as far as i can tell the plot makes perfect sense, the characters are well written with clear motivations and goals that are consistent throughout the season, i really have no complaints!
how lucky are we to get a really good video game adaptation for once?
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yeah but like they got a date wrong and new vegas is smaller that in the game. 0/10 completely unwatchable
these shills are getting greedy, they must get paid per thread, too bad it's sent plausibility out the window and we all know it's shilled woke dei shit
>we all know
>we
Frick off
its not shills but discord brigade
why would prime bother marketing it here?
It's almost too obvious
>want to make a Fallout thread
>google "fallout tv show" to find an image
>first image you find is the main promo image
do you understand how the internet works anon
For:
The threads were made within thirty seconds of one another.
I thought they were drugged in vault 4, they acted like horny happy morons, and it was never explained
They were attempting to mislead the audience into thinking they were being held against their will and were unwitting test subjects. It turned out they were happy simply because they were safe.
so vault 4 is literally the best place to be in the entire universe?
vault 4 was the nightmare fuel vault
Well now it is if you don't mind sharing it with cultists who get a bit zany.
I thought the exact same thing.
Oh, they're acting weird. Ah, it's probably because they're being exposed to pheromones or something. Then there's the revelation that the sign to their room says "test subjects" and it all felt into place.
Only, they weren't being exposed to anything. It was just crap writing.
please understand the show writers want to write a plot twist within a plot twist to impress you with their writing prowess.
>hey look it's a vault that is not in ruins and everyone's doing well
>oh wait, what's this? something suspicious is happening here, are you ready for the suspenseful plot twist?
>plot twist! it's a vault that is not in ruins and everyone's actually doing well!
they did that in 4 and i fricking hated it. Frick emil is an idiot
vault 4 wasnt a normal vault, it was literally the obscene resident evil horror vault
they were a cult
They were in a literal cult. Plus pretty much everyone in the vaults is at least a little eccentric due to living in a confined underground space all their lives
hello I admit I may be a moron who missed an important detail but wasn't Lucy's plan to give the head to the brotherhood to make them help her
why did she run when they arrived?
lucy was meant to deliver the head to moldaver since she needs both parts of the mcguffin (device from scientist, password from dad) to obtain unlimited power.
lucy agrees to do this because moldaver has her dad hostage
Max changed the plan at the last second because he knew he was not in good standing with the brotherhood and would need to answer for the death of Titus. He only went along with Lucy's idea so he could pretend he was a full knight who was deeply trusted but confessed to her at the hospital facade of Vault 4 he was in fact not who she thought he was.
If he delivered the head, he could have easily written off Titus' death with whatever explanation he wanted and the BoS wouldn't care. He'd be a hero in their eyes.
But he wanted to go into her vault with her and if they didn't help her then it wouldn't happen and they were not about to help a civilian.
They would do just about anything for pre-war tech, that's their modus operandi.
there were some continuity error like when the ghoul sold her to the robot and he just goes unconscious outside?
also some other scenes with the armor for the black guy suddenly reappearing
He went unconscious because he ran out of his meds. The scavengers from vault 4 found the power armor and brought it back.
frick off shill this wasnt explained during the show your headcanon can frick off
i'm pretty sure it was told to the viewer numerous times that the ghouls or whatever need drugs
The woman from vault 4 said they had come across his power armor and brought it back to base.
When Lucy gave him his meds he regained consciousness therefore he lost consciousness due to Lucy destroying his meds during the fight with the gulper.
it was implied but you probably have the IQ of a cactus or didn't watch it, or both
Who cleaned up vault 32 before they moved in? Can't have been vault 33 dwellers and there were only two 31 people alive at the time
They obviously dethawed people from vault 31 to put them back on ice afterward. They have a literal army of Bud's buds there.
The Vault 33 folks did
characters teleporting from setpiece to setpiece, doing dumb as shit things for no good reason, and saying things that make zero sense to force the plot forward is unironically peak TV.
the plot should move the characters, not the other way around
This was annoying, but at least slightly justifiable given that they were all following each other for the same goal (sometimes actively).
The thing that added extra annoyance is how those set pieces continued to be totally inconsistent. In the space of single episodes the characters would jump from desert wasteland (with characters bemoaning a lack of water in the arid conditions), to a relatively lush and green setting, back to the arid desert.
That said, they're probably just doing a shit job at expressing how much time is passing between scenes. By the end of Episode 7 I assumed that only a few days had passed, but then the main girl says that she has been out of her vault for two weeks. This raises its own questions about how the characters are getting on (the second Brotherhood Squire was caring his huge power armor golf-bag around a desert for DAYS ... with one of his feet literally destroyed?!)
The show implied that the ghouls need the drugs to prevent the progression of ghoulification (i.e., the brain getting fricked and turning them feral), but this was associated with the coughing fits. His collapsing -seemed- to be something different. I wasn't totally sure what that was supposed to be about either. He was shown taking a bunch of other drugs throughout the show too though, so whateverthefrick.
>characters teleporting from setpiece to setpiece
Fast traveling is a Fallout staple
only if you've already discovered said location
second episode, scientist outside the bear cave...then dissapears an appears at town, people suddenly noticing a ghoul that has been sitting in the middle of town the whole time....another j.nolan fail
Maybe how lucy found maximus stuck in the armor? Sure the head had tracker but the weasel guy had already left with it.
Probably goes too nitpicking category
Goggins knew the weak spot of the powersuits but never insta killed Maximus when they met
He had forgotten the flaw and only recalled it after a flashback with Bud Askin who worked on the T-45's he used in Anchorage during his time in the military..
Only enjoyable character so far for me is the Ghoul, but of course they frick that up with constant flashbacks that barely hold any relevance to what is actually going on. If he gets redeemed somehow that will be so fricking funny though. Admits to being a cannibal, kills people for fun, and tortures most he comes in contact with, but he said "Sorry" right before he died so all is forgiven.
Also I barely see anyone talk about the HORRIFIC editing in this show. It switches angles every fricking second at times for useless information. It literally switches angles to show you the guns the Ghoul drops on the bodies and yet the scene just ends. What's the fricking point of that shot. Not to mention when they get into Vault 4 and before they know anything it literally plays an ominous sound when they finish talking to that random girl, but they already know the main audience is that moronic they need it spoonfed to them that something isn't right. Or how we've been repeatedly told he needs a fusion core for the armor, still does a shot of his armor when he finds it again, and then to rub it in it does a shot of a guy screwing in a light bulb. Holy frick this show really does think everyone who watches it is moronic.
How in the frick is Maximus not a villain when the first thing he does when he gets into the Vault is instantly steal the vaults power source lmao.
>but they're crazy and evil
They literally didn't know that yet homosexual.
There are no good or bad guys. Just factions
because hes a.. knight and they reclaim technology
>How in the frick is Maximus not a villain when the first thing he does when he gets into the Vault is instantly steal the vaults power source lmao.
You mean him killing a knight and stealing a power armor does not yet qualify being evil?
he didnt kill the knight the bear did
>it's not murder when you hold a cure in your hand and actively refuse to help dying man
Pure semantics.
it isnt? its maybe negligence. The bear fricked him up fair and square.
Dumbass should have just said a bear killed him. No one would have known
you have food in your fridge right? by actively refusing to run it over to the food bank for starving people you're murdering them. hope you enjoy life in prison scumbag
Weak bait. The same analogy would be locking a starving person in chains and dangling food in front of them and not giving it because he said gimme the fricking food and you hurt your pretty little feels.
he locked himself in the chains officer. When I went to get him some food he called me an butthole, so I figured i'd wait until he learned some manners.
No, but when the guy is actively threatening you? ("You're fricked, the Brotherhood is going to kill you for this".) Especially when you didn't actually do anything wrong? (He fricking killed the yao guai with a single shot from a pistol, and only hesitated to heal the Knight when he started b***hing at him for being slow).
