Is Tom Taylor right about Jon being more heroic than his father?
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Is Tom Taylor right about Jon being more heroic than his father?
Is Tom Taylor right about Jon being more heroic than his father?
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No. Clark sacrificed way more than Jon ever did. Being Gay won't give him an automatic morality win here.
>Being Gay won't give him an automatic morality win here.
Yes it will.
in other places it might, here it won't. have a nice day
Like any of them are going to care about Cinemaphile when they're writing stuff except to remind you how bigoted it is and how you should hate them and the first amendment shouldn't apply to provide it protection.
On Tumblr it does.
>heroism is defined not by action but by emotion
I hate this current breed of shitter writers
>heroism is defined by courage
I think that's an emotion. Otherwise the villain that punches the week is as "heroic as the hero that punches the villain stronger than him.
Courage isn't an emotion. It's mastery over one.
Heroism isn’t just punching people in the face.
Heroism is about doing good in the face of adversity. liking dick in your ass is about hedonism, not heroism
Notice how everyone who complains about Jon is OBSESSED with thoughts about anal penetration. Can’t go two sentences without bringing it up.
Taking it in the ass isn't heroic.
more like jon bent
more like young big guy (for you)
Kek.
If you count spreading invulnerable asscheeks heroism.
No but it shows that Taylor has next to no understanding of what Superman is all about and is just spouting bullshit for twitter likes
No.
So none of you are aware Clark had an entire run where he didn't throw a single punch so Taylor wasn't comparing Jon to Clark?
Wtf are you talking about? What you said didn’t make any sense
Did you even read the OP? OP claimed Taylor said Jon was superior to Clark for resolving conflicts without violence, but Clark had an entire run of doing that, hence Taylor never put down Clark.
I think it’s possibly the way you’re phrasing it
there are definitely runs where Supes does not use violence and the op Isn’t stating it Tom Taylor stated it meaning he’s never read them, an idiot, or trying to manipulate people into buying his terribly selling book by calling Jon the better Superman
>Tom Taylor stated it
No, he didn't. He never mentioned Clark in the headline. OP made that connection for bait.
>buying his terribly selling book
It sells fine. Why be so sensationalist?
Because it’s about a boy who was raped and became a homosexual to cope with the trauma and we’re supposed to find it heroic
Non sequitur?
It’s literally Jon’s story anon, he was kidnapped as a child taken to earth three molested then came back after dealing with that for ten years as a homosexual.
It doesn’t sell fine though it’s actually selling about the same if not worse than Bendis’s run
Also while sure the article heading doesn’t mention Supes specifically it’s pretty clear considering that’s who Jon is replacing. Also I don’t know if you’ve ever read other Taylor books where he writes Superman but that’s pretty much all he does
>It doesn’t sell fine though it’s actually selling about the same if not worse than Bendis’s run
So, fine? What is your point? Do you even know what the average comic sells these days?
It sells better than Superman Son of Kal-El that’s for sure
He’s talking about the war world run in action comics atm where Superman hasn’t thrown a single punch or swing his sword
>Superman hasn’t thrown a single punch or swing his sword
Why would you lie?
>there are definitely runs where Supes does not use violence
Frick, that's what Superfriends is all about, unless you count punching meteors. And Superfriends has had more cultural influence than any random ten Superman comic runs put together.
Being out and proud isn’t brave especially in this day and age it just means you’re an exhibitionist
Are straight guys exhibitionists when they kiss in public?
Yes any public sign of affection is an act of exhibition
t. Incels
There’s nothing wrong with showing Any PDA but it definitely is an act of Exhibitionism as that’s literally the definition of it
All PDAs are exibitionist.
Exhibitionism isn't heroic*
It isn’t
BUT IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES
DOES IT ALMOST FEEL LIKE NOTHING CHANGED AT ALL?
Tomasi has never written a good comic.
That’s just a bold face lie as GLC, Black Adam, Batman & Robin, Detective Comics, Superman, and Super Sons have all been great
LOL
Please, read something other than filler capeshit for once.
