It actually drives me crazy how often in cartoons men get to be all these cool, funky shapes with loads of personality, but women characters in the same source are drawn as what the designer views as frickable. Safe. Curvy and down for whatever the man needs..
I wish people who perpetuated this trope knew how dehumanising this feels
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take this shitty bait back to Twitter and never come back
OP BTFO
fp frickin bp
Fpbp /thread. Amazing anyone even bothered engaging the thread after this.
>Just ignore people generating garbage ideas so they spread around to every idiot and then decent people with half a brain have to go along with it
That's how woke got its start in the first place on Tumblr you buffoons. Just want to sit on your asses and pretend like things will stay the same
MEDS NOW
What do you suggest people do then homosexual? Ridicule doesn't work either because they get their rocks off over drama.
Glad all of your kind is going to get killed in WWIII. Tried of "real" men thinking they are helping humanity be better off.
Babe, you couldn't bring yourself to frick the men that are left behind.
You need 'real men' because they're the only ones that b***hes will suck and frick.
>Post saying OP needs to frick off for his shitty bait
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I HOPE YOU DIE YOU FRICKING SEXIST PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
I'm showing up here late but follow OP's advice.
FPBP
Let me have sexy female characters. Frick yourself.
Zased
Happy new years!
bump
The only comment this thread needed. Christ alive, can Cinemaphile come up with a thread on it's own? Fippy-fricking-Bippy.
God bless you anon
%3D%3D
... How is everyone falling for this obvious bait??
It's time you stop watching cartoons.
They unironically need to start watching cartoons because this shit doens't happen.
Ever think that women are just less interesting than men?
You know-
Out of boredom and curiosity I once took some story and the characters fricking nobody knew about and just genderswapped everyone.
Everything intact, same dialogue, same outfits, same jobs and characterization- everything was left 1:1 except dudes were girls and the male characters were now women.
Know what? People went apeshit for the “now are all women” genderswapped male characters.
People simply hadn’t seen women act like that, do things like that. Suddenly, it was “hot”, and “I want to see more of this”. The female characters were suddenly that- CHARACTERS.
With diverse looks and personality and flaws.
I didn’t change a goddamn thing besides the gender here.
It’s like the first filming of the first “Alien” movie, everything left entirely as is, but just cast a woman as the main character in the script.
It’s madness, it boggles the fricking mind.
Literally all you have to do is take any goddamn story and just gender swap it- and people go apeshit over it.
I can’t fricking fathom it. It’s just so- it’s a self made joke.
>It’s just so- it’s a self made joke.
You type like an insufferable butthole.
What the frick are you trying to pull here?
did anyone care for the males?
One dude had his girlfriend showboating to impress him.
Apart from that- no particular comments there.
>women are so uninteresting you have to write them as males with swapped pronouns for them to be appealing
not the own you think
My dude, the point is in fiction- people don’t even fricking TRY.
If you can have Eowyn cut off fricking Angmar’s head, surely you can write at least a modicum of something decent.
Y’all jackasses can accept laser powers and time travel and dragons but balk like fricking brain dead cowards over the idea of decent writing. It’s unthinkable to you, even.
I mean just look at this comment.
He’s such a brain dead piece of unbridled shit he just willfully ignores the entire point.
He’s not even fricking trying, he’s just reaching around so far up his own ass for a point that he’s passed his own teeth twice now.
God it’s frustrating, how do you get by being such a fricking lose in day to day life? Do you have to practice or does being a fricking waste in the eyes of your parents just come naturally?
Let’s hope you’re at least gay because the only initiate touch in your life is going to be when your family lowers you into the ground after the unbearable weight of being you finally drives your miserable ass to, thereby finally giving the world at least a tiny glimmer of hope.
I really don't get these type of posts, where the OP is tring to be 'cool' but has a chip the size of Manhattan of his shoulder which highly invalidates his attempt
there are female characters that ended up more well written despite the author not even trying, than the attempted "strong and compelling women" that western authors put full effort into writing.
Objective fact, try hard Hollywood bullshit always conflates strength and confidence with being a dick.
>anime
At least have good taste dude, c’mon.
