Is this the most retarded "strategy" in military history?

Is this the most moronic "strategy" in military history?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It worked for Napoleon

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So why is he dead?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vaxxed

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So why is he dead?

      Vaxxed

      lol

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty sure he LOSES at the end of that movie.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        To people using the same exact tactics

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Regrettably, I am that guy.

      Napoleon innovated on the linear tactics of the time by concentrating infantry into attack columns supported by heavy concentrations of artillery fire. The artillery disrupted the enemy line while the infantry charged home, dispersing the target unit. Then the breakthrough regiments could turn and fire enfilade into the flanks of the neighboring enemy regiments and force them to fall back or surrender as well.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Gustavus adolphus is the one who started that, napoleon’s most important innovations weren’t in inventing brand new tactics, they were in the application of a more efficient and meritocratic chain of command. It’s the reason so many ranks in the military have a French name. Corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, major, colonel, etc.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The guns sucked, being in a line and marching up to your enemy gave you a better chance to actually hit something. That and it was a terror strategy. Imagine being some people armed with shit like swords and spears, then these guys just walk up in a big line, drums banging, all armed with sticks that shoot fire and smoke

    It worked for awhile. Then when everyone had the same capabilities it became kind of moronic

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Then when everyone had the same capabilities it became kind of moronic
      no no... that was why it was a tactic; equally matched national armies comprised of musketeers really only could effectively match each other by lining up (QUITE FAR AWAY RELATIVE TO THE ACCURACY OF THE MUSKET) and ripping volleys at one another until one side broke.
      if they were fighting indians in the trees with bows and arrows they would quickly stop with the "line infantry" deal

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        not really they would just not go into the trees and burn down their village instead.

        Battle formations were a tactical and a strategic advantage for over 3000 years and they still kinda are just not so much for infantry.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          what did the red indians do when their villages were being burned?
          lazing about that's what

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            They just sat around and smokum peace pipe. Look how far that got those fricking stoners.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was never really effective. What worked was artillery concentrations followed by infantry attacks. That has been the name of the game all the way up to present day.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It also provided people with a mob mentality in battle. You got into the mindset of "sure people will die, but I'll be fine as long as I'm part of the pack."
      It ended with the invention of the machine gun.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        WWI was fricking tragic
        Pretty sure we're still reeling from its effects

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          We are. Instead of 20 million European men colonizing the earth, they died in some trench fighting over 300 meters of land. Those 20 million could be 150 million by now.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's why we need immigration, chud.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              These posts arent even entertaining. Kys plsxjd4mk

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          The entire modern world has its roots in the 2 world wars. Culture, fashion, manufacturing companies. They'll be remembered as something like the Mongol invasions or the discovery of America.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Meh, Europe basically recovered by the 1930s. at least with dabbing on Napoléon and Pax Brittanica and Europes population recovering from centuries of war so that they could go die in ww1, also they were many medical breakthroughs during the war probably saved millions of lives today. Ww2 was the real tragedy affecting culture and the current pozzed state of the world today along with the rise of the ~~*Americans*~~ and the evil that came from that

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          WW1 was the natural end result of the French Revolution, which was the real tragedy that marked the end of European power (though it took a century the results to catch up). The FR was a ploy by the non-noble rich to seize power from the mobility whose rule they were straining under. As soon as the oligarch class saw people were now ready and willing to put kings into the background, they all seized power over the following century and turned Europe and North America into the businessman ruled shitholes it is today. The biggest tragedy for the white race was the French Revolution.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            the biggest tragedy was the communist takeover of russia in 1917 and the cold war, if you remove those two main events, Black person worshipping wouldn't have existed

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Black person worshipping wouldn't have existed

              the central bankers were already getting goyim to dance to Black jive by the 1890s with ragtime. but again, central bankers seizing power was a result of the power vacum caused by the extinction of the old nobility and rise of the merchantile classes.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                yes, bourgeoisie society+ industrial revolution during the XIXth Century paved the way for mass society which slowly throughout the 20th Century eroded socio-cultural norms but the cold war and the october revolution certainly played a key role in things going out of control