None of that is Filler though, like at most maybe his Tec run but still 6 volumes is far from filler
There's zero character development in any of those stories, hence they're filler. The characters remain static through and through.
So you’ve never read any of his books then? Cause he literally made people care about a fricking fly in GLC, his Black Adam was a touching character piece, people loved Superdad and his teaching his son how to be a hero, also he made Damian an unlikable c**t of a kid to being a multifaceted character
>filler capeshit
What would you consider non-filler capeshit?
Go home, Bendis/Tom.
They took the shota from us (T-T)
frick off
kys pedo
>heroic
"brave"
Reminder, Superman will literally turn into Hitler if you kill his girlfriend.
I don't recall him turning to Hitler when Manchester Black "killed" Lois in front of Clark's eyes.
Oops my mistake.
Clark will literally turn into Hitler if you kill his wife, AND his son, AND his city.
I don't care that Jon is gay. He should have been a gay 10 year old and left him at that age. Shit would have been super interesting actually showing him develop. None of this feels earned. Bendis just aged him up at random because he didn't like Lois and Clark actually parenting a kid. But it's the parenting part that defines the character that's now supposed to be a hero and the opportunity to show that got cut short.
Unfortunately this is the problem. Everyone keeps trying to warp Superman. They try to turn him into Plutonian at worst or Goku at best.
>I don’t care that Jon is gay
>I’m fine with Jon being bi
You guys are worse than Taylor since you enable this shit to begin with. I bet you clapped like seals on Twitter when the announcement was made. Also:
You guys are both gay and the sooner you accept that fact the happier you’ll be.
>More bi-erasure
Thanks
Just take that last step out of the closet anon. I know you can do it. Cinemaphile is here for you.
I mean, I'm pretty much a 5, but still.
Tom Taylor is a dumb redneck that isn't right about anything
Of course being gay takes courage. He's constantly risking AIDS, Monkeypox, Gonorrhea....
He’s not weak like you.
Superman isn't gonna frick you with his superAIDS anon.
I like it. Having a hero who is soft, bisexual, and non-violent is a perfect representation for young children to look up to in terms of “new masculinity” role models.
>I like it. Having a hero who is soft, bisexual, and non-violent is a perfect representation for young children to look up to in terms of “new masculinity” role models.
Tell me you're a groomer without telling you're a groomer
This takes complicated to hate on. I dont think that it should autofilter you into groomer though, for sure.
Growing up with what i did, I really wish i had more flawed characters or perceivably "weak" characters that you get to see grow. That being said, i think there is absolutely an oversaturation or male protags that cry. Nothing wrong with it in my opinion, i love to let it out and be emotional myself, but it does feel almost, copy paste for how much ive seen it in the last handful of years
I hate it when trolling backfires. Cinemaphile really is cancerously degenerate.
a normie would have an insecure fit but this guy is not even trying to deny he is an unironic child lover
The problem isn't male protags that are overly emotional.
The problem is they make them crybabies but all their other emotions are normal so all anyone sees.
I.e.: Character's gf breaks up with him, he cries throughout the whole issue. Next issue he's all like: "So you killed 500 children and want to pollute the city? I don't want to fight you, but you leave me no choice. Hashtag blacklivesmatter."
If a character makes a habit of crying, then he should equally be quick to anger, happiness, etc.
So wait, if he's soft and non violent what are his comics about? What does he do as Superman? Who are his villains?
Absolutely nothing happens in the book, you know how Bendis is known for his decompression well Taylor is much much worse but each book has at least one nostailgabait or feel good bait moment that can easily be put out of context and posted to twitter
Seems like Taylor is just patting himself on the back.
That’s all he ever does and has such a bloated Ego because of it
Nice hero you have there bisexuals
I know you’re being sarcastic, but this is exactly what I mean. If Jon were there he’d fly down and separate the two girls and try to have them peacefully talk it out and reach some sort of mutual understanding before flying the white girl to the police station to have her arrested for a hate crime.
