Is this the best samurai movie?
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Is this the best samurai movie?
Is this the best samurai movie?
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Not even close.
yes
ran is #2
which of the 6 films?
>which of the 6 films?
Yes.
The odd numbered ones are better than the even numbered ones imo, though the even ones have more action and violence.
Watched all of these and they are almost identical.
add Sword of the Stranger, Ninja Scroll and Afro-Samurai if you added an anime
ok reddit we wont do that here ok
I've seen the top row, Rashomon and Mononoke (Sanjuro to but that's not on here). Which is the best to watch next?
The Twilight Samurai.
>The Twilight Samurai.
>won like a shitload of jAcademy Awards
>described as a "Samurai epic as a touching drama" and "absolutely brilliant...but in a quiet way."
I mean, is this a serious film or just oscar bait? I don't have any interest in a highly visual film that goes for melodrama or despair over genuine tension which has been my experience for films made after, say, The English Patient. One of the things that I love about Harakiri is that it's extremely stressful and the characters are so well rendered that, even though nobody calls out anyone else, you still know that they know what the other guy is doing. Every scene is extremely complex without being complicated, and that's the kind of movie I prefer to watch. Is that what I can expect from Twilight Samurai?
It's a serious film. I watched it a few months ago, it's a slow burn movie, it's a very calm movie. There's nothing in it that said it was Oscar bait. If you don't know what the Twilight part comes from, it's not just a cool name for a badass Samurai. He's in the Twilight of his life, he's slowing down. It's more of a character study. You might be bored of it if you're expecting a lot of action or intense scenes.
>You might be bored of it if you're expecting a lot of action or intense scenes.
I just don't want to watch a movie where somebody stares at a pond for 20 minutes and you're supposed to supply your own meaning, that's all. I don't give a frick about "badass Samurai"
Then you'll like Twilight Samurai.
okay...I'll give it a shot, but can I have a plan B from before 1990 in case it's not for me?
I mean, I guess watch anything else that was said in the thread for your plan B. And that c**t's review is a made up fallacy. He's not a pussy he's just dealing with shit in his life.
I've seen the movie and don't remember any feminist shit. Keep in mind these dead-egg post-Wallers always include this shit into their reviews because it's all they can think about
Watch Sekigahara if you want a modern samurai movie that's less of a drama.
>if you want a modern samurai movie
I don't really. I wasn't even asking for that, I just have more reservations about trying films produced past a certain general year. That was around the same time that Japan was making movies with an eye towards international distribution in America, and almost every time a foreign studio does that, they intentionally make it stupider because that's what they think of Americans. That's essentially what I was saying when people suggested a movie from 2002.
Fate spinner is the coolest I want more esoteric stuff in samurai movies
I love that shit, especially the dream sequence in Kagemusha.
It sounds so otherworldly and is an element of classical storytelling so I agree, its great
don't watch it, you're a homosexual obsessed with looking up critic reviews on rotten tomatoes, you won't be able to appreciate it, it will be wasted on you. I think something like Everything everywhere all at once might be more your speed.
you're a big guy
I see. You are a child.
>I see. You are a child.
No, I've just learned the hard way to be careful about anything that came out after 1) International distribution became a major thing in the film industry, 2) feminism started making major in-roads in that industry, causing studios to try and destratify genres that traditionally were more popular with one sex over the other 4) "Independent film" became a genre rather than a classification and 5) The "blockbuster" film became a catch all for every major studio release and films designed to garner award consideration started being made to fill a slot in the major cineplexes that had more than 3 screens.
>No
You clearly are. Bad enough you actually asked if a japanese movie is "oscar bait" but your definition of "being careful" is looking up reviews on rottentonatos if movies you haven't watched. Be better.
They have Academy Awards in Japan and this movie won 12 of those. I included that because a feminist liked it which had me concerned, so I posted it hoping someone would come in and drop a line about what the specific appeal of the movie was instead of just making it personal, which is what a moron does. I don't usually consult morons when I'm looking for film suggestions, but I don't know a person is a moron until they say something moronic.
So you're just a triggered moron. Pass up on this movie and just rewatch Die Hard.
Holy shit, go to film school. You don't even have to study anymore, just dress like a homosexual and desaturate everything and you'll be valedictorian, I promise.