>Dumbass should have just said a bear killed him. No one would have known
To be fair, my assumption was that they probably wouldn't have believed him given that they already think he got the position by fricking over another recruit. It looks kinda suspicious if Maximum just happens to magically benefit from another's misfortune at every turn.
Also, I don't know if the vidya lore fricks him over. The knight's audio is likely recorded on holotape, so Maximus probably can't lie directly to the Brotherhood (without destroying the tape, which would look extra suspicious). There would also be questions as to why easily-fixed medical attention wasn't provided.
It's kinda funny, because this would actually be cute if they made a joke out of it. Like how the ghoul makes a joke about how you always get distracted by side quests.
>dindunuffin he a good boi
The post.
This.
He's not a "good boi" by any stretch, he did "bad" things for selfish reasons. But lets not pretend that he wasn't being -threatened with execution- while making that decision, by an butthole character who had it coming.
>However the Eldar seems to think Max should get promoted for lying fricking up at every opportunity.
I don't think so. They questioned him over something they had no evidence of, and which the victim didn't seem to think he did. They responded most positively when he was giving responses about his drive and being willing to sacrifice himself for the Brotherhood, not for the assumption that he was a sneaky rogue who would frick over companions at the first opportunity. Hell, even the other Brotherhood squire later went on to say that Max was a good/competent guy who just happened to lose the bullying hierarchy lottery.
the Eldar straight up thinks he did everything and he has a go a getter attitude.
Even his lying, its all misinterpreted as leadership qualities.
Its really kinda funny.
He should have still said it because its perfectly valid.
However the Eldar seems to think Max should get promoted for lying fricking up at every opportunity.
i dont think the tape thing holds up. No idea if he had a tape or was recording it, could always toss it.
Also Tidus did basically threaten to have him killed.
So it was completely reasonable to let him die. The bears at fault
>No idea if he had a tape or was recording it, could always toss it.
The fact that Knights have holotapes which act as black-boxes is pretty consistent in the games. There are side quests in both Fallout 4 and New Vegas (and probably some in other games I can't remember) where you need to track down lost Brotherhood patrols and collect their holotapes to work out what happened to them. The problem is that Max can't just destroy/toss them, because that'd look so much more suspicious. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
I agree that it was reasonable for Max to say "frick you" to Titus. But I still wouldn't argue that it was a morally "good" decision.
everyone has holotapes its a common device in all the games.
Like an audio diary
For me it’s the part after bonding with Thaddeus he immediately goes to kill him to keep the story straight, like that’s just a fricking dick move.
>How in the frick is Maximus not a villain when the first thing he does when he gets into the Vault is instantly steal the vaults power source lmao.
I actually liked how much of a selfish scumbag he was. The result of losing everything as a kid and then being bullied by the brotherhood. He is not loyal to anyone, he had that great pathetic line when he revealed himself to his squire, "we can still be friends", which then turned into him immediately trying to kill him. And yes, stealing the power source was great. He wanted his armor, frick the people in the vault.
he had a second chance to say to that guy the bear killed him
shits hilarious he just kept making problems
I don’t mind him being a scumbag if the show didn’t act like the audience was suppose to like him for being a selfish opportunist. Like Lucy is naive and he’s a betraying scumbag opportunist, but somehow they didn’t have him betray Lucy and show his true colors? It just felt weird he’s treated as a hero by Lucy and the brotherhood. He better turn full villain and betray Lucy next season or the way they wrote him doesnt make any fricking sense.
I think he's supposed to be a somewhat tragic figure. Most of all he just wants friends and safety, but he's willing to wreck shit if that isn't a possibility. His first actions in the armor is trying to help out someone, who turns out to be a chicken fricker. He did manage to help out Lucy and she's impressed and thankful for the help - and then she helps him out later on and treats him with kindness. He has no reason to be a dick to her; she's friendly, not a threat, and she has nothing he wants. Up until they get the head, which they plan to turn in together. At that point he has some character growth and chooses to return empty-handed because he realizes that the brotherhood probably wouldn't help out Lucy, one of the few selfless acts he does.
And of course, now he's suddenly in the inner circle of the brotherhood and hailed as a champion, even if all he wants is just to live in peace with Lucy in a vault.
I think the whole point is that when Lucy acted kindly towards him and he got to see what life inside a vault could be like he realised he had a chance at having a family with her in her vault. Up until that time the Brotherhood had been his family, after his own died, but the Brotherhood never actually treated him like family. He was a soldier being abused by older soldiers and made to do shitty tasks to pay for his board and bread. As far as he knew that was the only "brotherhood" that existed in the wasteland and it sucked ass with everyone being buttholes, he even thought the vaults were just filled with monsters. Then he found out vault dwellers were not only real but actually nice people as well and so there was a reason to not just look out for number one.
I mean that’s what they were going for with him but he does way to much stupid shit like not help Titus immediately followed by pretending to be him instead of just saying a bear killed titus followed by attacking and trying to kill his squire friend which ultimately ends up with Maximus wrecking his foot. He’s a dumb scumbag opportunist, his actions are often not smart and they aren’t driven by his moral principles (to protect people and be seen as a hero). He’s just very hard to like the way they wrote him and given the shit he’s already done it would be much more interesting and follow through with his path if action to have him become a villain in season2, enjoying his status as a brotherhood hero and betraying Lucy for that glory.
I like him for the flawed butthole he is.
It is an interesting thought, if he's an butthole trying to be better, or a decent guy who has just been trampled on so much that it's hard to be good.
I'm betting he's gonna end up as the leader of the brotherhood splinter group and going up against Lucy somehow.
>and going up against Lucy somehow.
that goes without saying
hes literally mentally a child, hes straight up an idiocracy character.
so like most of good fallout characters?
hes like this
https://invidious.perennialte.ch/watch?v=Hf0M1E0yxAU
i wish more games allowed you to play this type of character
>stupid shit like not help Titus
Frick Titus. The moron ignored his mission to walk into a bear den, trying to get his squire killed, and then got killed by the bear while wearing a fricking power armour. That little b***h deserved to drown in his own blood for being a shame on the Brotherhood's name and endangering Brotherhood property.
>the rad paranoid vault dwellers don't check the raiders for radiations
>no one questions the fact all the raiders are unknown even though they have regular contacts with the other vaults
>raiders actually act as raiders, cruelly and ruthlessly, even though we find later they are freedom fighters and the alleged good guys (Moldaver is friend with Lucy's mom so she KNOWS most vault dwellers are innocent, it makes NO SENSE she would murder so many so ruthlessly instead of trying to kidnap her father quietly or with hostages)
This is all in the FIRST FRICKING HALF of the FIRST FRICKING EPISODE
This show has more holes than a fricking cheese grater
Don't forget the Overseer competition subplot that goes nowhere!
>potential overseers don't show any malice towards eachother
>character has to literally say they don't like eachother
>instantly goes back to them showing they want to be overseer
>goes fricking nowhere as per usual
Thanks Todd! Was worried something interesting might happen, but was scared I wouldn't understand it!
I feel like this is what Star Wars fans went through when that reached maximum shittiness. Fallout has either reached that apex or this is just the beginning and it will get much worse.
it did go somewhere, it led to Norm realising its all rigged
>it led to Norm realizing its all rigged
lmao no it didn't. He went to the other vault to see what actually happened and accessed the computer finding out his mothers pip-boy opened the vault for the raiders. He's already suspicious of that black lady overseer because she keeps following/threatening him so he naturally looks her and others up on the terminal and finds she's from that vault and all people from that vault win overseer no matter what.
The entire thing of the overseers competing for power was a waste of time and nothing burger. He was already going to go inside anyways.
yes it did moron. They already knew their entire history had been 31 overseers.
They even had a slogan for it.
He just never really thought about it.
