isnt it a bit odd that literally nobody can name the director of King Kong, arguably the most famous movie of all time, without looking it up?
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isnt it a bit odd that literally nobody can name the director of King Kong, arguably the most famous movie of all time, without looking it up?
I can't name the directors of some of my favorite movies
I didn’t realize that The Wizard of Oz and Gone With The Wind were both directed by the same guy in the same year until recently.
>Who is Peter Jackson?
Peter Jackson yo
Peter Jackson
>a big black ape gets brought into civilization, he kidnaps a white woman and chimps out and has to be put down
hmm
Most of us probably know the guy who animated the animals, Ray Harryhausen, but who the hell cares about the shithead that sat behind the camera drinking coffee while artists crafted this masterpiece. Same with Spieljew.
Willis O'Brien was the one who animated Kong. Harryhausen only started with Mighty Joe Young over a decade later as O'Brien's assistant.
know-nothing idiot
Merien C. Cooper
I know it's Merien C. Cooper. What do I win?
Can anybody name the director of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?
Tim Burton
Merian C Cooper and Ernest Shoedsack
incredible life these guys had
theyt met during the polish-soviet war and decided to make movies together
Not every famous movie has a famous director
As much as they try to meme it, nobody cares about kong. It's a shit character. Yes, the original film has historic significance but there is no significant cultural impact to the character or the franchise.
Nah, King Kong is great and the original film is a masterpiece.
>King Kong has no significant cultural impact
Fr? No cap?
How much kong merch is sold every year compared to the King of the Monsters Godzilla? Are there kong specific reddit groups, wiki sites etc?
No, but the current director wants everyone to like Kong more than Godzilla.
>the current director wants everyone to like Kong more than Godzilla.
Kong's cultural impact is so big that Gojira got his name (gorilla + kujira, japanese for whale) from King Kong.
Toho getting the rights to Kong is also what revived the Godzilla franchise in the 60s, instead of it being a duology left in the 1950s.
I'm not denying the HISTORICAL impact. I'm denying the CURRENT YEAR cultural relevance. It's ZERO.
Except here we are talking about this 30s film in 2024. Definitely a forgotten relic with no relevance at all, this board is full of discussions of 90 year old movies.
lol legendary shills mad as frick. This shit is not organic. You never see kong threads unless new legendary slop is coming out.
Buzzword tourist.
hehe I hope you keep posting after your contract ends. If you hang around enough you might actually learn enough to be a better shill.
Can you explain why zoomers get genuinely upset when people talk about old films?
legendary shill was getting btfo in every Gxk thread they tried to start. The new tactic seems to be to make OP about original kong instead of Gxk to up visibility for the legendary slop without directly engaging the clearly problematic aspects of said legendary slop. At least they're trying lol.
>t. professional shill who sees the others who are not as good as me
Have you been diagnosed with persecution complex or some other type of paranoia?
Frick off tourist you found out about these movies last year now you're trying to belong so badly no one cares about your gay little culture war with Hollywood.
>brings up the legendary movies because those are the only king kong movies he can name
They actually went back in time to the 1930s to make the film as a promo for the 2010s Legendary ones.
Fr bruh i deadass never even see king kong on tiktok no cap lmaooo nobody watchin this boomer ahh shit instead of skibidi toilet
there's a Kong movie coming out in like two weeks stupid
>Being in massive Hollywood blockbusters doesn't count because... it just doesn't, ok?
>cultural impact
>merch sales
Jesus christ mate.
What metric would you use to evaluate relevance and popularity in current year?
The fact there's been recent King Kong movies that made hundreds of millions of dollars seems like a good way to see whether or not the IP is still popular.
Yeah that's why they paid for the Toho IPs...
Jackson's King Kong and Kong: Skull Island both made more monet than King of the Monsters, and neither had any Toho IPs beyond a drawing of Godzilla during the credits of the latter.
Godzilla vs Kong also did much better than King of the Monsters.
Godzilla is a more popular character and there's nothing you can do to change it. The only one who can do it is Adam Wingard because he's trying his hardest for people to forget about Godzilla.
Even in the US 2014 Godzilla earned more than KSI if we have to pretend box office alone decide what's more popular all other variables removed.
>Godzilla is a more popular character and there's nothing you can do to change it.
Ok? Do you think I hate Godzilla, or that Goji being popular means that King Kong isn't? The series have done 3 crossovers, their popularity is heavily linked.