I’m not the OP, but it’s funny as hell. If you’ve ever HAD to post on Reddit, like for work and shit- it’s so fricking insufferable. They’re so fricking hypocritical, every post has to suck someone’s dick unless they’re being sarcastic in the “right way”.
It’s so fricking insincere, like working for Disney. Always have to be positive, always have to be in the moral right and you can’t be right “in the wrong way” even. God what a bunch of jackasses.
>that pic
anon come on, if you're going to post anime post an actual good female character
>male but with gender reversed
You gay, bro?
It's (unironically) okay when the Japanese do it.
>my dude
>y'all
>I mean
Please go to your nearest black-majority area and advertise yourself as a gay prostitute because you deserve to be raped to death by Black folk.
xister….
>Y’all
go back
As a kid, I used to think that was just outrageous silly thing to say, now that I'm older, I faced with how true that is.
so just write everyone as males, have gay pairings and turn half of them to females at the end, is that really THAT EASY????
I guess people just like women characters.
There's also the fact that women get written in such a narrow or restricted fashion that just writing them as normal people can seem "refreshing". Just having a female go out and do things is so unusual for some people, since they've been told or shown that women are typically passive or otherwise not main character material.
It's less surprising to me, but I've seen enough female protagonists and have read enough foreign media to not be too surprised. You'll find more female protagonists in more varied roles in French media, for one.
Thanks for the post/repost, anon.
>You'll find more female protagonists in more varied roles in French media
any good female lead french Cinemaphile stuff? So far I've read Lou! and Les sisters and enjoyed them a lot
>Les sisters
why is it not called "Les soeurs"?
The French draw feet so good.
Nävis and Wake come to mind immediately, Here are the storytimes for Nävis. You can look through the archive for Wake (or Sillage) to find her older appearances.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/140954102/#q140954102
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/140990007/#q140990007
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/141009416/#q141009416
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/141025717/#q141025717
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/141043320/#q141043320
There's also Droners, for cute brown waifu with a focus as main character.
The Grémillet Sisters is a pretty good Italian series of comics with a trio of sisters as the main characters. Pretty good one as well.
Those are the top picks that come to mind. Nävis is just immediately what I thought when I saw the post, since "runs around the forest nearly naked and taking on monsters with a slingshot" is pretty much what you'd expect from a young boy protagonist, not something you'd typically see from writing for women characters.
sexo
ugly sexo
thanks anon
First storytime of Wake, so you know what you're looking for.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/140916409/#q140916409
People don't like women written as 'normal people'.
People like women written as men.
Women written like normal women are boring and no one enjoys reading about them, ever.
What do you mean? The token chick also being the normal one of the group is common.
Take Ripley from Alien, "she" was written as a man and then given a female sex basically at random. Nothing about the character was written to account for her being a woman, nothing about her is feminine. Any references an audience might make the pregnancy metaphors or the like are nonsense, they weren't a consideration at all for the writers.
Almost every woman character that is widely loved is either jerk off bait, or written like a man and then slapped with the 'female' tag at the end.
Cool, but Princess Peach is more iconic.
To fricking who? Ask random people on the street about the Mario princess or the lady from the alien movie and they'll probably know Ripley over peach.
>Nothing about the character was written to account for her being a woman, nothing about her is feminine
You mean she wasn't fricking Dallas?
>Ever think that women are just less interesting than men?
Only every time I am forced to interact with one.
So you're gay
You don't have to think that women are interesting to want to frick them and have them gag on your wiener.
Women were invented so men could have sex with them.
and 2d was created so men could love women
Why don't you have sex with them then?
I do tho.
You offering right now?
Baste.
>no short kings
Terrible standard OP
>I wish people who perpetuated this trope knew how dehumanising this feels
They do because they are women
Cause making women in "cool funky shapes" is fetish shit.
(you)
My artistic works involve wildly different male characters.
Unfortunate for this complaint they are supposed to relate to the female characters of others. I was in the same internet communities as Rebecca Sugar, like this board and John K's blog. Lots of my male characters are Cosmic monsters who live on Rings, they are supposed to relate to Rebecca Sugar's alien Gem characters, but the animation Community intentionally destroyed our relationship as John K students.
