If you call fan service and Quentin Tarantino tier homage to no country for old men a filter then yes. The info dump of Gordon Cole suddenly remembering fwwm David Bowie is the funniest shit I've ever seen in a pre recorded production.
>The info dump of Gordon Cole suddenly remembering fwwm David Bowie
This shit was literally in the missing pieces, it was filmed in the early 90s. Nothing wrong with that
it really is mostly random bullshit at the end of the day
there will never be anything like it ever again
Only season 1 is good
>Return is good
Kys
The problem with The Return is that it takes all the bullshit from Fire Walk With Me, and triples down on it. One of the most annoying things about The Return is that there is almost no footage of it, or Twin Peaks in general, on Youtube. If you want to show someone a particular scene from The Return you've got little choice but to pull out the Blu Ray.
Season 1 is good
First half of season 2 is good
Second hand of season 2 is okay for a normal TV show but seems bad in comparison to what preceded it; this is the actual filter because you have to go through so many hours of seeming mediocrity
Season 2 finale is good again
FWWM is good
Return is good
>Second hand of season 2 is okay for a normal TV show but seems bad in comparison to what preceded it; this is the actual filter because you have to go through so many hours of seeming mediocrity
this is where I never got past
Some of it I just had to put on in the background and do something else while I listened to it. It's worth it if you can get through it though. Once you get to the S2 finale it's kino from then onward.
Season 1 is fantastic
First half of season 2 is not very good
Second hand of season 2 is bad
Season 2 finale is great again
FWWM is good
Return is LOL SO RANDUMB XDDDD
first time watching season 2: >what the frick this went to shit
second time watching season 2: >eh now that I know what to expect it's not so bad
3rd time watching season 2: >okay, this is comfy
I think the problem with Fire Walk With Me is that it feels excessive. It feels exploitative. It lacks the charm of the main TV show, and this lack of charm is a problem in The Return, too.
Also, Judy is a massive retcon-filled asspull of a plot device. When FWWM was written, Jeffries rambling about Judy was not actually foreshadowing any of the stuff The Return headcanons into existence.
>I think the problem with Fire Walk With Me is that it feels excessive. It feels exploitative.
I don't know if I agree with that. It's a different sort of story. You know how it's going to end and it's not going to be happy. Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine a lot of women would relate heavily to it. That's what I felt watching it.
>Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine a lot of women would relate heavily to it. That's what I felt watching it.
That is to say, that's how I felt that women would feel. I'm not a woman.
>According to cinematographer Ron Garcia, the film was popular in Japan, in particular with women, as Martha Nochimson wrote in her book on Lynch's work, "he surmises that the enthusiasm of the Japanese women comes from a gratification of seeing in Laura some acknowledgment of their suffering in a repressive society."[59] Released under the title Twin Peaks: The Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer, it was greeted with long lines of moviegoers at theaters.
>Sheryl Lee is very proud of the film, saying, "I have had many people, victims of incest, approach me since the film was released, so glad that it was made because it helped them to release a lot."[19]
I can definitely respect that perspective, anon. But I just find overall FWWM to be very heavy, bleak viewing. Like you say, though, some people find it very relatable.
>When FWWM was written, Jeffries rambling about Judy was not actually foreshadowing any of the stuff The Return headcanons into existence
All of Twin Peaks was written like this. Lynch came up with BOB when they were shooting the pilot cause he thought the crew member who played him looked scary and because he accidentally appeared in a shot in Laura’s room.
The problem with The Return is that it takes all the bullshit from Fire Walk With Me, and triples down on it. One of the most annoying things about The Return is that there is almost no footage of it, or Twin Peaks in general, on Youtube. If you want to show someone a particular scene from The Return you've got little choice but to pull out the Blu Ray.
that roastie reactor who does all the YA shows reacted to the whole revival and showtime nearly got her channel taken down for it, so no one else wants to touch it
The one thing I don't really "buy" about Twin Peaks is the idea of multiple teen prostitutes working at a well known brothel just outside of town with little attempt to conceal their identities. It's not even under the table shit. It's just... well, basically everyone knows.
Honestly, that's the narrative issue with TP. It can't decide episode to episode how in the dark the average person in TP is. Laura Palmer was fricking half of the male and female population of the town. Almost every person she was in regular contact with, including Josie of all people, was fricking her. That's the real reason Josie is cut up about Laura's death. It's almost certainly the reason the school principal is so upset. They were all fricking her. Yet other people, like the sheriff seem to actually be shocked to learn that Laura Palmer was a teenage prostitute with a massive coke habit, as are multiple other teens in the town.
>The one thing I don't really "buy" about Twin Peaks is the idea of multiple teen prostitutes working at a well known brothel just outside of town with little attempt to conceal their identities. It's not even under the table shit. It's just... well, basically everyone knows.
Today it's called Onlyfans
Twin Peaks and Mulholland Drive are both this because they attract midwits who think the whole thing is a puzzle that can be pieced together, but they miss the entire point of both.
The Return has led to the common theory that Laura was never murdered. That she's alive, and dreaming up this elaborate fantasy where she is killed, and a brave FBI man named Dale Cooper comes along and magically solves the crime and brings her tormentors to justice.
That all the stuff in The Return is an increasingly disjointed hallucination. That she's dreaming, but elements of the real world are bleeding into it.
"What year is this?" is believed to be tied to a lucid dreaming device of checking a wristwatch.
The counter-argument of course is that Twin Peaks is easily 50% Mark Frost, so it's important to not assume that just because David Lynch did something in one of his other films that it directly tracks to TP.
I'm actually enjoying it a lot. I like the moronic Cooper thing too. I was a bit worried that if it went on too long I might start getting irritated by it -- it seems like one of those things that would do that -- but it hasn't happened yet.
Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Eddie Vedder recorded a song that plays during the Twin Peaks finale. It confirms Agent Cooper never gets his mind back. (Pic is evil Cooper)
every fricking thread. How the frick can you not watch the dougie scenes and not laugh your head off and also not see what Lynch is doing?
In a way maybe people hating dougie proves his point.
Innocence will save us but everyone wants to be prostitute Laura and not Innocent Laura. Everyone wants Cooper, no one wants Dougie.
yes they are compelled by his innocence. would you let a moron walk into fire? probably not unless you're utterly deranged, that morons innocence would literally compel you to be a better person.
>When this kind of fire starts, it is very hard to put out. The tender boughs of innocence burn first, and the wind rises, and then all goodness is in jeopardy
>Innocence will save us but everyone wants to be prostitute Laura and not Innocent Laura.
frick off u fricking pig. i am baffled you'd find any semblance of this callousness in lynch's works. kys
imagine if The Return was nothing but nostalgia baiting and emulating the old show every single episode. Just desperately trying to be just like Season 1 was.
Nobody would talk about it, it'd be completely forgotten a month after it finished airing, even if they did it well and people came away liking it.
It's a very reliable one. you will grow old, you will die, the perfect girl is N O N E X I S T E N T! This
imagine if The Return was nothing but nostalgia baiting and emulating the old show every single episode. Just desperately trying to be just like Season 1 was.
Nobody would talk about it, it'd be completely forgotten a month after it finished airing, even if they did it well and people came away liking it.
>What happened to Chester Desmond?
It is strongly implied he's stuck in the lodge. He reaches for the ring and the screen fades. As has been established many times over, the ring binds you to the lodge, so he took the ring and probably shortly after that was killed.
