Is there an objective difference between inspiration/homage and simple lack of originality in filmmaking?
Is there an objective difference between inspiration/homage and simple lack of originality in filmmaking?
Is there an objective difference between inspiration/homage and simple lack of originality in filmmaking?
no
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I used to love Pulp Fiction. And I knew there were a lot of homages. But it wasn’t until I saw it even ripped off the dancing scene from an Italian film that I said frick it. Guy is a hack.
All of Tarantino's flicks are just ripping off and rehashing old movies he likes in his own style. Personally, I enjoy it and see nothing wrong with it, especially because he explicitly states he's doing just that.
Dunno
I assume this was was Anno was "referencing" and not this
He wasn't referencing shit, he's literally brainlet that copied random shit because he though "it looks cool"
Anno is based. I only wish he was also a mahou shoujo gay, like he was a mecha kaijuu and tokusatsu gay, so he could have blessed us with a magical girl series that wasnt shit like madoka or at least a Shin Minky Momo movie.
Re: Cutie Honey?
Lynched moron
Hes right
same goes for all of the christian and kabbalah imagery in the series, it doesn't necessarily mean a lot, it's just neat and "mystical" because it's foreign to them
same reason westerners like shit from asian cultures, it's exotic, foreign, and unfamiliar, so it's cool
>same reason westerners like shit from asian cultures
Only weebs and manchildren that can't appreciate their own culture. I love the "Soul Reaver" game series since, amongst other things, it portrays the concept of reincarnation as the worst hell imaginable. Such "cultural appropriation" would not fly in today's PC world, where "all cultures are equal."
lmao you are such a dumb fricking pseud.
I accept your mewling concession, weeb.
that's still reference whether you like it or not
he also copied that painting of the father eating his sons for episode 24. could also be coincidence, its an easy image to replicate given a certain thought process.
>mind games
is that what kids called slapping their wives back in the day?
No, mind games is when you don't hit your wife to keep her on her feet.
>triggered polgay
lmao cope nobody cares that John Lennon slapped his blonde wife and left her for a Japanese woman
yolk? Oh no!
Good artists borrow. Great artists steal.
Well this one tends to be misinterpreted; I like to think it means that you should fully stand behind your work regardless of similarities to what you've been influenced by rather than hiding behind the notion of humble "homage" to dispel potential criticism.
all good art is stolen
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i guess it boils down to "if you remove the homage does the scene still work?" if the whole scene is a "homage" then that's hackery
Oh no, this Asian girl with a bobcut looks like this anime Asian girl with a bobcut, what a hack! Seriously dude, you're not wrong about the rest but the last panel is stupid, Mako's backstory and personality have nothing to do with Rei's
moron
that last one is so egregious i'm surprised del taco's career didn't end right then
Like Eva was the first giant mech anime. Come the frick on.
might as well put robot jox screenshots in there.
Reminder that Weta tried pre-production of an EVA film back in the early 2000s. I am fully convinced that PR recycled the plans for that film.
There's absolutely 0 (zero) evidence Anno & co were inspired by this to create that shot from EoE, despite what npcs would like to parrot about.
And as long as you've got buzzwords to awkwardly pad that statement, you don't need arguments for it either you career tool.
>NOOOOO NOT LE BUZZWORDS
Keep parroting. Just because you saw something on a chart some rando made on Reddit doesn't mean it's true.
Damn that green text and blunt doubling down on buzzwords sure proved your brain is so much more than a leaking sponge of templated third hand thoughts. I'll get you yet if I ever recover mark my words
Keep coping.
Show me one completely original thing from the past 20 years. It has to be completely original. It can't be based on anything previous. You can't, because literally everything is derivative on some level and has been for thousands of years. Yet we still get people crying their b***h eyes out over two things that are barely related because they think they're geniuses for figuring out that two separate people did something similar to each other.
Shit place to ask since no one here makes anything, but I'll answer anyway.
When you create, you draw from tastes and influences and inspirations. If you draw from one source, ie you make a western film and during the making of it you only thought about one single already-existing western, your western will probably be a re-dress of the other, and you've effectively stolen or more damningly you've failed to create something for yourself.