As someone who is far left, and regularly takes issue with some of the bullshit on Cinemaphile regardless of how much i love it;
This never needed to happen, and no on asked for it. Frick, ill even hone it a bit more specifically. I cant IMAGINE being a hardcore DC or Marvel comic fan. I like animation/comics/manga/anime and ive tried several times to latch on to DC/Marvel properties and it just wont happen. The best arcs and the best stories are timeless, they will always, always be there and from what i have seen or read, they are absolutely worth anyones time. What ruins that shit is that, western media and probably just capitalism in general says
"Now keep making money" andnyou get THIS shit man.
In case im not being clear, diversity and representation I think are good things. But you know what else is fricking good? When SHIT
MAKES
SENSE
i dont give a frick about superman
I dont care if you wanna make characters gay
But who the frick was this for? Ive heard literally and deadass, ZERO positive rapport from any gimmicky cash grabbing propaganda like this. Again, if it made sense, if it told a good story, thats one thing. But marvel/dc fans seem to have something like this to complain about and honestly, its bonkers to imagine. Im glad all my favorite ips only have their image raped out of canon, not within it.
>As someone who is far left, and regularly takes issue with some of the bullshit on Cinemaphile regardless of how much i love it
Just fricking state your opinion dude, no one's gonna read all that shit
I think its to deflect anyone's argument against his opinion with "WELL YOU'RE JUST A RIGHT WING CHUD" which can happen. A lot of these opinions that Jon sucks doesnt come from a homophobic stance he just sucks.
Which isn't news. 95% of gay characters are poorly written because their character just becomes "The gay one" used primarily for PR pushing.
>I think its to deflect anyone's argument against his opinion with "WELL YOU'RE JUST A RIGHT WING CHUD" which can happen. A lot of these opinions that Jon sucks doesnt come from a homophobic stance he just sucks.
You shouldn't have to justify your right to voice your opinion on something.
Sure, but when 99% of the "discourse" on Cinemaphile is hate speech and buzzwords, it helps to provide context.
or at the very least put a TL;DR.
you could have summed up your entire post as
>Gay hates poorly written representation of gays.
>What ruins that shit is that, western media and probably just capitalism in general says "Now keep making money" andnyou get THIS shit man.
If the modern comic industry was primarily motivated by profits most of the bullshit we see today wouldn't be happening. All the garbage writers who can't move book sales for shit would have been canned, all the unpopular characters who can't move merchandise sales would be shelved or given to a writer who can do something fresh with them, and all the editors who spend all day shitposting on Twitter would be kicked out on their ass and replaced by people who take their jobs with some modicum of professionalism. It's due to the anti-Capitalist practice of rewarding failure, weak profits, and stagnation that shit's fricked in the industry right now.
Companies have to spend less money on advertisements because of viral marketing tho.
>It's due to the anti-Capitalist practice of rewarding failure, weak profits, and stagnation that shit's fricked in the industry right now.
The frick is this Motte-and-bailey fallacy? Anon, comics haven't been a profitable venture since the 90s, and even then that was directly from exploiting a bubble. The reason they're kept around at all is because they're the biggest IP farms ever created now not because of some schizo anti-capitalism theory.
It doesn't matter if some hack shits up an established character, what matters is that said hack is making content that will eventually be retrofitted into a profitable medium, like movies, games, etc. Said hack also works for cheap because all he cares about is getting his fanfiction across. It's the most capitalistic shit imaginable, and hiring people who gives a damn would go against it.
In other words, Marvel and DC are motivated by money, but they don't care about the comics beyond IP farmingm
No gays or fujos actually like this, right?
Gays love it
I'm gay and I fricking hate it.
I'm bi. I was fine with Jon being bi, but I knew the second a hack like Taylor got ahold of him, he'd ruin everything with his shitty OCs and crappy writing.
Weird, I thought bisexuals were a myth.