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                shut up twitter moron

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bad take if you aren't born into immense wealth already

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Wrong. The whole point of nobility was to protect commoners from the people running the market economy. A wealthy ruling class that gets all of its money from taxing the commoners has a vested interest in making sure commoners can afford to pay taxes.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >French ruined everything
            To the surprise of no one.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      No. It was the fact that muskets coincidentally appeared alongside the age of absolutism when modern states emerged ruled by autocratic kings that were more focused on maintaining internal power than waging real war against their neighbors. The army was a way to occupy the noble losers who had claims to the throne but no money or backing to seize it, and the army was the perfect institution to absorb the troublesome elements of society like criminals and vagabonds and revolutionaries. It didn't matter if they died in droves against another nation, because nobody was waging wars to actually displace other monarchs so at worst you lost a border town or fort. In fact the more soldiers that died the better, more potential threats to the monarchs rule removed, less pensions to pay. And there was nothing disorganised peasants could do to seriously threaten a column of the king's infantry and the sheer spectacle of numbers was often enough to quell potential uprisings, so marching them about en masse to instill fear and awe in the civilian populace instead of breaking them up into platoons and squads was also beneficial.

      In serious wars tactics were changed and modified, like during the American Revolution, but by and large the gunpowder age was an era of inconsequential and unserious war. As soon as someone got serious and shook up the game, like the Swedes under Adolphus or the French after the revolution, tactics changes perceptibly while the threat remained.

      The problem with homosexuals who think seriously like OP is that they think they're smarter today than people in the past were. Humans are rational human beings, they did what they did at the time because it was the best way to achieve their goals with the means they had available. Only an actual dumbass thinks everyone up to 1918 was just tol stupid to wage war "properly".

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        we have one that can see...

        The guns sucked, being in a line and marching up to your enemy gave you a better chance to actually hit something. That and it was a terror strategy. Imagine being some people armed with shit like swords and spears, then these guys just walk up in a big line, drums banging, all armed with sticks that shoot fire and smoke

        It worked for awhile. Then when everyone had the same capabilities it became kind of moronic

        you're a grown adult, it's time you start questioning the really moronic shit you were told in state mandated public schooling instead of mindlessly repeating it.

        Those soldiers were sent to their deaths on purpose.

        WWI was fricking tragic
        Pretty sure we're still reeling from its effects

        ww1 was to cull the old nobility and wipe out the last remnance of monarchy
        ww2 was to cull the upstart middleclass and reset the population growth of the lower class which was ballooning thanks to industrial aggricultural techniques

        people finally started questioning this shit during the vietnam war, which forced the transition into the so called volunteer army. But as ukrainehas demonstrated, the sleavy businessmen who replaced the nobility will just as happily draft you and fight until the last (you) because the purpose of war is to remove excess/undesirable populations.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          maybe. the purpose of war is to make money and displace a population most recently.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ww1 was to cull the old nobility and wipe out the last remnance of monarchy
          Those wars were declared by the monarcy, why were they wanting to get rid of themselves? You can't just look at some outcomes of these things and decide it was all orchestrated to achieve that, sometimes it actually just was what's written in the history books

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        interesting analysis

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          This guy can easily be a powerful revered warrior

          Go to mma gym. You can be a modern day gladiator minus dying for nothing

          Better yet, once you have a few fights you realise violence is overrated and you can chill out

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >thinks everyone up to 1918
        People seem to think that the whole 19th century had the same gunpowder tactics when it didn't.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        both you an OP are mouthbreathing morons who BY FAR overestimate both the accuracy of smoothbore muskets (both inherent inaccuracy in addition to the smoke and haze of black powder gunfire), and the rate at which the common soldier was sending lead downrange.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        First paragraph=straight up moronation on a biblical scales

        Last paragraph=well said.

