Ending the game of thrones between houses, giving neglected and common people some role in the new world, etc.. These main themes played out with John Snow and Daenerys through the whole series, and then it goes to shit with her torching common people and Snow just going back to nothing and the world with no steady future in sight. What's the point? What purpose does Bran Stark play in all of this too? Is he going to even have heirs?
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>Is this really how Martin expected to end it?
No. Faegon will sit the throne and finally restore the proper Targaryen line to power. Daeron was actually a bastard you see. He was the illegitimate son of Prince Aemon the Dragonknight. Daemon was clearly the heir as indicated by his father giving him Blackfyre; the sword of kings.
>gaygon
kekekekkekeke what does he mean by that ?
nice head canon
Martin fricking loved the show ending, are you kidding me? Got a live action example of what not to do, while the Internet was flooded with what should of happened. Ol' Martin was sitting back laughing at D&D while making cliffnotes about how to end his books. He never has not will he ever consider the TV show apart of his story. He lent it out for some cash, people fricked up the IP, and now the demand for a true ending is higher than it would of been if people enjoyed the way the show ended.
>should of
I fricked you're mom and sister in there poopshoots
I prefer your GoT headcanon
Was that reply suppose to make sense?
it should of
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You expect someone to actually read books when they make comments like that, but they can't use the correct grammar. It's proof that they don't read anything of value.
Yes, yes, well done George Martin, well done indeed...
HOWEVER
YOU STILL HAVE TO ACTUALLY FRICKING WRITE AN ENDING BEFORE IT CAN BE A *BETTER* ENDING
he said, calmly, as he tore the cooked chicken's breast open and started stuffing it into his mouth, greedily holding out his hand for his cup to be re-filled.
I'm liking the theory that he finished it already, and won't let it get released until he's dead, just to spite the people that b***h at him about it every day.
Would be funny but it’s more believable that his clusterfrick of a story just isn’t finished
Meh, it's the only way this series actually ever gets finished that makes any logical sense. If he seriously hasn't finished the impending next book then it truly is hopeless.
Preston is writing it and will save us.
Idk, to me, when someone else has to take it over, it just becomes another product. GRRM's autism is both the reason it exists like it does and the reason it's not finished.
I do know the circumstances of the show and all, and him being rich with no worries, would likely kill my own muse for a thing. That shit is so finicky.
it is hopeless. it's literally not going to ever be finished because GRRM doesn't care and the show demoralized people to the extent that very few people are invested in the world anymore.
>he still believes in the Book That Was Promised
lol
lmao
>while making cliffnotes about how to end his books
Bless you for thinking that he will ever finish it.
If this was true he would have written an ending already. But he can't because the show was his ending and everyone hated it. So now he needs to adjust 1000 of things to make it work.
>the show was his ending and everyone hated it.
>they cut out easily 50% of the already published material cause they didn't like it
It's most likely a truncated version of the major points of his ending that they could still use minus the characters and plotlines they cut out. For instance, if the other Targaryen had gotten to the throne before Dany and the people embraced him, her going on some rampage makes a bit more sense.
The show torched the reputation of the universe. I lost all interest in ASOIAF despite having followed it for a decade and didn’t even watch past season 5 (when it started to get dogshit).
Besides the truth is that Martin doesn’t know how to finish his series, he opened way too many plot lines (like Arya going to Essos or the Huron Greyjoy stuff) and he only knows how to end them by killing the characters which gets old really fast and feels forced narratively after some time.
I don't feel this way tbqh I still like the books that are out and have been listening to the audiobooks on long drive the last couple of years. I also like the setting and really enjoy games set in it (or mods like AGOT for CK2/3 and ACOK for M&B)
It was kinda hot though, at least for her victims hahaha.
>These main themes played out with John Snow and Daenerys through the whole series, and then it goes to shit with her torching common people and Snow just going back to nothing and the world with no steady future in sight.
Did you miss all the subversion of expectations and the major series theme of "prophecy is bullshit" running through everything? Drogo and his kid, the red wedding, etc?
I understand that too, but I'm not talking about prophecy. Just literary themes. It's one thing to defy expectations, but they could have at least fulfilled those main themes through other characters. They didn't even do that. They just trashed it all and wasted my whole time. Probably why many ended up pissed.