Yeah, but Wes Anderson is catching up. Haven't gotten around to Asteroid City yet, but in French Dispatch: >the rich lady airlifted the concrete paintings back to America...so what >the young revolutionary dies trying to fix a radio antenna...so what >the cops caught the kidnappers after a shootout and a chase...so what >the founder and publisher of the Dispatch dies and orders the cancellation of its publication...so what
It's one thing to make plebs feel frustrated and confused, but leading them down narrative dead-ends because they're subtext averse is some serious top-tier trolling and filtration.
>leading them down narrative dead-ends because they're subtext averse is some serious top-tier trolling and filtration.
If that's what you're looking for, that's not all that rare. Hitchwiener did it all the time. Wilder did it. Rian Johnson does it to great effect. Even a complete post-Y2K mainstream guy like Nolan does it from time to time.
What you call narrative dead-ends is a staple of mystery/thriller storytelling. And of course, it allows for a very nice excuse to actually focus on characters and themes outside of the main plot progression.
You are right that this is not something that contemporary audiences can generally pick up on though.
I mean, the only film of his you've seen is probably Star Wars 8, and even that one alone very much proved that blockbuster audiences nowadays aren't really able to grasp anything that goes beyond a very flat and narrow narrative.
something confused me about twin peaks
so I heard the story a bazillion times about how frank silva was a set dresser that david lynch saw which inspired him to work him into the series. But if thats true, then what the frick was the story of twin peaks, especially the first season they were filming, before then? Bob is pretty vital to the story
Lynch never intended for the killer to he revealed. So BOB would probably never appear in person either, then he saw Silva and was like no I have to have him
>pleb filter
Normalgays loved Twin Peaks back in the 90s.
Only normalgay zoomers hate it, because they have a fundamental problem paying attention to anything for more than five minutes.
I was specifically talking about the return. Those that watched the first two season expected le comfy cherry pie and coffee and got hit with the most avant garde piece of television to date.
I guess that's a more positive way to look at it. Another is that they were justifiably angry that they waited 25 years just to have the "sequel" be watching the main character they loved turn into a moron for a majority of its run while bland uninteresting minisode subplots played out on the side. I know to the edgy gays on here that's le super epic to upset the normies, but it's also understandable why they hated it.
>Those that watched the first two season expected le comfy cherry pie and coffee
I had watched the first two seasons, and I didn't expect anything like that. I expected Lynch, and I got Lynch.
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
I don't think there'll be one, frankly. Too many of the people he loved to work with have died. Angelo Badalamenti has died. It's hard to imagine Lynch coming back to make something without Angelo's music.
it was decent and all but it was almost 18 hours of lynch saying how much he hates TV and modern culture, i'd prefer he made something better as his final work
>it was almost 18 hours of lynch saying how much he hates TV and modern culture
No. That's not at all what it was. Quite the opposite, actually.
Did you perchance fall for the TwinPerfect memeshit "interpretation"?
they still dislike the environment anyway, their environment is shit but they think aspects of what it produces (them) is acceptable
Keep on talking, you're just digging yourself in deeper.
sure, anon, sure.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ah I forgot, Gordon's endorsement is also "Support this freak or lose your job," which is exactly how it's done today in corporate America.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You act like that freak character didn't exist in Twin Peaks in the 90's, and he did. If anything, Lynch was way ahead of the curve on transgender shit back then with David Duchovny in Twin Peaks. It's not presented as just a joke and it's a fairly major character for portions of the series. What, were you expecting him to double back and retroactively hate the troony character he made 25 years ago?
9 months ago
Anonymous
He never made that character. Also, it was a humilation ritual for Duchovny and his entrance and "coming out" party for Hollywood.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Cope. Name one(ONE) other depiction of a transgender character that was played almost entirely seriously by 1992. Hell, even by the year 2000. Hell, it's probably hard to even find up to 2010. I'll wait. Lynch was the only director to do it. You could argue he was the spearhead of the transgender movement in film the 90's.
The troony shit made me think that Lynch is out of touch. He doesn't strike me as a generic progressive, as I've read him talk about Trump reasonably without seeming like a TDS case. So if we disagree, I know he's capable of thinking for himself. But there was a period before the modern troony influx in which it someone struggling in this way seemed like an interesting character study. It was something unique and harmless. I can relate to it in my own life as well. Back in the early 90s I had an uncle who would partially crossdress (he's wear women's high heels and such). We lived in the deep south, and guess what? No one gave a shit about it. You'd be surprised how much people are willing to tolerate some strangeness it it doesn't personally impact them. But the modern troony influx isn't like that, it's a top down imposition by the government and corporations. It's not interesting, its soulless victimization of children. It's not just crossdressing, it's chemical and surgical mutilation, often of minors. The thing with Denise isn't representative of what's going on anymore, and especially the depiction from the early 90s doesn't have this aggressive ideological bent to it. Lynch is in his 70s though so that's not surprising. But the way it's presented in the 2017 show makes it seem like he's supporting the current troony disease, and I don't know that he does.
You're trying to politicize it too hard. Lynch doesn't intend it as some kind of profound statement. He finds transexuals intriguing because they're trying to muddy the waters between male and female and that is mysterious and thus it's an alluring thing for him to touch on. Lynch will always defend the weirdos that you despise because he is himself a weirdo.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You're trying to politicize it too hard. Lynch doesn't intend it as some kind of profound statement. He finds transexuals intriguing because they're trying to muddy the waters between male and female and that is mysterious and thus it's an alluring thing for him to touch on. Lynch will always defend the weirdos that you despise because he is himself a weirdo.
You completely and utterly misread my post.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>He finds transexuals intriguing because they're trying to muddy the waters between male and female and that is mysterious and thus it's an alluring thing for him to touch on. Lynch will always defend the weirdos that you despise because he is himself a weirdo.
you don't know this, stop assuming shit
9 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty sure that guy suffers from Bozeman's Simplex, go easy on him
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lynch never created that character. It was the second season writers. He was gone doing Wild at Heart and On The Air by then.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That is false. Lynch was not actively writing for the series anymore(as in not individual scripts). He was still participating in casting and broad character decisions, he just wasn't as heavily involved. He approved Duchovny's casting as the character and the character itself and he is credited as a writer on every episode that Denise is in. You are in denial, Lynch has never had a problem with transexuals and in fact promoted them more than almost anyone else in the era.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're wrong, he only wrote 3 episodes of that season and none of them were the genesis of Denise
9 months ago
Anonymous
Literally re-read the second line of my post you illiterate moron. He wasn't writing scripts but he was approving them and approving casting. He is infamously known for giving a thumbs up to the entire James plotline in season 2 that everyone hates.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>gets proven wrong >spends time googling and realizes
You're wrong, he only wrote 3 episodes of that season and none of them were the genesis of Denise
is exactly right >proceed to double down and desperately fling more shit at the wall hoping some sticks
Fix your heart or die
>proceeds to p
9 months ago
Anonymous
proceeds to sneed
9 months ago
Anonymous
I changed nothing in my original post you moron. I didn't even make any new arguments. I just told you to re-read my post. You act like I did some kind of goalpost moving Google magic when I just told you to re-read my post.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Lynch never created that character. It was the second season writers. He was gone doing Wild at Heart and On The Air by then. He is also notorious for casting freaks like midgets and black people with genetic diseases for a laugh. He's also hated by leftists like you for his anti-abortion stance he made known through Wild at Heart and The Straight Story. Keep seething though.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Lynch never created that character.
