced as hell honestly
It most certainly is not you coddled gay. Lanolin has no right to boss Whisper around on what she can and can't do, especially when they were literally just going to ask him questions and Whisper is lightyears more qualified than the big-headed sheep, and touching someone's arm lightly in just moving past them is no grounds for starting an actual fight with actual risk of injury.
What's more, she threw Whisper to the ground because in her very own words, she did it to stop her interrogating the obvious suspect BECAUSE she was butthurt Whisper didn't ask her for permission first.
Lanolin was a vain gay who was throwing a tantrum noone respected her as the leader and begged her for permission, and threw Whisper to the ground starting a fight over the fact Whisper tried to ask mimic questions, not because Whisper topuched her arm and she's a little autistic zoomerbaby like you.
>touching your arm
You touch me, I push you back
You fricking grab my arm and force it out of the way, holy frick you've got some gall to call anyone else coddled if you think you're not gonna get smacked for that.
AND SHE WAS STILL HOLDING ON AFTERWARDS
b***h GOT THE DEATH GRIP AND YOU KEEP SAYING SHE WAS JUST """TOUCHING"""
SHE TOOK A DIVE AND WAS STILL HANGING ON
noone but little zoomer homosexuals like you who freak out and have panic attacks at any physical contact are that overdramatic. If you're blocking the way, and someone peacefully moves past you, then you literally throw them to the floor. You were the instigator, and what they did in zero way threatens you with any harm or violence. What you do to them threatens them with violence
Anon, you are beyond moronic, and the only solace that anyone can take from having interacted with you is that, if you seriously think grabbing someone and forcing them aside is "just moving past," you're either
A) Gonna get your block knocked off for being a socially maladjusted moron that does that to someone
B) You're gonna get yourself molested because you let people run their hands all up and down you without letting go
Either way, the universe will eventually provide, we can only hope to god it's soon.
we both know he's a pussy who's never been in a fight irl, thats why something as basic as personal space eludes him.
Nah I wouldn't reduce it down to personal space. Like yeah you're already gonna be on thin fukken ice if you get up in someone's face and touch them, but that just feeds into his delusional idea that Whisper was just trying to move on by after being blocked. She was gripping on that Sheep b***h like nothing else. If you get your block knocked and you still grippin, then you came to do some bullshit and are far beyond just trying to squeeze on past.
The slap masks the actual issue, that being Whisper was in the wrong here and yet it was Silver who suffered the consequences. He wouldn't have jumped to conclusions if she didn't intervene and convinced him that it was Mimic without being sure herself.
Whisper was in the wrong...for wanting to ask questions of the person she (the most qualified person alive on earth) suspected to be Mimic?
Because she didn't beg Lanolin for permission first? Like frick she has to do that, frick Lanolin.
IDW is written like shit, who knew
also tangle, the other person who's familiar with Mimic and even helped get him captured once, wasn't even aware of what was going on the whole time
Trying to attack, there is zero hint or reason for u to say she was trying to ask a question. Especially when questions are verabl, fricking dumbass, reminder verbal questions dont require u to get close
trying to interrogate. Nowhere does she or he attack him. When they catch him they literally sit him on a chair and ask him verbal questions and he fakes falling just to fake an injury.
No, but crying lesbians are
"Uuuuuu Tangle I'm so sad, let's cry while making out"
So is the next comic going to be a post Sonic Frontiers comic that only focuses on Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy? Sega's pushing that a lot these days.
>Becomes completely pointless
I dont see anyone ever talk about her anymore, or make art.
Hell, belle gets more art than her
Why do she and Charmy have noses?
Because they’re not the actual animals. They’re a separate race of people who coexist with regular humans and regular animals.
How else would they smell the honey?
She's not interesting as a leader. She's more like a supportive secretary and hasn't done anything in a while because she has no military input.
I don't hate her, so she's got that going for her
being a background character with a decent role is better than forcibly showing up to do the same things game characters do but worse than start crying like the other girl OCs do
Does israeliteel have skin or fur?
She's a paper-pusher. A secretary. Someone who greases the wheels and keeps everything running smoothly. It's not a glorious job, but a necessary one. And it also keeps Amy and Knuckles from needing to fill in that role cause they suck at it.
What boy is gonna wanna read the Steven Universe shit in this book? Boys want cool stylish action. They don’t want the girly crying shit.
Damn IDW really is just steven universe
And not even the gem lore episodes its the shitty towny episodes
IDW Silver>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Game Shitver
Middle right is from Archie
Evan draws him on model now
Sega probably got tired of her shit.
Yeah but he's still written as some useless soft uwu gayboy who needs help from a stronk independent lesbian womyn.
>Boys want cool stylish action. They don’t want the girly crying shit.
Imagine thinking boys are the majority of the Sonic fandom.
Where do you think you are? 2001?
Steven Universe has better action than Amphibia, Owl House, Gravity Falls and SVTFOE combined.
IDW can't die soon enough.
In its current form, the Restoration is basically just an extension of the Resistance from Sonic Forces, which itself was a diet version of the Freedom Fighters from Archie and Fleetway, except even those three had grounding in that they were movements formed to fight Eggman, whose Empire was something resembling an actual empire in those cases. The Restoration is about cleaning up everything after the events of Forces, but Forces didn't really do anything with its environments that would be interesting to see.
Ideally, the Restoration would basically be an excuse for a world tour ala Archie's Shattered World Crisis before moving on to something else.
IDW as a whole sucks, but i like Surge and Kit. Those two are the only only reason i read IDW.