Nope it’s honestly fricking awful and it’s pretty insulting. Taylor’s take on Jon feels like an insulting stereotype on the level of like how Black people were depicted in the 30s
Almost nobody buys it, so no.
No. As a gay I dislike it. The issues I have with it are just the Jon being aged up in general, even if he was straight I'd still dislike that storyline it just ruined the character, but also I dislike how preachy he is now and a lot of it just doesn't seem genuine it seems like shit they lifted from wikipedia or shit that they know will get them a pat on the back from their superiors because it makes them look "diverse" and "equal" but it just comes off as really ignorant, I also hate his new face and how just because he's bi they decide to make him look like a twink. Marvel and DC are notorious for this, pic related, the second someone becomes not straight they gain this weird face that looks like it's copied from a gay porn star or instagram model in I guess a weird attempt to make them "attractive" to gay people, and the thing I hate the most is his boring out of the blue mary sue boyfriend who looks ridiculous. Get rid of that fricker ASAP he's shit.
Overall Jon just doesn''t appeal, speak out, or relate to gay people. But at the end of the day he's not meant to, he's not written for gay people, he's written for awards, he's written for good PR, he's written to get into the news, he's written for corporate to pat the writers on the back, he's written for Twitter to applaud how "woke" and "diverse" they are, so they can slap it on their company mantra for good PR.
Forgot to add that he's just there so they can have someone with the Superman logo be slapped on to their Pride art and carry the flag during Pride Month and shit. That's all he's there for, to be a figurehead of gayness in DC. Because of that, his personality will be nothing more than "Gay" and his lines will be nothing more than what a bunch of old guys in a boardroom THINK gay people or young people wanna hear. He'll be nothing of substance as there's no substance there. He's just their pride flag model.
I hate that soulless art.
What if the villain getting punched in the face is a homophobe? What if it's Hitler?
Jon will never ever be a normal guy again and have comfy moments ever again
Bendis came
He saw
He ruined
Look what they took from us! The most comfy comic book out there.
I did like that special reunion issue though that was the Supersons writer just displaying complete salt towards Bendis for ruining the comic. It was just an entire issue of questioning the logic or lack of in the age up.
Wasn't Jon chasing after dudes who were killing heroes (well if teen titans count)? I'm pretty sure he was doing a lot of punching
Hey, Jon? How about you try the Steven Universe route and play the ukulele next time Doomsday show up.
god dang it. I am not homophobic, but people like Taylor make it hard not to be. stop fetishizing gay people
I'm a bi guy, and he's full of shit.
Taking dick is heroic
When is Tom Taylor going to tackle this inevitable issue in Jon’s life?
I've heard of people getting tapeworm cysts in their brain from consuming human waste that has tapeworm eggs in it
Normally the lifecycle of a tapeworm would involve human waste to pigs and then a human ingests the tapeworm cysts in pig flesh but if a human ingests the eggs from human waste the juvenile tapeworm gets confused and can wind up in the brain
I just thought that was interesting
>the tapeworm will swim up your throat, up your nose, burrow straight through the sphenoid bone and through the dura to create a pocket of synovial membrane in your subdural space if you eat shit
I know america sets a low bar but is anyone genuinely moronic enough to believe that?
Tapeworms really do form cysts in the brain occasionally. I don't think it makes any difference whether you ate the egg in poorly cooked meat or from the inside of someone's butthole, though.
No they are tiny so they enter your bloodstream.
Is tom taylor gay?
No, because homosexuals can't ever be heroes.
>being a gay is more heroic than saving the Earth
this has to be trolling at this point right?
Why are they so ugly.
Gotta make them skinny, ugly, unmasculine, and not really men or women to make sure everyone knows theyre gay. Im sure even homos find this offensive.
I wanna see if jon can defeat darkseid with the power of being a homosexual.
Nah he'll end up in the pits
Darkseid would avoid that confrontation just on the off-chances that he is defeated and Jon decides to claim his ass.
Tom Taylor is a "man" with a creepy, fetishistic obsession with gays who's forced to write comics about characters he hates because he's a failed playwright.