The artist behind this complaint would know something about this because I was drawing like MLP Friendship is Magic before the series was released. I had even connected with Lauren Faust.
And yet we have never seen one of your so called works, curiously…
Shut up you gimp, you don't see or hear anything but what the media ecosystem you're connected to tells you. Your purpose is to harass independent artists with your complete lack of ability to form your own opinions
Oh frick, you are maximum autism
I thought you were joking the other day when you said that something or other was based on your work, but no, you are a donut steel dipshit *and* a racist frick
All right Zoomer who needs permission for your every thought and word, I don't give a shit about your opinion. I don't give a shit about the cage of memes through which you interpret the world.
I admire Lauren Faust because she's NOT like you and the women who longhoused you, although she had some fairly similar employees on My Little Pony as is apparent from the artist behind the OP.
>Zoomer
Jesus fricking Christ. Wrong and unoriginal.
You're a fricking head case and an embarrassment. Namegays were always a mistake, but you take it to a new level. Frick off to Reddit.
>Confirms what I said
>Contributes nothing of value, has no thoughts to share, just spams memes to defend industry culture
Could you shut up man?
Or, I continue ruining careers like Amber on Steven Universe (her troony identity too)
>Gating content you don't want addressed here
>Screaming when people see through the programming
You're not a human being, you're a community drone who gave up your humanity. No place in artwork
Showing how to do better than their nonsense as is what I do.
their breasts should be a lot bigger
Cartoons aren't like that (save for Bruce Timm stuff, but even then he draws men the same too)
Are you sure you aren't thinking of anime?
How come gaygays draw the same short-haired beefy guys over and over because it turns us on, and yet I've never seen anyone ever cry about this being "dehumanizing"?
women:
>you cant draw attractive women, we cant reach those standards
men:
>well, frick, either i get good or im sol
You can't dehumanize men not even the gay ones :^)
I want to frick the shit out of that tiger.
watch craig of the creek, recess, gumball, this is bad bait but man cartoons are pretty cool when you think about it 🙂
Why do you want a gross character design?
I’d rather everyone be attractive and cool looking than hideous
The problem is making a variety of female sizes would inevitably mean a large busted woman which would imply Whites have a right to exist (German and Dutch white women get big booba) which would decrease ESG score (or whatever alternative score Larry comes up with after the goy at large discovered it).
What are you even talking about?
I find funny how twittercucks always say the same thing and they are inmediately refuted, not matter what example they give
If they keep lying hard enough, it will become the "truth" to homosexuals that don't know any better.
I take it that OP has never watched Simpsons or Bob's Burgers or...well, any western cartoon then?
Umm , sweetie...
you forgot hiccup,the cloudy with meatballs guy and the guy from klaus
What is the second one on the left?
has it really been that long?
>2012
it has...
>Youtube comments for JLU clips
>What movie is this?
Paperman, a Disney short
Try watching something that isn't titilation-focused. While some artists do definitely have a body type and stick with it, the stories which focus more on character interactions tend to not have every woman the same busty hourglass figure. If /misc/ and twitter are whining about it going "woke" then chances are you have varied body types of both sexes.
You know how videogames now are trying to force players to think man jawed, frumpy women are attractive (cause the women working on these games look like that ). Animation did it first, as these productions are full of big nosed, awkward, mop topped haired, sensitive soft bois.
Forgot to attach pic
>big nosed, awkward, mop topped haired, sensitive soft bois
Antisemite
Brb omw to draw israeli twink
>Animation did it first, as these productions are full of big nosed, awkward, mop topped haired, sensitive soft bois.
And I'm glad they did because all those characters are Literally Me.
>oy vey--
>Err I mean hey, goyim-!
>hey girls!!
>don't you think anxious, gangly losers who have nothing to offer you physically, emotionally, or mentally are just the best?
>they'll make lotsa money and let you frick as many men on the side as you want, I'm sure!
I call it "The Krasinski"
shit name
paper man is handsome though
I call it "The Starkey"
I guess Filipino animators can technically fit into this with their huge nose features
Don't women love big butts and breasts? They all draw them sexy whenever I find good female artists.
>Helluva Boss.png
Are we back in the early 10s
So what you're saying is we need more shortstacks and BBWs?