You fricking idiot. I'm literally talking about the Overseers vying for power and how it is completely useless to the plot. The character LITERALLY says they all want power. Nothing changes by it being rigged in one or the other potential candidates. They don't plan to kill another Overseer, no infighting, nothing fricking happens.
god damn don't call others an idiot when you are a moron.
They lost their overseer, they 3 people for the spot. They held an election that led to Norm working out the black lady is an exec
You complete fricking moron lol
>selectively ignoring what I said
Nice yapping
you are a fricking moron same with this dumb shit
Unspeakably dumb people.
If they knew the history, the slogan wouldn't even make sense—they're supposed to vote 31 during hard times. But if they just always vote 31 no matter what, then the slogan is out of place. Sorry, you must have an IQ around 80 so to you I suppose this is all perfectly normal and nothing seems strange about the situation.
its because the entire thing is rigged duh. The slogan is just part of the illusion.
Literal mental midgets
The implication is that whenever there's an election, suddenly something goes wrong that gets everyone to vote 31. They mentioned some crop failure when the dad became overseer. The water chip malfunctions just before Betty enters the race. It's not really clear how long these Overseer terms are supposed to be.
Betty and eyepatch blonde are Vault-Tec executives
The fat guy and the other guy will also discover the truth later on, even the cucked cousin
please stop pointing out writing flaws in the series. the critiques are all saying it was well written. i don't want to go to bed knowing that i enjoyed slop simply because i was blinded by my love for fallout 3 and 4
The raiders occupied the already rekt Vault 32 for 2 years and no one from Vault 33 realized that their neighbors have been lost permanently.
That chimpout inside Vault 32 would have sent feelers and shockwaves to Vault 33, unless of course Lucy's dad was complicit in the cover up.
they didnt occupy 32. it was abandoned and not cleaned up. They entered via 32
>they didnt occupy 32
They did, they did yearly breeder exchanges with Vault 32.
My point is that a massive Vault revolt would have been felt and known by Vault 33 unless the Overseer and Vault 31's AI brainbot suppressed all information.
Muldaver got inside Vault 32 via her ghoul gf's Pipboy.
not yearly. They periodically did it and lost contact because they had been dead for years due to each other not the raiders.
The raiders just broke in
They regulrarly interchange people, someone in 33 is bound to know people in 32 and realize NONE of the raiders are known to him
Besides, they would still check for radiations, we are shown how paranoid they are several times
probably because they only exchange breeders who are young adults and the gap between exchanges means they are kids
Yeah, and so why the frick did Vault 33 think those raiders were from vault 32? Surely Lucy's dad and Betty would have known what had happened since they are in communication with vault 31. So how does this make ANY SENSE AT ALL?
This is the stupidest dumbest plot hole. The very first episode makes no sense at all after watching the first season. You have to be schizo to enjoy this show. The plot is totally illogical.
It was explained at their meeting. Muldaver and Lucy's dad were in communication and even mentioned the passing of the previous overseer. It didn't take much for the son to trick Bud Askin in vault 31 so Muldaver would have done the same. Without Vault 31 raising a red flag Lucy's father would be none the wiser. Also crop devastation would have seemed a plausible explanation for the affairs of Vault 32 considering Lucy's father became overseer after weevils destroyed their crops.
You are bitterly looking for any reason to hate it but you are coming up with nonsense.
>The plot is totally illogical.
that’s the point. It’s just like fallout 3 and 4
How did no one from vault 33 know that Lucy's mom left with her and her brother? Then her Dad left. How in the frick would she also not remember leaving the vault and traveling across the wasteland with her Mom and brother when she was like 5 years old?
They had complete confidence in the other vaults being safe because you can't get in without a pip-boy.
They don't have regular contact with the other vaults, it only happens once a generation to help the breeding pool and put in new leaders from 31.
Moldaver's crew was pissed off at the people they thought was responsible for the nuking of Shady Sands and so went feral on them as payback. It's not like Moldaver would tell all of them about how she's from before the bombs fell and only the overseer of the vault knew the deal, because that would put too big of a target on her back.
>Moldaver's crew was pissed off at the people they thought was responsible for the nuking of Shady Sands and so went feral on them as payback.
It could also just be mercenaries that Moldaver hired for the job. A way to keep her hands looking clean for the rest of the NCR while using expendable people.
yeah her mercs were straight up raiders, not le ncr freedom fighter commies
Most probably. I feel like if it was an NCR crew they'd be using guns instead of all the raider swords and shit. But even then she probably told some story about kidnapping the guy responsible for Shady Sands to bring him to justice on the surface, to get them to go along with the wedding masquerade and not gutting the overseer as soon as they see him just to scare the rest of the vault.
i think she just paid them in caps and promise of loot
What's more is that Moldaver enacted this plan knowing full well that Lucy, her friend's daughter, would most likely be killed.
Why did they mention the water chip is busted and then not mention it again? I guess it wasn't that big of a deal and they had a spare?
Why doesn't any Vault 33 dweller suggest they just leave the doors open between their vaults? There is literally no reason to sequester themselves like that for years and years.
>Why did they mention the water chip is busted and then not mention it again? I guess it wasn't that big of a deal and they had a spare?
it didn't matter, it was just a memberberry for people who played fallout 1
>Why did they mention the water chip is busted and then not mention it again?
I haven't finished the show yet ... but seriously? I figured this would be resolved in the final episode (even if just by happenstance). It's genuinely never addressed again?
>back to back 2 threads
Shills are getting desperate
>red alert blaring for 5 minutes
>two guys are bringing the jelly cake
>"get that jelly out of here!"
I get that they did it for the joke, but it didn't make sense at that time.
Yea that was weird
It's also dumb that the vault dwellers had no security teams or any sort of protocol to follow once the alarm was raised.
Nah, that's the least dumb thing in the show. These people have been doing their vault thing for 200-odd years, having contact with the other two vaults every few decades that whole time. They're eagerly awaiting recolonisation day because they don't think there's anything intelligent on the surface, at least nothing capable of hacking their way into a vault that requires a pip-boy to open, and there's never been a problem with the other two vaults exchanging goods for that whole time. Why on earth would they expect trouble this time?
If you go 200 years without being attacked by Iceland you're going to be really fricking surprised when your Icelandic buddies show up and it turns out to be Martians that invaded Iceland and then used their ships to come raid you.
Not really.
The 31 vault dwellers probably wanted a docile and easily manipulated population to push around.
Having a security force might give people ideas, might lead to abuse of power etc.
yeah they didnt need one the dwellers were being trained as militia anyway.
They got some security after to defend the prison
If they were meant to be docile, then why where they all given firearms training? Why even have an armory to raid?
Well they do eventually want to repopulate and take the surface back.
They want to take the surface back but they don't anticipate any potential for hostilities? Lucy immediately identified the intruders as raiders, so they had to have known that they'd eventually be shooting at something.
they have been trained wrong as a joke
>preparing to leave the vault into the hostile outside world full of unpredictable dangerous people (some of whom just murdered many of my own friends literally moments ago)
>arsenal full of weaponry
>brings a single tranq gun
>arsenal full of weaponry
The raiders took most of them and fricked off with Moldaver, didn't they? The armoury was basically empty except for that gun the first time she got to it. I could see her sticking with the gun she had instead of trying to steal something heavier and maybe get caught. Also probably something chivalric about leaving the big guns for her family in the vault in case raiders show up again.
To be ready for recolonisation day, when they have to deal with all the radioactive animals on the surface. Making each generation believe they'll be alive for recolonisation day also makes them happy and docile by making them believe they're special. They probably did the "it looks like rad levels are down low enough that your kids will be the first to live their lives outside the vaults!" speech every other generation before walking it back with other false promises.
the speech is actually true though according to the timeline we are getting closer to the theoretical no more radiation point, after year 2300.
