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It's...possible? We used to call them normalgays but 'gays' isn't acceptable anymore.
homosexualry has never been acceptable.
You're a frickin moron
>he says as the romans were buttfricking each other at the same time period
christhomosexualry revsionism strikes again
Stop contradicting my 2000 year old storybook that has been written countless times by people with various agendas! SAVE ME SKY DADDY!
Go on then, tell the class some significant differences between Bible translations. For the sake of time, start with the most significant. Keep in mind that we can look at the Dead Sea scrolls (early manuscripts untouched for millennia) to corroborate later transcriptions.
Just dropping by to remind the class that the Dead Sea Scrolls are "early" in the sense that they pre-date the New Testament by about two hundred years, the original texts would be about 300 years older then that.
To further clarify, they are ""early"" in that they include the oldest complete surviving Old Testament manuscripts, plus some other literature, but nothing of the New Testament.
The earliest surviving New Testament manuscript fragments go back to "only" the 2nd century.
The only version of the Bible that is valid is MY version. I'm God's favoritest child.
He isn't talking about translation you dolt. He is talking about the very text itself. Different books were written by different people from different eras with different agendas. It's not a coherent book. There is not the slightest dispute of this what so ever. Even the most hardcore Christians accepted it. They just believed the spaghetti monster made it so that only people who were 'correct' would have their stuff written in it.
To give you an idea of how silly this is. Do you beleive in Moses? Do you believe he lived thousands of years? Well if not he couldn't have written the first 5 books (including the book that is against homo). And the entire reason those books are supposed to be sacred is because they were not written by random dudes by Moses. You don't. You don't think a 1,000 year old magical israelite wrote these 5 books. You don't even know the basis for the arguments of biblical sacredness.
Romans were also crucifying people and shitting in their drinking water. Should we do that too because le based romans did?
Idk how you could be gay back then.
Romans weren't Christian you fricking monkey
Even in Rome it was controversial at the least
Ancient Rome and Greece were not the homosexual paradises that homosexuals claim they were.
It was at best slightly more tolerated than say, Medieval Christian Europe.
But if you were a homosexual in ancient Greece or Rome, you were still considered lower status than a woman and other men openly mocked and laughed at you for being a homosexual. Your lot in life was significantly lower and the only thing more frowned upon than you were lepers.
Was Zeus low status?
>[Ganymedes] was the loveliest born of the race of mortals, and therefore
the gods caught him away to themselves, to be Zeus' wine-pourer,
for the sake of his beauty, so he might be among the immortals.
—Homer, Iliad, Book XX, lines 233–235
Or was Homer part of the conspiracy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganymede_(mythology)
You are a weirdo heterosexual desperate for validation. That's why you want to say everyone, the Greeks, the Romans, the medieval, had the exact same mentality you did. Even the Medieval concept of sexuality is so different from what we have now. A lot of them say butt sex and masturbation as the same thing.
>Was Zeus low status?
Zeus was a god. Gods are above mortal morality and actions.
Zeus was also a degenerate who regularly cheated on his wife and took the form of animals to impregnate mortal women.
Are you saying adultery and bestiality are also acceptable for humans because Zeus did it?
Boy fricking was modelled on Zeus's relationship.
You are talking about morality. The Greek religion is not a moral religion. It's not about good and evil. That's the semetic world view. No Greek person would ever have this type of thought process you are talking about.
>No Greek person would ever have this type of thought process you are talking about.
Tell that to ancient Athens during the 5th century BC when they decided "Actually, maybe fricking other men is a bad thing".
Ancient Greece was okay with homosexualry until it wasn't, and once it wasn't, it never became okay with it again. Especially in your example of Zeus, where an older man (Zeus) decided to frick a pretty little twink (Ganymede) in his butthole. That was the first thing to get thrown out with the public bath water.
And the Ancient Greeks did have a form of morality. It was simply the morality of the gods themselves, and not man. Worshippers believed that their destinies were predetermined by the gods. They followed the moral failings and virtues of the Gods they worshipped.
You didn't model your life after a set of morality defined by laws and good sense, but by aligning your own actions with the actions of the Gods you worshipped. It was morality without personal accountability, and consigning your actions to the will and mimicry of a sky daddy or sky mommy.
No different than what your average Christian does. Only Christians have exactly one god to follow the morals of, and that god is a lot more consistent than the Ancient Greek gods as he has a very simple to follow ten step program with one of those steps being to ignore other gods.
Morality is a tricky thing to define, but the Ancient Greeks did have laws that needed to be followed and social mores that were expected to be practiced. One can argue that morality and law are not intrinsically linked, after all slavery was legal in most of the world for much of human history but we can agree it not a moral thing to do, yet most cultures also have an understanding that walking up to somebody in the middle of the day and ramming a blade into their heart for no reason other than you felt like it is not a very nice thing to do and thus shouldn't be done by civilized humans.
Then how do you explain things like Socrates, the Sacred Band of Thebes, Hephaestion, Bagoas, and Antinous? The matter is clearly a lot more nuanced than you think it is.
The one who responded to first addressed your point. When I said meant by saying you have a semetic world view and no Greek person would ever think like you I am saying you have such a narrow view that you can't even have a point worthy of being addressed like the first anon did.
You are stuck on this religion=morality thing. Polytheistic religions are rarely moral. Because one god likes something another way. Another likes something a different way. And so on. Athena sends the hero out to do something but it ends up getting Poseidon's favorite Cyclops killed. So Poseidon fricks with the hero. There aren't good guys. You side with certain gods and against other gods. You obey gods who are powerful because they can harm you not because it's the right thing to do. And at the same time you look for way to cheat those powerful gods.
