Last time I saw someone post a supposed plot summary it had like 3 different plots that had nothing to do with each other so I imagine the test audiences (damn I wish I could be one of them) probably have no idea what's going on. Unironically I think what most people want out of this movie is "Where is Steve" and more bro time with Bucky.
Marvel has a fricking hard time finding a test audience that is actually representative. Ant Man Quantumania had good test audience scores...
Wasn't this movie supposed to have some Israeli superhero? I'm surprised they haven't shelved it completely, but knowing the israelite, they'll push it either way
Yeah Sabra has been cut.
it is kind of funny that Falcon and the Winter Soldier originally had a virus plotline and was schedule to come out before Wandavision as the first Disney+ show but had it massively cut because of the pandemic.
Maybe not every movie and TV show needs to have a multiverse-ending threat. They ever think about that.
This film actually has The Leader back. It is not multiverse ending.
To be fair, test audiences usually see a cut with a bunch of unfinished SFX, and an awful lot of the criticisms of Quantumania come down to effects, like the sheer blandness of the quantum realm or fricking Modok.
>Ant Man Quantumania had good test audience scores
I can see why. A reduced group may have a different opinion after seeing a giant cgi battle than a the general public
Falcon has always come across as the lamest motherfricker on the planet in the comics and in the MCU they didn't even do a good job of showing that Cap and Sam were friends and showing why he should take the mantle at all over Bucky.
Goofy Power Rangers shit is at least actually kind of fun in cheesy kind of way. I would take Dekaranger or a good Kamen Rider series over the MCU any day.
>why he should take the mantle at all over Bucky
Yes they did, remember? In Falcon and the Winter Soldier he explained to Bucky that because Sam was black, he deserved the shield... because he had suffered more... than the man who had literally been repeatedly brainwashed/memory wiped and tortured for decades.
>Goofy Power Rangers shit is at least actually kind of fun in cheesy kind of way. I would take Dekaranger or a good Kamen Rider series over the MCU any day.
Why didn't Disney take advantage of the MMPR series when they had the rights?
They hated the franchise. When they obtained it they immediately prepare to cancel it (which is why Wild Force is seen as the finale) but the crew and toy company convince them they could still make the show profitable so Disney gave them another chance, but a couple of years later they had enough and proceeds to sell it.
The only thing Harrison Ford has ever hated in his career is Star Wars.
Actually this is true about every actor who has ever appeared in Star Wars. You have to be an absolute moron to ever appearing in that shit franchise for other reason that isn't the money.
Wasn't this movie supposed to have some Israeli superhero? I'm surprised they haven't shelved it completely, but knowing the israelite, they'll push it either way
Captain Obvious here, the reshoots will at the very least open a door to Steve's return. Whether its hinting at it to set up the next slop entry, or outright having him show up, after this string of flops, they're not taking their chances with Anthony Mackie. Cap is back.
I'd prefer if they were related to The Green Door and One-Below-All, to act as an easy gateway for replacing Ruffalo with a more competent hulk (no more of this "takes everything lightly and would only get mad at rape accusations" crap)
Disney has shown itself time and time again to gladly take losing odds if the writing hits the correct morals and the cast is the correct color. They don't care about profit or maintaining IP value.
race swap legacy character aside, the best possible Captain America movies have already been made. A WW2 action adventure and a gritty take on the modern American security state and how far we've compromised on founding notions of freedom and non-intervention.
The best possible FalconCap movie could never be as good as Winter Soldier because a WW2 boy scout traveling forward in time is the perfect character to confront the reality of modern America. You could take a tongue in cheek jingoistic angle but Marvel doesn't have the humor and they'd have Peacemaker to compete with.
There's no movie here unless it's typical marvel slop. All the good angles on the character are already taken.
>a gritty take on the modern American security state and how far we've compromised on founding notions of freedom and non-intervention.
Fricking hell, you people give that movie way more credit than it deserves. a GRITTY take on the American security state? Come on man. "W-Wot if there are bad guys in the government?" Bravo, truly the Parallax View of our generation, Marvel is big boy films after all.
I mean, in comparison to most of Marvel Winter Soldier is like, the only Marvel film that actually tries to say anything substantive about anything at all. I know that isn't much but like its maybe one of a handful of Marvel films I'd actually recommend.
My dude, they reacted not with "there are a few bad apples" but "destroy the entire agency and release all the files." That's a pretty fricking radical move.