If only there wasn't the pesky problem of the Overseers setting off new nukes to take out the competition, perpetually moving the date forward. Dude probably thought he was going to walk on the surface himself before he chose to nuke Shady Sands.
i think the significance is thar Vault tec is rousing from its slumber like le ancient evil has awakened.
that*
>brain on a roomba traps you in a vault and tells you you'd better freeze yourself so you'll survive until the vault opens
>you reluctantly step inside the pod, silently saying goodbye to everyone you know and love
>vault opens two days later when your dad gets back from his trip
SAAAAAAARS
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flavor of the weekend.
was the millions worth it?
Those that have seen it, haven't liked it.
my bother, big gaymer, hates it
Yet, you continue to shill.
Get the frick out of here before I gas you/
How come Hank was unable to recognize Moldaver when she came into the vault as the Overseer?
Not wanting to blow his cover
nice try Todd
ultimately moldaver only wanted 2 things: the science mcguffin from science guy, and the password from hank.
she was already at the vault with hank and both of hank's kids. if she wanted to squeeze the password out of hank, she could have done it then and there. both of his loved ones were right in front of them, torture them both, torture him, etc.
if not, betty was also there. being a pre-war vault-tec staff she would have the password too.
if not, the whole vault 31 and all of its frozen vault-tec pawns were right there!
also, before detonating the bomb at the interconnecting vault door, she said to hank, "your daughter, or them. choose."
but nothing came out of it, his daughter and all of the vault dweller were still spared.
was "them" subtly referring to the frozen corpos in vault 31? but nothing happened to them either??
what did she mean by "choose" and who did hank choose, and what consequence did the "choice" lead to??
for the 2nd piece of the puzzle, in order to get the science mcguffin, why didn't she seek out the science guy instead of retreating straight to her base and relying on mercenaries to bring him to her when she knew both the enclave and the BoS would be after him?
she had lots of men with her, she could have staked out filly or any of the points of interest near the vault.
lucy left the vault and immediately encountered science guy, so obviously he was coming from roughly the same direction?
and why did science guy just show himself to lucy to give him some vague warnings and then mysteriously disappeared? they just conveniently end up running into each other at filly at the exact same time anyway??
if it was so important for him to deliver the mcguffin to moldaver, why not send lucy to filly to secure supplies and escort without entering filly himself and putting himself in danger?
he knew who lucy was, he knew her name, he insisted vault dwellers can be trusted, why leave her to fend for herself in the middle of the night??
he was following her and setting her up to be the deliverer.
Probably because he had calculated he had a zero chance of making it alive
and why did science guy kill himself before properly explaining to lucy what's happening? there was so much missing information and lucy was still in the dark about pretty much everything yet he's entrusting her with this super important mission that can change the world forever???
is he stupid??
he knew lucy was someone he could trust because shes a dumb b***h
right, so sit her down and explain to her exactly what's happening. why let this clueless trustable gullible vulnerable woman with a very important science artifact?
lucy ended up thinking moldaver was an enemy up til the very end. this is the reason max went to the BoS to bring soldiers to fight the evil raiders who kidnapped lucy's dad, which ultimately ended with moldaver dying, hank fleeing, and BoS gaining control of the ultimate science.
everyone else in the wasteland is untrustworthy. Especially because theres a massive bounty on his head and they all want the artefact.
ok, so why swallow the suicide pill before explaining to lucy what's happening? he knew her full name, he knew who she was and her relationship with hank, he knew she wasn't just a random vault dweller
to force her to saw his head off and make it easier for her
Probably be easier to explain everything and then say you just need to take this thing out of my neck and get it to the NCR, I get that he had to hide it in his neck to sneak it out of the enclave I guess but having her taking the head had the ghoul and BOS after her while if she had just taken the object and left the corpse she’d likely not have been chased.
the entire point is Lucy is an honest person that always does the right thing.
He entrusted her with her head to get to Moldaver.
She wouldnt let him down
his head*
Because she’s a Vault dweller and he was smart enough to know every damn time one of these frickers come up to the surface they change the wasteland.
>also, before detonating the bomb at the interconnecting vault door, she said to hank, "your daughter, or them. choose."
I doubt they thought it through but one explanation would be her simply trying to figure out what pressure points would Hank have, would he be more invested in his daughter or the lab rats?
ok, then what? if he had chosen his daughter, did she bring the daughter with them to torture her in front of him? no.
if he had chosen the vault dwellers, did she bring any of the vault dwellers with them to torture in front of him? no.
so she just assumed that at some point in the future, someone important to Hank, will somehow find their way to her raider base so that she could use that person(s) as leverage to convince hank to type the password into the terminal?
dunno, maybe she was just fricking with him
the writers were just fricking with you
the first episode just feels like a pilot with no thought for what will come afterwards
she was older and had her hair down and no specs
Hed forgotten about her
She looked exactly like she did 200 years before, is she superman with her disguise being a fricking pair of glasses?
no she didnt they were all younger. They have all aged a two or three decades since coming out of cryo
She doesn't look older at all, only Hank is visibly aged
Muldaver before the war had no gray hairs. Modern Muldaver had gray hair. She seemed to be similarly aged like the Overseer as if she was dethawed as well and had been living it up for awhile but they never went into details.
this, they de-aged Hank but they didnt go to that much trouble with her actress.
I think she got more tan and a bit more jowly and lined
The overseer very likely never met her and only heard of her. How she cheated death is never explained.
she said she was fine with hypocrisy so she was also put in the management vault I guess?
She used Lucy's mom's pipboy to gain access to vault 32 which makes it unlikely she was from 31. Her Hollywood Forever funeral home might have been a front for cryogenics.
episode 1 is actually just an ad for the rest of the series and not part of the plot
then it makes sense
Nice cuck show
The Hellraiser prosthetic limb was nightmare fuel
yeah that was fricking shit kinda ruined it for me.
I kept saying arent they going to use some fev or serum frickery.
Then they actually do but not for him
So this chapter of the BoS is supposed to be part of Maxson’s faction right?
But how and why are they so far to the west coast, like they were only just expanding into the Commonwealth but also this far west? Not to mention the fact travel between the two coasts is supposed to be insanely hard and long with tons of dangers.
>So this chapter of the BoS is supposed to be part of Maxson’s faction right?
Is that ever said/implied anywhere? The fact that they have an identical airship suggests some sort of connection, given that Fallout 4 explicitly says it was designed and built from scratch by Maxon's West Coast faction. But given that Fallout 4 also makes it clear that the West Coast faction re-integrated with the values of the East Coast, it's pretty easy to assume they just shared the plans and/or sent some engineers over to help build a second.
I think the biggest implication for it is not only do they have a similar airship to the Prydwen but also how they were recruiting wastelander kids like Maximus, as the few factions of the BoS on the West Coast were still highly insular as seen in New Vegas.
its literally the Prydwen
the red flags of the BoS suggest they are not west coast. Maybe another chapter.
its actually the same airship
Has this been confirmed? I remember looking this up in the lead-up to the show's release, and it sounded like the production team was being very definite that it was a different airship with a different name.
yeah for some reason they baited people with a different name
So it has been confirmed? But ... why? Everyone assumed it was the Prydwen to begin with, and given the events of the show, it really doesn't matter if it is the Prydwen or not. So why act so coy about it?
spoilery reasons?
