Is this worth reading? It's not canon anymore, is it? DC's continuity is hard to understand as a newcomer.
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Is this worth reading? It's not canon anymore, is it? DC's continuity is hard to understand as a newcomer.
Is this worth reading? It's not canon anymore, is it? DC's continuity is hard to understand as a newcomer.
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No capeshit comic is worth reading. Especially one about SHITman.
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Yes. It's not canon, but it's probably the most influential Superman origin story told since the original, and set the standard for what the character was going to be like for about the next 30 years.
Plus the art is pretty good.
Everything DC is supposed to be canon now last time I checked.
No one ever explains what that means when they post it.
>No one ever explains what that means when they post it.
A few years ago DC said frick it, and now everything is cannon, but also nothing is. Honestly, the whole thing is a clusterfrick that no one defends or understands. The reality is that DC fricked itself with the New 52 and their attempt to fix it only made things worse, so now they aren't even trying.
Try to wrap your head around this: The Death of Superman is cannon, but all the pages with Superboy aren't cannon. BUT we recently found out that those pages are cannon again, only that it was made cannon in a book that might not be cannon.
You see the issue.
Do the characters remember what happened to them in the alternate realities? Does Superman have memories of his multiple origins?
Only when it matters to the story, which is basically never. Technically, Superman was already a merging of the New 52 rebooted Superman and the Post-Crisis Superman brought from the Post-Crisis era of the timeline into the New 52 timeline. So Superman's backstory is extra stupid, over and above the rest of the nonsense. They wanted to make the oldgays happy, by bringing back their Superman from the stories that they read, but also they didn't want to piss off the new readers that had been following the New 52 Superman.
Seemingly, everything happened, except the parts that didn't. Which are the parts that didn't? The parts that mess up all future stories that haven't been written or even thought of yet. But for sure the relationship between Superman and Wonder Woman from New 52 Superman didn't happen, since Post-Crisis Superman is married to Lois and they have a kid together.
It's all a lesson in learning that continuity doesn't matter and no one should care, because the editors didn't have a plan for the aftermath of any reboot, and the writers don't read the previous comics to even care to try. Just find an arc that you want to read, or a character that looks interesting.
It's much easier to find something to read, by asking someone, by giving them genres of stories you already like. They'll be able to suggest to you characters that have stories told in those genres, rather than trying to treat every comic between crises as necessary reading as the next chapter in a novel.
DC doesn't know what it means either
What it really means is that writers aren't going to get bogged down by exact details for the most obscure shit and things no one but a few old hardcore fans care about. You know how Harley Quinn didn't exist in the mainline comics until No Man's Land? Yeah, that doens't matter. they'll have her show up in Dick's Robin era because people remember BTAS where they were contemporaries. You know how Supergirl was the Matrix blob and then a fusion of the Matrix blob and a human girl and then an angel?Unless otherwise stated, that doesn't matter, it's Kara and she's been around since the early days of Superman.
World's finest is the peak example of what they're going for. This gets anal continuity nerds upset but it's for the best.
Why couldn't they just pretend they were on Earth 1 again? That it was Pre-Crisis-like continuity but in the modern day like in All Star?
Because that's also bogging it down on details. There's iconic stuff in E1 but also moronic shit like the JSA being on another Earth and not just an older generation of heroes or Black canary being an E2 refugee who's a fusion of her mom and daughter.
>but also moronic shit like the JSA being on another Earth
That’s not moronic at all. In fact, it worked better when that was the case. It allows Superman to be the first superhero on both Earths. That and the JSA are a lesser concept compared to the much better JLA and should be kept to its own space as to not clutter the DCU with unnecessary bullshit.
Basically, everyone in the DC Universe remembers their Nu52, Post-Crisis and Pre-Crisis histories. Even the bits that directly contradict each other.
That's moronic. You gotta wonder what goes on in the minds of the cretins who approve this shit.
That must cause an insane amount of relationship drama
Do different versions of characters have a hivemind then?
I've explained it multiple times. DC Universe exists in a Quantum State where any given character can have multiple conflicting histories and the only thing that matters is that a writer be consistent in their own run. They've embraced Hawksnarl rather than try to run away from it.
DC has no continuity anymore.
>canongay
>reads comics
Pick one.
Why would canonicity matter? You're going about reading a story, the wrong way. Who gives a shit what the progressives are writing about now? DC/Marvel/Indies haven't written anything good in years.
I am reading the Superman book being published right now, and Action Comics, and I'm curious how the older comments connect.
They don't, because new writers aren't comic fans and don't regularly read(or have read) comics. They do the bare minimum assigned reading from the editors, to know the general details, and then do whatever they want.