This but also Rough and Tumble
Rough and Tumble are meme characters. They're not bad, but they can't hold a plot. Surge would have been interesting if she was done by competent writers in a story without a kajilion mandates.
True
>without a kajilion mandates
The mandates aren't even bad. They're the standard shit for licensed material. They're necessary to keep the world and characters on-brand.
>The mandates aren't even bad.
Yes they are.
It's one thing to ask for stuff like not blatantly changing the characters or injecting it with shiphomosexualry, but then you have the stuff that makes it impossible to tell a story like how you can't even show heavy injuries or anything 'violent' (as if anyone reading this comic is a kid lmao) - look at the Surge vs Whisper fight, Surge literally curb stomps Whisper and she's completely fine, no signs of damage, just a little scuff and she's completely a-okay a few pages later.
Then you have really stupid stuff like "Money doesn't exist" or "Team Dark actually never existed"
Sonic is an IP aimed primarily at children. This extends to the license comic also being aimed primarily at children.
>Then you have really stupid stuff like "Money doesn't exist"
It does. It's mentioned in Vector's bio. They're just trying to figure out if rings are the currency or not.
>"Team Dark actually never existed"
They're allies, but not an actual team.
>Sonic is an IP aimed primarily at children
I'm pretty sure the average Sonic fan is over 30 and obese. When's the last time you've seen a kid play a Sonic game? Anyone?
Sure they may have liked the movies, but then what?
PS: crossovers with Mario don't count.
>Sonic is an IP aimed primarily at children.
Well then maybe they should stop aiming like fricking garbage because if you think the people reading the IDW comic are children you must be blind.
>It does.
Not anymore. Does it make sense? No, but apparently it's a mandate now. No money in stories.
>They're allies, but not an actual team.
What the frick is the difference? What, does Shadow have to act like some stupid bootleg of namek arc vegeta all the goddamn time?
>caring about being "on brand" over telling a good story
That's how slop gets made. Only unpopular forgettable slop that nobody enjoys can come from corpo shit.
Dude, frick off with the pretentious shit. It's fricking Sonic.
>durrrr its slopnic, Sonic SHOULD be slop
Frick off and die you dumb c**t
Are you implying Flynn and co care about telling a good story? How the frick can you think that after looking at the melodramatic trainwreck that is Frontiers?
>The mandates aren't even bad.
Not only are they bad for IDW but they were bad for Sonic Boom writers to the point they didn't want to bother using Big the Cat. Writing Shadow was another problem for both Sonic Boom and Sonic Prime.
They're not a problem if you actually have the skill to write within their specifications.
On paper most of them wouldn't be too bad it's just that Iizuka and the suits at Sega are hyper autistic about their enforcement.
>Iizuka and the suits at Sega are hyper autistic about their enforcement.
They're Japanese. Nintendo's the exact same way.
Nintendo don't make bullshit rules like "you can't give any background or sidecharacters names without going through a 6-month approval process with us to get that background character made sega-approved"
That's because there isn't a licensed Mario comic. If there was, the same shit would be happening. Most companies are very particular with how their characters should be portrayed. Especially if said character is their mascot. They don't want writers and artists going hog-wild with their bread and butter.
They most absolutely are fricking not. Especially not with comics.
Yes they are. It’s standard practice.
Care to list comics you know where they’re not allowed to create background characters without a months-long approval process just to get a name?
spoken like someone who just doesn't know what they're talking about, yes
Ian went on record saying Nintendo would've been worse with mandates than Sega.
No shit. What we have rn would be complete creative compared to what Nintendo would allow.
This, Archie twisted Sonic's character's outside out with the romance shit and everything else.
They are unfortunately getting shacked to the Restoration.
Did you guys forget that Sega has IDW under contract saying they can't go deep into characterization? Sonic can't ever go into too strong emotion. That was one of the deals they had?
Alright, then focus on the action. People aren't looking to Sonic for melodrama bullshit. They want him to do cool shit fighting the bad guys.
>People aren't looking to Sonic for melodrama bullshit. They want him to do cool shit fighting the bad guys.
That shit already gets old as an a bi-annual video game series.
How do the frick do you expect this to last as a monthly comic book?
>Sonic can't ever go into too strong emotion
As in he can't cry like a b***h. Yeah, no shit. Dude's supposed to be calm, cool and collected. Him losing his cool would be off-brand for him.
This cope for idw is off the charts
Supposedly
>the Restoration
Come again?
In Forces Eggman conquered the planet and razed everything to the ground. Those who didn't like him banded together into the Resistance. After Eggman was defeated the Resistance reformed into the Restoration, dedicated now to rebuilding civilization, getting the people jobs, and training guards, as well as employing agents to stop whatever evil faction pops their head up now and then, including Eggman.
>the Resistance
>the Restoration
About as stupid as nuStar Wars, I see.
It's whatever. The Resistance was founded by Knuckles, but after Eggman was defeated he returned to Angel Island and left everyone to their own devices. Amy then took over, not wanting to see that level of coordination go to waste. However, she's terrible at managing and hated the role, and continued to look for a replacement among the Restorationists. She found it in israeliteel the Beetle, who used to be a museum curator before Amy gave her the job. israeliteel's good at organizing people and things, so she's now sort of the de-facto ruler of the animal civilization, since the Restoration supports all the rebuilt towns and cities.
While Sonic does his own thing, he tends to take missions from the Restoration since most of his friends work there now.
Easy Aspie!
Is anon really upset that Antoine is canonically a chad? Definitely has a "this character cucked me and ruined my fantasies" vibe going on here.
Yes, you sure did point out that you never read the comics and made yourself look like a deranged weirdo.