I think someone said it literally says Prydwen on it
What spoiler though? It literally doesn't spoil anything. And even if did ... why include it in the trailers? Just focus on the vertibirds instead, they're the more iconic Brotherhood aircraft anyway.
there's no good story reason to it, the writers don't care about canon or story motivations or meaningful characters or plot points.
it's all member berries. "remember the prydwen?" "hey look remember red rocket?" "remember sugarbombs?" "look it's slavers! from the games! we gotta have slavers in fallout, right??" "hey it's the OG gun from fallout 1, don't we all love fallout 1??" "waterchip!! only the real OG fallout fans will know about the waterchip! arent you a cool fan for enjoying this product and understanding all the references?" "btw here's another slow-mo scene with classic 1950s music juxtaposed on it because that's the signature fallout thing right??"
this, it's only scraps thrown out so casuals can feel good about noticing them
they have a checklist of member berries they must include
>shady sands
>ncr
>10mm pistol from fallout 1
>gulpers
>ghouls
>dogmeat
>BoS
>power armor
>prydwen
>big nuke crater
>grognak
>sugarbombs
>slavers
>feral ghouls
>stimpaks
>radaways
>yao guai
>radroach
>computer hacking
>pipboy
>mister handy
>an independent radio host
>etc
unfortunately "big nuke crater" got connected to "shady sands" by random draw. the writers don't know nor care about the lore significance of doing this.
they implied the Enclave runs a dogmeat breeding kennel to track vault dwellers
I did not catch this, that’s actually interesting.
To be honest, I didn't mind most of that ... because the games do the exact same thing. It's the same quotes, the same songs, the same guns, the same enemies, the same pre-war products/companies, over and over and over. At least most of these are just kinda there in the background: for example, the Red Rocket was just there as a background set, exactly like in the vidya, the characters didn't start monologuing about its importance or anything. We see a lot of Nuka-Cola, but nobody takes a swig and winks at the camera (does anyone even *say* "Nuka-Cola" at any point in the show?)
It got a little *too* cute in a few places though, like when showing some random wastelander hut that was designed to look exactly like one of the prefab cabins in the Fallout 4 settlement mode. It's one thing for the vaults or manufactured items (eg. guns) to look identical to the game ... but shanty shacks that were thrown together with whatever material was available?
In fact, with this in mind, it's kinda odd that they did change random things. The vault suits seemed identical to those in Fallout 4 (going by memory), but they decided to adapt the Brotherhood uniforms?
No one ever says nuka cola no one even explains bottle caps are currency. I know this because I watched with some people who know nothing about fallout and I figured the show would be a good entry point for basic stuff but it honestly wasn’t. Had to explain what the brotherhood is actually about who NCR is what the enclave is etc,,, a lot of other basic stuff like ghouls and FEV. It was made for people with some knowledge of fallout and I’m surprised normies seem to like it because it really leaves you in the dark about a lot of the basics. It’s a plot in the fallout universe but not a plot made to explain that universe much, mixing the shady sand cultists with the reveal that vaults were experiments is also confusing for most who are not aware the vaults are experiments.
It says prydwen because they created the model first then changed it last minute to not conflict with potential game events. It’s literally a vfx error
the name they changed it to is literally just another version of Prydwen
Hank was cryosleeping in a vault-tec pod for the past 200 years
The cowboy dude was a ghoul with a constant supply of asthma inhalers for the past 200 years
How did Moldaver stay alive for so long? She was against all the vault-tec shit and she wasn't a ghoul either. Did I speedwatch too fast or what?
she stole a cryopod
>water is a precious resource
its irradiated
nah I fixed that shit in FO3
distill it. Lucy was dipped in it, probably swallowed some of it, yet she's fine.
She was on the verge of death from radiation poisoning
>Cerulean blue
>possibly containing cobalt and radioactive isotopes
>contains a gulper since mutants love highly irradiated environs
I wouldn't drink it.
the whole crypopod thing is on one hand staple scifi and makes sense
but it kinda invalidates the point of vaults when its use is that widespread.
They had a vault to test cryo sleep but also a vault for execs with cryosleep? lol
In the game Rage (Fallout inspired) they just buried people underground and put them in crypo sleep
>They had a vault to test cryo sleep but also a vault for execs with cryosleep? lol
I'm pretty sure the idea is tat Vault 111 wasn't actually about cryosleep, that was just the cover for the *actual* experiment that you read about on the terminals. IIRC the scientists charged with maintaining the pods were the actual lab rats, they were told that the vault would be opened up after a few weeks or something, and VaultTec wanted to see what would happen if they just ... didn't. And, naturally, it led to the uprising between the scientists, security, and Overseer, which is why the vault is already "abandoned" before Kellog and friends initially wake up the Lone Survivor to steal Shaun.
i think the other reason was it was intended as a cold storage for pre-war human genetic material for experiments.
Episode 2 was pretty bad with lots of contrivances and the ending has problems but otherwise I liked it.
>2/3 of the cast lived pre-war
LAME
This show is garbage. Feminism, anti-racism promotion, Mary Sue charater etc.
Anyone who likes this junk is aready lost
>Mary Sue charater
You don't even know what you are talking about
shut up you loser simp
>the only creatures we saw were Radroaches, Gulpers and a single Yao Guai
Disappointing
we saw a super mutant arm
When was that? I must have missed it.
in the Enclave base first seeing Wilzig
Imagine thinking the few thousand morons on Cinemaphile are worth the effort to shill, you guys never pay for your Cinemaphile experience anyway.
this show was fricking awesome
the whole way they built up the ending with vault-tek being responsible for the nukes was rad
good morning sir thank you for to be redeeming
watched first two episodes yesterday
i think i'll give this third episode a try and if it doesn't click i'll just drop it. max was good in the first episode but what the frick why does he get power armor in the 2nd episode and become the comic relief?
He’s the worst part of the show, does stupid shit left and right with little reasoning and yet the show seems to think we should like him for some reason. I also think episode 2 is the worst episode though and the later half is better than the first half of the show.
max was good until they forced the romance
I liked that he was perceived as a good guy but wasn't a good guy but then they had to make him actual good guy and its all ruined
Yeah I was expecting them to reveal he did the boot thing and actually killed Titus not just watched him die, I mean was a huge opportunist and was about to kill his squire friend simply because his friend told him he was fricked for lying to the brotherhood, he destroyed his foot over that. So I expected him to betray Lucy at some point as it would fit his actions to do so. Probably betray her to take the head to save his own ass again. Instead he’s suppose to somehow be a hero but all he’s done is stupid shit that could have been avoided “Titus got killed by a bear I took his suit to sleep it safe since we are all about saving prewar tech for ourselves”. Had he betrayed Lucy, or tried to, to get the head instead of their kiss scene and then have him and the brotherhood show up at the NCR to attack it again to save his ass and end with Alice going off with the Ghoul and Max praised for getting the cold fusion tech for the brotherhood it would have left off on a potentially cool friend turned villain for season 2. As is its an unrealistic romance and Max just comes off as stupid but unpunished for his stupidity.
why did he have to be so stupid man, it was so annoying
>elder, knight titus lead us into a cave swarming with mutated bears. he managed to kill them all but the bears managed to damage the armor and he unfortunately succumbed to his injuries. i am currently piloting his power armor to defend myself and his body from raiders and cannibals such that i may return it to honor him with a proper burial. please send help.
there, done, return to the chapter a hero and possibly get assigned to a more respectable knight.
but nope the story needs to happen so do the stupidest possible thing instead
exactly, knight Tidus got killed by a bear. I got knocked over and managed to kill the bear but it was too late.
These people dont have forensics they are dumbasses, as Tidus said they dont know what a toaster is for.
>i am currently piloting his power armor to defend myself and his body from raiders and cannibals such that i may return it to honor him with a proper burial. please send help.
It's the fricking Brotherhood. They'd execute him for DARING to put on the armor at all, life threatening situation or not.
right so just pretend to be titus and never take off the power armor for the rest of his life? that's a better idea?
it really seems like this chapter just has a natural selection approach to promotions.
If you get lucky and the guy infront dies you go up
Where is that implied? All we ever see is that injured/dead squires are replaced with new squires ... which is exactly how you'd expect it to work. I can't imagine that a full KNIGHT would be replaced by a day-one squire simply based on luck.
they say they have a huge supply of spare squires.