        Fricking bizarre post.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The scene wasn't a realistic depiction of linear tactics. A small group of French fusiliers is firing from extreme range and somehow dropping entire files of men from the British battalion. Looked liked a hundred casualties including the colonel and all the officers.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        were you there? no? then shut the frick up

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t. ridley scott
          underrated

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I actually was there but I wasn't paying attention because
          >nothing ever happens

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    no more moronic than medieval muh chivalry shit or romans sacrificing 5000 goats before deciding to make a charge

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is that Sookie from True Blood?

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It didn't matter how stupid it was, Europe mostly agreed to fight that way and thats all that mattered.

    >I disagree with you
    >Ok, Im going to send 10,000 troops to this spot
    >Alright, Im sending 12,000 troops there too
    >fast forward
    >"Ah you have bested me, consider our beef squashed for now"

    The end. Kind of crazy that men were either farming in dirt or being sent out to die for 99% of human history, its amazing to be living today in an era with relative peace, technology, knowledge, and freedom.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      can’t tell if this is irony or genuine brainwashing

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >general is sitting in a luxurious mansion flustered and anxious
    >ebony skinned maid walks in with handmade treats
    >he smashes them to the floor
    >"it is hopeless, we keep losing every battle!!"
    >she quickly glances at the battle map
    >in an instant she casually replies "have ya tried puttin' them cannons on dat dere high ground?"
    >slow zoom in on the general's face
    >cut to montage of victories across the land
    >cuts back to maid washing dishes in a dark kitchen
    >orchestral version of Zombie starts playing
    with their tanks and their bombs...

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >orchestral version of Zombie starts playing
      KEK made me look up something else

      Ridley should have used this in Napoleon lol

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Mr. Scott, I have something I think you'll really like for the third theatrical trailer for Napoleo-
        >Third? If you think I'm bothering with a third trailer you're out of your mind. The audience can go to hell.
        >Oh...yes, sir. Sorry, sir.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Using the same strategy during ww1 when guns and artillery became far more accurate was moronic.
    Anyway OP is moronic himself knowing nothing about military history and shitpostin same shit over and over

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    guns were still pretty unweildly but at the same time made any other strategy useless so the result was just fricking standing there shooting each other until the other side runs away
    >bu bu but just use cover and win
    using cover just slowed your firing rate down letting your enemy advance and pin you down

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You got btfo'd last thread so why do this again? Militaries spend ridiculous amounts of money through all history on parades. Why? To flex on enemies.

    This strategy is the same. It shows dominance when you refuse to hide but march, not run, towards your enemy in the open with bright red uniforms. Why did the French get stereotyped as cowards? Because the British mastered intimidation.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This strategy is the same. It shows dominance when you refuse to hide but march, not run, towards your enemy in the open with bright red uniforms. Why did the French get stereotyped as cowards? Because the British mastered intimidation.
      True. Pretty much all of human history with set-piece battles apparently more people were killed when one side broke and ran than in the actual front lines fighting.

      The ancient greeks would say phobos (fear/panic) is the master of the battlefield. It's also contagious among troops - if you see guys from your side turning and running you naturally want to do it too. In these battles it was common for some solders to be pissing and shitting themselves. So intimidation as a strategy has always been effective.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >for pretty much all of human history
        There are some notable exceptions to that, such as cannae. Every soldier’s worst fear is ending up in that kind of scenario. Usually panic would break out after an army was outmaneuvered or forced to break formation by enemy artillery.

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    -Due to being inaccurate, each rifle fired had a certain % chance to incapacitate its target. It could miss up and down or side to side, and might not hit a critical part of the body.
    -1 person firing at 10 people has about a 10% chance to inflict a kill, increased to 20% since if it misses to the side, it can still hit.
    -10 people firing at one person has about a 100% chance to inflict a kill.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's not a strategy. It's tactics. It's the natural evolution of pike and shot.
    Get rid of the pikes and turn the muskets into pikes. You have to mass fire for any real effect because reload rates and accuracy are both shit for early muskets. As soon as you start seeing improvements to muskets (see American long rifles during the French and Indian and Revolutionary Wars) then you start seeing irregular guerilla tactics.

