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not really
Batman animated series was very noir
Of course it was, it was drawn on black paper.
Couldnt even go three posts without mentioning the heckin black paper
Dark Deco is based
> Kids WB once told Bruce Timm that his show was so dark he was about to reach the legal limit of how dark his show could be.
What's the legal limit then?
They've since changed the legal limit to account for ESG
Yeh, the good episodes are really good, but the bad ones are BAAAD.
Which are the bad episodes?
I wouldn't call any bad but some of the early episodes feel dry and boring ones with forgettable villains
The ones you don't like.
For your consideration... The Underdwellers.
I liked it. Always freaked me out as a kid. Yes, it was a cartoon for children. You are not analizing it as an adult product right?
It did have some more adult stuff I found boring at the time. Things with crime Alley and mafia and redemption and stuff.
>You are not analizing it as an adult product right?
What a crock of shit handwave excuse that is for a bad episode. Most of the early episodes you can analyze as an adult product even with it being aimed at a younger demographic, you can't say genuinely that episodes like Heart of Ice, Beware the Grey Ghost , and Feat of Clay have no merit because the show was a cartoon aimed at kids.
Well, it freaked me out as a kid so it managed to accomplish what it wanted. You sure you watched those episodes when you were less than 12yo?
BTAS is good because the art style, writing and tone mean that a lot of it is palatable for adults even though it's clearly not targeted at them. The kid-centric episodes suck because the kid characters are too annoying so it only appeals to kids.
Pic related.
Watched it again recently and Poison Ivy is ridiculously hot.
that episode is cute
This. its a kids show. what's wrong with having an episode with kids?
Jesus that one was shit. Even the Penguin couldn't save it and I fricking love the Penguin.
On the topic of penguin, that episode where he the high society twits bring him along as a party gag was brutal
another prime example of an episode as mature as any adult show
90% of the episodes revolving around kid characters, and most of them after they redesigned and tweaked the tone to make it fit into the Superman cartoon universe
I can smell your edge from half way across the world
>BAAAD
homosexual
>On the commentary track for "Heart of Ice" on the Batman: The Animated Series, Volume One DVD, producer Bruce Timm stated that Spectrum Animation was responsible for airbrushing Mr. Freeze's helmet in every frame that featured him. Such attention to detail ultimately drove the studio to bankruptcy; most of their staff members are now working for Production I.G.
Well... it's certainly a nice visual effect, but was it worth it?
That was only one of like 8 studios that they outsourced the animation to.
To me, it's kinda cheesy and goofy in some places and doesn't have an endgame going for it. It can get formulaic at times recycling the same Monster of the Week plot for some of Batman's rogues.
Batman also tries too hard playing psychotherapist with some of the rogues later in the series, particularly with Poison Ivy, Two Face, Harley Quinn, and Ridler as examples.
The best examples are the ones where there isn't any happy ending or resolution and Bruce continues to be Bruce. Cases like Baby Doll, Heart of Ice, The Demon's Quest, The Two-Face Two Parter, The Laughing Fish, and to an extent, The Joker's Favor are some of the best the series has to offer.
>endgame
What would that be? It's an episodic series.
Just like have Batman be prepared for passing the cowl to a successor, build up his rivalry with the Joker, and prepare himself for the likelihood of a Justice League with Superman and other heroes.
But there's little-to-no continuity for a couple of DCAU-related shows and comics in the 90s, so who's gonna care?
It did have Zatanna and a crossover with Superman. And Batman Beyond eventually. The DCAU built a connected universe better than Snyder.
it does not make a better show by having connection to other DC things, thats like saying Marvel movies are better films because of the cameos at the end, just cause it makes people do the soi face doesn't make it a better film. Batman is always at its strongest when its standalone. Anyways between Night Wing, Robin, and Batgirl there was an obvious future being alluded too.
>no endgame
Thats a dumb complaint, not every show needs this. Baby Doll is top notch, so is the Clayface one where he dies at the end.
Clayface was such a good baddie.
its called Epilogue
That's JLU
rewatch the first min of s01e01 of btas and the first min of epilogue
>doesn't have an endgame going for it.
The endgame is Bruce becomes a bitter old man and passes the torch to Terry.
I tried watching it after Batman Beyond and couldnt get into it. Seemed way too goofy. Although I'm sure that as the show goes on it improves a lot and without btas we wouldnt have other Batman kinos.
Still, I think S1 of Beyond is some of the best Batman content. It's a shame it kind of fizzled out and went nowhere with S2 and 3. Terry really lacked an arch nemesis like Blight and they started reusing villains.
>BTAS
boring and chintzy, typical manchild fodder.
This show did not have a good Catwoman.
Catwoman is a bad character.
I respect your opinion. Good day, sir.
Catwoman is the classic female fatale trope, you twit.
My dick still holds up...... to your chin
Watched a bit recently. It's kinda shocking how much better the writing and animation is compared to just about every anime tv series ever made.
morons think "person i don't like in a tv show" automatically means "bad character" not realising that a really good and well written character can actually be someone you absolutely fricking hate.