He approved and was involved in its creation. I am sorry that this is coming as a shock to you that David Lynch isn't some redpilled rightwing crusader, but he isn't. He quite literally openly supported Black Lives Matter and applauded the bravery of transgender people. He has never in his entire life been some kind of Republican leaning based hero or whatever you imagine him to be. The closest thing Lynch could be to your warped incel ideal is that he is an unrepentant womanizer.
>He's also hated by leftists like you
I'm not a leftist. Why do so many political pinheads always try to call me a leftist? I've not said one thing in this entire thread that could even mistakenly be construed as liberal.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>person is a White heterosexual male >this makes him an "unrepentant womanizer"
Even the language you use reeks of Tavistock-raped mind controlled leftism. You have yet to post one piece of evidence to corroborate your wild headcanon as well. And you wonder how people on Cinemaphile have sussed you out as a leftist pseud?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Even the language you use reeks of Tavistock-raped mind controlled leftism.
I think maybe you're just a low IQ politically obsessed moron. The word womanizer has existed for much longer than the modern liberal left has you idiot. I don't even think I've heard liberals use that word much. They'd be much more likely to call them a pervert or a sexist or something.
The guy is a womanizer. I'm sorry that language offends you and hurts your feelings.
>And you wonder how people on Cinemaphile have sussed you out as a leftist
Because most of you are complete fricking morons that label anyone that disagrees with you or even has a deviant opinion as a leftist? I'm not wondering that at all, it happens constantly to me for not expressing the most stereotypical /misc/tard opinions.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>James plotline is the same one lynch wrote before lost highway
The problem with most S2 plotlines is the absence of Lynch I even think he approved Norma plotline lynch is not above slapstick humor
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're wrong, he only wrote 3 episodes of that season and none of them were the genesis of Denise
who do i believe
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'll rephrase it for you, a troony 30 years ago was something unique and interesting. It wasn't common, it might even be tolerated simply out of being a harmless curiosity. It's like you, an interesting weirdo. I would have no problem with trannies if this was still the case, by the way.
But the modern troony is not that, but an ideological creation of the government and multinational corporations that you are forced to affirm often under financial duress. There's nothing "weird" about it, because it's celebrated by every western government and corporation and center of power. If the military airs your propaganda then you are not "weird" you are are a pillar of the "new normal."
9 months ago
Anonymous
meant to say: >It's like you said*, an interesting weirdo.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>trannie are le heckin weirdos not accepted by society
9 months ago
Anonymous
i mean, they aren't accepted thankfully, but the rich try to pretend they are.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Whose acceptance matters?
Shitposter on Taiwanese basket weaving forum
vs
NSA, CIA, FBI, State Department, Justice Department, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, all banks, all etc.
9 months ago
Anonymous
normalgays
even women irl think it's freak shit, which is telling.
9 months ago
Anonymous
ONE ONE NINE
9 months ago
Anonymous
They weren't in 1990 when the character was created and they still aren't now as evidenced by the existence of you and millions of others who despise them. You are literally proof that they're not accepted you fricking dumb homosexual.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>as evidenced by the existence of you and millions of others who despise them. You are literally proof that they're not accepted you fricking dumb homosexual.
see
Whose acceptance matters?
Shitposter on Taiwanese basket weaving forum
vs
NSA, CIA, FBI, State Department, Justice Department, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, all banks, all etc.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>You are literally proof that they're not accepted you fricking dumb homosexual.
This is why I hate them by the way. Dissent is not allowed. It doesn't matter that every institution in the western world is captured. No, if anyone dissents *anywhere* then that is proof that acceptable and toleration has not occurred. Any wrongthink must be eliminated.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I'd say millions of people secretly being revolted by you qualifies as "not being accepted". If the only thing keeping them from persecution is flimsy government decree, I think they're correctly labeling themselves not accepted and are validly trying to increase acceptance in their own interests.
In the same way you would like your own views to be more publicly acceptable but you and people like you are too stupid to actually meaningfully advance your ideas so you uselessly cling to purity spirals and think bitter anonymous anger is going to attract a wider audience.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care about my views being publicly accepted. I'm fine being an outsider and a weirdo. I don't want to be part of ongoing cultural homogenization project.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Part of that outsider status is powerlessness and the erosion of the things you like or want. You may never be part of that homogenization yourself, but you're also ensuring that they win by refusing to meaningfully resist it, meaning any of your offspring(I know, you're not having any) and your people moving forward will suffer a fate you hate. That's part of what you have to accept.
Transgender people and liberals are braver than you because they are willing to actually fight for the future they want and successfully did so over the past several decades.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Fighting political fights is for normalgays, so no thanks. Whatever you build will eventually dissolve as any human endeavor band be reconstructed in a new and different form. You will never make the utopia you dream of.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Fighting political fights is for normalgays, so no thanks.
Right it's for people with some semblance of a backbone, not terminally online cowards like you. You exist to b***h on the internet and pray for stuff to happen like the spineless cheerleader that you are. Your defeatism and general cowardice makes you the most convenient political opponent for them probably ever in human history.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Transgender people and liberals are braver than you because they are willing to actually fight for the future they want
no, they are being sponsored by NGOs for whatever reason. troonyism was essentially nonexistent a decade ago then it was artificially promoted until we get to where we are today, where most people think it's fricking disgusting but the rich push it anyway.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>governments have more power than people! >we're helpless to resist! the men in dresses and coca cola are too powerful! >there's literally NOTHING we can do!
/pol/tards are so funny
9 months ago
Anonymous
really not sure what your point is, just about everyone regardless of political views is dissatisfied with the current state of affairs, but people don't revolt when they are well off enough.
doesn't change the fact that troonyism is not some organic battle of the mistreated vs the rich, it's the rich propping up degenerate freaks to the disgust of most.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I said liberals were collectively braver than you because they actually fought for what they wanted and continue to fight for it every day. You don't and profess you never want to or will. Your reason for this is you're reasonably comfortable and you don't have government backing. Liberals didn't have government backing either before the modern political era but they resisted and fought anyways. They were comfortable but they still took to the streets and demanded what they wanted and worked their way into public spaces to push their ideas. Cucks like you just find excuses why you seemingly can't do any of that because you're weak and stupid.
9 months ago
Anonymous
those movements, which were likely far less organic than you think, preceded the current information warfare age.
it's not a coincidence no modern movement has positive ideals, because it's all corrupt from top to bottom. troonyism isn't organic, and you're a naive idiot.
i'm also not that doomer you think you're replying to, i don't think it's completely worthles, but nothing will really change before economic strife.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Cucks like you just find excuses why you seemingly can't do any of that because you're weak and stupid.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you don't actually have an argument to the points im making, nobody is actually fighting for progress, the rich have thoroughly coopted egalitarianism, because they own every information outlet.
9 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
These spineless homosexuals get confused and even fight each other. Top kek. Whew, that was a close one. Thank god you rationalized doing nothing for the thousandth time. You almost had to admit you were a coward.
>Don't worry bro, I got your back. We can both be cowards and do nothing together. It's all rigged and co-opted and government backed. I will stay in my room until I die
It's genuinely funny reading this stuff.
9 months ago
Anonymous
you don't actually have an argument, you can act like you're on a high horse but you are doing nothing meaningful as well, because deep down you know how it works.