    If they had tried to fight dispersed, rather than in formation, they would be vulnerable to cavalry charges.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are packed to defend against cavalry and lay down a wall of fire against it.
      This scholar and gentleman gets it.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is it really that moronic? To kill someone’s with a sword you have to get right up to them where they’re also in range to kill you with a sword. To kill someone with an M16 you still have to get within range and have a straight line of sight where they could theoretically shoot you right back.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maximization of firepower. Think of it like this, you can fire every 30 seconds, so one guy puts two shots downfield a second. Now expanding it into a formation lets say you have a hundred guys, you’re spread out and in cover, lets say you each have about a three foot radius circle, still a close formation by modern standards so covering 600 yards your entire unit can fire 200 rounds a minite. But what if we lined you up shoulder to shoulder covering 600 yards? Now your 600 yard front is firing about 600 rounds a minute. Now lets put a second rank and have them fire over your heads or step out in front of you and fire while you’re reloading with you firing in front of them while they reload, now you have 1200 rounds per minute.

    This improved density of fire is highly useful in protecting against the secondary danger which is melee. Beyond being able to form an effective wall of bayonets the high rate of fire can whittle down assault units which is why assault columns were vital since if a unit is 60 guys deep and you can only hit the front rank or two per volley you’ll be unable to kill everyone (or more reasonably break unit cohesion) before they reach melee combat.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those dudes with slow loading muskets conquered 3/4 of the planet.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Massed infantry formations were the only way to fight with muskets.

    When you're using a weapon where its effective range relative to its rate of fire is such that the enemy could charge you and get into melee before you had a chance for a second volley, you need to fight in formation with bayonets so that you don't get overrun.

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Large scale coordination before radio existed

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    you now realize the purpose of war is intentional population culls. the upper class always fear a slave uprising, so they routinely send out poor people to die on purpose when lower class population numbers get uncomfortably high or when resources get too expensive to keep the slaves fed.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, dudes with buffalo hide shields and spears charging Brits at Rorke’s Drift was pretty dumb.
    Human wave attacks during WW1 trench warfare was pretty dumb.
    French knights at Crécy and Agincourt were pretty dumb.
    Soviet mass attacks were pretty dumb.
    Japanese Banzai charges in WW2 were pretty dumb.
    You posting this fricking thread for the fiftieth time is pretty dumb.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand what makes people spam a thread for a fricking decade.
    This Black person and the 'gallops on his horse and says the name and keeps riding guy' are fricking looney.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think I'd be more scared to stand in the front line of a push of pike or an ancient hoplite battle.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How the hell did they get anyone to stand at the front of these formations? It's basically guaranteed death.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      no it isnt. it's a game of chicken with the side that shoots first losing. if you shoot too early, nothing prevents the survivors of the other line to walk right up to you and shoot you in cold blood, meaning the side that shot too early is bound to break formation and flee instead.

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    they did not have good tactics 1000 years ago people were pretty much all moronic living in mud huts. so them fighting like this makes sense if you think about it.

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Trench Warfare also seems incredily moronic
    So will being bombed by a drone that posts your death on the internet, to people in the future.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everything post Napoleon till 1922 is tainted by the cult of the offense, despite Napoleon tactics being outdated 20 years after Napoleon, it was in all the military textbooks and handbooks when the officer cores were being trained in thier 20s, who were making the decisions in thier 40s

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Trench Warfare also seems incredily moronic
      its just a big ass heavily guarded border

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Trench Warfare also seems incredily moronic
      trench warfare only makes sense if you have enough troops to frontline the entire territory you want to protect. if you dont, you will have a meeting engagement with the opposing at a place that both sides deem acceptable. there is no point in entrenching if the other side will just deny you battle until you emerge in the open. or worse, bypass you and ravage your countryside

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It seems moronic because the ones currently relying on it are lazy stupid slava that refuse to put so much as a twig over their trench leaving them totally exposed not only to artillery and grenades but also to the multitude of drones that now haunt the battlefield. Most of those Ukrainian drone deaths could've been prevented by those lazy fricks taking 3 hours to chop a tree up and putting overhead cover on their position but they'd rather sit there sniffing their own farts until a lancet slams into them.