Except that person literally said "bad character ".
That's Ivy though
It's an excellent series and the robin episodes were extremely well done. Only trannies who swallow goyslop and other dogshit will complain about this show.
I just rewatched the whole thing and its better than today's shit like Arcane, better than any superhero films. The balance between humor, adventure, and drama is perfect. Overall the truest look into Batman's rogue gallery with the truest batman depiction. Also characters like Roxy Rocket, Harley, and Poison Ivy are as sexy as cartoons get and likely the reason I turned out straight.
how can 3D even compete
arcane turned into complete garbage after episode 3. couldn't believe how awful that story became after the timeskip.
This right here.
Show was good then, and it only got better.
>Or maybe everything else got worse.
It does. I slightly prefer Beyond over it. You can't have Batman Beyond without BtAS, and I think Beyond was a real good continuation. That is, as long as you ignore the bull that Bruce Timm pulled for the very end 'twist' with Terry that ruins everything Beyond stood for.
I love Beyond but the original Harley and Joker from TAS is my favorite depiction of those characters and it keeps the show above Beyond for me
It still blows my mind how Harley originated from the cartoon. She fits in so seemlessly that you'd think she came from the comics before. Same for several other original characters like Baby Doll and The Rocketeer.
agreed, Baby Doll especially impressed me cause her motivation is so believable, when the episode ends with her hugging batman by the leg my heart sinks
Yeah it does. Especially if you watch Batman Beyond right after that.
i've never bothered with it because most western caroons are episodic - self-contained stories every episode - and i absolutely despise that. same reason i can't get into cowboy bebop.
one of the reasons i think the last airbender is fricking amazing is that most episodes involve the characters making progress on their journeys. even in the "filler" ones (which help flesh out the characters so i'm ok with them). i wish there were more action/adventure cartoons like this in the west. especially with more adult themes. unfortunately anime seems to have a monopoly on this type of animation right now.
needing continuity is autistic, BTAS is better off with its barely continuity otherwise it wouldn't make sense Batman having to put away criminals who break out so quickly constantly
How many western TV series in the early 90s had serialized plots in general? Literally fricking just like, soap operas.
Quinn just gets hotter
I think X-Men TAS and Gargyoles had that for a bit.
>one of the reasons i think the last airbender is fricking amazing
You're a manchild and you need to grow up. There's more depth to single episodes of Bebop and BTAS than the entirety of ATLA. And I don't even rate the former 2 as highly as others.
depth alone doesn't matter. i thought episode 5 of cowboy bebop was artistically amazing in all aspects but i could barely watch beyond it because episodic stories just suck. i don't care if you write the deepest short story you can - i want something bigger and more epic. i'm reading dune right now and i can say for a fact it's far deeper than cowboy bebop and btas but it's also a long running story.
5 individual stories with complete and concise stories is every bit as good as 5 episodes that lead to a resolution/climax for a continued story. They both have strengths. Anyways Dune is fricking awesome and I had an amazing time reading and thinking about the first 4 books when I read them a year ago. Im thinking about reading the last 2 though Im worried about the cliffhanger.
>i'm reading dune right now and i can say for a fact it's far deeper than cowboy bebop and btas but it's also a long running story.
Completely different medium but Dune is vastly overrated. You realise that the most acclaimed novels aren't novel series right?
Dune is the best novel series there is imo. I mostly read non series stories but Dune was enriched by the connective stories forming a sort of legend/bible like quality that most fantasies fail to have
yea that's what i like about it so far. it doesn't have the deepest characters but the worldbuilding is crazy.
it takes a long time but both Paul and his son are built up to very deep by the end of their stories
yea i haven't gotten that far though i know leto II exists. and i've been spoiled on one or two things.
oh one last thing. i want to complain that whenever i see chani's name this ugly gorilla comes to my mind because i saw the movie before reading the books.
looks like someone didn't read God-Empetor
>no deep characters
b***h leto II wants to have a word
The last two episodes of Cowboy Bebop make the entire series worth it.
This is such a narrow-minded outlook on cinema mainly because Bebop is miles ahead of ATLA. Not every story needs to start with a simplistic character becoming slightly more complex after going through a character "arc". Bebop is a story about characters fully formed and fleshed out from day 1. We don't see them grow a lot (but we do see them grow closer together) but rather the show reveals what kind of people they're, their traumas, their quirks, what compels them, and whatnot as it goes on. It's simply far more interesting than anything ATLA offers.
>It's simply far more interesting than anything ATLA offers.
i wish that were the case. also why are you dipshits responding with some generalized idealized concepts? what you're saying sounds good in theory. but the reality is that cowboy bebop's self contained stories mostly suck ass and aren't as enjoyable as atla's fully fleshed out lengthy story. bebop's handicapped by its shitty format unfortunately.
>responding with some generalized idealized concepts?
Because your entire argument hinges on one(arc/grand narratives vs episodic). I don't care whether you find it personally interesting. I mean I don't care about Avatar's "world-building" or "Character development", it's for kids.
