What's the Cinemaphile reason for hating King? He does cling to Batman/Catwoman in every story the same way Cates made Knull the villain of everything he wrote. But other wise..
He’s a genuinely awful writer who doesn’t understand or flat out disregards prior characterization to suit his mediocre, derivative plots which he’d know were derivative if he’d ever actually opened a comic with one of the characters he was writing. His staccato dialogue is poorly placed and normally quite poor and yet he uses that same voice for every single character. He wrote the same beta male/alpha female relationship dynamic for 6 years straight and his books before that were largely awful but just like his Batman loved by people who proudly and openly say “I was never a fan of this character until this” while they’re universally loathed by people who did love the character before.
He writes comics for people who hate comics, capes for people who think capes are stupid. And not comics that change their mind but comics that wink to them and tell them “you’re right it is all moronic let’s just use the costumes as dress-up time for our OCs and laugh so we keep from crying.” He’s a less comedic Mark Russell, but both are equally soulless and horrible in their approach to comics.
It’s like writing an Anne Frank fan fic for unironic Nazis. You can try to defend the artistic merit of such a thing but you can’t tell me it would be done from a place of admiration for Anne frank.
I still like his pre-Batman work but he was a one trick pony and kept trying to wedge that one trick into everything he wrote. It got old. He has to make his characters miserable. I love Omega Men even as a Kylegay because the story was good and he gave some justification for Kyle acting the way he did but when every book takes a fun character and makes them a miserable sad sack lies hard to overlook. I couldn't even make it through Mister Miracle.
He's extremely poor at handling the concept of mental health in his writing, but makes it the primary focus of most of his stories and is held up as a shining example of how to do it, which is nothing short of dangerous to be frank.
He's also got a long-running line of misogyny in his work where he treats women as being, in essence, solely for the purpose of "fixing" the man they've been assigned to and resolving all their mental struggles. Their whole existence hinges upon their designated man and how they have to coax them into becoming better.
He's pretty heavily uses some of the techniques Moore used in Watchmen. The 9 panel grid, symmetry as a visual motif, emotional realism, the way he weaves in prose bits, the way he weaves in the story within a story that reflects the main themes of the story.
in Peter Milligan I meant he's has had some bad mainstream runs or runs that were reacted to badly by fans, but he's doing inventive stuff and really nails it sometimes.
That's a really stupid thing to say. Milligan failed writing capeshit because he doesn't like capeshit, doesn't read capeshit and doesn't want to keep up with seven different ongoings for continuity sake and then do crossovers. King on the other hand lives and breathes capeshit.
A dead moth is a better writer than Bendis. The guy had 4 words he used repetitively in everything he wrote.
"Ad why am I doing this? Because it's what I do. And why do I structure everyone to ask a question before they make a statement? It's how I write" "And why wont this every change? Because Marvel has no soul or quality control"
Bendis has solid indie crime comics and a Spider-Man run that only really falls apart at the end
Slott has his comedy comics he wrote that aren't too bad
King has.....well...huh...
Bendis has solid indie crime comics and a Spider-Man run that only really falls apart at the end
Slott has his comedy comics he wrote that aren't too bad
King has.....well...huh...
Mister Miracle and Vision are great too!
That's a really stupid thing to say. Milligan failed writing capeshit because he doesn't like capeshit, doesn't read capeshit and doesn't want to keep up with seven different ongoings for continuity sake and then do crossovers. King on the other hand lives and breathes capeshit.
Its not a slight on either. I think King's niche is doing Vertigo style psychological stories and he seems to have found it.
King is a shallow manchild and he can't do "Vertigo style" to save his life. Vision was crappy melodramatic capeshit and Mister Miracle was embarassing.
I don't really like Slott at all but his kid comics he wrote are fine and Bendis is whatever standard dialogue heavy capeshit the only stuff from him that pissed me off was his Superman and ''woke'' (hate that term) crap.
Oh. If you were a Marvel fan in general you'd know why he was universally hated before DC brought him against Supes. He went scorched earth and I think he just realized there was nothing left he hadn't damaged over there.
He's the biggest CIA mockingbird nepobaby in comics. His mom was a big film executive at WB so he will always have a job and marketing promotion at DC for as long as he wants to.
No, his mom that birthed him. If Tom King is also married to a WB film executive, that's funny.
https://spyscape.com/article/action-man-tom-king-the-cia-spy-turned-batman-author
No, his mom that birthed him. If Tom King is also married to a WB film executive, that's funny.
https://spyscape.com/article/action-man-tom-king-the-cia-spy-turned-batman-author
>Born in 1978, King was raised in southern California where his mother worked for Warner Bros. He decided early on that making up stories for a living was his dream job and interned at Marvel and DC Comics while studying philosophy and history at New York’s Columbia University.
>King graduated in 2000 and was working at the Justice Department when four planes slammed into the Pentagon, World Trade Center, and a Pennsylvania field on September 11, 2001. Although King hadn’t envisioned a life chasing jihadis, 9/11 changed everything.