9 months ago
Anonymous
More like
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did such an excellent send up of you because you are so transparent and trite that even that drivel of a shitpost was actually believably you.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Name one(ONE) other depiction of a transgender character that was played almost entirely seriously by 1992
9 months ago
Anonymous
The troony shit made me think that Lynch is out of touch. He doesn't strike me as a generic progressive, as I've read him talk about Trump reasonably without seeming like a TDS case. So if we disagree, I know he's capable of thinking for himself. But there was a period before the modern troony influx in which it someone struggling in this way seemed like an interesting character study. It was something unique and harmless. I can relate to it in my own life as well. Back in the early 90s I had an uncle who would partially crossdress (he's wear women's high heels and such). We lived in the deep south, and guess what? No one gave a shit about it. You'd be surprised how much people are willing to tolerate some strangeness it it doesn't personally impact them. But the modern troony influx isn't like that, it's a top down imposition by the government and corporations. It's not interesting, its soulless victimization of children. It's not just crossdressing, it's chemical and surgical mutilation, often of minors. The thing with Denise isn't representative of what's going on anymore, and especially the depiction from the early 90s doesn't have this aggressive ideological bent to it. Lynch is in his 70s though so that's not surprising. But the way it's presented in the 2017 show makes it seem like he's supporting the current troony disease, and I don't know that he does.
9 months ago
Anonymous
lynch was even on the alex jones show and he thinks 9/11 was an inside job
of course, S3 had a not-alex jones parody but maybe that was frost
there's also the case of him signign that hollywood letter that was all about how angry hollywood morons were about polanski being arrested, but he may have just signed it because he disliked him being arrested at an awards ceremony (iirc)
9 months ago
Anonymous
Human/Hutt hybrid detected
9 months ago
Anonymous
But bitter, ineffectual incels like you are the embodiment on modernity too.
People who profess Lynch a genius are idiot pseuds. People who appreciate the moods and artistry he creates are fine. Anyone trying to tell you he made something coherent or that "went over your head" is a troll. Any time you call these trolls out on their idiocy and ask them to explain Twin Peaks, they have a million disjointed and incoherent answers. It's impossible to connect everything and it's very likely everything is not meant to be connected to begin with. Lynch doesn't want you to figure it out anyways, he admittedly just wants you to think about it.
Twin Peaks is an enjoyable experience but honestly kind of a shit story and mystery.
Twin Peaks is an amazing example of what happens when a collaborative project shifts in input. With less Lynch involvement it became a more melodramatic, soapy sort of show; with more Lynch involvement it became an experimental nightmare. I think a good chunk of people just can't stand the inconsistency, but I love it. Also the anti-Lynch guys who scream about Lynch fans being pseuds are telling on themselves. There's not much to "get" from Lynch because he explicitly wants each member of the audience to reach his own conclusion. It's fun to speculate what's going on in his head, but no one being serious is contending that Lynch is some kind of intellectual powerhouse. There's room for the argument that he's a genius filmmaker, though.
Lynch was on Alex Jones years ago and called out 9/11 and abortion. He's on our side bros, we won. Just ignore that seething gay that's trying to ruin our comfy thread.
>moronic incel does his best impression of the dishonest media and tries to leverage a misleading headline to support his argument
Yikes. Imagine actually falling for clickbait bullshit like that. Lynch wasn't arguing that Trump did a great job. He was arguing that if he achieved certain things during his presidency, he would be looked back on as great. It was not an endorsement for him as being a great president. Just lmfao. Suffice to say, he has since clarified this interview and pointed out how his words were taken out of context.
You're the one who wanted to get into a losing argument with me. Blame yourself for your stubborn cuck blood of always wanting to pick fights on the internet that you can't win.
>It's more accurate to say that you have an extremely low IQ and your inability to discern posting style is just another obvious sign of that
lmao, the fricking irony
he's a different anon you dipshit troon
What the frick did you just fricking say about me, you little b***h? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fricking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fricker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fricking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fricking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fricking dead, kiddo.
>Blame yourself for your stubborn cuck blood of always wanting to pick fights on the internet that you can't win.
probably the most pathetic thing ive read in a while, jfc.
you said something incorrect and i told you it was incorrect, you're desperate to feel like you've won this argument or whatever but you just sound like a moronic troony tbh
If you call fan service and Quentin Tarantino tier homage to no country for old men a filter then yes. The info dump of Gordon Cole suddenly remembering fwwm David Bowie is the funniest shit I've ever seen in a pre recorded production.
>The info dump of Gordon Cole suddenly remembering fwwm David Bowie
This shit was literally in the missing pieces, it was filmed in the early 90s. Nothing wrong with that
Exhibit A.
All of your references are out of date, tardlard. Keep it to yourself next time.
it really is mostly random bullshit at the end of the day
there will never be anything like it ever again
No. This is
Only season 1 is good
Case on point
Kys
Season 1 is good
First half of season 2 is good
Second hand of season 2 is okay for a normal TV show but seems bad in comparison to what preceded it; this is the actual filter because you have to go through so many hours of seeming mediocrity
Season 2 finale is good again
FWWM is good
Return is good
>Return is good
Kys
>Second hand of season 2 is okay for a normal TV show but seems bad in comparison to what preceded it; this is the actual filter because you have to go through so many hours of seeming mediocrity
this is where I never got past
Some of it I just had to put on in the background and do something else while I listened to it. It's worth it if you can get through it though. Once you get to the S2 finale it's kino from then onward.
Season 1 is fantastic
First half of season 2 is not very good
Second hand of season 2 is bad
Season 2 finale is great again
FWWM is good
Return is LOL SO RANDUMB XDDDD
>First half of season 2 is not very good
Objectively wrong, kys
This is corrected but even the second half of S2 has its charm
That anon here. Yes, agreed. I was too harsh.
first time watching season 2:
>what the frick this went to shit
second time watching season 2:
>eh now that I know what to expect it's not so bad
3rd time watching season 2:
>okay, this is comfy
This. The whole James side plot is utter garbage and only a pleb would think otherwise.
absolute kino
I think the problem with Fire Walk With Me is that it feels excessive. It feels exploitative. It lacks the charm of the main TV show, and this lack of charm is a problem in The Return, too.
Also, Judy is a massive retcon-filled asspull of a plot device. When FWWM was written, Jeffries rambling about Judy was not actually foreshadowing any of the stuff The Return headcanons into existence.
>I think the problem with Fire Walk With Me is that it feels excessive. It feels exploitative.
I don't know if I agree with that. It's a different sort of story. You know how it's going to end and it's not going to be happy. Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine a lot of women would relate heavily to it. That's what I felt watching it.
>Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine a lot of women would relate heavily to it. That's what I felt watching it.
That is to say, that's how I felt that women would feel. I'm not a woman.
>According to cinematographer Ron Garcia, the film was popular in Japan, in particular with women, as Martha Nochimson wrote in her book on Lynch's work, "he surmises that the enthusiasm of the Japanese women comes from a gratification of seeing in Laura some acknowledgment of their suffering in a repressive society."[59] Released under the title Twin Peaks: The Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer, it was greeted with long lines of moviegoers at theaters.
>Sheryl Lee is very proud of the film, saying, "I have had many people, victims of incest, approach me since the film was released, so glad that it was made because it helped them to release a lot."[19]
I can definitely respect that perspective, anon. But I just find overall FWWM to be very heavy, bleak viewing. Like you say, though, some people find it very relatable.