It means nothing that long time fans wouldn't have already told you. That it's the same character that survived through all the various reboots, The Batman you read now, is the same "Batman" that your grandpa read before WW2, and all the various crises only changed reality around the characters. Sometimes de-aging them, other times, not. Sometimes with a drastically different origin, other times, not. It's been pretty obvious since Convergence, and made even more obvious with the stuff around Dark Crisis.
I’m so sick of you homosexual ass casuals. Fricking have a nice day you ugly homosexual
Being a casual is the only way to enjoy shit anymore. As soon as you become anything more than a general fan does everything about the IP turn to shit.
When it comes to superhero comics the best thing to do is just disregard canon and find the good stories. Some of the best comics out there are self contained alternate universes and arcs that have long since been retconned. Byrne's Superman is pretty good for the most part.
>When it comes to superhero comics the best thing to do is just disregard canon and find the good stories. Some of the best comics out there are self contained alternate universes and arcs that have long since been retconned.
Yeah that's fine. I'm just struggling to grasp DC's very complicated continuity. Marvel's is easy. What happened to Spider-Man in the books from the 70's still happened to Spider-Man today.
>I'm just struggling to grasp DC's very complicated continuity
It's a linear path, where the comics happened, and then the editors go "frick it", throw everything in the garbage and then write new stuff.
It's one continued story from the original Superman comic, to 1985's Crisis On Infinite Earths, referred to as Pre-Crisis.
Everything after Crisis On Infinite Earths, until 2005's Infinite Crisis is another continued story, referred to as Post-Crisis.
Everything after Infinite Crisis, until 2016's Rebirth is another continued story, referred to as the New 52.
There's been some smaller "crises" along the way, in and out of them, that just tweak little bits and pieces.
As far as I know, we're still technically still in the Rebirth era, but I haven't followed DC for a few years now, and we might technically be in Dawn of DC, after the Dark Crisis bs, but I really wouldn't worry about making heads or tails of the current DC cosmology or metaphysics, because the editors and writers don't really care all that much about that anymore.
Now they just write woke stories in an attempt at getting new readers, while trying their best to pander to the oldgays, to keep them buying too. If I was you, I'd just go back and read Superman and Batman from 1939, and read until 1985. Then read from 1985, until you lose interest, but for sure stop after Infinite Crisis. There's the odd good title in the New 52/Rebirth, that you can read if you want, but DC is basically over at that point.
>What happened to Spider-Man in the books from the 70's still happened to Spider-Man today.
You'd be amazed at how much has been retconned along the way. Personally, I'd stop reading Spider-Man before the Clone Wars happens. There was a pretty obvious ending point, when the writing staff changed before the Clone Wars.
I think Dawn of DC is not a reboot. Just about creating a bunch of new jumping on points for new readers, but the previous continuity is still there.
Post-Crisis is a whole different continuity from Post-Infinite Crisis. Post-IC Superman's origin was John's Secret Origin which has ZERO to do with anything Byrne established of which served as the foundation for Post-Crisis Superman and all his continuing stories. Pretending as if these are all the same characters is ridiculous.
>Is this worth reading?
No, stick to the Silver Age and Bronze Age books.
Just listen to this and flip through it.
Yes, to this day, people still consider it to be the definitive origin of Superman.
Yes.
I disagree fundamentally with Byrne’s take on Superman and almost every conceptual decision he made but I like it anyway because it’s a really good, fun, breezy, well-drawn comic of the “I want to go back” variety.
>He needs things to be canon to read them
I just want to know how the older books relate to the newer ones. It's not a problem if it isn't canon, but I like to know if this happened to the characters in the books being published now.
Yes, it is really good, you get a good chunk of superman.
DC treats Superman like a god.
I’ve never seen a comicbook character get that much wank outside the comics. Even the fricking Flash movie jacked him off and he wasn’t on screen.
90% of time Batman is used as Superman’s mouthpiece for how great he is.
>we need you Clark, and I need you so I can decorate my shrine of you in the batcave.
Whose the closest to this in mainstream? Maybe Iron man? I don’t remember most marvel capeshit movies.
LOL did both Supergays and Batgays filter me? Sad!
The Fortress of Solitude, like really? it’s suppose to be a parallel to how lonely a king is to his peasants. He needs his royal quiet time after supporting his world of b***hes.
That Justice League movie should be renamed to “Superman and his shitty friends.”
I like how Flash and Green Lantern and the rest of league do crazy shit in comics but as soon as they crossover with Superman in mainstream non comic media they start jobbing.
I remember Superman had a cameo in Green Lantern once and it was actually nice to see Clark kind of play second fiddle to actual policemen with super powers. Of course he was super humble and cool about it because its Superman.