I would post examples of diverse female designs but I'm sure you'd come up with some bullshit reason why they don't count or how they're even more sexist
I see a new variation of this meme from twitter artists every fricking month
may you share the "okay go ahead and pick which murderous failed idology you want to support" image?
thanks
Also forgot to say FPBP
put a wojak and chad on it, c'mon, it's 2024 already, nobody on ifunny will care if you don't 'jak it
>"communism wasn't even trying to kill people"
>still ended up with higher bodycount
lol
wasn't real communism 😉
where's the unsteped snak and eh... whatever the frick is used as a lib-left symbol
>Both sides are bad
>Just ignore the well documented history and prosperous boom times one sides had while the other has a well documented history of failure and suffering
>Also don't notice that as we sway more and more to the other side things objectively get worse.
>Those happy times are a total lie like times are always shit.
>Things aren't black and white and only objectively smart people who do good know this and people who dare question me and point things out are factually dumb and evil.
They're both shit, especially that Netflix meme.
>memes on the internet
>they're just twitter memes
Except memes on the internet are now just all jaks of various over-produced bland flavors.
The only flavor you know is dick
My guess is that it's difficult to make varied female characters that still have femininity in them. Were not counting the cases like putting eyelashes on literal boxes or monsters.
>More or less ban breasts, especially big breasts, from cartoons.
>Every single cartoon woman has exactly one approved body type
>"How could this have happened.
Its funny because when they give you examples of these so called diverse female designs they all just look ugly. What they really want to say is "Why aren't cartoon women even uglier" but I guess that doesn't sound very catchy.
To be fair ugly male characters are acceptable if done well, but genuinely ugly chick will just hurt the show. Question is if it makes sense to combat it, because double standards are a thing on instinctual and biological level.
*pant* *pant* *pant* WOWIE! Those abs! Those biceps! *GULP* Those l-l-legs! uuuUUUUUOOOHHHHH WUBWUBWUBWUB AAAGHHHHH YAYAYAYA!
>Literally stealing tweets to make a thread here
This site is so fricking over
anon this has been a problem for years, its nothing new
To me, it got a theory that they try but exaggerating women body would be harder to get past the radar. Imagine a female equivalent of the fat guy and the huge broad shouldered chiseled buff guy.
Huge rump and boobas, thighs. Things thatd get caught in the 'No Fun' net.
Eh, you could probably get away with that, ontop of the fact they just plain old give them big ugly man bodies anyways
>Imagine a female equivalent of the fat guy and the huge broad shouldered chiseled buff guy.
Seen enough of those uggos in SU
Women aren't human and deserve zero respect.
>yfw you live rent free in twitter lefists' heads
The closest I've come to finding an ugly woman in fiction that I liked was Melody from HunterXHunter. And honestly, it took a while for me to warm up to her.
After that, she completely won me over. But that's because she's a genuine example of a well written earnest character. It's hard to even think of her appearance as a flaw because she's handled in a way that it's not even worth bringing up.
See, the problem with "women should have more cartoony bodies" is that although a good idea, it doesn't come from a place of honesty.
Should women in cartoons be ALLOWED to be more cartoony? Of course.
But the people saying "make the female characters more cartoony" aren't saying it out of "treat women equal to men in this regard, don't reduce us to objects", they're saying it out of envy more than anything. It's why most of the artists who "fix" designs of these female characters end up making everyone look frumpy/ugly and lack style because they haven't matured past being a teenager and get pissy at the idea of someone more attractive than them existing.
And beyond that, women in cartoons aren't really allowed to BE cartoony for multiple reasons beyond "durr men are horndogs"
>female characters are RARELY allowed to be drawn cartoony because being cartoony implies that they're going to be much more expressive/exaggerated, something that girls and young women tend to see as turn-offs
>although it's not Cinemaphile, the people behind Konosuba had to fight the execs to make the girls more outrageous because the higher ups were concerned it would diminish their "cute" factor if they didn't have the same cutesy face and actions all the time (like you see in most anime these days)
>expanding on this, cartoony/exaggerated designs usually go hand in hand with slapstick violence, something that audiences aren't comfortable with: it's fine to see Donald Duck get beat up or squished but parents get upset when Daisy gets the same treatment
>lastly, it comes down to familiarity: girls tend to be more weirded out by female characters who look goofy, they prefer female characters who have neotenous/feminine features (hence why most women in cartoons have a "doll" face)
A post from this very board that comes to mind:
>when boys see Captain America, they want to be like him
>when girls see Black Widow, they want to rip her throat out
When is the last time a cartoon actually did this?
it's like slavery, they will never let you forget it ans use as justification to ruin your shite forever
Maybe don't be a disingenuous moron
All those guys could be the same age, you had to pick women of different ages for your counter example.
