It seems that they are trying to move on from the universal constant of "Peter Parker is Spider-man". Now Peter is just another dude who was lucky enough the drew the Spider slot in this one universe
As a matter of fact, the Peter Parker that you knew all along is vastly inferior to all these new fangled Spider men across the multiverse. On one hand this gives the characters room to grow. On the other hand, it opens the door for donut steel homosexualry. How do you feel about it?
Peter brings in more money than all of them combined
I mean yeah, sure, Peter has existed since, i dont know, the 1960s so it is not up for debate. However, at the rate this is going, i can see his retirement eventually. Soon there will be a generation that will only know Peter as "that obscure guy"
I don't think so. People watch old media all the time. Who cares about Miles?
Peter just had a movie that almost cracked $2 billion only two years ago.
>Soon there will be a generation that will only know Peter as "that obscure guy"
I can definitely see this happening they are going to retire Peter for good soon and replace him with Spider men across the multiverse. And that is just the tip of the iceberg next they will bring out Spider-Boy, and more versions of Gwen heck I wouldn't be suprised if the OG Gwen was brought back with spider-powers and became another version of Spider-Gwen.
>they are going to retire Peter for good soon and replace him with Spider men across the multiverse
Do you just make shit up to get yourself upset?
What part did I make up anon? that they are dozen of versions of spider-men men out there and that they will most likey replace Peter with Miles if you think this not Marvel's plan then you truly are a moron.
The part where you think Marvel would ever retire Peter Parker. They won't even let him have a family because they think it'll ruin his general perception. Comics are so adverse to change that something like that would never happen. There are three current Spider-Man ongoings and Peter stars in two. Peter's books were in the top 50 four times during May and Miles only had one issue coming in at 28. Meanwhile Peter sells in the top 3. Even during the cuck arc Peter outsells Miles. Compare their movies even. The multiverse movie with three Peters is one of the top ten grossing movies of all time. Spider-Verse 2 hasn't even hit one billion.
They can only "replace" Peter when they decide to finally give him a happy ending.
That's never gonna happen. Comics aren't allowed to end.
You type like a troony on twitter. Please try to speak like a normal person who isn't an butthole.
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>Soon there will be a generation that will only know Peter as "that obscure guy
No Way homosexual which had only Peter Parker is like the seventh highest grossing movie of all time. Every Amazing Spider-Man film made more people visiting the cinemas than any Miles movie despite them coming out during a time were people were tired of Spider-Man movies
>Inb4 it's a kids movie
Every Spider-Man film is a kids' movie.
>I-It's animated!
So are the Lion King, Toy Story and Mario. Never stopped them from making more money than most capeshit
no they wont you stupid c**t!
Oh yes they will Marvel wants Peter gone and replaced by Miles and they WILL get their way since they crap on his life so much. MJ romance with Paul, OMD Peter being a jerk and butthole this ia all leading to his retirement.
>Soon there will be a generation that will only know Peter as "that obscure guy"
Can't help but wonder if that's not better than people knowing him as shit like "former CEO of Parker Industries" and "cuckold of Paul"
There are a thousand good ways to handle Peter huhuhuhuh but Marvel can't seem to locate any of them somehow
I think this only exists to push black spiderman
Yep, it's very obvious that the push for "everyone can be Spider-Man" started only when it was time to justify the black guy, before that there was never any doubt or discussion on who the real one is despite plenty of non-Peter spiders existing
It's almost like there wasn't pushback from you guys until now for some reason.
it's almost like no one ever entertained the stupid idea of THE Spider-Man being anyone but Peter Parker until they had ulterior motives to do so
What motives were behind spider-man 2099?
There's literally not one second of Spider-Man 2099 material that tries to push him as THE Spider-Man in over 30 years, Peter David himself wrote the game in which Peter Parker schools Miguel on what being Spider-Man is like.
It's almost like creators didn't care to force a push until it was about a guy whose only merit was the color of his skin
>despite plenty of non-Peter spiders existing
Shoehorned into films, games, etc.? Not really, no.
I was for making Miles a brown recluse spider-themed hero.