>I don't care whether you find it personally interesting
yes but this applies to all the dumb shit you're bringing up in response, including what you're saying about world building and character development. i similarly don't care. most braindead casuals share your opinion. dumber/less mature people tend to like the media you like more than they like the media i like. that doesn't make one better or worse in some objective sense, though obviously one kind of enjoyment is more respected in the abstract than the other.
>i similarly don't care. most braindead casuals share your opinion. dumber/less mature people tend to like the media you like more than they like the media i like.
You certainly seem like you care with all this seething. Most of the biggest tv series this past decade have been overarching stories(GOT to give an example). So the "normies" don't have a preference for either one.
The funniest part about all of this is that, you're bringing the popularity argument to defend ATLA a hugely popular show amongst normies. Normie kids specifically, kek. You're a cretin. Just like every other ATLA manchild you spergout when people who enjoy other stuff don't like ATLA.
If you don't want people to shit on your kiddie show, maybe try to not to shoehorn it into other discussions next time.
>You certainly seem like you care with all this seething
i care about the bad and nonsensical points you're making and i'm enjoying dunking on them but i don't care about mere preferences. i didn't realize it was a trigger to bring up atla in cartoon discussions but apparently people have inferiority complexes about it.
>The funniest part about all of this is that, you're bringing the popularity argument to defend ATLA a hugely popular show amongst normies
what popularity argument? i didn't defend any show on the basis of its popularity. i just said that the media i like has more intelligent fans than the media you like while acknowledging that doesn't make it objectively better.
>Just like every other ATLA manchild you spergout when people who enjoy other stuff don't like ATLA.
what are you talking about? when did i say anything about people not being able to like atla? i said i disliked bebop and bats because of their episodic format - didn't say they were objectively bad or something - and then people got mad in response and called atla childish for some irrelevant reason. i never said you can't feel that way. it's just a weird response. but apparently atla fans often dislike other cartoons and this has angered people and made them feel insecure so it's something i'll keep in mind next time. and maybe lean into because it's kinda funny.
the sopranos isn't some episodic cartoon.
>i care about the bad and nonsensical points you're making
Nah, you came into a thread trying to push your children's media circlejerk and got shat on.
> i'm enjoying dunking on them.
Lel, everyone is laughing at your stupidity moron. You can tell yourself you're winning this argument but that is and will always be cope.
>what popularity argument?
Read what you wrote you cretin.
> most braindead casuals share your opinion
>Casuals
You tried to imply my taste is that of casuals aka popular shit.
> i just said that the media i like has more intelligent fans.
Fans of ATLA are seen as emotionally and intellectually stunted manchildren. Don't flatter yourself. You need to grow up moron. Maybe one day you'll grow out of obsessing media meant to teach 10 year olds simplistic moral lessons.
> called atla childish for some irrelevant reason.
It's literally a children's show, dumbfrick. People hate you because your ilk as others have told you constantly tries to bring up this crap in irrelevant threads.
>Nah, you came into a thread trying to push your children's media circlejerk and got shat on.
i didn't even expect it to get replies let alone to trigger anyone. but now i realize that's what happens to insecure fans of other series when you post a cartoon that gets more critical attention and praise.
>Lel, everyone is laughing at your stupidity moron
no people got mad at different taste and then got embarrassed when i called out their bullshit. like you.
>You tried to imply my taste is that of casuals aka popular shit.
you do have casual taste. but i didn't make a "popularity argument". wtf even is that.
>Fans of ATLA are seen as emotionally and intellectually stunted manchildren
is that why so many fans of other cartoons got really mad and stomped their feet at the mere mention of someone liking a different cartoon than they do?
>Maybe one day you'll grow out of obsessing media meant to teach 10 year olds simplistic moral lessons.
isn't that bats? a big complaint seems to be that most episodes are childish.
>It's literally a children's show, dumbfrick
yea but so is bats. something being made for children doesn't mean it's bad or shallow or something. it can be made such that all ages enjoy it. bats seems to be made for kids. you probably like media that was made for children. nothing wrong with that. it's just a weird and irrelevant thing to say.
>People hate you because your ilk as others have told you constantly tries to bring up this crap in irrelevant threads.
lol pathetic how fans of some cartoon hurts people so much. i'll be more sensitive to your feelings next time.
> but now i realize that's what happens to insecure fans of other series when you post a cartoon that gets more critical attention and praise.
Lel, it's what happens when some moron drops a moronic opinion.
> when i called out their bullshit. like you.
As I said, you can cope with your headcanon all you want. It won't change the reality that you're being laughed at for being a ATLA manchild.
> you do have casual taste. but i didn't make a "popularity argument". wtf even is that.
So you're 80 IQ. You can't evan read what's being said explicitly. Let me put it simple words for you.
1) You're a moron for trying to accuse others of having casual taste while dickriding one of the most casual/normie show of all time.
>is that why so many fans of other cartoons
No they reason is you try to shit up unrelated threads.
>isn't that bats? a big complaint seems to be that most episodes are childish.
Some episodes*
> something being made for children doesn't mean it's bad or shallow or something.