And Max gets automatically promoted after his friend wimps out.
And the way the Eldar seems to nonchalantly promote him. It seems a bit like the Legion.
they dont really seem like a professional org they are pure larpers.
Theres no real structure.
Its just a throng of initiate b***hes and the middle knight rank then the old guys on top
Thats what stood out to me, they aren't like a proper army at all
the Eldar would praise his resourcefulness for using the power armour and all tools at his disposable
typical mid imprint woman. Black guy sucks the life out of any scene, very closely followed by the woman. Outside of Goggins there is very little saving this one.
Why doesn't Maximus know what sex is? He was born in a world surrounded by sex and violence. In one of his first scenes, the camera literally zooms past one of his fellow Brotherhood members jacking off. Seemed like a weird thing for his character.
I havent watched all episodes but is it true that every white male character is either a moron or a bad guy?
ghoul is a good guy and not a moron
He is just a burn victim so women cant make him the bad guy
The set designers for the shantytown stuff as well as the costume designers did a great job. Love all the background details, the strange outfits. The guy with a birdcage and a bunch of spectacles and magnifying devices, obviously a bird watcher of some kind. Get these folks outta the sinking ship of Fallout and onto some Mad Max shit where canon doesn't matter.
buy a fricking banner bezos you tightass israelite
the writing sucks ass and was done by AI
even walter goggins performance is lack luster compared to VA work in the first 2 games
Same shilling as lawd rangs can't wait for all of this to mysteriously disappear after the first week.
This show was written by a WOMAN.
Imagine what kind of a simp you have to be to enjoy the content from women.
like onlyfans?
It was fun, but vault-tec dropping the bomb was a moronic retcon and a shitty overused trope beside
It doesn’t even make sense, like they say there’s lots of profit to be made with the end of the world, fricking how when the world ends up using bottle caps as currency.
Plus I don’t like how the rep for Big MT is supposed to be Sinclair from Dead Money, what you learn of him in the dlc doesn’t fit with a guy who knows and helps plots the bombs dropping.
>what you learn of him in the dlc doesn’t fit with a guy who knows and helps plots the bombs dropping.
Wasn't the whole point of Dead Money that he *knew* the bombs were coming? The Casino/resort was designed to be fully self-sufficient, protected, etc, as a way of living out the nuclear holocaust. The issue was that shit when to frick too soon, and/or some of the systems (the gas?) malfunctioned and weren't able to be fixed in time ... or something?
Everyone knew the bombs were coming. Pre-War was Cuban Missile Crisis all day every day.
I'm pretty sure the Sinclair stuff was more explicit than that, but it has been a while since I jumped into the lore.
Was it confirmed they dropped the bomb or did they just talk about dropping the bomb anyways if the Chinese don't do it?
That's their easy way to back out of it if they want to retcon it for season 2
They only talked about it, we haven’t actually seen them pull the trigger and honestly I hope we don’t ever know for sure. House makes little sense if they did and he knew all about it, makes much more sense if vault tech maybe was going to launch the bombs and House pulls out of the idea to save Vegas and we never know for sure if vault tech went through it it or if it was China or the USA or Aliens or what.
Not reading the thread but the biggest plot hole I saw is Vault 32.
>vault 32 and 33 are secretly controlled by vault 31
>32 figures this out and revolts resulting in the majority dying
>this happens ~2 years before the events of the show
>somehow despite the overseers of 31, 32 and 33 being in contact with each other nobody knows 32 is dead
>they then invite a bunch of raiders who have only just arrived at 32 into 33 with zero checks
man when you have to try so hard to justify shitty writing at some point you just gotta put your hands up and admit that the writing is shitty.
there's no subtlety or deep meaning to anything. the more you dig the less things will make sense.
even arcane wasn't this badly written, this is almost RoP levels of nonsensical writing where things just happen because they must happen to move the plot.
Correct, again this was written by a woman to promote feminism, nothing more.
any ~~*bethesda*~~ game playthrough as a female in 3 or 4 will end up as a Giga Mary sue, thats really not the problem with this shit show
>The stupid double spheres covered in wires on either ends of the big machine in the observatory in the final episode
Why does it look so familiar? I know it's from a missing somewhere in the series but for the life of me can't remember
its undoubtedly slop. its just that for me, its fun slop. kind of like early walking dead but kind of better because i like fallout. but kind of much worse because i like fallout.
I like Lucy’s big googly eyes, she’s cute.
please stop criticizing the show, i've been loving it i don't want to flip to hating it not even 1 week from release
once a simp always a simp
It's not the biggest plothole, you can explain it... but it bugged me how Lucy's mom was a ghoul.
Why would she be a ghoul?
The show shows us that you can take a potion and become a ghoul. But why would she have taken/been given that? We know you can become a ghoul through prolonged exposure to radiation. But this wasn't that many years ago, she wasn't exposed for decades.
How would she end up a ghoul if the father just wanted her dead? Was she present at Shady Sands and became a sentient ghoul and then later went feral?
It's clear that she's there for dramatic effect. But I can't see a good explanation for it.
because she got nuked in Shady Sands
I haven't played F3+4 in years, but I remember that if you nuke that town a single person will survive and will have become a ghoul. But she's still got her normal mind, she's not feral.
So, what? She got nuked juuust enough to expose her to ghoul-making radiation, but not enough to obliterate her, but enough to make her instantly feral? And then she was captured and kept for years for... some reason?
Like I said, it's not a plot-hole, it's not impossible - but it is clearly the scene that's important, not the stuff that would have to happen for the scene to occur.
ghouls turn feral randomly she probably gradually went feral
You just don’t seem to understand how ghouls work. It’s random if you’re feral or not, yes over time an intelligent ghoul can go feral but most are just feral from the start. Also it’s random if you become a ghoul at all or simply die from radiation. So theres no set in stone process of how it always goes down, its not small doses of radiation tube you into a ghoul over time which then over time without drugs makes you feral. Its much more up in the air and different for each individual instance, and again usually ghouls are feral ghouls from the get go.
nta but i think ghoulification leading to feral ghouls is caused by exposure to heavy radiation.
Remove ghouls from heavy radiation and they are less likely to turn.
In the games ferals are usually seen sleeping in highly irradiated areas and the game says its caused by their brain rotting due to radiation
Well yeah but the degree of radiation and amount of exposure time that cause a nonferal, a feral, or death from radiation seems to be a case by case basis. So a nuke hitting shady sands resulting in Lucy’s mom becoming a feral ghoul somehow is just how her particular instance of ghoulification went down, there’s no for sure way it has to happen.
the initial ghoulification into a ghoul is random, either death or ghoul.
But feral ghouls are pretty consistently ghouls that hang around radiation too much over long periods of time.
Immediately going feral IS a thing, that’s where you guys aren’t understanding it. The vast majority of ghouls (the hoards of them) you find in the games aren’t some nonferal ghouls who decided to just take a nap near some nuclear waste and whoops become fully feral, they are humans who got radiation from the heavily radiated areas you find them in and went straight from human to feral ghouls. Most ghouls are feral off the bat, that’s why feral ghouls are more common than non ferals and why you find piles of them near radiated areas. Becoming a nonferal ghoul is what happens to a lucky few and they still have the risk of becoming feral over time and I don’t think it happens from more radiation as ghouls are immune to radiation, it seems to just be their brain degrading over time where as ferals got hit hard enough their brains were degraded right away and even then they still became ghouls and “survived” where most people just die from radiation. Too much radiation causes 1. Death, most common 2. Feral Ghoul, rarer but common enough 3. Nonferal ghoul, rare lucky few who are immune to radiation now but can go feral over time (the show adds that drugs can keep them from going feral).
nah its not.