Imagine if the spiderverse were just different types of spiders
Off-shoots should've been like this in the first place.
Peter is the OG, with all the basic spider powers at maximum peak.
The rest could have weaker abilities, but compensates for it with a special ability that mirrors different spider species.
For example, Miles has weaker punches and shitty stamina, but makes up for it because he can turn invisible/get camoflauged, forcing him to be a tactical, stealth based Spider-Man.
Box office numbers prove it's working. It seems Peter can't escape white hero fatigue
What the frick are you talking about
The sideplot in the original movie was Miles going to a new school, where he didn't fit in and felt like he was cut off from his roots, which was an obvious parallel to the main story of becoming Spiderman and feeling like he had to be a copy of Peter Parker. Which is to say thay focusing on these stories isn't new to the seqel.
A white man has had 60 years to be Spider-Man. It's everyone else's turn now, we're bored.
The more they try to unravel Spider-Man the stupider it gets.
>said no one
Miles is also worthless by that logic because he's just some black latinx that got spidy powers.
i agree the same with this about black panther and blade, swap them with asians please
Frick off, you entitled moron.
>It seems that they are trying to move on from the universal constant of "Peter Parker is Spider-man"
I hate to break it to you but we've had What Ifs where other people got the spider bite for decades before Miles got bit.
Buh buh but they weren't scary chocolate people...
The curry one predates Miles by like 6-7 years.
Buh but the scary chocolate people! They're... EXISTING!
you a moronic homosexual
>All close relative / friends of Peter
This isn't the same as Shanaynaymohawk, the Sexual Spiderman who is super smart, super smexy and super strong and she also has organic web which is made of laser that can cover an entire city while giving everyone a handjob
My spidersona isn't really a spiderman at all. They got bit by the spider but since they're an alien with a super strong immune system they just didn't succumb to it. They have lots of powers otherwise though so they could wear down the spot singlehandedly and then pounce on him to engage in penetrative sex with alien penis in hole. Peter Parker became a therapist in their universe.
The Morlun fight establishes that Peter Parker is consistently the original AND the strongest Spiderman out of all of them. They would have to pretend that doesnt exist
Morlun is a moronic character, i hope he doesn't show up, EVER
Are you going to pretend a one-off What If story is equivalent to the current marketing push? Okay.
If you have to make them Spider-man, it means you recognize you aren't good at making interesting characters without tacking them on to an already famous property. Artists and writers before you could make audiences fall in love with a talking candlestick or a literal sponge and you can't make anything remotely memorable without 60 years of someone else doing all the work for you.
You just summed up the entire comic industry, anon
If you read that issue, all three stories end with the alternate person failing as a superhero and Peter Parker reverse engineering their powers from the radioactive spider to become Spider-Man.
So what you're saying is these replacement theory gays are just complaining about nothing and have nothing to be afraid of?
There was nothing to be afraid of until creators and editorial and writers and directors started coming out and saying "stop thinking Peter will be replaced, he will never be replaced, stop being afraid of him being replaced", that means he's being replaced 100%, my guess is ASM #1000
Why is Miles in 616?
Why not?
Because he doesn't have his own superhero identity in 616 and serves no purpose there. So why is he there?
That stuff was true in 1610 as well though.
The one in which he replaced Peter?
No it wasn't. Peter was dead in that universe so he was fine. He serves absolutely no purpose in 616 other than to be Peter's replacement. Why do Miles fans pretend he's not a writer's pet?
are all the other 616 spiders replacements as well? i wonder why flash fans arent this autistic?
The other ones are either from 616 with different superhero identities or have nothing to do with Peter. Miles comes from a universe where he already replaced Peter and doesn't come up with his own identity after being in 616 for years. He's also more present in adaptations than other Spider people. Probably because he's meant to replace Peter. Also I hate any Spider heroes other than Peter anyway kek
Barry was dead for years while Wally was the Flash. It was the late 2000s that decided to bring him back and have the two operate at the same time. Even so, the New 52 limited it to just Barry until years later, when Wally was brought back.