>He decided the Agency was a good fit after reading that the CIA’s first director, Allen Dulles, thought the CIA should be staffed with PhD's who could win a bar fight. King spent a lot of time in Los Angeles and rated his chances in a brawl, he told the Word Balloon podcast.
>Although King didn’t speak any foreign languages and hadn't traveled abroad, he was hired. Even before training at the CIA’s legendary Farm, King was working on the team planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq. One of his craziest early memories was on the eve of the war. King walked into work on the night shift at 10 pm and found CIA Director George Tenet sitting in King’s chair.
https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/1276523524295974912?lang=en
An undying fandom thats willing to suck him off and make excuse for every shit comic he puts out.
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His dd was good. First couple years of usm were good.
King has... sherif of Babylon? Every other book of his is the same shit ooc men becoming crying passes while the women do everything and belittle the men.
No, because he doesn’t hyper-extend himself on writing too many books and he doesn’t attempt to make writing Teenagers his “specialty” like Bendis has.
Bendis only has one good book. And it was a fricking adaptation he barely had to be original.
His dd was good. First couple years of usm were good.
King has... sherif of Babylon? Every other book of his is the same shit ooc men becoming crying passes while the women do everything and belittle the men.
I'd say most of the new52 books tried to, for better or worse, take things in a new direction and most of them debuted with new villains. Ultimate Spider-Man is great, the only good book Bendis wrote, but it's just a modern retelling of what came before. A simplification of others ideas I'm a new package. That doesn't make it bad but when it's your only good comic there's a clear issue.
He's not that bad
he's worse
Is he STILL writing for DC?
Bendis can draw.
Dan Slott is Tom King is like the new Mark Miller
Dan Slott gets too much hate.
What's the Cinemaphile reason for hating King? He does cling to Batman/Catwoman in every story the same way Cates made Knull the villain of everything he wrote. But other wise..
It's mostly his Batman run was poorly received and a bunch of culture warriors memed on him and call him a depressed beta male.
He’s a genuinely awful writer who doesn’t understand or flat out disregards prior characterization to suit his mediocre, derivative plots which he’d know were derivative if he’d ever actually opened a comic with one of the characters he was writing. His staccato dialogue is poorly placed and normally quite poor and yet he uses that same voice for every single character. He wrote the same beta male/alpha female relationship dynamic for 6 years straight and his books before that were largely awful but just like his Batman loved by people who proudly and openly say “I was never a fan of this character until this” while they’re universally loathed by people who did love the character before.
He writes comics for people who hate comics, capes for people who think capes are stupid. And not comics that change their mind but comics that wink to them and tell them “you’re right it is all moronic let’s just use the costumes as dress-up time for our OCs and laugh so we keep from crying.” He’s a less comedic Mark Russell, but both are equally soulless and horrible in their approach to comics.
Mark Russell's good though
have a nice day homosexual
>He writes comics for people who hate comics, capes for people who think capes are stupid
And this is bad because...
It’s like writing an Anne Frank fan fic for unironic Nazis. You can try to defend the artistic merit of such a thing but you can’t tell me it would be done from a place of admiration for Anne frank.
I'm always hearing this argument every time we talk about Alan Moore too. Interesting.
We’ll, it’s clear you’re not being sincere. Have a good day.
>oh shit, I've been unmasked
I still like his pre-Batman work but he was a one trick pony and kept trying to wedge that one trick into everything he wrote. It got old. He has to make his characters miserable. I love Omega Men even as a Kylegay because the story was good and he gave some justification for Kyle acting the way he did but when every book takes a fun character and makes them a miserable sad sack lies hard to overlook. I couldn't even make it through Mister Miracle.
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He's extremely poor at handling the concept of mental health in his writing, but makes it the primary focus of most of his stories and is held up as a shining example of how to do it, which is nothing short of dangerous to be frank.
He's also got a long-running line of misogyny in his work where he treats women as being, in essence, solely for the purpose of "fixing" the man they've been assigned to and resolving all their mental struggles. Their whole existence hinges upon their designated man and how they have to coax them into becoming better.
In technique or influence?
In terms of influence he mainly does DC Black Label books now (post-Batman) and isn't interested in continuity or events.
In terms of writing style he's like a combo of Jeff Lemire and Alan Moore. He uses a lot of Moore's techniques , but his stuff is more psychological.
He's more like the new Peter Milligan.
He writes nothing like Lemire, Moore or especially Milligan.
He's pretty heavily uses some of the techniques Moore used in Watchmen. The 9 panel grid, symmetry as a visual motif, emotional realism, the way he weaves in prose bits, the way he weaves in the story within a story that reflects the main themes of the story.
in Peter Milligan I meant he's has had some bad mainstream runs or runs that were reacted to badly by fans, but he's doing inventive stuff and really nails it sometimes.
That's a really stupid thing to say. Milligan failed writing capeshit because he doesn't like capeshit, doesn't read capeshit and doesn't want to keep up with seven different ongoings for continuity sake and then do crossovers. King on the other hand lives and breathes capeshit.