      Meanwhile over in Gaza the Muslims spent years making tunnels to nullify Israel's overwhelming technological advantage and fought the IDF to a bloody stalemate by popping out of holes Cong style and blasting vulnerable israelites before retreating back into the earth. Trench warfare will be the only effective means of the defensive part of warfare going forward, but it's not enough to dig 4-5 feet down anymore, you have to go right into the Earth and create elaborate tunnel systems that invalidate air and artillery and drones.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        kek, the majority of drone deaths are russian. not to mention the dozens of armored vehicles they send straight into minefields or the infantry straight into meat grinders to be slaughtered for no gains. I almost feel bad for them watching the hundreds of videos a month of russian lives being snuffed out for a war that has no purpose

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeahhhhhh this isn't /k/ fella. Everyone knows the Russians have already won and lost way less men to do so.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >most drone deaths are Russian
          >source: western media sites
          Go on Russian telegrams and you’ll see just as many Ukrainians being killed. From everything I’ve seen and read it does seem that the casualty rate is nearly 1 to 1.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >popping out of holes Cong style and blasting vulnerable israelites before retreating back into the earth
        I want a tattoo that says this

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >could only fire twice a minute (three times if very well trained)
    >melee a real possibility
    >short range of weapons
    >inaccurate

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a good strategy because you don't have to pay dead soldiers.

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    Anonymous
  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    That may be true, but it's also beautiful.

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    he's confusing strategy with tactics.

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      So does the square just trump all cavalry? Do they have a counter?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        How could they counter it? By their very nature cavalry could not match the same troop density that infantry could meaning they could never win in a shooting engagement. Horses do not want to charge in a wall of knives and even if they did and you managed to kill even 3 soldiers you still lose because you are guaranteed to die by riding your horse into a mass of bayonet wielding men. There's no flank or rear to attack. All you could do is gallop helplessly around the formation firing into them hoping they don't shoot you back.

        Cavalry were what special forces are now. On the front lines, against regular units standing their ground, they had little value. They were meant to harass vulnerable flanks and rear positions, scout, chase down beaten foes, etc.

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did the Colonists become so good at fighting/battle because of all the Indians they had to kill to settle the land?

    I mean, how does the British Military lose to a bunch of farmers and townspeople?

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    No radios and loud battles meant tight formations kept unit coherency. They were still using battlelines and walking fire even in WW2 and Korea. Much more than people let on.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No radios and loud battles meant tight formations kept unit coherency
      That actually makes a lot of sense.

  40. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Back then this was the only way you could stand a chance in many scenarios. It looks crazy so why did they do this? The main reasons are
    >no instant communication
    Can’t coordinate with anyone out of shouting distance, so looser formations have a terrible time trying to maneuver coherently, especially on the offensive
    >fog of war
    Can’t see or hear anyone more than a few feet away once the dirty black powder guns start firing
    >cavalry
    Can’t defend against a horse charge without dense formations. Horses are way more hardcore and scary than people realize.
    >battlefield logistics
    It’s a lot easier for ammo and powder to be replenished for a block of guys than for people to run out supplies to small groups. Line formation also wasn’t really as ubiquitous as people assume, scouting, ambushing, and loose formations still existed back then too.

  41. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    how long did it take for these idiots to understand that walking into bullets = bad

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Back then walking into bullets was a hell of a lot less scary than being caught in the open alone with mounted cavalry chasing you down.

  42. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It makes me laugh when military cucks get all big headed and full of unwarranted pride

    You're basically risking your life and limbs for the system and very poor money. Why would anyone do that. I guess they market it really well (movies and videogames)

    >SeMpEr Fi!!!

    Dumbasses lmao

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