I described every single comic event they went through in order
You sure did point out you have no rebuttal, or example of anything he did in those events, because the reality that Antoine was pathetic all through Ian's run displeases your sad internal narrative
>lists off a bunch of events in the comics like you're reading a wiki page and claims incorrectly that Antoine didn't do anything during them
I, or anyone else, am supposed to take this seriously.
Its like if I claim that Goku doesn't do anything in Dragon Ball Z and just list off a bunch of chapters, I'll look like a moron.
>claims incorrectly
I claimed correctly, and you still have not listed what Antoine actually did during them, which should be easy if he actually did anything (he didn't)
Feel free
to keep crying like a b***h without listing any examples. I'm sure everyone in this thread will be convinced archieshit was actually good if you keep bawling without real counterpoint.
You're making an assertion, you have a job to prove it. Listing off a bunch of events and then lying about them isn't proving anything, it just makes you look like a moron to people who have actually read the comic.
You can't prove a negative moron, am I supposed to show panels of a character not being in the panel?
Ok let's go through how they attacked Eggman:
Sally led the charge
Tails disabled their weapons
Sonic baited the Egg Phoenix into a trap with help from his flying friends (no help from Antoine)
Sonic fought the Egg Tarantula
Eggman is defeated
No Antoine
How they escaped the Egg Grapes:
Knuckles and Amy freed everyone
Nicole hacked Eggman's computer
Nicole reprogrammed them to send them to Mobotropolis
Sonic baited Eggman into teleporting them there
Knuckles and Vector and Mighty and Bunnie beat the Egg Beater
No Antoine
Because Antoine doesn't contribute in any of these stories
Noone is "lying" just because you don't like reality you pathetic archie manbaby holy shit
and this is now the 5th time you've yet to provide any examples of Antoine doing shit
I had no idea Archiegays are so pathetic they have to lie to themselves about their own trash fanfic
>I had no idea Archiegays are so pathetic they have to lie to themselves about their own trash fanfic
You should've. Literally 90% of what they like about archie is just made-up shit inside their own head. Same goes for Ian.
>non-reader moron still resorting to posting wiki summaries and expects people who read the comic to take them seriously
Why yes, plot summaries generally won't include minor events like a Freedom Fighter destroying a badnik or being part of the team to help, but Flynn made sure to consistently write Antoine and all the Freedom Fighrters into plots even when he didn't have a big role for them.
>this is the point where you reveal that in the over 100 issues in the Flynn run including Sonic Universe that there are some plots and events that didn't have him
Oh my god really?! Wow, "Character X" wasn't written like some kind of Poochie and included in every scene and when not in scenes the other character weren't asking where they were? Oh my gosh they were irrelevant!
You should stick to making malding bait threads to shit up the archives.
>or being part of the team to help
That’s the point you’re desperately ig oring like a seething gay.
Antoine doesn’t help in any of them, and you have yet to list anywhere in the stories he helps.
I’ve listed how he does not help or contribute to any of the major events. You’ve listed absolutely nowhere he was contributing anything.
>that there are some plots and events that didn't have him
Oh yeah just “some plots and events” he did nothing on. Totally not the years-long running storyline of the main comics as they go from fighting Eggman to fighting the Iron Dominion to defending Mobotropolis
Just that totally small sporadic storyline that he did absolutely fricking nothing in, and that you for the 6th consecutive post have failed to list a single action he contributed.
Since you’re a seething nostalgic archie manbaby.
Not my job to educate or spoonfeed you gay.
You alleged that a main character in the comic wasn't actually a main character in the comic because you're some weird cuckold fetish guy, and your proof was a bunch of stilted comic beats you stole from wiki plot sections.
You have successfully made yourself look insane and delusional, but that's a normal Tuesday for you isn't it.
>replying to anyone that uses the term Archiegay unironically
homie you're right but you're still shitting up the thread by replying to bait.
As opposed to your proof which…fricking nothing.
Because archiegays like yourself can’t provide evidence where they have non, only your own seething for hours over a shitty fanfic whose imagined plotbeats only exist in your head.
As you’ve proven, because you still haven’t listed anything Antoine actually did that entire time.
Archiegays are pathetic and delusional homosexuals anon don’t bother
They’re very literally just like Chris as you’ve seen. Reality doesn’t matter so long as they can shit their adult diapers and deny the real world
You want me to spoodfeed you a storytime of 100+ comics for a disingenuous cuck obsessed moron?
Keep saying what you're saying, it just makes you look deranged, like a mad man running into the ocean and screaming the water isn't wet.
But to be clear, it is seriously unhealthy how you're obsessing over Antoine like this and I hope you get help someday.
>Antione didn't do shit
>YES HE HAS SHIT UP
>prove it
>NO!
Why are sonicgays like this? Do you seriously think you came out this exchange looking like the sane one here? I was just lurking before this autistic slapfight and you ended up being so insufferable I just had to comment on it.
Holy shit, you were so malding over losing that exchange you had to samegay "uh not me, pinky promise' reply hours later.
Fricking hell
I remember when Flynn posted on Cinemaphile and confirmed to anon that Antoine was canonically the greatest lover on Mobius.
that's why Bunnie fricks other guys and Antoine has to suck Scourge's cum out her vajayjay
he's such a great lover Sonic and Scourge had to fill Bunnie with their backshots
Uh oh, looks like the Antoinegay is having a meltdown.
Are you upset that Sega disowned your husbando and you'll never see him again?
not a fantasy if it actually happened in the comic.
What a pathetic character made for and shilled by cucks. Archieshit not even once.
Can we at least admit that Antoine was done dirty by Penders and Bollers because of shit like that?