Step 1 You get exposed to radiation
Step 2 you start to turn
Step 3 you are a ghoul but still can act human
Step 4 prolonged exposure you lose your mind
Step 5 you are a zombie
This makes no sense. Why do we find like 10-30 ghouls laying around radiated areas in the games who wake up and attack you? The only way you get that is if they were humans that upon radiation exposure “died” and became feral ghoul zombies. The other option you’re proposing is humans hang out at these radiated areas start to turn into ghouls and just keep hanging out around the toxic waste drums lay down and take a nap and become feral. No, the majority of feral ghouls were simply feral upon becoming ghouls in the first place or we wouldn’t have literal piles of feral ghouls scattered around these irradiated areas, they’d have left and lived as non feral even briefly and not be found as hoards of zombies the way they are.
put it this way if you are turned into a ghoul by heavy radiation in an area and you stay im that area.
You will smoothly transition from step 1 to 5 in a relatively short time because the degradation of your mind and body is consistent.
So yeah you see large numbers of pre-war ghouls that just gradually turned into ferals over weeks of being near ground zero.
Ghouls arent bothered by radiation so intelligent Ghouls may find themselves frequently not caring about being exposed or even seek out jobs that require them, putting them at risk
it makes perfect sense you are just a tard baby. Your reply makes no fricking sense.
People don't die then get turned into feral ghouls
You have never played the games if you think every feral ghoul you find was once a nonferal. The way in which you find ghouls laying around 90% of the time is in mass groups near radiated areas, as if several people died from radiation exposure there on the spot. These are not thinking ghouls hanging out near nuclear waste barrels turning feral together for fun.
you are an idiot
of course they were dumbass we literally have audio tapes of people going from human to ghoul to feral
You straight up sound intellectually disabled are you esl?
People dont hang out turning into ferals.
They are people caught up in the great war
Ok, so she can turn into a feral ghoul instantly because of the bomb. Why the frick would they capture her and keep her for years? To taunt the father? She didn't know the code.
Was she "normal" at first but turned feral and they just couldn't bring themselves to kill her? Seems like a shitty way to treat someone.
They could have thrown in a line or two about why she was there in the first place - other than to visually explain what happened to her and to give Lucy some closure.
The Cold Fusion woman was friends with her so kept her around.
It's not a great reason but it's a reason.
Yeah, again - it can all be explained, it's not a plot hole. But it's sort of weird when you think about it.
She could at least have gone "I wanted your father to face the results of his actions!" or something.
she kept her around so that the writers can have their dramatic reveal payoff.
kino tbh
Moldaver has some affection for her and kept her “alive” to see the dream of cold fusion realized together, that’s why Moldaver puts her hand on Lucy’s moms and says something like “we did it” at the end. Yes it’s fricked up and cruel to keep Lucy’s mom “alive” in such a state but that’s the fricked up reason, it was pretty obvious. Lucy puts her mom out of her misery of course but Moldaver kept her around just to have that moment of seeing the plan through til the end together.
Moldaver's character is about not being able to let go. She's clinging to her idea of how to perfect the world in exactly the same way she tried before the bombs fells, even though the wasteland's problems aren't going to be solved by the electrical grid coming back online with unlimited energy, they'd be fine with just some fusion reactors. As part of that she also had trouble letting go of her friend/maybe lover who turned ghoul, keeping her around until her goal is completed. That happens all the time with people who are dying so to see it happen in a world where ghouls can keep themselves from going feral with drugs certainly makes sense, she might have thought she could find a cure initially and then deluded herself to keep her around.
I'm pretty sure Fallout 4 expanded on some of the nittygritty in a few places. Ghouls were actually a pre-war phenomena - nuclear energy was fricking everywhere, so it makes sense that the occasional accident would see people receiving ghoul-levels of radiation. Valentine's quest suggests that pre-war folk had worked out a consistent (but not widely known) method of ghoulification without (immediately) going feral. There also seems to be a genetic component to it, because you run across families that all ghoulified without going feral. So it's not as simple as exposure levels, although it's certainly implied that the more your brain gets fricked up (in the initial stages?), the more likely you are to go feral (and/or progress to being a feral at a quicker rate).
i dont think immediately going feral is a thing
According to the wiki.
>Camp Searchlight is one such example, with an attack that transformed a majority of the NCR troopers stationed there into ghouls. Camp Searchlight also emphasizes the fact that the nature of the transformation may lead to mental problems. The trauma of transformation can cause a mental breakdown in the victim, causing a rapid degeneration of higher thought processes, causing them to become feral.
So not instantly turning feral, but pretty fast.
thats that place drenched in radiation, of course thats going to make ferals
You can become a ghoul from radiation and shady sands was hit with a nuke. It’s not always a slow process necessarily.
Here’s a big plot hole: If Lucy’s mom left the Vault and took her and her brother and Hank went and got the kids back how does no one else in Vault 33 seem to be aware that this happened? I can buy Lucy was so young and has forgotten it but there’s plenty of people Hanks age and older who should be aware Lucy and her bro and Hank have all been to the surface and have no reason to hide that’s when/how her mom died and stuff. No reason it’s a secret.
they know it happened that Lucy moms escaped
“Your mom left and got herself killed she even took you and your brother, thank god your father got you both back and you don’t have permanent damage to your radiation levels” instead it’s a big secret kept from Lucy, why? Why was she left in the dark about this?
why do scheming Vault execs in a conspiracy lie to vault dwellers
>3 people disappear from the wee little vault
>another person disappears from wee little vault
>3 of the 4 suddenly reappear much much later
>somehow only evil vault-tec execs were aware of all this happening?
This. This is what I’m getting at. Sure Hank would keep it a secret and maybe other vault 31 people but the whole vault hanks age and older is aware Lucy and her brother and Hank have been to the surface and there’s no good reason not to just tell them that’s how their mom died and they’re lucky Hank saved them.
how are we still talking about this shit? it's neither good nor bad enough to care about more than a couple days
People really like the Fallout universe but it’s sadly mishandled a lot. The show has some interesting stuff going on but also some really stupid shit so there’s enough reason to wish it were better and complain about why it isn’t,
WAITING FOR YOU TO COME HOME IS HARDER THAN YOU KILLING CHINAMEN IN ALASKA
How did Lucy know that Maximus was a Knight? She came from a Vault and didn’t know anything about the BoS.
because he said IM KNIGHT TIDUS OF THE BROTHERHOOD OF SNEED
STAND DOWN OR BE CUT DOWN
(you gotta be shitting me)
>guy in big shiny armor shows up and does a heroic intervention
>how did she know he was a knight
I hope we see Caeser and the Legion in season 2.
they better have a chicom scene in season 2.
Like a Mama Dolces
So how did the Hollywood Forever cult leader manage to get into a Cryo Vault?
she snuck in
She might be working for vault tec. The people in cryo were included ranking people. Or she could have bribed someone, impersonated someone, snuck in, falsified some papers, etc.
She would have to be certain that she would be let out though. Maybe she planned that too, maybe it was coincidence.
she might have stole/built a crypod and hid it in her own shelter somewhere
Walt Goggins being lecture to by an Indian woman. I hate DEI.
but it led to funny situations like his wife being a Black and shes also head of the evil conspiracy
Michael Emerson was wasted to only be in one episode.
agreed
Also agree. On the exact opposite side: I was happy that Rappaport only got one episode/scene. For a second there I thought we were going to end up with another Justified situation where he sticks around as the most unbelievable and annoying antagonist ever, wasting airtime.
>Lucy blows her mums brains out just like Cooper blew his Ghoul friend's brain out
bravo nolan
>theres my little killer
i don't know. i refuse to watch it because of all the Black folk.
you are valid
I want to breed Stephanie
i liked it. i didn't like how the advertisers said NCR wasnt in it then the last episode had NCR. i tried to look up the main girl's ethnicity and couldn't find anything beyond english.
i didn't like how maximus was picked on and then once he got into the power armor it was his turn to pick on people. it really shows the fundamental flaw with putting nerds in power: they are really just waiting for their turn to twist the knife
it was just a very straightforward hazing culture.
they haze all the recruits then the knights act like buttholes
To me there was no difference between the knight and the recruit besides the armour
Paladin Danse should be in this flick
He's gay too
He did, but it was about relatively minor stuff ("clean this"), and he then quickly went on to bond with the new squire, talk to him more casually, and then reveal his secret. It came across as his starting off riding the high, but then quickly coming back down to Earth.
