>All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
gee I dunno
It was written by a British guy that started out as a bedtime story to his kids about rabbits. I’m as antisemetic as they come and I denounce the talmud and disagree with trans kids but you sound like a schitzo applying modern israeli shit to this ye old rabbit story.
This film is relentlessly, almost oppressively depressing. It's one of the few times that I agreed with wokies about something when they complained it shouldn't be shown as a movie for young children.
So a generation of pussies is what you want.
Its actually a positive ending.
I loved Watership Down and Plague Dogs as a kid but my parents let me watch horror films like Evil Dead,The Thing etc because they respected my intelligence enough to know the difference between reality and made up things on a screen.
homosexual.
Yes you definitely turned out just fine, getting all angry at people on the internet for having different opinions. A perfectly well rounded individual.
You have serious problems. I remember the Exorcist and The Shining messing me up at like age 10. I said that once to someone who claimed he was watching Hellraiser at 3. Yeah right.
M8 I had to sit through the fist of the north star anime as a 7 year old because I had older brothers and my parents assumed it would be okay because it was a cartoon.
Seeing some guy getting fingers pushed into his chest while the other guy laughs sadistically is not something a young mind should witness.
My childminders son used to go hunting and once skinned a rabbit in front of me
He cut its head off, threw it to me and said "you can have a lucky rabbit head"
I remember my parents letting me watch this when I was a young child thinking it was some family friendly kids film about rabbits since it had a "U" rating from the BBFC. It gave me nightmares for weeks afterwards.
I've loved the idea of animals having their own culture and religion my whole life so every year Watership Down becomes a little more special in my heart
Narration says he's never seen again and the dog returned to it's owner with significant injuries, I think to one of its eyes. It's implied that he may have survived, but it's highly unlikely.
>actually rewatch it recently >it's pretty good >a lot of the animation looks quite bad but still better than modern CG >it doesn't really capture the weird mythic tone of the book >John Hurt is the only really great voice actor >Kehaar probably should have been cut completely because different animal species being able to talk to each other breaks the feeling of realism >Bright Eyes is barely even audible on the soundtrack
best bit is when Hazel gets shot. the tragic thing is a theoretical perfect adaptation probably won't ever be made, because cell-shaded animation is dead and CGI animation couldn't be made to look artistic enough without gigabux and probably not even then.
it's a huge part of why the book works. you feel like you're with an isolated military unit/primative tribe strugglingto survive. a giant bird with a comedy accent swooping down to deliver exposition ruined the feeling of isolation/immersion.
we need Denis Villeneuve to make two movies that tell the same story less well in more than twice the running time, and includes more events from the books without making them more compelling to watch. >His personality is the explanation for why birds and rabbits never interact
IIRC he's an expository device so Hazel and co can learn about Efrafa before they infiltrate it, and to give them an edge. the way he vanishes from the story by the time of the finale, to raise the drama, made his character feel like a contrivance for me even in the book. I'd have preferred something else.
The movie is 10-15 minutes too short, fact. Kehaar is a force multiplier against efrafa to give them the tiniest unreliable edge. Otherwise efrafa would wipe the floor with them. You could see it as lazy writing or just realistic, either way it reinforces the idea that kindness and openness to fellow europeans is part of hazel's success.
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Kehaar is made a little less of a contrivance by Hazel's directive to be friendly with the other species like the mouse and generally have a diplomatic good will approach. With both the mouse and kehaar they gave help without expecting something in return.
You also mentioned about kehaar being unreliable and I think it's a bit more of a point in the book that they don't know if he will actually help out.
I can't remember the specifics but the movie cut something important with Holly and it doesn't exactly make sense when he meets Hazels rabbits.
The rabbits were based on the military unit that Richard Adams served with in WWII. (I suspect Fiver is his self-insert character.) Kehaar was based on their contact in the Norwegian Resistance.
in the UK Bright Eyes is/was quite well-known in its own right, so when I watched the movie my brain had invented a memory of it playing over a montage of them looking for him. they could have made better use of it but it was just a mistaken expectation I had.
There was a copy of this at my grandmother's when I was a kid. I guess some of the cousins watched it and it became kind of a family meme not to let anyone watch it. I still haven't seen it and even though I've watched the most fricked movies imaginable it still looms like a spectre in my mind.
One of the best things about this cartoon is that, unlike the majority of kids cartoons, the characters aren't completely black and white in their morality. General Woundwort, for example, isn't pure evil. His actions are wrong, but he ultimately is only doing what he thinks is best for the greater good of his warren. He is an excellent character.
>implying
Here is the first edition, first print.