>Adam Wingard because he's trying his hardest for people to forget about Godzilla
By directing movies with Godzilla in them? Seems like the opposite of what you'd do if you didn't want people to remember him.
Wingard's movies, because it's not going to change in the new one, only care about Kong leaving nothing for Godzilla to do than to be a prop that he's not in his solo movies.
>only care about Kong leaving nothing for Godzilla to do
Except Godzilla kicked Kong's ass in the movie, and the villain was one of Godzilla's archenemies. The Godzilla and Mechagodzilla plot is half of the movie, including the end battle.
I'm sorry that King Kong existing upsets you, but he's not going away.
He has nothing to do in these movies than to show up. He has no story left that one is only present in his solo stories whether in movies or comics. Everything is for Kong's benefit now and if the leaks are true all characters old and new will be part of Kong's supporting cast. Godzilla is left alone. No story. No other characters. No role to play. A burden a prop. Nothing.
>He has nothing to do in these movies than to show up.
All he does is "show up" to kick ass and solve whatever problem is going on in half of the Toho films.
>if the leaks are true all characters old and new will be part of Kong's supporting cast.
Leaks confirmed Mothra months ago. I wasn't aware she was a King Kong character.
Because Mothra replaced another monster nobody liked there's no way she won't feel strange and out of place unless they really had a lot of time to do something else but change the textures.
And yes one leak does say that at the end all characters go into the Hollow Earth including Mothra who got retconned as an underground guardian of the Iwi people. Godzilla remains on the surface on his own. If this happens I'll pray Godzilla gets retired as a character if they don't care about him.
>Because Mothra replaced another monster nobody liked there's no way she won't feel strange and out of place unless they really had a lot of time to do something else but change the textures.
From the more recent test screenings, it actually shows that Godzilla and Mothra are friendly, and that's what convinced Godzilla to help Kong. It doesn't sound like a simple swap, especially because they would have had to license Mothra from Toho again and they have to greenlight everything done with their IPs.
The entire point of legendary slop is to kick start a US owned kaiju franchise around kong but they knew they couldn't do it without Toho IPs to get butts in seats. I know like half a dozen serious long time Godzilla fans and not a single one has anything positive to say about the legendary movies. I've never felt like re-watching a single one of them myself. They're soulless hollywood crap.
>I know like half a dozen serious long time Godzilla fans and not a single one has anything positive to say about the legendary movies
lmao the larp. Couldn't you come up with something at least statistically realistic?
I can only talk about people I actually know. I could also talk toy sales and merch in general but everyone seemed to have a problem with that metric. You can also look at view counts for legendary shit vs what vids for minus one were getting if you care to. Point is Toho shit is way more popular with actual goji fans than legendary shit.
>You can also look at view counts for legendary shit vs what vids for minus one were getting if you care to.
Or you could look at how many people went to see the Legendary films in theaters, versus how many went to see Minus One. Completely different results, not great to go by.
>Point is Toho shit is way more popular with actual goji fans than legendary shit.
No fricking way.
Nothing brought more fans than Legendary and they actually went back to watch the older stuff.
What demographic hates Monsterverse? Because really old school fans still froth at the mouth when you mention 90s Heisei or Final Wars near them. The only people who maybe have something against MV as a rule are younger hardcore Showa fans (probably not born before 1990s) and tumblr leftist who accuse it of being American military propaganda that is disrespectful because of the way they handle nukes but this is a dying breed. Now I think it's mostly casual fans who make vidoe essays on youtube who pretend they know something and try to impress people claiming that "America doesn't get Godzilla" using examples that apply to both MV and Toho films.
It would probably blow their minds to know Monsterverse is a Japanese idea.
>What demographic hates Monsterverse?
Some of them are the "Shin purists" who hate that they're making "silly" movies where Godzilla interacts with other monsters.
Minus One probably made more of them.
"Did you know Godzilla was originally a personification of nuclear war?"
I hate how banal the essayist made everything just because they saw a new popular thing.
>Minus One probably made more of them.
Probably, because I've been seeing some Showa hate on here too lately.
>essayist
I hate people who get their taste from these shitty frickin "video essay" vids.
>The entire point of legendary slop is to kick start a US owned kaiju franchise around kong
Except the first movie they did was a Godzilla one and they've done more Godzilla movies than King Kong ones.
The entire point is to make a "cinematic universe" around famous "monsters", hence the name Monsterverse. Real clever stuff, I can see how it went over your head.
>relevance and popularity
That is not cultural impact.