Stop posting, you expose yourself as an imbecile with each post.
What's the bug up your ass? Like what specifically are you defending here? You've strawmanned me twice and been a huge homosexual who's obviously extremely invested in coming across as sophisticated. If you actually knew what the frick you were talking about you would have something concrete to say about this film.
>Like what specifically are you defending here?
Nothing. I'm just calling you a dumbass. You really can't help yourself, can you? Just move on, child.
I'm staying until you give me 50 pushups, homosexual
Hilarious.
I hope you don't think I'm the dickhead.
Ignore that c**t who you're arguing with.
He's acting like a child even after you told him all that. He still wants you to talk about a movie he has not seen because he read some dumb review on rotten tomatoes so now you have to convince him to watch this movie as if you're getting something for it. We're all here to have fun and share good movies, if he wants to be a c**t then frick him and frick you too if you continue to act like some pansy ass moron. He doesn't wanna watch it, his loss. No point in trying to convince someone to watch a movie he's already made his mind up that he'll hate before watching a single second of it.
there's such a thing as vetting recommendations, anon. You can take it personally or you can actually share some specifics about Twilight Samurai that you like and which would inspire you to recommend it.
This
is enough. Just watch the damn movie for yourself instead of shitting yourself and asking to be spoonfed and looking up fricking reviews. What's next, pausing a movie halfway though and making a thread on Cinemaphile about it? Making a thread after watching it and asking others how you should feel about it?
I think you probably spend too much time on this board, anon.
I spend too much time on your mom.
I bet my mom could beat up your dad.
Your mom sucks the soul out of a man's dick so I'm sure she could beat him after sucking the life out of him.
>Your mom sucks the soul out of a man's dick so I'm sure she could beat him after sucking the life out of him.
Actually plausible, anon
Yeah, obviously I have no idea. I'm not trying to criticize a film that I haven't even seen, I was just trying to get a sense of what type of movie it is, that's it. I probably shouldn't have posted the roasty's review.
>Gate Of Hell
Cool title, pretty colors but the movie is really really boring
>momonoke
Lmao
Taboo and Demons are underrated samurai movies
Cool infographic.
I liked the Harakiri 2011 remake better than the original, and I won't apologize.
Nah that's fair. It's got a good twist on the original
Got any similar chart for other genres?
Yojimbo might be Kurosawa's best film. It's hard to think of a film that gets everything right, esepcially until he gets captured its hard to find any mistake in that movie or even a boring part. Has humor, action, honor, histoircal interest, some unforgettable scenes. Great film
>some tasteless gay's guide to samurai cinema
ftfy
So all of those movies aren't any good?
Not a single one.
Copeshitter
>Missing the best one
Not even the best Gosha movie
What is then?
What are then?
>What is then?
Tenchu!
Nobody cares about muh acting
>includes anime at the end
>no Sword of the Stranger or Ninja Scroll
you're missing out on some serious animekino
Loved most of these but Samurai Rebellion is so incredibly boring.
Agreed, same with Samurai Assassin.
Ummm where is the Last Samurai?
Ran is based
>Basedmurai cinema
One of the best, yes.
I like Sanjuro the most but i still think 7 Samurai is the best
Yojimbo is great too of course
both sanjuro and yojimbo are slowly becoming some of my favorite movies of all time, i genuinely cannot find a single thing i don't like about either movie. There's always things i can nitpick about any of my favorite movies, slow moments i skip, but every time i come back to both these movies i sit there and im glued to my seat. I watch them one after the other every time.
Might check out 7 samurai.
I need to check out Sanjuro because I feel this way exactly about Yojimbo. The pacing is immaculate.
Exceptionally good, and great to slip into marathons of Kurosawa's heyday films.
>Kurosawa
I sleep
My point is that Harakiri is basically about the end of the age of samurai, whose institution has been corrupted by financial hierarchies instead of a spiritual allegiance to the emperor and commitment to bushido. It's a good counterpoint to Hidden Fortress in particular.
tfw you walk into NASA, pretend to be an astronaut and then they start suiting you up to go to Pluto for 50 years drinking nothing but your own piss the whole time.
no, Demons is
but Harakiri is the second best
40 hours of Zatoichi is the best Samurai film.