Most of the time it is. You're on a the same level as Dora the explorer.
>lol pathetic how fans of some cartoon hurts people so much.
I'm sorry you're not getting the validation you desperately wanted but it is what it is. Your show is crap and no one wants to discuss it.
>Lel, it's what happens when some moron drops a moronic opinion.
what's moronic about not liking the episodic format?
>As I said, you can cope with your headcanon all you want
but you spoke in terms of a show being objectively superior based on abstract meaningless concepts and i slapped it down and you never recovered.
>You're a moron for trying to accuse others of having casual taste while dickriding one of the most casual/normie show of all time.
but you can say someone has casual taste while enjoying a popular show yourself. it's about trends. that's not contradictory.
>No they reason is you try to shit up unrelated threads.
if you were worried about "unrelated threads" being shit up then you wouldn't even respond to me because this back and forth has created far more offtopic posting than the initial post. so your excuse makes no sense. what does make sense is that someone appreciating a more critically acclaimed series makes you feel insecure. you wish your episodic cartoon got more recognition. it's ok for you to like bats even if it's not as popular and can't tell as grand a narrative because it's limited by its format. i haven't watched it so i can't say for certain that it's bad or something. responding to me isn't going to make your favorite series more popular.
>Most of the time it is
maybe.
>You're on the same level as Dora the explorer
i think dora follows a more episodic format too actually. lol.
>I'm sorry you're not getting the validation you desperately wanted
i don't think that's a fair characterization.
>Your show is crap and no one wants to discuss it.
but atla gets dicussed far more often than bats and in fact you've been discussing atla this whole time. you are contradicting yourself constantly...
>what's moronic about not liking the episodic format?
We just explained the whole thing to you. Keep up.
>but you spoke in terms of a show being objectively superior based on abstract meaningless.
Yet, you have the gall to ask questions like "what's so wrong about disliking an episodic format?" You're not even consistent with your own opinion within a single comment.
>but you can say someone has casual taste while enjoying a popular show yourself.
No, no you don't. It's called being a hypocrite. Everything you dick rode ITT is popular mainstream crap.
>if you were worried about "unrelated threads" being shit up then you wouldn't even respond to me because this back.
Shitting on you prevents repeated behavior. Don't worry, other anons can have a discussion while you're being mocked.
>think dora follows a more episodic format.
Just goes to show. It's not the formatt it's the writing. You crap is of the same quality as that.
>fair characterization.
It's fair.
>More discussion
Where? Because BTAS usually stick to Cinemaphile where it's constantly discussed.
>We
you*. and you never explained it.
>Yet, you have the gall to ask questions like "what's so wrong about disliking an episodic format?"
but disliking something isn't the same as saying it's objectively bad in some sense. please try to be more good faith.
>No, no you don't. It's called being a hypocrite.
it's not. there's a difference between generally liking casual things and liking one thing that's casual.
>Everything you dick rode ITT is popular mainstream crap.
bats and cowboy bebop are pretty popular and mainstream.
>Shitting on you prevents repeated behavior
but this has actually emboldened me because it makes me realize my arguments are unassailable and that innocuously sharing an opinion can get people really mad.
>Just goes to show. It's not the formatt it's the writing
the writing is constricted by the format though. the bats and dora comparison is pretty sensible.
>It's fair
yea...
>Where? Because BTAS usually stick to Cinemaphile where it's constantly discussed.
on most boards. on most websites. on most everywhere. even in bats Cinemaphile threads apparently lol
>more intelligent fans
you really think this don't you? BTAS is a much smarter show than Avatar, and I like both
Bebop isn't even in Watanabe's top 3 shows.
now you're just talking crazy
This show does have evolving plot points, though it is mostly episodic.
Ur gay and everything in your post is wrong
Yet another avatar the last airbender gay.
Yes the show was good. Did it deserve the fanboy worship. No
It isnt deep, it makes a lot of tearjerking stories and real life situations but all of them dont say anything important.
Its a good story but its for kids, avatar the last airbender and adventure time are the same thing.
Strange world where a kid grows up. And it touches on childhood emotions like jealousy and relationships not working out.
Its nice but it has the story depth of a kids show. Only manchildren a die hard fans who would bring it up unprompted in a batman thread like a fricking homosexual.
You are pathetic, and deserved korra.
that's all fine. there's nothing wrong with masterfully executing time old themes that appeal to people of all ages. korra is flawed but underrated, and easily one of the greatest cartoons ever made because cartoons are just that awful. batman included (episodic bullshit).
I get you. ATLA is a bland white bread show. Hardly anything visceral about it. The circlejerk around it is weird and reminds me of Star Wars man-child behavior.
>i've never bothered with it because most western caroons are episodic - self-contained stories every episode - and i absolutely despise that. same reason i can't get into cowboy bebop.
Thank you for ruining TV
the sopranos is my favorite tv series of all time
Frick, you must really hate anthology shows and short films.
I never got a chance to watch this, but I do have fond memories of being like 8 years old or something and watching pic related kino on Saturday nights.