Because no one cares for Flash. Did that box-office turd not prove as much
So when people complain about him replacing Peter, your answer will be "why not"
I always figured it was so they could have him rub shoulders with their top heroes and villains, and to make him look more "valid" by having him exist in the main universe rather than an alternate one.
Money.
Spider verse works the best when the only constant is being bitten by a spider/being a spider-totem.
The whole "you HAVE to experience these things a certain way" in atsv limits what counts as a spider-man and I didn't really like it.
Just having spider powers leaves things more open instead of forcing everything into a box.
>The whole "you HAVE to experience these things a certain way"
Isn't the entire point that thinking this is wrong and what antagonists do?
Or is this just another example of Miles making anons moronic?
The fact that there's a standing army of Spider-Men that completely buy into it is the moronic part honestly.
That stupid plot was 100% built upon lies and relied on making anyone who isn't miles an incompetent lemming for it to work. Just so the cuck creators could address criticism that was never made in the first place. And since most of you spider-verse fans are so mind numbingly stupid and can't recognize bad writing, you'll go along it and treat the story like it was written with earnest intentions.
>threads like these that also want to limit what spider-man can be
Spider-Man is not your creative cum rag. Sorry!
>The whole "you HAVE to experience these things a certain way" in atsv limits what counts as a spider-man
It was made as a direct response to whiny b***h threads like these that also want to limit what spider-man can be. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Who the frick ITT is saying "a character can only be Spider-Man if they have a police captain die in their arms like Peter in ASM #90", who the frick EVER said anything like that, Miguel didn't go through any of that shit 30 years ago and no one was complaining about it
>whiny b***h threads here
Do you know something we don't? So they came here, looking at these threads?
If anything people were complaining Miles was TOO SIMILAR to Peter, they were saying he needs his own niche, his own name, his unique events, his own romance interests, his own costume, his own villains, literally everything he has is a hand-me-down from Peter in a way no other alternate Spider ever had, they were all usually unique takes, but the movie pretends it's the opposite
>Now Peter is just another dude who was lucky enough the drew the Spider slot in this one universe
>Lucky
Ah yes, that classic Parker luck.
>Miles got cloned
>Made a deal with Mephistos
>Got an Iron Spider suit
I wonder what else Mile copied Peter, event wise i mean? Pretty sure there is more but this is just off the top of my head
He did Spider-Man No More and Sinister Six too
Across the Spiderverse is a bit like No way home but every other Spider-Man is Doctor Strange in this case
It's like No Way Home and Spider-Man was evil and decided to kill everyone instead of saving everyone? So it's not really like No Way Home at all then
Well no. Miles is the protagonist and he is the only who acts like Spider-Man in that film
But he's not Spider-Man, he's a scary chocolate person.
Reminds me of the X-Men and Inhumans situation. Very inorganic.
I don't like it the same way I don't like when other characters get "gammified" and become the Hulk.
If they want to have a She-Hulk spin off, or a Kaine/Ben Reilly spin-off, whatever, at least they're clones, but turning the character into a name doesn't sit right with me.
Can't help but feel there's some agenda going on with all of the replacements they've done over the past decade or so.
In part lazy current writers and editors who are incapable of creating anything compelling without copying established characters in order to try and generate interest, and also corporate top down desire to turn everything into a brand capable of expansion and infinite growth. There's always more pockets to find for hopefully boosting quarterly earnings reports.
I've completely checked out of Spidey and Marvel in general during the Alonso-era.
They can do whatever they want, I still have the old comics that meant something to me and cannot give less of a frick about the slop they're putting out now.
Most of those spider people are a version of Peter. That's why so many of them have names like Peter Parker. It's just the story doesn't focus too much on them because that would be boring.
thats a fricking moronic name for an
character how can anyone take a name like that seriously at all?
I don’t hate Miles as a character or particular like ~~*Peter*~~ as a character
I just fricking hate Black folk as a matter of principle. They should be banned from participating in society.
I neither hate Miles nor other Spider-Man actually that much. They should get their own universe instead of shitting up Peter's
He should at least move to a different city like SpOck eventually did.
was the move comfy?