I like them but some of them are hard to find unless you buy the whole thing
I bought the whole thing and #26. I just finished it yesterday, I watched them all this month. They're all so fricking good, I don't even care if some of them are derivative. I now need to watch the newest from 2003.
One of them, yes. My favorite is Yojimbo.
>Ran
>all of the horses on the poster are still in the process of running
why would Kurosawa lie like this?
>why would Kurosawa lie like this?
MY LORD, IT IS FINISHED. PREPARE TO LIE
They used to run. They're still running but they used to too.
Yasaburo death made me laugh. It just so sudden and out of nowhere
Spoiler that shit moron
What everyone know how King Lear ends
What is the horror movie that was an anthology and one of the stories had a guy who was going to be killed by a demon so he seeks help and they write protection all over him but forget to do his ears?
KWAIDAN. Kino movie
Hara Kiri > Ran
Japanese can't act lol
The older the movie the more awful the acting
>The older the movie the more awful the acting
no
You mean the older it is, the more authentically Japanese the acting is. You need to understand that Japan has been extremely westernised in recent decades and your idea of "bad acting" in Japanese cinema is when they conform too much to weird Japanese social behaviour.
>doesn't understand Japanese acting
This is probably bait but its like an over dramatized play especially with some of the women. If you dont get it then just move along, you'll be missing some great stuff but thats just how it goes.
harakiri is commie shit
ran is the greatest film ever made
Ran is really good. High and Low is more of a commie film than Harakiri, though
probably my favourite death scene of all time
Need to watch Harakiri first but
>ran is the greatest film ever made
Based (agreeable)
Is this the 4K where they fixed the colors?
Yes it is the latest version of it. Had my wife get it for me for Christmas
>fixed the colors?
What's this? I have the movie on basic blu-ray.
Not him but there's a version where the transfer isn't done properly resulting in some washed out colors. They redid it. The bluray one you have may be the bad one but I'm not sure and don't have time to research again atm. You could be fine.
Top to bottom:
2009 Studio Canal, capture bluray.
2016 Studio Canal bluray, made from a 4K master.
2021 Studio Canal 4K release.
The "correct" colors are the last two, also comparison doesn't do the picture quality of the 4K justice.
2016 bluray
I got the 2009/2010 Studio Canal blu-ray. Looks like I will re-buy it sometime.
>darker is... le good
I haven't seen the movie. Is it supposed to be a night scene?
The 2009 release is allegedly a dvd upscale and the saturation is blown way up. The other two are taken from a film print.
I don't think I believe that. When I watched the supposed bad version I thought it looked incredible.
Right, people think the last 2 may be the ones that look washed out but its not on a proper display. It looks good irl on even a basic hdr tv.
See what I mean?
To be fair I fricked up my left eye looking at Jupiter and Saturn so that may be coloring my views, pun intended.
I find this hard to believe
what?
Every shitty BD release gets teal filtered, but that one is supposedly his original vision when it looks worse?
idk, ask Michael Mann
Also, just realized he's my dad's age, wonder if my dad would enjoy Thief.
People just don't understand displays it does not look like that when you watch it on a good display and times that it does, like the original T2 transfer and iirc mad max people flip out and they pull it and redo it.
Shits getting bluer. That means its seriouser and darkerer.
Yes.
>It's Blu-ray
>So make it Blu
Why do they do this?
>finally, a thread where I can flex my mental illness
Boredom during covid lockdown resulted in me purchasing a ton of Samurai films.
Ask me anything.
if someone has watched 0 films of that genre, what movies and in what order would you recommend watching?
Sanjuro, easily the most digestible for somebody who knows nothing about the genre. Yojimbo is probably second.
Kagemusha is probably my second favorite of all of them, behind only Seven Samurai.
Is Kagemusha worth finishing?
if you didn't recognize it as pure kino from the opening scene you need to turn in your kino badge and theater rifle right now.
Throne of Blood is kind of what I think of when I think of a good start. Maybe I was just expecting it to be Ran again.
Throne of Blood is great, but I could see the fatespinner scene and a few other things turning off Samurai-virgins.