Secret Empire could make for a great film. Steve Rogers returns, and sets up a new security system set-up around him in order to stop a bad guy. In the end he wins, but Falcon or another character realizes that he is set up the villain in the first place. The next film has them trying to convince others to take Captain America down.
I'm just glad that marvelgays will maybe have a chance to learn empathy for the dcgays
I'm also curious if Gunn will manage to pull 2-3 decently performing (critically and financially) in a row out of his ass because then the discourse will REALLY get going
What concerns me so far about the upcoming DC films is that Superman: Legacy seems like it might fall into the same damn mistakes that the DCEU already had, with the shoving in of Justice League cameos/side characters they've already announced, and then the fact that Gunn (for some reason) likes Tom King enough to base a movie off of King's Supergirl book.
But otherwise I've got faith that Gunn's DC will, at the very least, be more competent than the current MCU output.
Are there still companygays arguing over movies? I thought everybody was on the same page regarding the faster the entire blockbuster movie industry collapses under it's own weight, the better
Marvelslop is irredeemable garbage but the whole concept of changing a work based on reception by test audiences has always disgusted me. I want filmmakers to commit to a creative vision, audiences be damned. It's immensely funny though that a movie franchise that so desperately seeks to appeal to the lowest common denominator has somehow become incapable of doing just that in spite of relying on test screenings and whatnot.
Do they still have no CG artists?
I’m more concerned that the test audience keeps wanting something as generically marvel as possible.
I don’t think that’s why it’s getting negative test screenings right now, anon.
Last time I saw someone post a supposed plot summary it had like 3 different plots that had nothing to do with each other so I imagine the test audiences (damn I wish I could be one of them) probably have no idea what's going on. Unironically I think what most people want out of this movie is "Where is Steve" and more bro time with Bucky.
Marvel has a fricking hard time finding a test audience that is actually representative. Ant Man Quantumania had good test audience scores...
Yeah Sabra has been cut.
it is kind of funny that Falcon and the Winter Soldier originally had a virus plotline and was schedule to come out before Wandavision as the first Disney+ show but had it massively cut because of the pandemic.
This film actually has The Leader back. It is not multiverse ending.
To be fair, test audiences usually see a cut with a bunch of unfinished SFX, and an awful lot of the criticisms of Quantumania come down to effects, like the sheer blandness of the quantum realm or fricking Modok.
>Ant Man Quantumania had good test audience scores
I can see why. A reduced group may have a different opinion after seeing a giant cgi battle than a the general public
Literally Brave New World
just throw the whole mcu away
its stupid goofy power rangers shit now, nothing of value
I say this as a former avid mcuslop consoomer
Falcon has always come across as the lamest motherfricker on the planet in the comics and in the MCU they didn't even do a good job of showing that Cap and Sam were friends and showing why he should take the mantle at all over Bucky.
Goofy Power Rangers shit is at least actually kind of fun in cheesy kind of way. I would take Dekaranger or a good Kamen Rider series over the MCU any day.
>why he should take the mantle at all over Bucky
Yes they did, remember? In Falcon and the Winter Soldier he explained to Bucky that because Sam was black, he deserved the shield... because he had suffered more... than the man who had literally been repeatedly brainwashed/memory wiped and tortured for decades.
>Yes they did, remember? In Falcon and the Winter Soldier
lol no one saw that shit
Power rangers/sentai/Kamen rider has soul and passion though
Mcu is just lazy shit meant to check boxes for investors
I apologize to Scorsese, now thar km free from the Disney matrix I know he's right
>Power rangers/sentai/Kamen rider has soul and passion though
They may lack the resources and at a glance they look goody, but they are good.
>Goofy Power Rangers shit is at least actually kind of fun in cheesy kind of way. I would take Dekaranger or a good Kamen Rider series over the MCU any day.
Why didn't Disney take advantage of the MMPR series when they had the rights?
They hated the franchise. When they obtained it they immediately prepare to cancel it (which is why Wild Force is seen as the finale) but the crew and toy company convince them they could still make the show profitable so Disney gave them another chance, but a couple of years later they had enough and proceeds to sell it.
Bro Power Rangers is the fricking bomb. It's been years and they're still winning.
Maybe not every movie and TV show needs to have a multiverse-ending threat. They ever think about that.
But this isn't one of those multiverse stories.
If Harrison Ford hates acting so much then why does he do it?
He doesn't hate acting, he hates acting in Star Wars.