>nooooo it doesn't count
Kiss my ass
>it counts because...it just does ok??
it's disingenuous to ignore that women of different age have different bodyshapes, and as a secondary detail three of the women could be the same age but living entirely different lives. Fat does make you look older, you know.
>could be
They're drawings. They don't have ages moron.
Brainlet take
Because men and women deserve to look their best
It bugs me a lot too. It’s one of the reasons I liked Steven universe so much. So many different types of women.
Thats why I FRICKING LOVE CLARENCE designs
only fatties and trannies care about that
Didn't know scarecrow was such a popular character design
You say that but when the last time you seen a true titcow in a cartoon? Who's fighting for this oppressed group?
Anime gave it a bad name when they started to draw them with rubber physics and a lack of gravity to them.
Right. If it wasn't for anime, the SJWs and feminists wouldn't complain.
Cartoon fans are more accepting of ugly women than videogame fans.
I mean ugly cartoon women, not
real life ugly women. Or at least more willing to fap to them
You sure? I think it's about the same from what I observe.
Does Cinemaphile has milf threads as often as Cinemaphile does?
Women should get raped a lot more often.
That's not necessary. Or at least the rape should be complemented with other things
>Or at least the rape should be complemented with other things
Yes, beatings.
Condorito does this but i doubt the creator of that image has ever heard about that comic.
Women should get their jaws smashed anytime they express an opinion.
Op name a show that does this?
The Jetsons, off the top of my head.
Literally on the front cover you idiot.
To add insult to injury
A lot of older cartoons.
The original Clone High.
Not really.
Inside Out (until recently)
Stuff like OP almost perfectly fits John K.’s work
I agree that there needs to be a variety of designs for every character for every situation, but you know for a fact when they want "diverse" female body types it will be fat mystery meat.
Shitty bait but yes female characters more closely fall into was is attractive by human standards because they are more often valued for their appearance and also women like being hot more than men. There are multiple factors here.
one reason why we dont get many different types of women is from the majority of women themselves who will b***h endlessly about whatever you do when it comes to art. Make them too hot? NOOOO UNREALISTIC BODY STANDARD even though its been shown that women would love to look like that. Realistic body standard? NOOO YOUR NOT DOING IT RIGHT, on and on you cant fricking win. Just draw whatever the frick you want/make whatever character you want and if people b***h just tell them to make there own OC with black jack and hookers. If they try to correct your art you have full permission to correct there icon and call them a homosexual.
>Make them too hot? NOOOO UNREALISTIC BODY STANDARD even though its been shown that women would love to look like that. Realistic body standard? NOOO YOUR NOT DOING IT RIGHT, on and on you cant fricking win.
You can't even complain about made up shit right. The main problem with women and female characters is that you're a whiney moron.
HUR DUR YOUR WRONG J-JUST BECAUSE
shes not going to frick you bro.
my bet is on peach. Most people dont pay much attention to movies nowadays and its been eons since Ripley was even relevant in any Alien movie and I like Ripley.
what is this PoE lookin' movie and can you give me a rundown?
Is the story of el cid campeador but sanitized where the difference is that cid is not the spanish chad who kills every moor that breaths
and its something a little special because almost all the male character designs have this fricking gorilla arms what can be uncomffortable while watching
dios mio. I honestly thought it was just puffy shirts and one buff dude just based off the box art
But at least they improved and made the most kino christmas movie
I have the reverse example
Every male in this fricking movie is build like absolute tank
And when i say everyone is everyone holy shit even the slaves are buff
>Also
Ximena dancing is Kino
>It actually drives me crazy how often
Astroturf thread