I don't think any Archie fan would deny that Antoine, Sally, Tails, Sonic, Rotor, Amy, basically every Sonic character that wasn't Knuckles and Ash were done dirty by Penders.
Sonic was done too good by Penders.
Fricking turned him into a vainglorious harem anime gay at every other characters’ expense.
I’ll never forget that awful plotline where Sonic’s suddenly a guitar prodigy and everyone in town gathers to fricking clap for him
>Sonic was done too good by Penders.
>Fricking turned him into a vainglorious harem anime gay at every other characters’ expense.
>canonically got cucked by a stinky rat
nah, Sonic was done very dirty by Penders
got cucked by a stinky rat
How so?
Geoffrey canonically had sex with Sally and Penders confirmed it word of god.
>and Penders confirmed it word of god.
That's not words of gods.
Word of gods is if Sega confirm it. What kind of complete moron are you?
When it come to licensed Intellectual Properties, nothing that isn't officially published is canon.
>the writer of the book didn't include hardcore graphic sex in his comic book, so the writers intentions are invalid
Ok Cope
Okay, pedo.
Bro, not only did Sonic get cucked by ol stinky Geoff, he got cucked by Scourge and Fiona mocked him for it.
Cucked by the guy that bottoms to evil Big the Cat.
“You will love the Penders”
“You will LOVE his idea about a 25 year old fricking a 16 year old”
“You WILL love cuck stories involving that said premise”
Ken, is that you?
>You will LOVE his idea about a 25 year old fricking a 16 year old
This is based as frick.
Wish other writers were this ballsy to write what the frick they want, you only get that in Japan now. Penders is an actual gigachad
Where do you think we are?
Geoffrey is based for smashing that hebe puss and Sonic’s a homosexual little cuck sucking his skunk cum out of her chipmunny
>>the writer of the book didn't include hardcore graphic sex
You know there is other way to communicate people had sex, right?
Anyway, it's not about what the author says, it's about what Sega say.
>>the writer of the book didn't include hardcore graphic sex in his comic book, so the writers intentions are invalid
Thank you for understanding. Glad we agree.
>Geoffrey canonically had sex with Sally
No, he didn't. Penders outright said that story wasn't told. And he said that after he was kicked out by Archie. Nothing he say after that can be considered canon.
Death of the Author. Now what, homosexual?
>Geoffrey canonically had sex
with Rotor!
That's how we know Rotor is gay :^)
No, Rotor had nasty old man gay sex with a wrinkled echidna nobody.
It didn’t happen in the comic, Ken tweeted this years later after he was no longer a writer.
His pedo nonsense simply never happened. The fact that you’re taking one of gross tweets as canon says a lot about you.
>the face that made one cuck anon go clinically insane
>the face that made one cuck
Antoine? He's the only factual cuckold itt
Enough about Antoine for a second, where's the humans in IDW?
We saw Sonic and Blaze fricking around in Spagonia yet not a single human to be seen. Why are they all anthros? Why's Eggman the token human?
Because Sega "doesn't want them to be seen yet". They do exist though.
Why did that stab a change when humans were there and in our faces as recent as Unleashed and GUN has shown up even more recently even if we didn't see a driver.
Because they only know retconned the "two worlds" thing and they're still sorting it out.
Now retconned.
Just make humans exist but they are cartoony and come in all shapes and sizes like Unleashed.
The two worlds and thing never existed in game canon. It was just spoken of behind the scenes. Humans lived in highly populated areas and animal people lived in rural locations as shown in Rush Adventure.
It wasn't an issue until Forces where we now imply cities are ONLY animal people and the human military no longer exists after being shown in detail in SA2 and many other games.
>Humans lived in highly populated areas and animal people lived in rural locations as shown in Rush Adventure.
???
Is it really another mandate thing? If so I guess it might have something to do with the current art style for humans
that's just her as a child you fricking morons
humans look like uekawa's always drawn them, like sonic x
>that's just her as a child
Literally nothing in the story implied this. It’s an artstyle change
She has a bust, that's a stylised adult Elyse.
Apparently, humans can show up in the book but Ian and the others don’t want them in. Evan also doesn’t want to draw them for some reason.
Source?
>Evan also doesn’t want to draw them for some reason.
Probably the artstyle
There was a Bumblecast from like a week ago where Ian said they weren't currently allowed to show humans. Visiting human cities is OK now, though, hence the Spagonia date.
Anon, you didn’t get the memo yet? Sega hates humans in Sonic stories now.
Good.
Then why did Sega greenlight 2 movies with mostly humans, with a third on the way?
They signed away all creative control when they drew up the contract.
They should do that more often.
Except we get mixed results sometimes. Like Penders.
There has to be some sort of sweet spot. Sega should let loose but also keep an eye on who’s writing and what they are writing so that things don’t get too wild or gross.
The comics are a different situation. Sega didn’t go to them, IDW went to Sega. IDW has to pay them a fee for the license to make Sonic comics.
Tailstube says otherwise.
Where the frick are all the humans then in everything else
homie the islander lore dump still doesn't explain why we don't see humans when they go to human countries.
Humans and Islanders(Sonic’s people) coexist in the same world. Humans live on the mainlands, while Islanders originate from the islands.
Two worlds
IDW's fricking boring and Ian's a terrible writer. Put in Katella and Tanaka as Eggman's rivals with their series' robots (katella's aosth and tanaka's sonic x) and it'll be fun again
Sadly, Ian still seems to be the most competent writer around despite falling off.
We're still jumping through autistic hoops just to get Sticks in the mainline canon. Good luck getting characters from X and AOSTH.