D&D botched it by just being in a rush to go get fired by Disney, they cut out easily 50% of the already published material cause they didn't like it, there's no real telling how all the things they cut may or may not play into how it gets to whatever major points GRRM told them.
Martin stopped giving a shit about this story the minute he got his money. He could not give less of a frick about this gay world for homosexual dweebs.
I get the sense GRRM has only vague ideas on how to end it and still probably hasn’t entirely committed to any of them. I wonder who it is he killed off that he said he needed to end the story. Maybe Jojen or Beric
>I get the sense GRRM has only vague ideas on how to end it and still probably hasn’t entirely committed to any of them
I think the common idea, which sounds reasonable, is that he had a vague idea of the whole story, including the ending, once he started the series. Then he went full moron and bloated the story to such dimensions that he doesn't have a clue on how to proceed anymore. That's why he isn't writing the books anymore -- he can't come up with coherent ideas where to go from here without just ditching loads of built-up areas or characters.
He probably had ideas something like "yeah, this jon snow kid is a bastard but actually a hidden prince and will destroy the evil with the help of a magical half-brother kid but not before being betrayed by a loved one in a very bitter manner" or something. Now he might still want to go there but is unable to, and hasn't got the slightest clue how to tie all the stories together in a satisfying manner.
He is a hack and will never resume the books ever again.
If it ever did get finished which it likely wont, I suspect Daenerys would still end up blowing up a good portion of Kings landing but it would likely be due to accidentally setting off the wild fire caches.
But of course the consensus would still be that its all her fault and thus people would hate her without the need for the moronic heel turn of burning randos for no discernible reason
In my CK2mod playthrough she got the shits and died in Essos and Jon Snow stole her dragon after accepting Stannis' offer of lordship of Winterfell. This is more or less still on the table canon wise.
>accidentally setting off the wild fire caches.
I forget did they just find the ones under the dragonpit and it’s implied there’s still a bunch all over the city that Jaime for some reason never reported
If King's Landing has to burn I feel like Cersei is the most likely culprit.
Coldhands is the repentant Night's King
Jon Snow will re-establish the treaty with the Others by taking his place
Sam's horn is the Horn of Winter and will take down the Wall
Daenerys participates in the new War for the Dawn
Griff is a Blackfyre and will take KL while Dany is distracted up North
When she arrived in KL she'll gind Griff being celebrated as the hero who took down Cersei, lose her mind at being usurped and burn it all down
Jon Nissa Nissas her
Not sure who will be king but GRRM won't have Bran sit the iron throne
Bran makes no sense as king but where would D&D have got such an absurd idea from if not from something GRRM had said?
He never expected to end it. The final trope he subverted: finishing the story.
What was the prostitute's tax policy?
>Is this really how Martin expected to end it?
far as I know he did tell the dabids the broad strokes of what his endgame was (and it's been confirmed that things like sacrificing Shireen and what "Hodor" means came from him), but at the same time the dabids rewrote a lot of shit from early seasons and removed a ton of characters and plots that become more relevant in latter books. so the dabids had to manufacture an ending given balancing what they knew and what they didn't have anymore
Well, you see the Book of Revelation ends with John tripping out on the Holy Spirit after being boiled alive as it explains to him how what everyone else thought was God was secretly a super overpowered prostitute Demon that was tricking real people into slavery so she could continue pretending to be pretty and live in heaven. Then the Holy Spirit tells John that God is so mighty He will destroy her in one day. GRRM took that personally and decided to take 6 books and 30 years.
The books are going to end with Jon Snow sitting on the Iron Throne but his body is controlled by Bran. Hence King Bran.
pic rel should 100% have happened
Jaime is going to be hanged very early in Winds (if it comes out) by Lady Stoneheart.
>Lady Stoneheart
what was GRRM thinking with this character
just edgy and pointless
because we need the le epic red wedding 2.0 where lady stoneheart murders all the freys (which totally won’t lessen the impact of the original red wedding)
who fricking cares about the freys
they're bastards but they even got cucked by baelish being given harrenhal and will have a massive stigma surrounding their house foe generations
they're pointless in the grand scheme of things
There’s a chance that the Freys take over the Westerlands through Genna Lannister-Frey, Tywin’s sister. Her husband took over Riverrun if you remember. It may be poetic irony for Tywin, who cared so much about his bloodline, for Walder Frey’s offspring to take the Lannister name and rule Casterly Rock. But they’ll all just die in the next red wedding anyways.