I don't like the intro. The music sucks arse
>I don't like the intro.
The intro deadass slaps. Listen to the cleaned up version.
Meh, i like batman beyond more.
And x men evolution intro
Mask of the Phantasm is one of the greatest movies ever conceived and I still rewatch it from time to time.
The first season and Mask of the Phantasm are high points of animation and always will be. After that it gets a bit dicier and becomes more of a "cartoon".
The entire Art Deco/Noir fusion art style is still my favorite aesthetic of all time and the only things that scratch my itch to see more are Bioshock and The Big O and both of them are primarily just Art Deco. Gotham was always portrayed as a gothic/noir/art deco city, at least in the modernish era of Batman, but none of the other styles grasped that mix of the high life and crusty switchblade filled alleys at a glance like BTAS, with maybe Tim Burton's Gotham coming the closest but constrained by live action sets. An Art Deco skyscraper backed with a dark red sky and a black facade sets the tone instantly.
The intro is downright perfect too, Danny Elfman was composing out of his fricking mind back then.
i have a major crush on Batgirl. Harley as well but thats everyone whose seen the show
Bruce Timm was a huge coomer
Mystery of Batwoman was basically a haram anime for Bruce
>Was
Bruce Timm is probably the biggest coomer working in animation to this day
No one can stop him, he will cram his fetishes into any project he works on.
That movie was one of the few thing in the DCAU Timm had nothing to do with.
All the girls in that show were sexy. Ras' daughter, the Mad Hatter's Alice, and that actress with the hormone disorder that kept her 9 years old forever.
This is an edit right?
>he doesn't know
that show was lewd AF
Poison ivy in the new adventures looked alot sexier. She had the goth girl look
There were spin-off comics and they were allowed to get a tiny bit more dicy.
Babs was always hot in most portrayals. Hence Nightwing dicking her (and Starfire).
Could you blame Bruce? Could you blame Barbara?
It was the logical conclusion and the characters speaking by themselves. It would be bad writting making it not happen for any moronic reason.
The early Batman episodes were great but as the series went on Batman as a character got flanderized and he became a mean spirited edgelord. Compare how he behaves with Baby Doll and how behaves with even his companions like Batgirl in later episodes. I maybe misremembering but I think this change occurred during the TNBA run or at least sometines before that. Conroy also became lazy and stilted.
>got flanderized and he became a mean spirited edgelord.
It's not getting flanderized. It's literally his character development. The longer he's Batman, the more he ostracizes others around him until he's just a bitter old man living in a mansion with nothing as his legacy.
>. The longer he's Batman, the more he ostracizes others
Character development needs to onscreen and it needs make sense. There aren't particularly any episodes of BTAS that "broke him". He's mostly sympathetic throughout the series and then starts being a dick to his own comrades.
It also defeats the entire purpose of having characters like Batgirl and Robin. They're in theory supposed to make Batman open up more and for him to become an even bigger butthole for no specific reason after their arrival makes no sense.
After looking at some of Bruce Timm's other works, I'm inclined to assign this to bad writing from him(he seems to love edgy/butthole Batman) than some smart character work.
I Am the Night broke him. The one where Gordon gets shot.
>It also defeats the entire purpose of having characters like Batgirl and Robin.
The origin Robin left Batman cause Batman was fricking Batgirl. Then the second Robin got tortured and brainwashed by the Joker. You see that by the time Justice League comes around he's all alone.
>The origin Robin left Batman cause Batman was fricking Batgirl
Which is precisely my point? This isn't the cause of him becoming a dick, this is him being a dick to his family.
He ends the episode with a renewed sense of purpose with one minor criminal boy becoming reformed because of Batman's kindness. So no, that episode most definitely didn't break Batman.
It did for a bit. You can't have a truly broken Batman because he's the star of a kids cartoon. For that see Batman Beyond.
Oh, also Perchance to Dream and Mask of the Phantasm.
And the times he got hit with Scarecrow's gas.
i never thought of Batman as mean spirited and typically I find that quality a deal breaker
Just compare early BTAS Batman and JL animated Batman. You'll know what I'm talking about.
This episode was garbage.
I always found it comfy as frick
nah that shit was cash
>not liking fun
if they had brought back Harley's original VA and kept the costume for the new show every single BTAS fan would have watched it, would've been that easy
I liked that episode where they spread a virus through cryptocurrency,
It's good, but Justice League/Unlimited is better
THE PLASTIC TIPS ON SHOELACES ARE CALLED "AGLETS"
AND THEIR TRUE PURPOSE IS SINISTER
Justice League > Batman: TAS > Batman Beyond > Superman: TAS > Static Shock > Zeta Project as far as DCAU goes.
For some reason I could never get into Beyond
I think it was the cringeworthy fake future lingo. And Terry was just unlikable to me
It certainly didn't have the emotional weight, but it was a million times more fun and allowed itself to get creative (i.e. Superman time travelling with Vandal Savage)
Which when you're talking about kids cartoons I'd take that over elevating Mr. Freeze's backstory
>kids cartoon
see thats just our difference, between sexualized characters, tragic backstories, and plots as deep as any superhero film I don't consider BTAS a kids cartoon
The fake future lingo in Beyond was based as frick, I use 'Schway' unironically in real life
Based
But what was the question
How did he get away with it?