It’s not so much jumping through hoops anymore if Sonic straight up mentions her in the most recent Sonic game.
Ian still won't put her in the comics because Sega won't let him enact his plans
Hey at least cosmo got some cameos and Easter eggs in mobile shit which is more then anything aosth is ever getting kek
Really?
Some shit about her in tails basement apparently
So how come DC can do cool funny shit with their characters but Sonic can't?
DC likes their characters.
Sega makes Sonic stuff only out of obligation.
Why do you think Sonic Prime is such dogshit no one fricking talks about it anon?
>let's copy marvels multiverse shit
>in the worst fricking way possible
>also no alternate sonic's because frick you that's why
You should have made Antoine OP
This chad is is so chadly he is going to make you go insane.
fans should stop pretending they actually care for humans and not just the furries.
No, I want to see Sonic sucking face with Princess Elise, unironically.
Sonic and co. interacting with humans is always great as long as Sonic's still the main character.
How long until today's ride?
about 3 hours
>It appears moi superiority has caused some controversy
He's naked
Written like a true amerimutt larping as a frenchCHAD.
I do hate to break it to you but Antoine had already broken up with Bunnie when Scourge tried to date her, sorry if I'm ruining your gross cuck fantasy fap right now
Doing god’s work Anon, you’ve blueballed him
“Honey I think we should go on a break so I can go have sex with other guys”
“I’ll settle down withh you once I’m off the wiener carousel m’kay?”
Tale as old as time. What a fricking cuck
>“Honey I think we should go on a break so I can go have sex with other guys”
>“I’ll settle down withh you once I’m off the wiener carousel m’kay?”
Good thing that's not what actually happened, then.
It is what happened. “Antoine” (Patch in disguise) broke up with her and then Bunnie immediately let Scourge and Sonic frick her in the woods
And then on his daddy’s deathbed she told real Antoine she let Sonic bang her and he said “I don’t care you’re Sonic’s bawd I’m a little cuck who wants his used goods anyway”
And she never even told him she fricked Scourge lmao
>It is what happened. “Antoine” (Patch in disguise) broke up with her
Son it's actually not
>>“Honey I think we should go on a break so I can go have sex with other guys”
That happened, then.
>and then Bunnie immediately let Scourge and Sonic frick her in the woods
Pretty sure Sonic didn't have sex with Bunnie.
That's not what cucking is.
>Pretty sure Sonic didn't have sex with Bunnie
He did. Both Scourge and Sonic fricked her on different occasions behind Antoine the betacuck’s back
Why does Sonic look like an aborted fetus?
Archieshit art
>Both Scourge and Sonic fricked her
Again, there is no indication of sex.
And cuking require the partner cheating, which didn't happen.
There is. They literally “slept together” in the woods.
And Antoine’s a cuck because his wife fricks other guys. I don’t care about your terminology, Antoine is king of cucks and his wife is a town bicycle
Its funny, the word of god was that nothing happened between Scourge and Bunnie, as opposed to the word of god confirming that Sonic was cleaning up the stinky skunks' loads for the princess.
>the word of god was that nothing happened between Scourge and Bunnie
It’s not though. Literally zero source
>as opposed to the word of god confirming that Sonic was cleaning up the stinky skunks' loads for the princess.
Neither Sega nor Archie Publishing ever stated that, so no word of god, there.
>Geoffrey nailing Sally before Sonic.
Wasnt that what Penders was planning if he hadn't been fired?
>the characterizations are inaccurate
Not since Frontiers :^)
The one thing I will not miss about Archie was all the relationship drama shit.
Maybe if Cinemaphile hadn't poisoned the brains of a generation of men into thinking that women are property and if they so much as look at another man before getting married they're a dirty prostitute and the man is a cuck the discourse around it wouldn't be so fricking annoying, but we don't live in that world.
Yeahhhh, romance was definitely not the comic’s greatest strengths. I mean, we did get really nice moments between Sonic and Sally at the very least, but then you remember all the garbage at the same time.
Ok Antoine keep telling yourself Bunnie’s “your girl” whole she’s whoring herself out to Sonic
He's a chad
Chad’s don’t get cucked by other guys. Antoine’s a cuck
>if Cinemaphile hadn't poisoned the brains of a generation of men into thinking that women are property
Oh yeah, Cinemaphile did this. Totally.
Isn’t it interesting how every time Sonic makes a comic it’s fricking DOGSHIT?
I seriously think Archie Sonic is a contendor for the worst comic series ever made in history
No, frick you. Archie has shit writing in it but if it weren’t for its existence, we wouldn’t have moments like this:
Hahahhahahahahahaa wtf
Somehow not the worst thing I’ve seen from archie
Sonic has also dreamt of marrying Knuckles
I like Surge
Why the frick is Archie's art? It looks like dogshit, the artists couldn't draw furries for shit lmao.
At least Fleetway looks good, not that unappealing.
Fleetway looks fricking beautiful at times, like a Frank Franzetta painting
Archie at its best is ugly-mediocre and at normal is fricking dogshit
>Fleetway looks good
>Posts an early issue
At least the art evolved, Archie looked like shit several years into it's run, in fact I'd say it devolved in quality from its earliest books.
Evolution is racist
Anon, just let me be a cheeky c**t, will ya?
I like STC but elson's stiff poses hurt it.
>Archie looked like shit several years into it's run
And it also looked great early on, and for the last decade of its run.
Hell, even during the shit early 2000s era with the infamous bad art, they had great artists like Axer, Butler, Spaz and Gray providing consistently good art
Live and Learn
I like that you can just barely make out Mark Millar's name in the corner kek
When's Fleetway sonic gonna show up in big Game?