Adams openly admits that it's a daydream of what you wish to happen. That you have bullied his hand into writing a happy ending.
And in that it's a lie.
It's about true kingship. You have all the false kings and pretenders, it shows why Hazel is superior to each. >chief rabbit -- oblivious >Holly -- arrogant >Bigwig -- emotional >Cowslop -- intellectual nihilism >Woundwort -- tyranny
Then you have the true kings Frith and Inle, and El ahraira, who Hazel wants to join. It's a very moral story.
It's good.
israeli fairy tale
all the best ones are
best at brainwashing morons
He says as he browses Cinemaphile
Was Richard Adams israeli?
>All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
gee I dunno
A tale as old as time, but with bunnies.
Jesus Christ, I've never actually seen this movie. Does that happen? He shoots himself in the face? Is this a kids movie???
Watership Down and Plague Dogs weren't made for kids, because they were animated people assumed they were
The Animals of Farthing Wood, however
>the hedgehogs
WHAT THE FRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>this thread
>disturbed by the anthropomorphs doing what nature does
>instead, they often create thread wanting to frick them
why?
they were for kids but the UK where they were made was in a depressing era and in general kids stuff wasn't as sterilised in those days
It sure wasn't.
this captures the spirit of UK kids TV in the 70s
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The Plague Dogs is specially designed to traumatize the kids who were too tough to be defeated by Watership Down.
honestly i was never the same after watching this shit, and i'm a grown man
watership down is in my top 10 but I will never watch this.
>israel and US relationship in a nutshell
jews don't own the trickster archetype. They just tricked you into thinking that.
It was written by a British guy that started out as a bedtime story to his kids about rabbits. I’m as antisemetic as they come and I denounce the talmud and disagree with trans kids but you sound like a schitzo applying modern israeli shit to this ye old rabbit story.
I was just baiting, love Watership Down and love that quote
It's literally a Just So Story about fricking rabbits. Everything eats rabbits, but they are fast and alert. THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE FRICKING MYTH.
THE FRICKING RABBITS MATE
Are these israelites in the room with you right now?
No but they are in the walls stealing all the copper, I can see their shark fins under the plaster.
gonna start calling them money bunnies instead of israelites from now on
meds. now.
>Roman fairy tale
FIFY
This film is relentlessly, almost oppressively depressing. It's one of the few times that I agreed with wokies about something when they complained it shouldn't be shown as a movie for young children.
So a generation of pussies is what you want.
Its actually a positive ending.
I loved Watership Down and Plague Dogs as a kid but my parents let me watch horror films like Evil Dead,The Thing etc because they respected my intelligence enough to know the difference between reality and made up things on a screen.
homosexual.
Yes you definitely turned out just fine, getting all angry at people on the internet for having different opinions. A perfectly well rounded individual.
Y'know what? I'm coming round to you house and skull frick you.
You have schizophrenia and think you're talking to real people.
You have serious problems. I remember the Exorcist and The Shining messing me up at like age 10. I said that once to someone who claimed he was watching Hellraiser at 3. Yeah right.
kids learn the harsh truths of reality one way or another. pets die, relatives die, death is a part of life
It's actually, "Prince with the swift WARNING", not warren.
Based on the fact that rabbits quickly stamp their feet at signs of danger.
I wanna FRICK that thing
i saw it when i was about 6, never been right since
M8 I had to sit through the fist of the north star anime as a 7 year old because I had older brothers and my parents assumed it would be okay because it was a cartoon.
Seeing some guy getting fingers pushed into his chest while the other guy laughs sadistically is not something a young mind should witness.
My childminders son used to go hunting and once skinned a rabbit in front of me
He cut its head off, threw it to me and said "you can have a lucky rabbit head"
this shit gave me nightmares
Do they still show it on TV at Easter?
a cartoon with bunnies, perfect for easter, because you know, the easter bunny
I remember my parents letting me watch this when I was a young child thinking it was some family friendly kids film about rabbits since it had a "U" rating from the BBFC. It gave me nightmares for weeks afterwards.
I love this fuzzy General more than you Black folk will ever know.
>his body was never found
Did Woundwart survive?
Of course he did. Dogs aren't dangerous.
In the book, Hazel says in the epilogue travellers tell tales of a giant rabbit who is fighting Elil all by himself.
Meanwhile rabbits today.
I want to FRICK the BUNNY
>Violet's Gone
Really fricked me up at the time
>best religion in fiction
>best story about leadership
>best voice cast
how did they do it?
I've loved the idea of animals having their own culture and religion my whole life so every year Watership Down becomes a little more special in my heart
The circle of life.
Are rabbits really this violent and territorial?