I still have a soft spot for when his films are smaller in scale. I find his two color epics to be some of the most intimidating films I've ever seen, but maybe that's just me.
Ran is a tough one, the Jester character's translation from King Lear to Samurai culture is rather off-putting, and I can see a few other things turning people off.
Kagemusha is dense, which is a selling point for me.
it's just pure kino anon. just fookin look at it.
Tatsuya Nakadai > Toshiro Mifune
fite me
I'll beat your ass.
Nakadai is such a badass. Here he is talking about the old days in the present: damn he's in great shape at such an age, and that powerful voice and personality. A living legend, maybe the last of the Showa greats still around - Mifune, Katsu, Takashi Shimura, Machiko Kyo (she lived very long) all gone.
I watched Men of the Yamato a while back and I was mind boggled it was the same guy who was in Yojimbo as the bad guy, but also Kagemusha. I had no idea the 3 characters were all the same actor, I thought it was 3 seperate people. He also played the villain in the sequel to Yojimbo. I did know he was in Sword of Doom, however. Does anybody know that movie he made recently where he's an old out of shape Samurai that needs to rescue a family member?
>Not finishing Kagemusha
Blasphemy!
Kagemusha is really good but if its too slow for you just watch it in parts
>Ghost Dog
You're missing Ronin and Le Samouraï. The three best Japanese samurai films ever made.
lol, I'll probably add Le Samourai to my collection at some point, also Chinatown. I'm a fan of late 90s action thrillers, is Ronin any good?
>Le Samouraï
I love this movie so much
>Repo Man
Based.
You wouldn't do this would you? Just put DVDs on a shelf in any order?
Sorted by genre, sub-sorted by date.
Aren’t y’all forgetting someone?
> uses the secret ninja art of stealing a car stereo
>he wastes his life replying to everyone in the thread.
Here's the attention you wanted, are you happy?
I am actually
I'm glad something as simple as (You)s on Cinemaphile.org can bring you happiness.
>mass replying autist has shit taste
Somehow, im not even remotely surprised.
yeah I've seen that movie too. it's real good. Not sure what your point is, nor did I ask or care.
One of my favorites along with Rashomon and The Sword of Doom
Sword of Doom is kino but it's only half a movie
>nobody ever brings up Heaven and Earth
If you can find me a Region 1 dvd or Region A blu ray that doesn't cost $80 I'll add it to my collection.
Just pirate it.
it's not the same
It's better because you didn't spend any money.
based physical media chad
To stay on topic, the last "samurai" movies I watched were Kwaidan and the Daimajin trilogy. All were pretty good, although the first Daimajin is probably the best one of the three. Kwaidan is one of the best movies I've ever seen and needs a 4K release.
how many edits is this picture on?
I can't remember much of Le Samourai other than the chase at the end and Alain Delon wanting to frick a negress
The Ken Watanabe remake of Unforgiven is crazy good. It's pretty much 1-1 for the Clint Eastwood film in terms of plot/structure, but late 19th c. Japan is such a fascinating setting, and the grim reflection on what an outlaw gunslinger actually is works pretty well for examining what was left of the Samurai after their fall.
yojimbo is boring and gay
sword of doom, ran, harakiri, and temple of blood are the best ones
i think it's called temple of blood anyway it's something like that
The part in Seven Samurai where Kambei asks if the mountains to the north of the village are passable by horse, and Rikichi excitedly answers yes only for Kambei to grumble in dismay is hilarious to me.
May be my favorite dialogue exchange ever.
the only one ive seen from this thread is 7 samurai
which one next? yoyimbo?
Check out Lone Wolf and Cub, but be warned those are unlike other Samurai movies you will see. So don't get spoiled. Yojimbo and other Kurosawa movies you should check out from the 60's. Work your way up through the years.
No, this is
>Go back in time
>Immediately start fricking with the timeline and killing everyone you see
What did they mean by this?
>Seven Samurai scene where the bros do a small raid on the bandits
>Mifune saves an orphaned baby
>"This baby. It’s me! The same thing happened to me!"
I've probably seen Seven Samurai 10 times, and I always forget about the raid on the bandits, even though it probably has the most shocking scene in the entire film. The villager's wife walking out of the burning building and dying.