>When FWWM was written, Jeffries rambling about Judy was not actually foreshadowing any of the stuff The Return headcanons into existence
All of Twin Peaks was written like this. Lynch came up with BOB when they were shooting the pilot cause he thought the crew member who played him looked scary and because he accidentally appeared in a shot in Laura’s room.
The problem with The Return is that it takes all the bullshit from Fire Walk With Me, and triples down on it. One of the most annoying things about The Return is that there is almost no footage of it, or Twin Peaks in general, on Youtube. If you want to show someone a particular scene from The Return you've got little choice but to pull out the Blu Ray.
that roastie reactor who does all the YA shows reacted to the whole revival and showtime nearly got her channel taken down for it, so no one else wants to touch it
It's good, but a TV show breaking narrative conventions is hardly "the biggest pleb filter of all time", not even close.
The one thing I don't really "buy" about Twin Peaks is the idea of multiple teen prostitutes working at a well known brothel just outside of town with little attempt to conceal their identities. It's not even under the table shit. It's just... well, basically everyone knows.
Honestly, that's the narrative issue with TP. It can't decide episode to episode how in the dark the average person in TP is. Laura Palmer was fricking half of the male and female population of the town. Almost every person she was in regular contact with, including Josie of all people, was fricking her. That's the real reason Josie is cut up about Laura's death. It's almost certainly the reason the school principal is so upset. They were all fricking her. Yet other people, like the sheriff seem to actually be shocked to learn that Laura Palmer was a teenage prostitute with a massive coke habit, as are multiple other teens in the town.
>Population 51,201
Everybody doesn't know everybody
Yea, but the sheer volume of people Laura was fricking on a regular basis shrinks that down.
>Population 51,201
>People fricking Laura 201
>People not fricking Laura 51,000
Typo studio infetterence on the sign. Real pop was 5k.
>The one thing I don't really "buy" about Twin Peaks is the idea of multiple teen prostitutes working at a well known brothel just outside of town with little attempt to conceal their identities. It's not even under the table shit. It's just... well, basically everyone knows.
Today it's called Onlyfans
>just outside of town
It was across the border with Canada.
It is the biggest pleb filter of all time,
while at the same time,
being the biggest midwit magnet of all time.
Twin Peaks and Mulholland Drive are both this because they attract midwits who think the whole thing is a puzzle that can be pieced together, but they miss the entire point of both.
The Return has led to the common theory that Laura was never murdered. That she's alive, and dreaming up this elaborate fantasy where she is killed, and a brave FBI man named Dale Cooper comes along and magically solves the crime and brings her tormentors to justice.
That all the stuff in The Return is an increasingly disjointed hallucination. That she's dreaming, but elements of the real world are bleeding into it.
"What year is this?" is believed to be tied to a lucid dreaming device of checking a wristwatch.
It's all a psychogenic fugue. Lynch really likes those. To escape the fact that she's being molested by her father
The counter-argument of course is that Twin Peaks is easily 50% Mark Frost, so it's important to not assume that just because David Lynch did something in one of his other films that it directly tracks to TP.
I feel like Twin Peaks is Lynch struggling very hard to take a normal, comprehensible story of Mark Frost and elevate into something else.
Watching the Return currently
1.) How long does Cooper stay moronic
2.) Why is every episode ending with a live music performance
Don't worry not long at all
Did you mutts watch the show? He "wakes up" at the end of Part 16.
HELLOOOOOO
You'll finish the season and wish so much that you could watch it all for the first time again. Slow down and enjoy the ride. Trust me.
I'm actually enjoying it a lot. I like the moronic Cooper thing too. I was a bit worried that if it went on too long I might start getting irritated by it -- it seems like one of those things that would do that -- but it hasn't happened yet.
Fretting about Cooper not being Cooper ruined my first viewing.
I think a quarter or half of the season
Because kino
Appreciate the Dougie.
Cherish the Dougie.
Mr Jackpots!
Absolutely based Dougie Enjoyer
thank mr jackpots
Friendly reminder that it's been confirmed that Eddie Vedder recorded a song that plays during the Twin Peaks finale. It confirms Agent Cooper never gets his mind back. (Pic is evil Cooper)
Veddergays still coping from being eternally BTFO
Why do you spam this moronic headcanon in every Twin Peaks thread?
>he wasn't a part of /tpg/
Sorry lad
>perpetuating the meme for le epic funny
Nevermind.
Someone got the /tpg/ "typical thread" edit?
i miss these threads like you wouldn't believe
>1.) How long does Cooper stay moronic
He never comes back.
David Lynch is ILLUMINATI!!!!!!!!
People who shit on TP unironically have no souls.
I really wish it followed the beginning investigation more.
>mfw entire episode 8
>HURRR LE DOUGIE IS LE DUMB WHERE COOP GUY
every fricking thread. How the frick can you not watch the dougie scenes and not laugh your head off and also not see what Lynch is doing?
In a way maybe people hating dougie proves his point.
Innocence will save us but everyone wants to be prostitute Laura and not Innocent Laura. Everyone wants Cooper, no one wants Dougie.
What if I think it's funny and like it but I also want Coop back
>look at mona lisa
>yeah it's pretty good, but like what if she was smiling a little more?
Nobody hates Dougie.
I hated Dougie until he was gone
>How the frick can you not watch the dougie scenes and not laugh your head off and also not see what Lynch is doing?
What was Lynch doing?
I literally wrote it in my post brainlet.
Innocence is all, yet we burn it away.
That's why our children are diseased.
Dougie has non-innocent people helping him continually though
yes they are compelled by his innocence. would you let a moron walk into fire? probably not unless you're utterly deranged, that morons innocence would literally compel you to be a better person.
>When this kind of fire starts, it is very hard to put out. The tender boughs of innocence burn first, and the wind rises, and then all goodness is in jeopardy
And the fire rises.
>Innocence will save us but everyone wants to be prostitute Laura and not Innocent Laura.
frick off u fricking pig. i am baffled you'd find any semblance of this callousness in lynch's works. kys
explain
This interpretstion makes little sense. There's nothing about Laura's dark side that seems appealing, and Cooper isn't anti-innocent.
yep. anyone who likes it is basically a pretentious homosexual that doesn't know what quality writing looks like.
>comes into thread and acts extremely pretentious
Why can't they have quality stuff like the WWE? Now that's a drama.
DUGE LV
>Be Dougie
>Wife is Naomi Watts
>Have sex with black prostitute instead
Why
jade give two rides
David Lynch wanted an excuse to see black breasts.
Could have just wrote himself into the scene with Gordon Cole like this one
It's 2017 anon you can't write yourself into sexual scenes anymore, even on shitty cable TV.
>2017 was 10 years ago
>tfw the original series aired more than 50 years ago
You are as far from 1991 as 1991 was from 1959 (32 years).
have sex with Jade or Janey-E?
I'll take the one that can wipe her butthole properly and doesn't reek of burnt corn chips and unwashed ass
Why not both?
Season 3 in particular, yeah.
"filter" is code for "shit", just like "trans" means "fake". Fake mission, for example.
>1991 was 39 years ago
I have no pic for this feel.
Jesus was crucified 1991 years ago
4 U
It isn’t really that good but it has its moments
It’s what happens when nobody reigns Lynch in
3 seasons of Twin Peaks are kino and FWWM is kino too and i'm tired of pretending they are not.
That said, as a Lynch fan, i thought Inland Empire was really bad.
>le murderer was.................................le father (possessed by hecking demonerino)!
I guess I got filtered.