You said Zeus a degenerate. All the Gods are degenerates. All the heros are degenerates. And they are worshipped for their degeneracy. Because degenercy is a concept that only exists in one narrow world view. So in their world no one is a degenerate because that world view doesn't exist. This is just a lengthy way of me trying to explain to you that different cultures are DIFFERENT. And culture doesn't mean dancing and singing it means fundamental ways of viewing and describing EVERYTHING.
You're exaggerating as hard as the "homosexual paradise" people. It's true that there were some stigmas and biases against gays, and they were far from glorified or normalized. But they weren't lower status than women and they weren't barely above lepers. Where are you getting this nonsense from?
>abomination
it doesn't say that, it says Toveah meaning that it is forbidden to Israelites in the same way worship others' gods is forbidden
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וְאֶ֨ת־זָכָ֔ר לֹ֥א תִשְׁכַּ֖ב מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֑ה תּֽוֹעֵבָ֖ה הִֽוא:
>"And you will not lay [with] a male [like] those who lay with a woman, it is toveah."
For israelites, worshipping Jesus is Toveah. Bit i like to see people replace Toveah with Abomination in that instance
I don't have to obey the law book from a failed nation state. The law book of my current nation state has zero issue.
And you yourself do not follow the law book of the ancient Israeli either. There is all kinds of stuff in there about weird rituals, what you can eat, etc. You haven't even read it.
Don't lump me in with you religious nutjobs. I hate gays because they're just naturally repulsive, you hate them because some israelite book written by desert schizos said so.
This is literally
>I don't like it so no one else should
Ok you aren't are religious nut. You are a brat.
"Normies" is older than "normalgay" in the large scheme of things, many different shows used it, even on early Cinemaphile before the normie tourism we used to say it
Yes normalgays say it now to refer to other normalgays who don't like the same thing, not realizing they themselves are huge normies, and also because they're too scared of the word 'gay'
But it's not new whatsoever
There's a lot of slang like that actually which is very old and was used on the web long before the era of common normie internet, like "sus" or "schizo" and stuff like that, but nowadays is associated with normies because when THEY discovered it they started using it a billion % times more often than we ever did
You know, I actually went through the archive to look for old usage of the word "normie", since I didn't really recall seeing it in my older days of the chan. It was barely used, mostly sarcastic and or by obvious tourists "Normie here", kind of thing, which is likely why I didn't recall seeing it, but I think you are mostly right regardless.
What did matter is that I almost cry reading stuff from Cinemaphile, or other boards, from 16 to even 13 or 12 years ago. IT WAS BETTER, it's not a fricking illusion. I am still here because I long for something utterly and absolutely dead.
which archive do you mean
You are fricking with me, right?
Don't answer. If I didn't think you were actually an "oldgay" before, I know for a fact you are not now.
Use google you moronic shitstain.
I use "normalgay" all the time, "normies" is only used by newbies. You're not a newbie, are you, Anon?
Caring about being called or perceived as a newbie is a newbie thing. After you've been here long enough, you fully internalize that nobody cares about you from thread to thread and you can post whatever you want. Caring about peer pressure or fitting in on an anonymous board is the height of cringe.
Sneed.
newbie
homosexual detected.
>ALRIGHT WISE GUY, LET’S SEE YOU CLEAR THE WATERSHED
Here it is being used in nobody's favorite movie, the garbage pail kids
Is this really what kids think? That cartoons invent slang instead of copying it? Every time something tried to create an original bit of slang, it always comes off as something out of a corporate think tank.
I mean "Braniac" was popularized by a comic.
Braniac was coined by the comic. It's a portmanteau of brain and UNIVAC.
I can't remember anybody saying "normies" before Family Guy. And when I started hearing it, it was in reference to this scene. Family Guy references were big in the early 2000s online culture, people used to post "because you touch yourself at night" all the time as a response.
IIRC the origin point is Fallout 1. It's what Seth, the (ghoul) leader of Necropolis calls humans.
Nah, like another anon said, 12 step groups were using it in the 80's. I know for a fact that the NA Blue Book has it, and that book was published in 1982.
Every generation thinks they invented slang
Kryptonite as a slang for "weakness" was invented by Superman.
Bugs Bunny made Nimrod mean Stupid, and also created the popular impression that rabbits eat a lot of carrots.
Popeye made Goon mean a hired thug instead of a generally dumb person.
The phrase "Keeping up with the Joneses" comes from the comic of the same name.
Milquetoast comes from Caspar Milquetoast, a character in a comic from the 1920's.
Poindexter comes from Felix the Cat.
Worrywort comes from Worry Wart, a 1920's cartoon character.
Embiggen and Cromulent botb come from the Simpsons and are both official words in the dictionary now.
Cowabunga was invented by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
>Cowabunga was invented by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Try googling Chief Thunderthud.
Yes.
It's NORP you bunch of sussy baka henshin no cap normie noob normalgay newbies
Stewie Is Enceinte was one of the first instances of meme magic
People were using the term before Family Guy aired. If you accept "normals" as equivalent to "normies" this goes back to at least the 80s.
More than that. People in AA and other support groups like it were literally using "normies" in the late 80s.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/normie
It's an easy enough term to come up with independently of anything else, but Family Guy was probably what popularized it online as far as I can tell.
>People in AA and other support groups like it were literally using "normies" in the late 80s.
Maybe Family Guy might've been inspired by this, considering it was a group for beautiful people talking about outsiders.
I'm pretty sure "normies" is actually attributed to AA. I think they invented the term.
I coulda sworn it was in a simpson’s treehouse of horror episode before that. Though there it was just “norms.”
forgot how decent old family guy was.