>posting the guy who fricked Bunnie’s puss while Antoine was listening at the door
lol
You really shouldn’t be a Sonicgay if you’re this much of a twitter b***h about ages. This series is based on Dragonball you know
This isn’t about canon ages. Frick that, Sonic and his buddies save for tails are adults to me. And you know this is not what I’m talking about. Ken Penders, specifically wanted a 25 year old (Geoffrey) to frick a 16 year old (Sally).
If you can’t see the issue you are either a fricking moron or a creep as well that’s doing a bad job at hiding it.
Except Sonic was not that much older than Amy at the start…
Huge difference. You are not doing a great job at deflecting away from the fact that you are a weirdo.
Supposedly
Go back to twitter you bootlicking crybaby
When was Amy 8?
Classic Sonic? Bro you don’t know that?
>specifically wanted a 25 year old (Geoffrey) to frick a 16 year old (Sally)
Based as frick. Thank god we don’t have moral panic bootlickers like you writing anything
You’re the same kind of person who calls queer people child rapists, only to to turn around and want to do that yourself.
nta but the classic design that was originally introduced in the games was eight. They bumped her age up to twelve when she was redesigned.
lol, its all coming clear here, the cuckgay angry that Antoine is considered a chad by Archie fans is malding over Sonic canonically being a cuck to Geoff
>is malding over Sonic canonically being a cuck to Geoff
Still no source for that.
Little tip: some twitter post by an ex-writer done after he was kicked out of Archie comic is not what is considered "canon".
Especially when that very source outright said it didn't happen.
He said it did happen, check the tense.
Geoffrey WAS faster. Full Stop. Geoffrey FRICKED her lmaoooo
>He said it did happen
Literally said the opposite. Said this story wsn't told. therefore, not canon.
>Geoffrey WAS faster
"in that department", not Sally specifically.
Also, not canon because not published in the comic.
Keep coping.
That department is referring to taking Sally’s virginity
Which the writer himself said happened
Unless contradicted by sega or any other writer (it has not been), it remains canon Word of God that Geoffrey WAS the one who fricked Sally.
>Word of God
Death of the Author
Keep screeching into the void.
They don’t recognize death of the author in this case because they need a 25 year old to frick a 16 year old, it’s what gets them off.
Well my apologies then. In that case, that’s bad as well. I’m not going to take sides here. Good thing ages are canon anymore, I view Sonic and most of his friends as adults now anyway.
Doesn’t excuse the fact that Ken specifically wanted a 16 year old to be fricked by a 25 year old. That’s still arguably worse. And still gross.
You can’t go “durrr your argument is unclad because x bad thing happened before”.
You’re just a creep, lol
So anon (you) are now the lead writer for IDW with paramount level mandates.
What do you do to improve IDW?
I make the book about fighting gays rather than crying lesbians.
So... Kinnikuman then?
Yeah sure
Thing is, at this point, it was just a one-sided crush from a girl and sonic responded to it appropriately by not reciprocating. So, no wrong doing, there.
the same can not be said about Geoffroy.
Pedos won’t understand this logic, unfortunately.
>sonic when his children are obliterated from the timeline and Chadow canonically marries his queen
I haven’t said a single word about Antoine except these two posts.
The earlier one being an obvious bait post which started all of this bickering.
...
>fricked Antoine’s wife
>got cucked by Geoff, Shadow, Scourge and even Ash fricking Moongoose
And Patch. By this guys standards any character two characters that are in a room together is somehow cucking, so Patch almost marrying Sally has to count since you can infer as much bullshit degenerate fanfiction that happened off panel you want like like he does with the Scourge Bunnie tree thing.
For real. They need to go back to twitter and be around their own self-mutilated kind
The canon Top 3 best husbandos in Sonic fiction.
>no knuckles
Shadow's too morally depraved to be a husbando. Just look at this horrific statement.
He's also racist
This is what “”“people””” like you always say, then comes the news report about a weeb who gets caught kidnapping a kid to make them an irl e-girl. Many such cases.
You will never be not malding, you will never stop seething that SEGA approved every last panel of Archie comics, and you will never stop making seething threads for our entertainment whining about Archiegays.
Egad
Almost
I like Surge, seeing her get bullied and fail at everything makes me hard.
I love Sonic, and I love Antoine. They should have kissed each other more in the comics.
antoine more like antwink
heh
Funny how the janny watches the other sonic thread like a hawk but not this one
Maybe they are the same poster afterall
SEX IN MINECRAAAAAFT
What?
Can Sonic be trusted around children?
This thread really went to shit
School let out for the IDWbabs
My fault, sorry.
>My fault, sorry.
Supposedly
Archie was at its best with Universe and the Reboot when it was delivering short multi-part, mostly self contained adventure stories.
IDW needs more stuff like that, they got it right with Scrapnik Island
It was cool
It's outstayed it's welcome
Why is it Cream attracts the worst posters, can't she just be Tails' girlfriend in peace?
Pedos. That’s why.
Unfortunately we don't have a way to wipe out every pedo on the planet.
I feel sorry for actual Sage fans
creamgay is a notorious alcoholic loser who shitposts on anything sonic related
It persists
Cream isnt tails girlfriend. She doesnt even like him that much.
Her name is literally Cream The Rabbit, she was made for lewding.
How you gonna be like that when you're not wearing pants?
Remind me again of which book has canon /ss/
wew
she was only supposed to be around zooey's height, but the artist drew her as a teenager instead.
Not Archie?