>mommy make the scary chocolate people go away
you a moronic homosexual
Why did characters like Spider-Man, most of the X-Men, most of the Avengers get created in a relatively small span of time, and then Marvel just sort of stopped and the only thing they could do was "same character...but BROWN!"? Is it purely down to changes in staff talent, or was there some kind of policy shift? Could Marvel ever be creative again?
>Spider-Man is the most lucrative hero of all time
>Hey what if we could pander to [insert color/sex here] people by making another Spider-Man but [insert color/sex here]
As always, capitalism is a snake that eats itself
That idea always seems divorced from data to me. It isn't like black kids just refuse to engage with any character that isn't black. Miles' comics don't sell, his game underperformed, his movie needs to be called "Spider-Man" rather than "Miles Morales" to attract an audience. It seems like they invent a problem (minorities won't engage with white characters), invent an uncreative solution (spider-man...but black, wow!), and then try to smash it over for years.
Again, very reminiscent of the decision to shelf X-Men and push Inhumans at every angle, and with similar success. Very inorganic, unsuccessful directions with no data support that they can't ever let go of.
Ironically, black people tend to relate more to Peter then Miles.
When a corporation has the choice to make cash between taking a risk with a new black superhero or Spider-Man but black, they will choose the latter. Black boys want heroes that look like them. It's not the first thing they're gonna look at but it's a thing they're gonna look at. That's why Across the Memeverse is making quite some money in Burgerland.
>Black boys want heroes that look like them
That is something I hear a lot, but never see any proof for. Marvel's diversity cast has entirely failed, with Miles himself doing numbers that would get his comic cancelled if he weren't Miles Morales, the black Spider-Man that proves comics are totally anti-racist and hip. His video game was a massive sales drop-off. After several years of smashing him over as hard as they can, they still can't market him, he can only be transferred to the audience as a barnacle attached to the Spider-Man brand. His primary consumer doesn't appear to be black people at all, but the sort of white people who want to go to the theater and turn around and watch the black people.
>That is something I hear a lot, but never see any proof for
Literally Black Panther and you say the Miles game bombed or didn't make money but that game has sold over 6.5 Million copies in 8 months despite being Standalone DLC at this point probably way more than that. Spiderverse is now on to make $700m in box-office despite the first movie making only half as much and Spider-Man 2 will most likely be the thing that will sell 10m copies in a week or so. To give you another example Coco was a huge success in Mexico so yeah people want to look at themselves on the big screen.
No Way Home was the number one selling movie of all time in Mexico until Mario beat it out. Also, not all Mexicans are brown you racist frick.
Coco is about mexicans, not "brown people" you stupid frick. Other movies also making money doesn't mean movies with representation don't have to. What a moronic comparison
White Mexicans exist. You made the claim that Mexicans loved Coco so much because the characters looked like them. Newsflash, Mexicans aren’t all brown. Latino isn’t and has never been a race. It’s always just been ethnic background.
But Miles media always does much worse than Peter media with every demographic, and if going after large demographics was their goal then a white latino Spider-Man should've been what they push because white latinos are a much bigger movie audience in the US and worldwide than black latinos or black people
>Literally Black Panther
The primary audience for BP is white redditors, same as Miles. Its an opportunity to be really performative about race. Show me the huge uptick in black attendance for Black Panther. Show me the refusal of black audiences to see Iron Man. It doesn't support he notion of black people only engaging with black characters at all.
>The primary audience for BP is white redditors
Nice cope
Not a cope, a statistical fact. White people bought the most tickets. Black people bought tickets in similar numbers as they did for Endgame. The idea of Black Panther being this movie that every black person wanted to see because it had a lot of black people in it, while they were "excluded" from all those white characters, is a myth from a marketing department. The entire idea of representation as a market driver seems to have very little real support.
>Sattistical fact that white redditors bought tickets
>No statistics given
What's up with you chuds pretending your schizo headcanon is fact in any way
Not that guy but here are NWH vs ATSV demographics
>ATSV
>"guy-leaning at 63%, with 61% between 18-34 and the biggest demo turnout being 18-24 year olds at 40%. 34% Latino and Hispanic, 27% Caucasian, 22% Black and 17% Asian/other."