Agreed. JL was peak cartoons. Batman started the DCAU but JL expanded it. When we were kids DCAU was some of the best cartoons around. Kids these days have shit imo.
Definitely, Thalia in that belly dancer like outfit = I cum buckets
you know this isn't official art right?
no fricking shit lol
DCAU is absolute kino and I will not entertain arguments against it.
? im not arguing against it, its kino, the art is from a game
>that one time anon pretended to know something he did not
now that's what i call cringe
That's her dad in her body, you know
still would
That soundtrack bros. ...
i like it, but JL/JLU is better.
i dont remember JLU having the emotional weight BTAS had but its been many years since I watched Justice League
It was mostly just GOTTA SMASH. There was that one episode with Ace.
It does more than hold up, you fricking moron. It's great.
Crazy how good Batman is when the show focuses on more rogues than just Joker. Now if only Reeves would listen.
SEX aside
How many abandoned amusement parks does Gotham have?
it's biggest industry is abandoned industries
Oh that reminds me. It got an HD release right? I might re-watch it.
His best suit was in the later seasons including justice league.
The yellow emblem does not make him look intimidating he looks very campy
In the comics it's explained as a target to shoot rather than his exposed face.
Never thought of it that way.
I still don't like it. Because it looks too flashy
What is the purpose of batman having a cape when he does not glide in the cartoons?
Misdirection. Hard to tell where the arms are.
Intimidation. Makes him look bigger.
Ah. I guess he's going for the dracula look
Why is the HBOmax version of BTAS out of order? I didn't want to dig out my blu-ray of the series but I might need to, the convenience of it being on there there is worthless if I need to keep looking at the release order.
HBO does this with a lot of shows it’s fricking baffling. Not only is Tom & Jerry out of order but it’s also divided by seasons (?)
I cannot remember if the two face penny is part of the backstory or is from a specific episode.
Almost Got 'Im. Comic origin is different.
It's shown in the clip episode with all the different villains. In BTAS it's Two-Face's coin, but in the comics it's a trophy from a different villain.
I've tried to get into it recently but it's just very dumb.
Sure the animation looks high but in a shallow way as it also cuts corner with every single thing it cans and that kind of makes it dull and repetitive once the novelty wears off.
The horrible looking Justice League ones are slightly better because they have a better script/story.
have a nice day zoomer.
Ywnbaw auto gynopholiac.
>I threw a rock at him!
it's a big rock
The worst episodes were the ones that really tried to push some social commentary. Catwoman episodes were bad for this especially.
Haha, the Catwoman episodes were all written by the same person mostly.
Thanks god HBO new ceo dropped that new batman cartoon. It was probably going to be troony Black person shit: the series
Catwoman had to be the most poorly utilized character, also her redesign like many others was shit
The homelessness episode is pretty memorable. Sweet music too.
That music takes me back to my childhood. It was really badass. I watched persian dub of this
Cool man Persian is a beautiful language.
i don't mean to sound racist but when brown people talk about being brown on Cinemaphile it shatters my illusion of this being a cool place for white brethren to discuss things (i can't identify/empathize with brown people). i'd appreciate if you kept your race to yourself next time. thank you.
>(i can't identify/empathize with brown people).
that's your problem brah. If you travel and talk to people you'll find people just like yourself all over. I hopped on interpals and chatted up a thai girl who likes all the exact same video games, anime, and tv shows I like. She might as well be some chick from Toronto or something she's so westernized.
your a fricking moron Black person bro, keep your whiteness to yourself
t.white
next time say t.leftist. they're anti-white. means the same shit.
im no leftist im a conservative, i just find the idea of thinking you can't empathize with brown people completely braindead, people are people, I empathize better with browns than i do white leftists
wow, he's literally me!
you mean the harley ones (cept for harleyquinade)
The worst episodes are when they focus on some crap villains/characters and there's no intrigue in the story, e.g. the furry episode, the episodes with the recurring ninja from Batman's training days.
>the episodes with the recurring ninja from Batman's training days
I actually like those episodes.
I think it's just the fact that there are too many of them and they all have very similar basic plots.
I can only think of two, and unless memory misleads me, they share the same villain.
I've yet to see an anime series as good as this.
most of mal's top 10. dozens from mal's top 100. go take a look.
Who is Mal?
that dude's wife from inception.
or myanimelist. ranking/aggregation site for anime.
That's a bit harsh.
Dragon ball super
Hajime no Ippo's initial run is pretty good
It’s still the best overall adaptation of Batman.
>109 episodes
yep i'll pass.
Haha, it's episodic.
yeah and sopranos has 86 episodes double the length, how can you watch anything if you make these arbitrary limits? every good show runs that long except for a few dramas and a few comedies
Reminder that DC is out of their minds for not making a Batman Beyond movie yet
Best episode coming through.