Ian "fat gay frick" Flynn got so triggered by that one panel he threw a rant saying he's gonna make Tails and Barby "dead and buried", then paired Barby up with his ugly platypus self-insert and used age difference as an excuse to write an entire arc about making Tails into Sonic's cuck.
Any self-respecting /ss/gay should and would recognise Archie as the disgusting cuckold TRASH for homosexuals that it is. Absolutely disgraceful, I wouldn't wipe my ass with with homosexual book.
wtf?
Frick Ian. Seriously.
He's the reason archie was garbage, and now the reason idw is also garbage.
Getting rid of Barby was just icing on the cake of the turds he did.
>He's the reason archie was garbage
Gabrie and Penders did far more damage to the book
Imagine having the autistic power to longterm affect the reputation and writing quality of not just one long running franchise comic, but two. I'll give Penders some credit in that we're never gonna forget him for sure.
Are you kidding? Penders affected all of sega, and all of fricking Japan's willingness to licence their shit out.
Sega yes, the rest of Japan no, Archie Sonic was by far the only example of western companies fricking up a Japanese property.
Barbie is for Mighty
disgusting
If Ian hates /ss/ why isn't he constantly shitting on rouge x tails fans?
people like this should not be given work.
If you hate the goddamn source material so much, go find some other source material instead of ruining someone else's work.
Sonic is all Ian can do. If any other opportunity came up, it would jump ship in a heartbeat.
What about that comic with the airships. Ian sure didnt drop his bags to focus on that.
Wasn’t there a thing where someone pointed out what not to do in a comic and it was one of Ian’s stuff?
>If you hate the goddamn source material so much, go find some other source material instead of ruining someone else's work
It's incredible how this exact problem has fricked so many different comics up the ass.
Guy who doesn't like Spider-Man growing up and getting married. Hired to write Spider-man
Guy who doesn't like Superman's son being a cute boy and crushing on girls. Hired to write Superman's son.
Guy who doesn't like Batman and Joker writing a Batman and Joker miniseries. Hired to write Batman and Joker.
Guy who doesn't like Watchmen. Hired to write Watchmen sequel.
Because they're all nepotism hires
You forgot the most legendary one
"I hate that this strong powerful woman got overpowered and raped by a man, so now there was no rape she cheated on her husband with the villain willingly"
>and then she killed to hide it instead of it being out of revenge
>also now she whines about how hard it is to be a woman
It was only ever Ian who hated it so much, rest of the Archie fans didn’t care.
If they did that in IDW, IDWgays would be calling for the execution of the writer and try to get them blacklisted and cancelled lol
Archie was pretty cool at times.
I can't get over how she looks like Kimba
IDW fanbase overlaps with garbage like The Owl House and Amphibia.
Most Archiebros are too old for that shit
ick
Antoine was based. He had a cool sword and a hot cyborg wife
tails and his older tomboy wives
Lucky him
>getting mad ian denying their /ss/ bait
lol at tailsgays
He never shot down Rails
I'll always have Rails
is Sonic the most cursed franchise?
>undertale
>poni
>homestuck
>loud house
>steven universe
No
Of those properties, only Homestuck ever shitted the bed on the level as Sonic The Hedgehog. Like, what makes Undertale as bad as '06 or Rise Of Lyric? Casualnigs being floored by the pacifism? The gay little goat in the spin-off?
The thing about MLP is that it's cringe fandom is balanced by the fact that it's definitely the most productive fandom of it's size. It had it's own cons, enough fanfics to have it's own(pretty large) website to archive them, some of the fics have even been printed in book form and sold, thousands of fanmade songs, bronies even have their own radio stations because there's so many fan songs that they can be on air for months without repeating a song, fanmade clothing and plushies, dozens of high quality fan games, hundreds of fan animations. There are much larger fandoms that haven't produced a tenth of what bronies did. Even if you don't like the show you've got to respect that it inspired a lot of creative people, in fact I doubt we'll ever see something like that again.
It was OG autism magnet along with Pokemon, but thanks to the internet newer franchises have a fighting chance to be the most autistic fanbase if just for a while.
Personally I think archie is dogshit.
What the hell is happening here?
The Joker attacked us and we barely escaped with our lives
Rape is happening
>Tails on a bench.
Except we're the catcher.
so it's true, idw is shilling money out to use the godzilla ip and sonic's suffering for it?
Sonic's suffering from having nothing after Metal Virus.
IDW has been shilling money for years trying to get its original IPs TV or movie adaptions, and it's blowing up in their face because nobody gives a rat's ass about any of IDW's original IPs. So now they're doubling-down on licensed comics because it's their only moneymakers and it's doubly blowing up in their face because those always have a higher overhead due to licensing fees.
Oversimplification. Would more money help sonic? Is the extra money godzilla costs worth it?
IDW is the equivalent of an anime filler arc. It can't develop anything, the writers don't know what they're working with until Sega tells them and there's a reliance on original characters to have any kind of creative liberty.
Which is why the book has so much pointless fluff
That's basically most licenseshit comics that still kneel to the original canon in a nutshell
Didn't people make fun of penders for inserting cringe romance of his sparkle dog OC echidnas? Isn't IDW doing the same thing with the sad lesbians?
It's not allowed to be an actual romance. Tangle and Whisper aren't canonically a couple but they're so thinly veiled that they had the lesbian flag behind them in an issue that came out during pride month.
I dont believe you
About what? The canon part or the pride flag part?
Dyke flag part
This is an actual panel
These b***hes gay, good for them!
People make fun of it now, but back then, fans were actually requesting more focus on romance, and for their chosen ship to sail. Nothing's changed. 15-20 years from now, most people will be cracking jokes at how hackneyed IDW's "romance" was.