>le murderer
>le father
>hecking demonerino
Well no doubt, you would have done wonders with the dialogue of season 2, buddy!
I'm not your buddy, pal.
It was the evil that men do
You could say that it lives on and on
creamed corn
I git filtered by the high school melodrama in season 1
only pleb watches it yes.
real patricians watch Arcane.
imagine if The Return was nothing but nostalgia baiting and emulating the old show every single episode. Just desperately trying to be just like Season 1 was.
Nobody would talk about it, it'd be completely forgotten a month after it finished airing, even if they did it well and people came away liking it.
Probably. I mean, how could things stay the same anyway? With the whole cast that got older or dead.
The Return is a proper sequel in the truest sense. The most proper sequel ever even.
It's a very reliable one. you will grow old, you will die, the perfect girl is N O N E X I S T E N T! This
What happened to Chester Desmond?
He got fricked away by Jodie.
Do you mean Judy? Speaking of, what the frick happened with Jodie getting trapped in a knob?
Oh yes, sorry. And for Jodie, well she's probably locked somewhere, like Audrey actually. Spirits that couldn't escape.
We're NOT gonna talk about Judy.
>What happened to Chester Desmond?
It is strongly implied he's stuck in the lodge. He reaches for the ring and the screen fades. As has been established many times over, the ring binds you to the lodge, so he took the ring and probably shortly after that was killed.
I wonder who actually killed him.
Yeah, but Wes Anderson is catching up. Haven't gotten around to Asteroid City yet, but in French Dispatch:
>the rich lady airlifted the concrete paintings back to America...so what
>the young revolutionary dies trying to fix a radio antenna...so what
>the cops caught the kidnappers after a shootout and a chase...so what
>the founder and publisher of the Dispatch dies and orders the cancellation of its publication...so what
It's one thing to make plebs feel frustrated and confused, but leading them down narrative dead-ends because they're subtext averse is some serious top-tier trolling and filtration.
>leading them down narrative dead-ends because they're subtext averse is some serious top-tier trolling and filtration.
If that's what you're looking for, that's not all that rare. Hitchwiener did it all the time. Wilder did it. Rian Johnson does it to great effect. Even a complete post-Y2K mainstream guy like Nolan does it from time to time.
What you call narrative dead-ends is a staple of mystery/thriller storytelling. And of course, it allows for a very nice excuse to actually focus on characters and themes outside of the main plot progression.
You are right that this is not something that contemporary audiences can generally pick up on though.
>Rian Johnson does it to great effect.
I mean, the only film of his you've seen is probably Star Wars 8, and even that one alone very much proved that blockbuster audiences nowadays aren't really able to grasp anything that goes beyond a very flat and narrow narrative.
>mogs Nolan
Nothing personnel: https://youtu.be/OtVQ0Y4oTqQ
something confused me about twin peaks
so I heard the story a bazillion times about how frank silva was a set dresser that david lynch saw which inspired him to work him into the series. But if thats true, then what the frick was the story of twin peaks, especially the first season they were filming, before then? Bob is pretty vital to the story
Lynch never intended for the killer to he revealed. So BOB would probably never appear in person either, then he saw Silva and was like no I have to have him
Got this in a higher resolution?
I do but I can't post it because file size limit.
catbox.moe
Big Ed looks so much like my grandpa it's uncanny. rip in peace, pop-pop
He kind of looked like mine too
Did Laura actually love James?
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
you literally have to go out of your way to like it
>pleb filter
Normalgays loved Twin Peaks back in the 90s.
Only normalgay zoomers hate it, because they have a fundamental problem paying attention to anything for more than five minutes.
I was specifically talking about the return. Those that watched the first two season expected le comfy cherry pie and coffee and got hit with the most avant garde piece of television to date.
I guess that's a more positive way to look at it. Another is that they were justifiably angry that they waited 25 years just to have the "sequel" be watching the main character they loved turn into a moron for a majority of its run while bland uninteresting minisode subplots played out on the side. I know to the edgy gays on here that's le super epic to upset the normies, but it's also understandable why they hated it.
>Those that watched the first two season expected le comfy cherry pie and coffee
I had watched the first two seasons, and I didn't expect anything like that. I expected Lynch, and I got Lynch.
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
where's lynch's next work?
I don't think there'll be one, frankly. Too many of the people he loved to work with have died. Angelo Badalamenti has died. It's hard to imagine Lynch coming back to make something without Angelo's music.
twin peaks season 3 only really had 2-3 of his songs though
It had his songs though. And it needed them.
And, yes, you can reuse stuff, but making something new jsut with reused music doesn't feel right.
I'd love more but honestly wouldn't be upset if he ended with The Return. Was absolute kino and seemed like the grand culmination of all his work.
it was decent and all but it was almost 18 hours of lynch saying how much he hates TV and modern culture, i'd prefer he made something better as his final work
>it was almost 18 hours of lynch saying how much he hates TV and modern culture
No. That's not at all what it was. Quite the opposite, actually.
Did you perchance fall for the TwinPerfect memeshit "interpretation"?
>No. That's not at all what it was.
it absolutely was, not all of it, but much of it.
i don't need to watch some youtube homosexual to tell me that.
So, yes, you did fall for the TwinPerfect bullcrap. Sad.
as i said, never watched it and don't need to.
Sure, anon, sure.
it doesn't even try to disguise it
Keep on talking, you're just digging yourself in deeper.
>it was almost 18 hours of lynch saying how much he hates TV and modern culture
Like the part where Gordon Cole explicitly endorses trannies?
most people who support trannies still dislike modern culture
troonyism is the living embodiment of modernity.
they still dislike the environment anyway, their environment is shit but they think aspects of what it produces (them) is acceptable
sure, anon, sure.
Ah I forgot, Gordon's endorsement is also "Support this freak or lose your job," which is exactly how it's done today in corporate America.
You act like that freak character didn't exist in Twin Peaks in the 90's, and he did. If anything, Lynch was way ahead of the curve on transgender shit back then with David Duchovny in Twin Peaks. It's not presented as just a joke and it's a fairly major character for portions of the series. What, were you expecting him to double back and retroactively hate the troony character he made 25 years ago?
He never made that character. Also, it was a humilation ritual for Duchovny and his entrance and "coming out" party for Hollywood.
Cope. Name one(ONE) other depiction of a transgender character that was played almost entirely seriously by 1992. Hell, even by the year 2000. Hell, it's probably hard to even find up to 2010. I'll wait. Lynch was the only director to do it. You could argue he was the spearhead of the transgender movement in film the 90's.
You're trying to politicize it too hard. Lynch doesn't intend it as some kind of profound statement. He finds transexuals intriguing because they're trying to muddy the waters between male and female and that is mysterious and thus it's an alluring thing for him to touch on. Lynch will always defend the weirdos that you despise because he is himself a weirdo.
>You're trying to politicize it too hard. Lynch doesn't intend it as some kind of profound statement. He finds transexuals intriguing because they're trying to muddy the waters between male and female and that is mysterious and thus it's an alluring thing for him to touch on. Lynch will always defend the weirdos that you despise because he is himself a weirdo.
You completely and utterly misread my post.
>He finds transexuals intriguing because they're trying to muddy the waters between male and female and that is mysterious and thus it's an alluring thing for him to touch on. Lynch will always defend the weirdos that you despise because he is himself a weirdo.
you don't know this, stop assuming shit
Pretty sure that guy suffers from Bozeman's Simplex, go easy on him
Lynch never created that character. It was the second season writers. He was gone doing Wild at Heart and On The Air by then.