>No Way Home
>"The 18-34 demo is 70% with men under 25 at 38% (97% grade), men over 25 at 25% (96% grade), women under 25 at 22% (95% grade) and women over 25 at 15% (now a 92% grade) diversity demos are 32% Caucasian, 30% Latino and Hispanic, 17% Black and 14% Asian."
Pretty much the same, when you factor in how much more money NWH made, more non-white people total went to see NWH than ATSV, and that's only domestically, internationally it was a bloodbath, no one cared about ATSV. So three white Peters drew more non-white people to the theaters than the Spider Power Rangers.
We're talking about Black Panther you illiterate mongoloid
What a fricking brain dead take. Miles' game only sold well because of the success of Peter's game. Spider-Verse got popular based on word of mouth and the good will it built up post release. It gained a second life after it left theaters and grew from there. Coco came out right before the day of the dead in Mexico. That's like saying some cheap shitty horror movie did well in October it must be a cultural phenomenon.
>I-It doesn't count
Anything else?
>can't refute a single point
It's not skin deep representation that matters it's fun and good writing. People will play, watch, or read anything as long as they have fun doing it. No one cares about "seeing themselves" in aa superficial sense as much as they want to see a character they can genuinely relate to or enjoy imagining themselves as.
>I-It doesn't count
Great point lmao
Whatever cope you need. Shitty race swapped stuff and forced stuff to make it "diverse" will bomb en masse. Keep propping up the two or three successes that are just leeched from currently successful franchises
How about you start making some points first before dismissing any evidence with "it doesn't count" and your moronic memes
You've been presented with arguments, but because of your low intelligence and maturity, your responses amount to:
>lol schizo chud
>You've been presented with arguments
>N-N-No it doesn't count that the movies and games made money
Again. Fantastic argument lol. Got anything else to say? Something of substance for once?
You pathetic, c**ty b***h. Don't start arguments that you obviously haven't prepared yourself for.
The demographics breakdown for ATSV is almost identical to NWH, except far fewer people showed up total
You have to be daft if you think this guy isn't going to be the first thing people think of when they hear the name "Spider-Man" for the next thirty to sixty years at least.
Here is your replacement for Peter.
They can try all they want.
Choose your Spider-Man and replacement for Peter lol.
Why does Peter NEED to be replaced?
To make room for Miles and Spider-Gwen of course.
They're both shitty and redundant characters that have only gotten as far as they have thanks to being writer's pets and leeching off of Spidey's name.
Let him have his happy ending and ride off into the sunset
They already did. Ultimate Spider-Man got that ending. Why do you want to retire all Peter Parkers?
>Ultimate
And just how is Peter is supposed to have a happy ending he sold his marriage with MJ to Mephisto he finds out that out MJ cheated on him. I honestly think the only thing left to do is revive Gwen and have him ride off with her into the sunset.
So what they tried to do in the 90s with Ben
What the frick is that thing in the bottom right corner?
Miles is built for big troony wiener
BTC ?
ITT: Racists trying so damn hard to not out themselves
I'd have some more respect for you if you just admitted it.
Your respect means nothing either way.
Very unpersonal. Spider-Man has gone from a relatable story of responsibility and become a brand. Not every mask fits everyone.
You can be your own hero, but if you're chasing someone else's version, you're not doing that. And all these spiders are doing just that: no matter what extra writer's pet powers they're given, however fancy their outfits, they're just wearing Peter's mask.
It’s exclusively for donut steel homosexualry that sucks the life out of Spider-Man like a parasite. If you want a character to grow try making something new, don’t rip off the original then throw it out to make your carbon copy look better
aw cmon you don't like seeing the lifeless parody of disney princesses spider-man? or spider-man if he was a queer and the world he lived in was queer as frick too? you dont LOVE that as a spider-man fan?
For me it’s what if Spider-Man was a lesbian and had a very specific handicap just like the writer plus she toes the line of being a c**t to her friends for helping because she’s handi-capable and being a c**t to faculty for not helping her because she’s helpless sometimes
Aren't most of the Spider-Men Peter Parker anyway?