But when that taste is developed in different directions and you can't pin down any one thing you're pulling from out of a collage of influences, then you're in the right space. Taste has to be varied, that means an artist needs to be extensively familiar with their medium AND have some amount of life experience to draw from.
And no one here actually watches anything or makes anything so it's a waste of time to ask.
What's the source? That's a cool painting.
Sure why not, you can have homages without any lack of originality.
See Upgrade being a clear spiritual grandson of Robocop, Adam Curtis documentaries being completely original pieces despite sampling various films and/or their scores.
no fricking way. THATS IT. THE FINAL FRICKING STRAW
jesus christ
japs really are hacks, aren't they?
I thought that was an Ultraman reference? I don't really recall, I've seen the original series and End of Evangelion once each, and don't know jack about tokusatsu
it's one of those things that can't be completely encompassed by simple rules
let me give an example of a good one:
it's pretty much a direct lift from the earlier film, but this is a good homage because it adds to the conversation: the context of The Wire leads the viewer to understand that the quote applies to the police and the drug dealers (and many of society's systems as well) being stuck in a negative equilibrium where both sides lose, and at the same time it points toward the older film as a formative influence, and keeps it alive as a touchstone and point of discussion. Lifting that scene from Night Moves resurrects something that should never have been arcane or forgotten in the first place. Both The Wire and Night Moves are good and original enough for them both to be enhanced by this cross-pollination, and the other references in The Wire that allude to meticulous craftsmanship also lead the audience to wonder about more subtle and less overt influence that the earlier film may have had.
contrast this with True Detective S2E3, where Ray's dad is watching Detective Story (1951) on tv and says "Look at that shit. Kirk Douglas. No country for white men, boy."
here we're getting two references, but they're rootless: they don't re-contextualize anything or invite a clear, meaningful comparison by juxtaposition.
because there is no natural narrative reason for their inclusion, all this does is invite the audience to think: "boy, both of those movies are better and more deliberately and carefully crafted than the shit I'm watching right now." it probably goes without saying, but this example compounds its error by being so un-clever and unsubtle: it beats you over the head that 'THESE ARE REFERENCES.' It feels hamfisted, slovenly, more like leaning on them as a crutch rather than hanging your painting next to an Old Master.
Yes, when the inspiration/homage is lonesome. Taking one thing and building the entire work around that means your work lacks originality. Eva is an original work that is built out of unoriginal parts. Like many films/shows its an amalgam of things that the author likes/finds interesting put together to make a new story.
GIANT FRICKING THING ON THE HORIZON is such an easy artistic way to generate a strong emotional response and yet artists hardly ever utilise it.
how easy it is to recognize the source and how it compares to the source
plagiarism from one source is theft, plagiarism from 1000 sources is art
What is the movie on the left?
It's called read the file name
ok that one is just pulling shit out of it's ass. None of those shots look related at all, other than a guy in a spacesuit.
i think that's the joke
thats a really shitty joke.
you are saying that only because you didn't get it
>ok that one is just pulling shit out of it's ass
No shit genius
Kubricks monolith scene took like 8 months or something crazy to animate in camera. Even if it did copy it, it's executing on such another order of magnitude it's become unique.
The other stuff like why are there vanishing point drawing lines in a hallway and why is there a baby at the end of 2001 don't really need an explanation for why they're not direct inspiration.
not really unless it's a direct copy all the way through. there's even some films that consist of footage from other films that are edited together to tell a totally different story. the homage could mean something totally different depending on the context of the scene and story
troonygelion has to be the worst piece of trash I have ever seen, no wonder when weebs talk about it the only thing that they discuss is which character they will jerk off to that day
Artistic effect justifies the means.
You won't get a good effect just stealing things, it won't be coherent.
When you use it for your own purposes in a way that justifies your use of the image. Filmmakers have commonly took inspiration for paintings and common photography. Kubrick used inspiration from paintings and art displays when designing his sets and framing his shots. The whole of Barry Lyndon is based on recreating a certain era art.
anime is for nonces and homosexuals