>My camo is based on a German tourist I saw in London, a while back. No one really wants to interact with a German tourist. Parisians avoid them like the rest of the world avoids street mimes.
>how did he get away with killing tilda swinton?
How would he get caught? Most murders are done by people the victim actually knew and are sloppily done, leaving lots of evidence. A murder like that, even done in public would be hard to solve
Okay, and then what? Do you know how many people there are in the world? In a single city? Even if they have a perfect, HD picture of his face, they can show it off on the news and hope someone recognizes him, but that's really it. I'm sure you've heard plenty of stories about celebrities not being recognized on the street or even at conventions.
Hell. 50 or 60 years ago you could probably just drive cross country murdering people in broad daylight and never be caught unless a cop happened to be standing next to you while you did it.
I still don't know if the character was cringe and idiotic on purpose, or if it was supposed to be le badass killer played completely straight by an incompetent writer.
He explains why he spares the billionaire before he goes up. the more money someone has the more likely the cops will give a shit and do a good job in finding the killer.
>breaks into billionaires apartment >threatens him with a gun >informs him that you are the hitman he hired for another hit >trusts the billionaire to tell him the truth in these circumstances
The first chapter was amazing, truly encaptivating. Then it sort of became more typical revenge plot but it was very much enjoyable till the end.
Given it was adapted of French Comic, which probably was heavily inspired by Le Samourai, I already knew years ago that Fincher's one of favorite movies ever was Le Samourai, this movie was just straight up unironic love letter for that movie.
I thought the same thing. This movie would have been far better if it didn't have all the edgy redditor dialogue. If this movie had a better writer it would've been kino
Lol. Well this does put a lot more in context. The character loredumping what he believes is still pretty bad. Maybe the issue was more the structuring and timing of it. Idk. It was just bad
It got a lot better as it went on and is not a bad movie.
It kind of makes sense, it seems his plan was to kill the dude while he was showering and then torch his house to make it seem like an accident, a shot or poisoned dog in the lawn would be hard to explain in that scenario. Certainly would massively speed up the investigation and have the cops on edge faster than he would like.
well that did not work did it?
the real reason is market research showed people don't like dogs being harmed and that is why they had to go about it the way they did
Sure, but at least there was an attempt to give a reason for not killing the dog, at least initially. I can't explain his decision not to shoot the dog when it all went to shit and instead opting to do a loony tunes chase scene.
I enjoyed it. wasn't sure what to believe about the character by the end though. His decision to spare that billionaire guy and settle down with his girlfriend seem to indicate that he is getting fed up with this lifestyle and may have even subconsciously botched that first hit because he is tired of killing, this is supported by his line about being "one of many" at the end. But his eye twitch and the conversation with Tilda seems to contradict that. So is he tired of killing and wants to retire with his latina gf, or is he actually a serial killer in denial and will be back to doing hits in a few months?
Movie sucked. I was all strapped in for a fun assassin movie. Instead from the first scene it's clear the main character is an idiot and the point of the movie is to create a weird strawman and mock people who like assassin movies.
It had some cool scenes though, and Fassbender and Swinton are always kino.
There were several plain stupid things that broke the suspension of disbelief for me, I mean when you aim to make a "killer procedural" you don't do stupid ass shit like >wear a highly recognizable hat >wipe a sink clean then throw the cleaning agent that you handled without gloves in the nearest bin >just hang out at the hospital when you were shown jumping planes out of paranoia 5 minutes earlier >those shoeprints and piles of ciggie butts in the mud >not securize the garage door that leads to hyper luxurious condos.
There was more but I forgot...dunno what Fincher wanted to do with that film...
Autismo killer has been overdone and the "over the world" revenge chase too
Alright, put out an apb for >a recognizable hat >someone who just touched a bottle of cleaner >someone at a hospital >someone who wears shoes and smokes >someone who can walk into a garage door >someone who's recently drunk milk
the last one is a bit irrelevant because they tell you the reason he doesn't kill the billionaire is because they'd move heaven and earth to find the killer.
you clearly did miss my point though
The hat for instance, makes you stick out of a crowd, people take a good look at you.