This is your brain on zogslop
You mean you don't base your taste in films over how many Funko Pops they sell of the characters?
nta but why did you change the discussion from "films with cultural impact" to "how you base your taste in films"?
Because the other anon clearly just hates King Kong and is trying to shit on it by saying they don't sell enough action figures.
>created the giant monster movie (alongside the lost world)
>no cultural impact
Literally one of the films with the most cultural impact kek. Hundreds of films have been inspired by it.
fricking moron
Peter Jackson film was better.
Only people who say this are people who can't handle watching something in black and white. Cooper's film is better overall.
I've yet to watch the original, I plan to, but I highly doubt it will make me care about King Kong the gorilla as much as the jackson remake did.
Kong himself is portrayed less sympathetically, but the tragedy of humanity messing with a wonder of the world and destroying it feels more emotional in the original.
Why not? Merian C. Cooper. He was a real life adventure seeker and a pilot who killed communists in 1920. Later he also co-created three color Technicolor and Widescreen.
Everyone should be aware of who he was.
What are some other examples of this phenomenon? My picks:
>Casablanca
>Return of the Jedi
>Almost every animated movie by Disney or Pixar
Casablanca isn't a good example as Curtiz is actually a pretty famous Hollywood director.
Chariots of Fire
Gone With the Wind
GWTW is an O'Selznick movie, Victor Fleming is the credited director but a dozen of hollywood big name directors worked on it too.
Chariots was one of those brit commercial directors like Ridley Scott and Alan Parker. Hugh Something. He did Revolution with Al Pacino and it killed his career.
Without checking out. Cooper and Shoe-something.
It was Marry-Ann or something like that.
isnt it a bit odd that literally nobody can name the director of King Kong's early life section onf wikipedia, arguably the most famous movie of all time, without looking it up?
Everyone who cares about history of cinema or about people killing commies knows it.
>early life section
What part is supposed to stick out to us?
Merian C. Cooper being an actual hero who has streets named after him.
It's what's missing that's significant.
He's not israeli if that's what you're implying. In fact, the original King Kong was Hitler's favorite movie.
I personally think better kaju movies have been made but to each their own.
>tfw you live in Jacksonville
Only ever hear about famous Black folk here.
Don't forget to watch Mighty Joe Young if you love King Kong, by the same creators and it's a spiritual sequel.
Son of Kong is pretty good as well.
I now remember that one article about how Godzilla is the true spiritual successor of King Kong and not Mighty Joe Young because it's "domestic and conservative"
Obviously Godzilla is also a successor to King Kong more than Western monster movies from the 50s but that's a different discussion.
Merian Cooper, because I use his name in prompt strings.
Willis O'Brien?
Damn, just looked, he did the effects. To my credit though, the actual answer did pop into my head as I thought about it
Back then directors weren't as publicized as they are now because they didn't have as much creative control, it was all about the stars and the studio. The directors were just glorified managers
Sophia Coppola
Godzilla may be more popular, but he quite literally wouldn't exist without Kong or the Rhedosaurus
Films weren't made by directors as much as studios back then. It was regarded for its special effects
King Kong was actually the name of his creator.
But the creator was really an ape!
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lol
None of that changes the fact that significantly more people have watched the Legendary movies. You can cope all you want.
Yeah and more people went to see Barbie and more people took the clot shot too.
>Yeah and more people went to see Barbie
Yeah, and Barbie is definitely a more popular film than Godzilla vs Kong and Minus One. Good thing popularity doesn't equal quality, like you seemed to think when you brought up Youtube view metrics and pretended it meant something.
The discussion was related to popularity within the subset of established Godzilla/kaiju fans not the general public at large. When you try to assert that the box office of legendary's films matters as far as gauging it's popularity within established kaiju fandom I contend it doesn't because normies are making up all those butts in seats just because it's current thing. I don't care what normies think about anything.
How do you know that all the youtube views are established kaiju fans? Minus One doing well in theaters shows it didn't solely appeal to established fans.
>because normies are making up all those butts in seats just because it's current thing. I don't care what normies think about anything.
"Normies" were the butts in the seats watching Minus One too.
I dont give a shit about directors or actors. If i like a movie i like a movie
>even the leading professional industry outlet thinks Tim Burton directed 'Nightmare Before Christmas'
ouch
I'm not sure what to think about betting oddsa favoring Godzilla Minus One for the effects Oscar because now they're giving me hope. But after BAFTA I expect it to change.