That is false. Lynch was not actively writing for the series anymore(as in not individual scripts). He was still participating in casting and broad character decisions, he just wasn't as heavily involved. He approved Duchovny's casting as the character and the character itself and he is credited as a writer on every episode that Denise is in. You are in denial, Lynch has never had a problem with transexuals and in fact promoted them more than almost anyone else in the era.
You're wrong, he only wrote 3 episodes of that season and none of them were the genesis of Denise
Literally re-read the second line of my post you illiterate moron. He wasn't writing scripts but he was approving them and approving casting. He is infamously known for giving a thumbs up to the entire James plotline in season 2 that everyone hates.
>gets proven wrong
>spends time googling and realizes
is exactly right
>proceed to double down and desperately fling more shit at the wall hoping some sticks
Fix your heart or die
>proceeds to p
proceeds to sneed
I changed nothing in my original post you moron. I didn't even make any new arguments. I just told you to re-read my post. You act like I did some kind of goalpost moving Google magic when I just told you to re-read my post.
Lynch never created that character. It was the second season writers. He was gone doing Wild at Heart and On The Air by then. He is also notorious for casting freaks like midgets and black people with genetic diseases for a laugh. He's also hated by leftists like you for his anti-abortion stance he made known through Wild at Heart and The Straight Story. Keep seething though.
>Lynch never created that character.
He approved and was involved in its creation. I am sorry that this is coming as a shock to you that David Lynch isn't some redpilled rightwing crusader, but he isn't. He quite literally openly supported Black Lives Matter and applauded the bravery of transgender people. He has never in his entire life been some kind of Republican leaning based hero or whatever you imagine him to be. The closest thing Lynch could be to your warped incel ideal is that he is an unrepentant womanizer.
>He's also hated by leftists like you
I'm not a leftist. Why do so many political pinheads always try to call me a leftist? I've not said one thing in this entire thread that could even mistakenly be construed as liberal.
>person is a White heterosexual male
>this makes him an "unrepentant womanizer"
Even the language you use reeks of Tavistock-raped mind controlled leftism. You have yet to post one piece of evidence to corroborate your wild headcanon as well. And you wonder how people on Cinemaphile have sussed you out as a leftist pseud?
>Even the language you use reeks of Tavistock-raped mind controlled leftism.
I think maybe you're just a low IQ politically obsessed moron. The word womanizer has existed for much longer than the modern liberal left has you idiot. I don't even think I've heard liberals use that word much. They'd be much more likely to call them a pervert or a sexist or something.
The guy is a womanizer. I'm sorry that language offends you and hurts your feelings.
>And you wonder how people on Cinemaphile have sussed you out as a leftist
Because most of you are complete fricking morons that label anyone that disagrees with you or even has a deviant opinion as a leftist? I'm not wondering that at all, it happens constantly to me for not expressing the most stereotypical /misc/tard opinions.
>James plotline is the same one lynch wrote before lost highway
The problem with most S2 plotlines is the absence of Lynch I even think he approved Norma plotline lynch is not above slapstick humor
who do i believe
I'll rephrase it for you, a troony 30 years ago was something unique and interesting. It wasn't common, it might even be tolerated simply out of being a harmless curiosity. It's like you, an interesting weirdo. I would have no problem with trannies if this was still the case, by the way.
But the modern troony is not that, but an ideological creation of the government and multinational corporations that you are forced to affirm often under financial duress. There's nothing "weird" about it, because it's celebrated by every western government and corporation and center of power. If the military airs your propaganda then you are not "weird" you are are a pillar of the "new normal."
meant to say:
>It's like you said*, an interesting weirdo.
>trannie are le heckin weirdos not accepted by society
i mean, they aren't accepted thankfully, but the rich try to pretend they are.
Whose acceptance matters?
Shitposter on Taiwanese basket weaving forum
vs
NSA, CIA, FBI, State Department, Justice Department, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, all banks, all etc.
normalgays
even women irl think it's freak shit, which is telling.
ONE ONE NINE
They weren't in 1990 when the character was created and they still aren't now as evidenced by the existence of you and millions of others who despise them. You are literally proof that they're not accepted you fricking dumb homosexual.
>as evidenced by the existence of you and millions of others who despise them. You are literally proof that they're not accepted you fricking dumb homosexual.
see
>You are literally proof that they're not accepted you fricking dumb homosexual.
This is why I hate them by the way. Dissent is not allowed. It doesn't matter that every institution in the western world is captured. No, if anyone dissents *anywhere* then that is proof that acceptable and toleration has not occurred. Any wrongthink must be eliminated.
I'd say millions of people secretly being revolted by you qualifies as "not being accepted". If the only thing keeping them from persecution is flimsy government decree, I think they're correctly labeling themselves not accepted and are validly trying to increase acceptance in their own interests.
In the same way you would like your own views to be more publicly acceptable but you and people like you are too stupid to actually meaningfully advance your ideas so you uselessly cling to purity spirals and think bitter anonymous anger is going to attract a wider audience.
I don't care about my views being publicly accepted. I'm fine being an outsider and a weirdo. I don't want to be part of ongoing cultural homogenization project.
Part of that outsider status is powerlessness and the erosion of the things you like or want. You may never be part of that homogenization yourself, but you're also ensuring that they win by refusing to meaningfully resist it, meaning any of your offspring(I know, you're not having any) and your people moving forward will suffer a fate you hate. That's part of what you have to accept.
Transgender people and liberals are braver than you because they are willing to actually fight for the future they want and successfully did so over the past several decades.
Fighting political fights is for normalgays, so no thanks. Whatever you build will eventually dissolve as any human endeavor band be reconstructed in a new and different form. You will never make the utopia you dream of.
>Fighting political fights is for normalgays, so no thanks.
Right it's for people with some semblance of a backbone, not terminally online cowards like you. You exist to b***h on the internet and pray for stuff to happen like the spineless cheerleader that you are. Your defeatism and general cowardice makes you the most convenient political opponent for them probably ever in human history.
>Transgender people and liberals are braver than you because they are willing to actually fight for the future they want
no, they are being sponsored by NGOs for whatever reason. troonyism was essentially nonexistent a decade ago then it was artificially promoted until we get to where we are today, where most people think it's fricking disgusting but the rich push it anyway.
>governments have more power than people!
>we're helpless to resist! the men in dresses and coca cola are too powerful!
>there's literally NOTHING we can do!
/pol/tards are so funny
really not sure what your point is, just about everyone regardless of political views is dissatisfied with the current state of affairs, but people don't revolt when they are well off enough.
doesn't change the fact that troonyism is not some organic battle of the mistreated vs the rich, it's the rich propping up degenerate freaks to the disgust of most.
I said liberals were collectively braver than you because they actually fought for what they wanted and continue to fight for it every day. You don't and profess you never want to or will. Your reason for this is you're reasonably comfortable and you don't have government backing. Liberals didn't have government backing either before the modern political era but they resisted and fought anyways. They were comfortable but they still took to the streets and demanded what they wanted and worked their way into public spaces to push their ideas. Cucks like you just find excuses why you seemingly can't do any of that because you're weak and stupid.
those movements, which were likely far less organic than you think, preceded the current information warfare age.
it's not a coincidence no modern movement has positive ideals, because it's all corrupt from top to bottom. troonyism isn't organic, and you're a naive idiot.
i'm also not that doomer you think you're replying to, i don't think it's completely worthles, but nothing will really change before economic strife.