I think a lot of that was just acting like a dick like Titus so Thaddeus wouldn't suspect it was someone else, he tries to do what he thinks are noble things when left to his own devices like saving Lucy and the (he didn't know at the time) chickenfricker
Season 2 needs to cast Timothy Olyphant as a rival for The Ghoul
How did the goul sneak into the room with all the power armor suits in the middle of the battle and under the nose of the NCR?
How did Lucy find Maximus stranded in his power armor after the tracking device with the head had already been gone for a while?
How come nobody shoots the goul while he just stands there and talks? Or while he's walking away after killing your son?
Why would a guy nuke a whole town just to kill his wife?
Why is it so important to have cold fusion?And how do they have the abilities to use it without having any ability to use any other power source before that like solar?
I could keep going but this isn't enough for now.
Was I the only one who kept waiting for a twist during one of Maximus' flashbacks? At one time he reacts like he's gonna be sick.
I thought we'd see the power armor guy try to shoot him or shoot some survivors behind him or some other awful thing. We saw the same fricking 8 seconds several times and it had no payoff.
Yeah I expected some revelation where the power armour guy was killing his parents or something like that and then put him in a child soldier camp where he got bullied and shit, and he'd spent all that time trying to become a squire/knight just to frick the system up from within. There was a line in the first episode where he talks to the leader that also made me think he meant the exact opposite of loving the Brotherhood, but I can't remember the line. I guess all we were really supposed to take away from the constant flashbacks to him seeing the power armour for the first time was to see how obsessed he is about it, it being a symbol of safety and survival and that's why he didn't want to abandon it until he fell in love and she told him to?
“To hurt the people who hurt me” yeah I was also expecting him to secretly hate the brotherhood and be planning to betray them for what they did or something.
he pretty much is not a BoS for half the series he just acts as a deserter, prepared to kill other bos
The Eldar says YES ITS BAD YOU WANT TO KILL OTHER BOS YOU ARE PROMOTED!
>“To hurt the people who hurt me”
Yeah, that's right, I thought the same thing. They don't know who dropped the bomb on Shady Sands, who else would he be talking about?
I'm guessing they might be keeping it vague, so they can have a reveal in S2 if they want.
The eldar has shown himself to be a deluded butthole who respects people who take what they want by force. He wants to hurt his brothers? People around him seem to get hurt which ends up helping him? That's bad, but it's exactly the kind of person I want for my splinter group.
why the frick did they use widescreen for this? just a desperate attempt to appear cinematic? it does not work at all.
anon it is 2024 hd happened everything is widescreen now
you know what I mean dickhead
it's fun watching people try to explain and justify the dumbass writing in the show only to expose more holes lmao
I'll expose your holes, frogposter
the chicken rapist was the most powerful ally I would have had him in my party.
I would have let him join my gang so I could steal his +10 charisma suit and hat, then I'd kick him to the curb.
not before asking him to make you super strong and invulnerable with a serum
>wanting to become a mutie
Absolutely disgusting.
its funny because the Enclave invented serums
>trusting a man who you know is wearing charisma gear
lol
lmao
SO YOU WANNA EXPLODE MY wiener
What exactly happened in vault 32? Why didn't they all leave?
They had the crop failure which made them desperate, they found out what was going on with vault 31 (which explains the writings on the wall). And we see that they killed each other, everyone was dead when Moldaver arrived. But why the frick didn't they leave? Did vault 31 force-lock their door? If that was possible, it might have been handy to do in other occasions.
My guess is that their father was complicit in locking them out and letting them die.
The vault 32 scene was an Event Horizon reference right? The big dude even said "We're leaving"
At first I thought it was an experiment by 31, where they purposely make their crop fail and then only the strongest will survive.
Well, there was that video of the rats where they stated, that if the rats got everything they needed they would become lazy and end up turning on each other.
So 31 could either have given them all they needed and watch them turn on each other, or they could have spread the crop plague in order to make the dwellers tougher through hardship.
Still no real explanation as to why they didn't/couldn't escape or how they found out about 31's plan.
>how they found out about 31's plan
With the way the overseer was tied up with glue next to the body I assumed torture was involved, after they got pissed off enough at their Overseer not opening the doors to their brother-vaults, dooming them to starve due to the crop failure. Then they knew the surface was survivable and tried to get out but ended up starving instead.
>With the way the overseer was tied up with glue next to the body I assumed torture was involved
They fixed him up to look like Vault-Boy
>Maximus shoulda said Tidus got killed by a bear
>Shoulda told Thaddeus, Tidus got killed by a bear
>Shoulda stayed and eaten oysters in vault 4
>shoulda died to Hank punching him
Shitty writing friend. The fact that they didn't kill Maxiumus on the spot, was ridiculous. Dane the troony then saying that she hurt herself, not Maximus (as if anyone BoS gives a frick) in her hormone washed voice.
a troony mutilating herself for no reason is scarily realistic
It was, but the writers must have thought it was really something.
>Tidus
I don't watch films and series with nig nogs in leading roles.
Every pip boy has a Geiger counter but not a single click from any of the raiders of 32. I guess we have to assume they did a full cleanse with radaway?
Monty's rad levels set off Lucy's pipboy, so probably not.
You have to switch the geiger counter on, like we saw her do. Otherwise you would be hearing it go off 24/7 as soon as she reaches the surface and it would just be wasting power while in the vault that they don't expect to have any rad problems in.
Oh in the games it is always on
I've always just assumed it was a setting that the player character left on in the games for gameplay reasons, but that you could switch off just like any other Geiger counter.
>surface dwellers masquerading as vault dwellers caused the death of many of my companions
>discovered their ploy using my pipboy's geigercounter
>never thought to use the very device that saved her life previously ever again other than to test a tiny bucket of irradiated water that one time
>entered another vault and get foiled by surface dwellers masquerading as vault dwellers again
fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice...
when Max says
>im a knight
in that moron way its fricking hilarious
Is "everyone is just meandering around the whole of Los Angeles county, but always seem to cross paths with the same 3 NPCs" a plothole?
the rng encounters break in bethesda games
>watch out Lucy its die antwoord
>we cant have hot tomboys in shows anymore
>we get literal trooners
Worst future
>think you're going to get a c**tboy as your squire
>ready to make use of that hole every night while on patrol, your own personal comfort brother
>at the last minute get an ugly black guy instead
No wonder Titus was so pissed off.
Why did they recolonize Vault 32?
Same reason they had two vaults to begin with. Redundancy. If one gets fricked up or finds out the truth you've still got the other one.
Even 200 years later, people are very loyal to Vault Tec protocols.
inb4 the fat guy and the twink guy become the Overseers after overthrowing the Vault-tec execs
Kek
why do people seemingly have to try so hard to explain so many things? was the writing that bad?
Yes, it is.
>was the writing that bad?
It was worse than bad, this thread hasn't even gotten into the villain's moronic plan
>villain's moronic plan
which is?
Nuking the world to win at capitalism and make money
I am not joking
wat
Yeah that was my reaction as well
Introducing pre-war gays into the mix with suspended animation and immortality juice was a mistake. Especially seeing as how much difficulty the likes of House, the Big MT scientists, and ghouls all had to go through to achieve similar longevity.
The brain in the box guy was absolutely cringe. The writers were really swinging for that Marvel-esque comedy, like they wanted it to be Deadpool. I just wanted it to end.