The Sonic fanbase has always been its own worst enemy and should never be listened to in any circumstance for any reason. Except maybe if the creative teams want ideas for what to avoid.
it's ok when it's lesbians
but when it's straight couples it's forced and doesn't belong in Sonic. Or more accurately when it's game-characters
Remove everything that doesn't involve Sonic and it's good.
Lanolin just did what her role model Knuckles would've done.
Sonic is Lanolin's rolemodel not that stupid gay
So she's gonna get her whole squad killed in a Big Wave?
Not true, Knuckles would punch everybody and tell them to make up
He wouldn't even say that. He'd leave and then come back to brawl them if they were acting stupid again.
Knuckles doesnt even know who she is
The Restoration was placed in by the creative team. Tell me again how SEGA is the biggest problem.
Do you think idw will bring up the fact that whispers mask can record things or just forget it?
With how forced this plot is they'll definitely forget
>autist can't understand something simple as lanolin's reaction in a comic meant for children
Ironically it'd take an autist like you to throw a hissy fit and throw someone headfirst to the floor if they touch your arm.
Unironically if you're so afraid of a mentally ill relative getting shot that you have to make frick off huge signs in their yard then you should just have them committed.
stay away from mall security, tism bro
More kids know about sonic because of the movies
What's the point of the comics again?
Gives Sega free money.
the comics are licensed out, they're not needed but they make SEGA money
I have attachment to the comics as I never read them and only played the games and only jumped into the storytimes threads on a whim.
Why are OCs treating Silver like he is some kind of no name chump? homie can go super saiyan, he must have saved the world at least once.
Because he did all that in the future I guess.
It’s strange, Mimic treats him as the guy who saved the day during the zombie outbreak but no one else does. Lanolin in particular treats him like a complete rookie even though he has way more experience than her.
Lanolin treating anyone like a rookie is moronic considering she's the newest OC that's been forced into a leadership tole
Same reason Archie had King Max treat Sonic like a schmuck
Penders and Ian can't write without giving annoying characters authority they shouldn't have other others
So is IDW going to sell Sonic or no? The company is worth a fistful of pubic hair a share and I would kill for a hard reboot and the cancer lesbians being left behind.
>So is IDW going to sell Sonic or no?
>licenseshitters are actually this fricking moronic
What is the likelihood IDW dies in 2024?
I used to hate Archie people for constantly insisting their characters and stories should be canon when in reality Archie was only good when it was completely unconstrained by canon and was utterly batshit insane as a result. It made it entertaining to read and really let anything possible happen, but when SEGA cracked down harder on it and neutered that potential it got boring and stale which is in full force in IDW. They can never have any meaningful plotlines, character interactions, or anything that would contradict the games now.
The comics should be, and stay, their own separate canon. Otherwise, there's no point in having them, because nothing the characters say or do will matter in the long run. Might as well have every issue star a villain or evil plot of the week that is resolved within 20 pages, like the first few issues of Archie. Junk only kids could enjoy.
IDW is weird to me because it's "canon" but everything that happens in it just doesn't feel like it. I can't imagine the Restoration existing in the games or Sonic giving a flying frick about the not-freedom fighters.
>Might as well have every issue star a villain or evil plot of the week that is resolved within 20 pages, like the first few issues of Archie.
That would unironically be way more enjoyable than the current IDW run.
Does Sonic "canon" even really mean anything beyond the characters and their history damn near every time Sonic and Tails meet each other it's "long time no see" there's no real status quo in Sonic the Hedgehog knuckles has the master emerald and that's it
I mean in Shadow the Hedgehog Sonic's friends just show up randomly already in the middle of their own odd jobs so how does "Sonic canon" get in the way of any story you want to write, like shipgayging is one thing but I don't believe for a second SEGA mandated that certain character aren't allowed to interact with each other for whatever reason.
>I don't believe for a second SEGA mandated that certain character aren't allowed to interact with each other for whatever reason.
I could believe it. The more random team ups in the book always happen with OCs and game characters don't really talk to other game characters they don't have notable relationships with.
Why wouldn't they have some quality control?
It's when the quality control starts becoming shippers, or anti shippers that it matters.
How is not allowing new interactions between game characters quality control? If anything it makes things more stale since the characters are forced into retreads of existing interactions when not messing with ocs.
If anything game characters should be easier to do then ocs at least there you can just ask Sega how they think two characters should interact
Penders poisoned in that well. How can you trust your canon taking a different route when people like that exist?
>post wojack
>opinion discarded
Here's a thought, instead of having the characters twiddle their thumbs up eachothers asses, adapt plots from older comics that readers haven't been introduced to in a modern veil?
Kids would go nuts to see a evil super sonic wrecking shit, with Whisper trying to evade his bs.
Or how about Eggman unveils a new cybernik named Shortfuse who belle is concerned for, noticing something off in the new machine, something that desires freedom.
Or or Knuckles and Lanolin come across distorted doubles of their friends after interacting with the paradox prism
Orr Orrr Or Tangle is tasked by israeliteel to deliver some important papers to a certain orange badger who's been holed up since eggman's invasion, and the two must band together to defeat a fearsome snake named lyric
And tons of other shit, what if we brought Cosmo into mainline canon, or tackled another storybook arc but this time the whole gang can come along. Just tons of possibilities.
Guidelines mate.
Guidelines.
Sega autism gets in the way of all of that. The most interesting thing they can muster now is Eggperial City.
Legal issues, I'm pretty sure Fleetway characters are owned by their owners and Sonic X characters by Toai.
The only thing Sega still owns is the Freedom Fighters, which they won't use, because Sega of Japan hates them.