The theme still pops into my head every now and again. The music for BTAS was incredible.
>The theme still pops into my head every now and again. The music for BTAS was incredible.
Also want to say that both directing, sets, and especially music has incredibly degraded in the last few decades. For instance the classic meltdown sequence from "Homer Defined", not only features good directing but a fantastic score. This kind of direction and music are completely lacking from modern productions, most especially The Simpsons. But it was pretty standard back them.
It was. Oodles of soul.
>Clock King
Nice. Probably because they absolutely nailed it by making him a believable, if kooky character. Previously as far as the Adam West era went, he was just the weirdo of the week. I'm assuming there was some development in the comics since, but I dunno, I'm not really sure.
Very true. Like the weird thing with the Simpson's for me is that I generally really dislike musicals. But I really enjoyed the Simpson's musical numbers. It just worked.
My favorite is the Clock King. I don't know why. I think it's because I'm really into being on time and if someone fricked with that I'd probably kill them. I can relate to the Clock King so much.
Oh wow, turns out they made a bunch of direct to video movies that continue the continuity that I wasnt' aware of? I knew of Mask of the Phantasm already since it was a big deal and a feature film. The 2003 one is just really weird since it's so late, and I had never heard of it. That they were making 10 years of Batman shows set in this continuity is nuts for me.
I guess I'll go ahead and watch them now?
>Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero (1998; direct-to-video)
>Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (2000; direct-to-video)
>Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman (2003; direct-to-video)
It's like the show was good or something. Imagine that?
>It's like the show was good
It wasn't. Frick off nostalgia cuck.
yeah everyone in the thread is just lying
It's just that for kids shows they tend to run on cycles. They produce a new show that replaces the old one and they just go on forever. After Batman they did Superman, then Justice League, but no new Batman for ages until the 00's. That gave a lot of time. But by 2003 Batman TAS would have long been off the air even for re-runs, replaced by the newer batman shows. Thus a Batman TAS direct to video in 2003 seems weird. Batman Beyond ended like 3 years previously.
It's just weird that the last Batman TAS production is some weird direct to video 2003 movie is all. "Return of the Joker" feels much more in-line.
I really like the Art Deco aesthetic, where you're not sure if it's supposed to be the 20's, 50's, 90's, or near-future. I mean yeah, he's got a supercomputer in the batcave but the cars look ancient.
So what went wrong with Killing Joke anyways? Even aside from understandable padding out the runtime, they made the city look way too modern and Kevin Conroy sounded so unenthused and tired.
I want to FRICK that train, holy shit
neither Kevin Conroy or Mark Hamill can do it anymore like they used to
I feel so old even thinking about this. I was gushing over the show with a high school chick like 20 years ago, and we talked about this very point. The series looks 1940's, with even only black and white tv's, but then you get super computers and advanced tech? It's weird. All of this is completely dropped for the sequel series.
Even weirder, Batman Beyond moves this faux 1940's within someone's lifetime to supposedly the far future technology that we haven't even gotten to yet.
>So what went wrong with Killing Joke anyways?
The batgirl subplot is absolutely terrible for ways that have been described a million times.
Setting it in the modern day with smartphones etc. takes away a lot of atmosphere.
The animation is lazy. The comic is incredibly expressive but all the characters in the animated movie have blank faces the entire time.
Zero artistic value - very plain location designs and flat, boring lighting with no interesting colours
They just do the basic plot elements seemingly without understanding what made the story interesting
Hamill and Conroy completely phone in their performances. Everyone has been wanting them to do this for years and there's not a single memorable line delivery. There are impressionists on Youtube who've done far better fan readings than in the movie.
I'm sorry but after watching The Batman(2022) this feels like shlock.
>get lost in the wiki
>manually remember all those really minor recurring characters
She was actually in the show quite a lot, which is weird considering that nobody ever remembers her.
She's ultimately JUST a cop who is on the good side, but doesn't stand out like the others. She doesn't end up becoming, say Batgirl (which would be a perfect fit actually) so she never is that important. Gordan is memorable since he's the center of many plots and interacts with Batman.
Harvey Bullock is extremely memorable and a scene stealer because he's this fat belligerent butthole. But to be honest, in-universe he's somewhat justified (it's not like he's a crooked cop, just distrusts batman).
Renee thus is just stuck in this center of blandness where she doesnt' stand out and doesn't go anywhere.
>remember this ep
>they straight up kill the villain at the end
>he gets like the worst death imaginable, in that he's trapped in a block of ice and will slowly suffocate as his life support systems fade over time
Jesus.
How come not-Walt-Disney managed to find a way to Mr Freeze himself without losing his hair?
you just KNOW
What a cringe psychopath.
It absolutely does not. The VAST majority of the episodes are shit. The peaks and valleys of this show are the greatest distances apart that I cannot fathom. You have to wade through 5 episodes of shit just to get one good episode.
Do not read this post batman sisters... you'll get an aneurysm.
>It absolutely does not. The VAST majority of the episodes are shit. The peaks and valleys of this show are the greatest distances apart that I cannot fathom. You have to wade through 5 episodes of shit just to get one good episode.