I like the punchline
Tom King has lead a slightly more interesting life than Bendis, and didn't dip into nearly as many comic properties
Tom King is a better writer than Brian Bendis.
A dead moth is a better writer than Bendis. The guy had 4 words he used repetitively in everything he wrote.
"Ad why am I doing this? Because it's what I do. And why do I structure everyone to ask a question before they make a statement? It's how I write" "And why wont this every change? Because Marvel has no soul or quality control"
Isn't he just another generic edgelord writer? His stuff isn't really indistinguishable from the glut of edgiewedgies out there.
digits say no one can touch Bendis
Bendis has solid indie crime comics and a Spider-Man run that only really falls apart at the end
Slott has his comedy comics he wrote that aren't too bad
King has.....well...huh...
King has Sheriff of Babylon, Grayson, and I'll die on the hill that Omega Men is great.
I thought Grayson was mostly Tim Seeley.
Considering the King led issues are far better than the Seeley ones then I would say... no.
Mister Miracle and Vision are great too!
Its not a slight on either. I think King's niche is doing Vertigo style psychological stories and he seems to have found it.
I like Vision but it really falls apart at the end.
King is a shallow manchild and he can't do "Vertigo style" to save his life. Vision was crappy melodramatic capeshit and Mister Miracle was embarassing.
If you like the garbage Bendis and Slott did then you might as well give King a pass for Vision, Grayson, Omega Men and Batman/Fudd.
I don't really like Slott at all but his kid comics he wrote are fine and Bendis is whatever standard dialogue heavy capeshit the only stuff from him that pissed me off was his Superman and ''woke'' (hate that term) crap.
You never read his Marvel shit, huh?
and I meant bendis
Just Spidey, I don't give a shit about the Avengers
Oh. If you were a Marvel fan in general you'd know why he was universally hated before DC brought him against Supes. He went scorched earth and I think he just realized there was nothing left he hadn't damaged over there.
>King has.....well...huh...
An undying fandom thats willing to suck him off and make excuse for every shit comic he puts out.
>Slott a better Batman writer than King and it's better than his Spidey.
Does this mean King would be a good Spider-Man writer?
He's the biggest CIA mockingbird nepobaby in comics. His mom was a big film executive at WB so he will always have a job and marketing promotion at DC for as long as he wants to.
His mom that he married?
No, his mom that birthed him. If Tom King is also married to a WB film executive, that's funny.
https://spyscape.com/article/action-man-tom-king-the-cia-spy-turned-batman-author
Tom King married his own mom.
>Born in 1978, King was raised in southern California where his mother worked for Warner Bros. He decided early on that making up stories for a living was his dream job and interned at Marvel and DC Comics while studying philosophy and history at New York’s Columbia University.
>King graduated in 2000 and was working at the Justice Department when four planes slammed into the Pentagon, World Trade Center, and a Pennsylvania field on September 11, 2001. Although King hadn’t envisioned a life chasing jihadis, 9/11 changed everything.
>He decided the Agency was a good fit after reading that the CIA’s first director, Allen Dulles, thought the CIA should be staffed with PhD's who could win a bar fight. King spent a lot of time in Los Angeles and rated his chances in a brawl, he told the Word Balloon podcast.
>Although King didn’t speak any foreign languages and hadn't traveled abroad, he was hired. Even before training at the CIA’s legendary Farm, King was working on the team planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq. One of his craziest early memories was on the eve of the war. King walked into work on the night shift at 10 pm and found CIA Director George Tenet sitting in King’s chair.
https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/1276523524295974912?lang=en
>He decided early on that making up stories for a living
Oh so that's how he got in CIA.
So much wokeness in these posts.
Marrying your own mom is supposed to be anti-woke?
No, because he doesn’t hyper-extend himself on writing too many books and he doesn’t attempt to make writing Teenagers his “specialty” like Bendis has.
No bendis made good books once
Bendis only has one good book. And it was a fricking adaptation he barely had to be original.
Funniest joke I've heard all month.
His dd was good. First couple years of usm were good.
King has... sherif of Babylon? Every other book of his is the same shit ooc men becoming crying passes while the women do everything and belittle the men.
>His dd was good
It definitely wasn't.
I always forget he had a large run on DD.
His Daredevil is not good, and Ultimate Spider-Man is just an adaptation of other Spider-Man writers ideas.
His daredevil was better than everyone since.
What about Ed Brubaker?
Waid had a decent run, your argument is invalid.
>Ultimate Spider-Man is just an adaptation of other Spider-Man writers ideas
Isn't that every reboot of big two title?
I'd say most of the new52 books tried to, for better or worse, take things in a new direction and most of them debuted with new villains. Ultimate Spider-Man is great, the only good book Bendis wrote, but it's just a modern retelling of what came before. A simplification of others ideas I'm a new package. That doesn't make it bad but when it's your only good comic there's a clear issue.