The only thing Harrison Ford has ever hated in his career is Star Wars.
Actually this is true about every actor who has ever appeared in Star Wars. You have to be an absolute moron to ever appearing in that shit franchise for other reason that isn't the money.
Feige bringing a dump truck of money to get Chris Evans back
>they're making a new captain america movie? but they cut loose captain america
>oh look black falcon... wait, lol
lmao even
It's so unbelievably over
Wasn't this movie supposed to have some Israeli superhero? I'm surprised they haven't shelved it completely, but knowing the israelite, they'll push it either way
There were plans for a literal "Captain Israel" which I'm sure is going to go over fricking great in light of recent events.
Falcon's such a fricking snoozefest.... I think we should consider bad writing for black characters a hate crime at this point.
Marvel is a content factory. Just slops.
Oh no
Captain Obvious here, the reshoots will at the very least open a door to Steve's return. Whether its hinting at it to set up the next slop entry, or outright having him show up, after this string of flops, they're not taking their chances with Anthony Mackie. Cap is back.
I'd prefer if they were related to The Green Door and One-Below-All, to act as an easy gateway for replacing Ruffalo with a more competent hulk (no more of this "takes everything lightly and would only get mad at rape accusations" crap)
Why do Disney marketers refuse to acknowledge that Bruce's character has gotten this bad?
They’re going to add Hulk and make it a team up movie.
Disney has shown itself time and time again to gladly take losing odds if the writing hits the correct morals and the cast is the correct color. They don't care about profit or maintaining IP value.
race swap legacy character aside, the best possible Captain America movies have already been made. A WW2 action adventure and a gritty take on the modern American security state and how far we've compromised on founding notions of freedom and non-intervention.
The best possible FalconCap movie could never be as good as Winter Soldier because a WW2 boy scout traveling forward in time is the perfect character to confront the reality of modern America. You could take a tongue in cheek jingoistic angle but Marvel doesn't have the humor and they'd have Peacemaker to compete with.
There's no movie here unless it's typical marvel slop. All the good angles on the character are already taken.
>a gritty take on the modern American security state and how far we've compromised on founding notions of freedom and non-intervention.
Fricking hell, you people give that movie way more credit than it deserves. a GRITTY take on the American security state? Come on man. "W-Wot if there are bad guys in the government?" Bravo, truly the Parallax View of our generation, Marvel is big boy films after all.
Calm down, Marty.
Now go home and get your frickin' Funko Box!
I mean, in comparison to most of Marvel Winter Soldier is like, the only Marvel film that actually tries to say anything substantive about anything at all. I know that isn't much but like its maybe one of a handful of Marvel films I'd actually recommend.
My dude, they reacted not with "there are a few bad apples" but "destroy the entire agency and release all the files." That's a pretty fricking radical move.
Wow!
Secret Empire could make for a great film. Steve Rogers returns, and sets up a new security system set-up around him in order to stop a bad guy. In the end he wins, but Falcon or another character realizes that he is set up the villain in the first place. The next film has them trying to convince others to take Captain America down.
that's just the security state angle again except Cap takes the role Fury had in the original Winter Soldier.
Word is test-audiences found the plot too confusing and Marvel also got cold feet about a subplot about countries going to war with each other.
>THIS time we'll fix it with reshoots and post-production says increasingly nervous Hollywood exec for the n% time
I'm just glad that marvelgays will maybe have a chance to learn empathy for the dcgays
I'm also curious if Gunn will manage to pull 2-3 decently performing (critically and financially) in a row out of his ass because then the discourse will REALLY get going
What concerns me so far about the upcoming DC films is that Superman: Legacy seems like it might fall into the same damn mistakes that the DCEU already had, with the shoving in of Justice League cameos/side characters they've already announced, and then the fact that Gunn (for some reason) likes Tom King enough to base a movie off of King's Supergirl book.
But otherwise I've got faith that Gunn's DC will, at the very least, be more competent than the current MCU output.
Are there still companygays arguing over movies? I thought everybody was on the same page regarding the faster the entire blockbuster movie industry collapses under it's own weight, the better
Marvelslop is irredeemable garbage but the whole concept of changing a work based on reception by test audiences has always disgusted me. I want filmmakers to commit to a creative vision, audiences be damned. It's immensely funny though that a movie franchise that so desperately seeks to appeal to the lowest common denominator has somehow become incapable of doing just that in spite of relying on test screenings and whatnot.
flop after flop