That's just the format, which I wish people would stop whining about. Someone was complaining in Cinemaphile that most Urusei Yatsura episodes are mediocre, but then they have these 10/10 eps here and there. It's just the format of having to produce a lot of episodes in a short period where not all of them will be good. Just accept it, watch the good eps, and then skip the ones you don't like.
I think Batman was like 65 eps per season which is way too much. I actually grew up on the show, and I remember seeing previews for new eps and it felt like for 2 years there was a new episode every week. I remember the ads for the episde where a street gets blown up.
It's kinda like how rock is album focused, while other styles of music are more focused on singles. You pop in an album and it's a few great songs then filler. It's just how it is.
it's only the first season thats so large, 3 - 5th season has only a handfull of eps
Most cartoons around that time aimed to have 65 episodes because that meant you could show an episode every weekday for 3 months before starting the rotation over. That made it easy to sell the show to networks.
Yeah I caught a few random episodes a few months ago, the show goes a little too hard on the episodic content. Oh no evil prison warden, evil robot batman who can't be evil because muh batman, evil memory stealing therapist, way too much random shit to wade through and nothing has time to breathe
Bruce Timm is so based it's actually unbelievable
>harley, you have five second to get off my bed before i put my dick in you.
>you've been warned.
>zatanna literally locks bruce in handcuffs to prevent him from leaving
>he just goes "no way gay" and fricks off
I've watching it since I watched a bit as a kid and man you're not wrong, it's not perfect but man if it isn't just a good ol' time. Very happy I went back
I don't know why they put so much effort into a kids show, but I'm glad they did.
It really was something else.
Its like somebody said, "I got this one shot, it ain't much, but I'm going run with it. Lets burn this motha down!"
It was just sort of crazy how good it was.
>Lets burn this motha down!"
Why do americans speak like Black folk?
>I don't know why they put so much effort into a kids show, but I'm glad they did.
Passion + budget. Only nerds can be this obsessive and focused. Modern corps are hiring smart phone obsessed normies who care what twitter thinks and actually have zero interest in sci-fi or fantasy. They actually think by injecting social commentary (ie. lecturing on feminist theory) they are actually raising it in quality.
I hate that Joker design. The Blue Meanie-esque one from the early seasons was so much better.
The only one who 'improved' from the newer designs was Scarecrow.
Is that the Superman three parter where Joker hijacks giant fixed wing plane and runs amok? Interesting that they portray Mercy as on par with Harley whom I always assumed was superhuman in her dexterity.
>Harley whom I always assumed was superhuman in her dexterity.
In BTAS Harley was a fricking ex psychologist, nothing superhuman about her
Tyger, Tyger is an absolute masterpiece in animated programming.
And while few agree, Moon of the Wolf is spectacular and has incredible scenes during the construction area fight.
I'll never take Heart of Ice seriously because of fricking chicken soup.
JL and JLU are the absolute peak of cape animation and maybe of western non-comedy cartoon shows in general.
Just a reminder that japs who were hired to make batman episodes liked them so much they made their own show in that style.
more like big hoe!
>Hey did you like those Batman TAS characters? Come watch what happens to them in the future in the sequel series: batman Beyond!
>oh btw they all died horribly!
where the frick do i torrent this in h.264 AC format. rarbg is just x264 shit
what's the difference?
The utter anguish in Harvey's scream when he looks in the mirror has never been topped in any medium since.
Best episode
BIG BAD HARV
Poison Thighs
Lordy.
>not "Poison Thighvy"
one fricking job
I just want a Clayface movie, Hollywood crime noir, no Batman just Bruce v clay face
She didn't deserve her fate, bros...
what the frick were they thinking
🙁
I thought it was cool as frick that the video game tie-in included title cards for the levels.
>licensed cartoon comic game
>no-name yurodevs
>one of the best run 'n guns on the system with incredible OST and visuals
It does.
>I issued you a subpoena once...a rather small subpoena
How in the frick there wasn't a Batman movie with a decent Freeze plot is beyond me, such an easy way for a good storyline that everyone will like and it doesn't exist
Didn't enjoy Arnie saying cold puns, anon?
I succesfully forgot about this movie
Thanks for a reminder i guess
It's cool, anon.
Movie was fricking hilarious
ITS TIME TO TURN A NEW LEAF IVY
>new season
>turn Freeze into Pretorius
what the frick were they thinking?
Maybe if you're 12. It's a kids show and has absolutely no value if you aren't a kid.
I'm 36 and I watch it still on HBO Max. What do you have to say to that?
Well my assumption would be that you have autism.
You're a grown man who lives with his parents. Of course you still watch cartoons.
Let me guess you watch marvel movie goyslop and rick and morty
>you don't like childish superheroes so i bet you like childish superheroes
Intelligent post.
Is Timm still making cartoons?
His stuff is so fapworthy
Yes, and once Batman: Caped Crusader hits, Bruce Timm will achieve THE hat trick of defining what the iconic hero should be for several generations.
Bruce Timm's women absolutely obliterate my penis