Rabbits can be absolute frickers.
Doesn't he kill the dog, or does the dog kill him?
He skinned the dog alive but had to go to a deep burrow under the mountain and recuperate from his wounds. He comes back when needed most.
Narration says he's never seen again and the dog returned to it's owner with significant injuries, I think to one of its eyes. It's implied that he may have survived, but it's highly unlikely.
Yes. All wild animals are. It's why people are always told that wild animals aren't pets.
I hate this word but I cant think of anything else to describe that rabbit. He was an absolute badass.
oh my god is he okay
>actually rewatch it recently
>it's pretty good
>a lot of the animation looks quite bad but still better than modern CG
>it doesn't really capture the weird mythic tone of the book
>John Hurt is the only really great voice actor
>Kehaar probably should have been cut completely because different animal species being able to talk to each other breaks the feeling of realism
>Bright Eyes is barely even audible on the soundtrack
best bit is when Hazel gets shot. the tragic thing is a theoretical perfect adaptation probably won't ever be made, because cell-shaded animation is dead and CGI animation couldn't be made to look artistic enough without gigabux and probably not even then.
>breaks the feeling of realism
Oh no, the realism of my talking rabbit religion movie.
it's a huge part of why the book works. you feel like you're with an isolated military unit/primative tribe strugglingto survive. a giant bird with a comedy accent swooping down to deliver exposition ruined the feeling of isolation/immersion.
the movie is just too short. Kehaar is fine. His personality is the explanation for why birds and rabbits never interact IRL, as opposed to language.
we need Denis Villeneuve to make two movies that tell the same story less well in more than twice the running time, and includes more events from the books without making them more compelling to watch.
>His personality is the explanation for why birds and rabbits never interact
IIRC he's an expository device so Hazel and co can learn about Efrafa before they infiltrate it, and to give them an edge. the way he vanishes from the story by the time of the finale, to raise the drama, made his character feel like a contrivance for me even in the book. I'd have preferred something else.
The movie is 10-15 minutes too short, fact. Kehaar is a force multiplier against efrafa to give them the tiniest unreliable edge. Otherwise efrafa would wipe the floor with them. You could see it as lazy writing or just realistic, either way it reinforces the idea that kindness and openness to fellow europeans is part of hazel's success.
Kehaar is made a little less of a contrivance by Hazel's directive to be friendly with the other species like the mouse and generally have a diplomatic good will approach. With both the mouse and kehaar they gave help without expecting something in return.
You also mentioned about kehaar being unreliable and I think it's a bit more of a point in the book that they don't know if he will actually help out.
I can't remember the specifics but the movie cut something important with Holly and it doesn't exactly make sense when he meets Hazels rabbits.
he never wanted to live with them
The rabbits were based on the military unit that Richard Adams served with in WWII. (I suspect Fiver is his self-insert character.) Kehaar was based on their contact in the Norwegian Resistance.
you criticize their use of bright eyes while calling it the best part of the film? Some dissonance
in the UK Bright Eyes is/was quite well-known in its own right, so when I watched the movie my brain had invented a memory of it playing over a montage of them looking for him. they could have made better use of it but it was just a mistaken expectation I had.
There was a copy of this at my grandmother's when I was a kid. I guess some of the cousins watched it and it became kind of a family meme not to let anyone watch it. I still haven't seen it and even though I've watched the most fricked movies imaginable it still looms like a spectre in my mind.
it's not THAT bad. Maybe best to never watch it and leave the horror in your imagination
>Enjoying the film kids?
One of the best things about this cartoon is that, unlike the majority of kids cartoons, the characters aren't completely black and white in their morality. General Woundwort, for example, isn't pure evil. His actions are wrong, but he ultimately is only doing what he thinks is best for the greater good of his warren. He is an excellent character.
>Efrafa
>Watership Down traumatized kids
>Meanwhile Plague Dogs I experience dread from to this very day
WD at least had a happy ending.
Plague Dogs world is the utmost bleakness to the point of absurdity. The book is even harsher.
>The book is even harsher.
No. The book has an implausible happy ending forced by the publisher. The movie has the true original ending.
>implying
Here is the first edition, first print.
Adams openly admits that it's a daydream of what you wish to happen. That you have bullied his hand into writing a happy ending.
And in that it's a lie.
It's about true kingship. You have all the false kings and pretenders, it shows why Hazel is superior to each.
>chief rabbit -- oblivious
>Holly -- arrogant
>Bigwig -- emotional
>Cowslop -- intellectual nihilism
>Woundwort -- tyranny
Then you have the true kings Frith and Inle, and El ahraira, who Hazel wants to join. It's a very moral story.