>Cucks like you just find excuses why you seemingly can't do any of that because you're weak and stupid.
you don't actually have an argument to the points im making, nobody is actually fighting for progress, the rich have thoroughly coopted egalitarianism, because they own every information outlet.
These spineless homosexuals get confused and even fight each other. Top kek. Whew, that was a close one. Thank god you rationalized doing nothing for the thousandth time. You almost had to admit you were a coward.
>Don't worry bro, I got your back. We can both be cowards and do nothing together. It's all rigged and co-opted and government backed. I will stay in my room until I die
It's genuinely funny reading this stuff.
you don't actually have an argument, you can act like you're on a high horse but you are doing nothing meaningful as well, because deep down you know how it works.
More like
did such an excellent send up of you because you are so transparent and trite that even that drivel of a shitpost was actually believably you.
>Name one(ONE) other depiction of a transgender character that was played almost entirely seriously by 1992
The troony shit made me think that Lynch is out of touch. He doesn't strike me as a generic progressive, as I've read him talk about Trump reasonably without seeming like a TDS case. So if we disagree, I know he's capable of thinking for himself. But there was a period before the modern troony influx in which it someone struggling in this way seemed like an interesting character study. It was something unique and harmless. I can relate to it in my own life as well. Back in the early 90s I had an uncle who would partially crossdress (he's wear women's high heels and such). We lived in the deep south, and guess what? No one gave a shit about it. You'd be surprised how much people are willing to tolerate some strangeness it it doesn't personally impact them. But the modern troony influx isn't like that, it's a top down imposition by the government and corporations. It's not interesting, its soulless victimization of children. It's not just crossdressing, it's chemical and surgical mutilation, often of minors. The thing with Denise isn't representative of what's going on anymore, and especially the depiction from the early 90s doesn't have this aggressive ideological bent to it. Lynch is in his 70s though so that's not surprising. But the way it's presented in the 2017 show makes it seem like he's supporting the current troony disease, and I don't know that he does.
lynch was even on the alex jones show and he thinks 9/11 was an inside job
of course, S3 had a not-alex jones parody but maybe that was frost
there's also the case of him signign that hollywood letter that was all about how angry hollywood morons were about polanski being arrested, but he may have just signed it because he disliked him being arrested at an awards ceremony (iirc)
Human/Hutt hybrid detected
But bitter, ineffectual incels like you are the embodiment on modernity too.
That was me derailing the thread. You're welcome.
People who profess Lynch a genius are idiot pseuds. People who appreciate the moods and artistry he creates are fine. Anyone trying to tell you he made something coherent or that "went over your head" is a troll. Any time you call these trolls out on their idiocy and ask them to explain Twin Peaks, they have a million disjointed and incoherent answers. It's impossible to connect everything and it's very likely everything is not meant to be connected to begin with. Lynch doesn't want you to figure it out anyways, he admittedly just wants you to think about it.
Twin Peaks is an enjoyable experience but honestly kind of a shit story and mystery.
yes
it is
>random episode in the middle of the series
>literal better explosion shit than OPENHEIMER without Lynch even trying
what was wrong with oppy's, dont really have any interest in watching it.
it's just that Nolan will never be able to beat this
more like the biggest pseud grift
It's ok. The original show and movie are better.
Reminder that David Lynch did an interview with Alex Jones and also called out 9/11 as a controlled demolition on Dutch television
reminder officially it's not called "the return"
Jacoby living the comfy life
Twin Peaks is an amazing example of what happens when a collaborative project shifts in input. With less Lynch involvement it became a more melodramatic, soapy sort of show; with more Lynch involvement it became an experimental nightmare. I think a good chunk of people just can't stand the inconsistency, but I love it. Also the anti-Lynch guys who scream about Lynch fans being pseuds are telling on themselves. There's not much to "get" from Lynch because he explicitly wants each member of the audience to reach his own conclusion. It's fun to speculate what's going on in his head, but no one being serious is contending that Lynch is some kind of intellectual powerhouse. There's room for the argument that he's a genius filmmaker, though.
>S3
>Experimental
it's all shit and nobody wants to admit it Lynch was already old when he did the original show and in S3 he's ancient.
Lynch was on Alex Jones years ago and called out 9/11 and abortion. He's on our side bros, we won. Just ignore that seething gay that's trying to ruin our comfy thread.
>Lynch was on Alex Jones years ago and called out 9/11 and abortion. He's on our side bros, we won
lol
This image kills the Lynchud
That's why he cast so many black "people" to be in his works 🙂
Me occupied with television entertainment
>moronic incel does his best impression of the dishonest media and tries to leverage a misleading headline to support his argument
Yikes. Imagine actually falling for clickbait bullshit like that. Lynch wasn't arguing that Trump did a great job. He was arguing that if he achieved certain things during his presidency, he would be looked back on as great. It was not an endorsement for him as being a great president. Just lmfao. Suffice to say, he has since clarified this interview and pointed out how his words were taken out of context.
>praises transexuals
[Citation needed]
>He'd probably think you were an butthole.
You're going to need an IMAX screen for all that projecting.
>[Citation needed]
>unable to discern fiction from reality
Yeah, it's a leftist alright.
>he was merely pretending to support trannies in his film!
You're entering dangerous levels of denial and delusion here.
>He'd probably think you were an butthole.
https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/over-100-in-film-community-sign-polanski-petition-55821/
lynch is a good filmmaker, but who cares what he thinks.
now you're just spouting meaningless shit for no reason
the truth is, you're doing exactly what you're accusing me of.
I'm on your side and pillorying that homosexual SJW leftist moron bro
Yes, if anyone says it's good you know they're a pleb.
Lake Mungo is
>troony/trans ally has a meltdown trying to have two different arguments at once
I never defended any trans people in this thread, frogposting moron.
don't care, troony homosexual
No you just ruined it with your gay limpdick spewings. Congrats Black person
You're the one who wanted to get into a losing argument with me. Blame yourself for your stubborn cuck blood of always wanting to pick fights on the internet that you can't win.
>and modern liberals are much more brave and proactive
they aren't though, you dimwit troony
They objectively are. You lost. You can't even say anything back to me because you know I'm completely right.
>They objectively are.
they aren't though, i'm no even sure why you're deluding yourself
then again you're a troony so i suppose that's your thing
>It's more accurate to say that you have an extremely low IQ and your inability to discern posting style is just another obvious sign of that
lmao, the fricking irony
he's a different anon you dipshit troon
I never said you were the same person. There can be more than one extreme moron posting in here you fricking moron.
What the frick did you just fricking say about me, you little b***h? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fricking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fricker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fricking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fricking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fricking dead, kiddo.
>and I will show up to smear your incel ass all over the pavement.
tough guy troony talk is always funny as frick
btw im nta so dont think this is a gotcha
>Blame yourself for your stubborn cuck blood of always wanting to pick fights on the internet that you can't win.
probably the most pathetic thing ive read in a while, jfc.
why do trannies take this site so seriously
you said something incorrect and i told you it was incorrect, you're desperate to feel like you've won this argument or whatever but you just sound like a moronic troony tbh
Letting in the /misc/ election tourists from reddit was a mistake.
/misc/ site
step 1 - go on tv
step 2 - act like lynch is best writer ever
step 3 - feel like you belong
Case in point.
Go back. Stop derailing the thread.