Jon sacrifice his butthole in order to appease another man. Clark never sacrifice his butthole willingly, he was raped.
Man this character has been just dragging along gimmicks and events as if he's some big deal. I mean I'm bi but there are like legitimately better bisexual characters I rather read then follow this "character"
It's what happen why you allow mental illness to become so prominent that it plagues entire industries.
Be honest with yourself and you’ll realize that bisexuality is a myth anon.
I mean, being gay and buttfricking go hand in hand, don’t they?
Whatever dude, the libido wants what it wants and I'm happy giving it.
>so heroic that you admit you're gay bro!
>Ok, cool, go back to paying taxes, bro.
Amerimutt media is all about being gay so he's right
I know that they now hire people that don't know shit about comics but Clark entire thing is being a sweet and down to earth guy. So the idea that Clark isn't empathetic really says a lot about the people in charge of these characters
Show me an example of Clark not punching his way through a problem?
Some problems can be solved with Super-Mathematics.
Oops, forgot pic
It's not hard to find anon
>Same comic he physically fights Solaris and Lex Luthor (both of which are given a lot more pages).
Really?
>Ask for a problem Clark solved without fighting
>I present an example to you
>i-it doesn't count because I say so
I should of know better than to humor someone arguing in bad faith
You never said an issue, you said an example. An example can be a page or a panel.
Damn. He really is a super man.
Not even family provides that kind of support.
His sales numbers say otherwise.
Maybe in 1987.
In 2022, with corporate, media and state support, there is nothing courageous about doing what everyone expects. Same reason there were many, many more gay bars back in 1987, they needed the refuge.
Did Lex rape Jon or something?
No a evil alternate reality version of his Dad did
Earth 3 Jon is homophobic
Jon living in the most privilege lifestyle in a condo not needing to worry about money, education or even protection as two billionaires & the entire justice league back him up as he basically accomplish absolutely nothing in 10+ issues
>Heroic
Clark literally fighting a revolution within a tyrannical mad max planet to free the slave while having no powers & trying to not kill anyone with a sword
>Un-heroic
Jon isn't empathetic, he called Pride "Just a party"
That means he's blissfully ignorant.
>being gay in a homophobic world
Heroic it is.
Clan of the Fiery Cross (radio story) and Superman and the Mole Men are all you need to call out this guy’s crap.
It isn’t about what Superman is, it’s about his ideals.
No
And I don’t care
>Taking it in the ass is braver than fighting Doomsday to your death.
Okay.
Please stop projecting and baiting the low IQ morons of this board into radicalizing, anon.
So we all agree that Jon is damaged and will recover after this,right?
Yes. There's no turning back without another hard reboot.
all women are either bisexual or bipolar
Didn't Joe Casey do a run of Superman being a pacifist
stop reading american comics
Unless your name is Mohammed there's nothing heroic about being bi.
So is being gay totally normal and not unusual and we should treat them the same as everybody else...
Or is being gay an act of heroism that needs to be lauded?
One of those two precludes the other.
When I think of all the issues sex, especially homosex can cause, it's just not worth the hassle.
I don't understand while these twitter types think being "empathetic" is some kind of morality instant win button. It's so patronizing because they're either implying that the common person is so emotionally defunct that they can't put themselves in other people's shoes and on the other hand they're so massively out of touch that they think the tough decisions that people make are all done with zero consideration of the of those who might be effected by it.
If I were to judge Tom Taylor's moral character entirely by his twitter persona I couldn't reach any conclusion about him other than he has no spine and no thought in his head that is his own. I really hope I'm wrong because it's depressing to think that the entertainment medium I enjoy is in the hands of someone so blatantly collectivist and sensationalist, but maybe I'm just naive.
>being part of a protected class is heroic
It's not about what you put in your butt
It's not about the rainbow on your chest
Or the feeling you have.
It's about what you do... it's about action.
No, at this point in our society it really is about what you put in your butt more than anything else.
Taylor is just shitty.
No.