Then the dude is supposed to be a master at disappearing and is shown shaving in a gas station to remove gunpowder and then cleaning the sink with some bleach and then toss the bleach container in the adjacent bin. If someone looks for traces on the sink there's a god chance he'll search the bin.
The footprints and butts were way too obvious, like perfectly formed sole prints.
et cætera
Not saying this would have been enough to get him caught but inconsistencies in the tone and character.
weird opinion about hats
why would someone look for "traces" of whatever in what is apparently a clean bathroom?
the idea of tracking people by footprints is entirely fictional.
the movie even says up front that no one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes, and he regularly makes mistakes. its a running theme. its just never anything big. except for maybe thinking a 50 year old black man could stay conscious for six minutes with three nails in his sternum.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Keep missing the point
5 months ago
Anonymous
no. you.
the idea he's a flawless killer is not in the movie. it entirely in your head.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm making a point, I cannot not get my own point.
you're focusing on him, I'm talking about the flick itself
5 months ago
Anonymous
you didn't understand the movie.
5 months ago
Anonymous
There wasn't much to get in the first place. >killer with sigma grindset fricks up
wew lad
>>wear a highly recognizable hat
The hat was never a problem and he could have discarded it for a cap or nothing at anytime. The hat helped against cameras, which tend to obscure part of his face and skull shape. The hat was more of a social camo, where he wore it not to get noticed, or to actively get ignored.
it literally is a cheap tourist shop bucket hat. it only looks "formal" on the poster because the poster is inkified.
5 months ago
Anonymous
anyway you don't "blend in the background " with that outfit, maybe it's on purpose to show he's dumb, maybe Fincher missed something.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's not supposed to make him blend into the background it's supposed to make him look like an insufferable tourist to deter people from talking to him and making them think he's annoying but harmless.
5 months ago
Anonymous
he does not look like a german tourist at all lmao
5 months ago
Anonymous
you do in touristy places
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's not supposed to make him blend into the background it's supposed to make him look like an insufferable tourist to deter people from talking to him and making them think he's annoying but harmless.
Holy frick, get a room already
Who gives a shit. It's literally such a small detail that hardly even matters
5 months ago
Anonymous
the smallest detail can kill anon, it did kill that dominatrix
5 months ago
Anonymous
Then consider the fact that his disguise philosophy would have gotten him to that point and he has been doing it for years. He didn't get caught because of his disguise. It wasn't something that was a liability to him >but in real life...
In real life he would be caught on cctvs lining the walls of the government building and the buildings in the surrounding area while he was leaving and entering it for 4 consecutive days and about 6 hours after the botched hit his face would've been on the bulletin board of every major airport. The issue isn't the disguise. It's a film. Of course he isn't going to look drab and like garbage. It isn't what's important.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Then consider the fact that his disguise philosophy would have gotten him to that point and he has been doing it for years
This is what took me out of the film anon
Actually I don't mind the first act but as soon as it gets to "flying across the world to hunt down comic book characters" I assumed Fincher had missed.
5 months ago
Anonymous
trips of truth
setup was somewhat interesting but immediately afterwards it starts fricking up and never recovers
5 months ago
Anonymous
>films have to be "realistic" to be good
Throwing away the whole because one small thing isn't to your liking is the mark of a plebian who can't appreciate art. You're not "smart" you're not "analytical" you're just moronic.
5 months ago
Anonymous
1/10 made me respond
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I didn't watch the movie because I got autistically obsessed about inane details
Your opinion doesn't matter then. Frick off lol
5 months ago
Anonymous
you get to a point in life where details are the only thing that matter anon.
You might get there unless you blow a valve with all that anger lol
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's called adolescence and I passed it ages ago
Anyone can obsess about small details like a homosexual. It doesn't make you special.
5 months ago
Anonymous
never claimed to be but you imagined I did and it made you angsty.
The big guy was supposed to be a super assassin too but he went into the room where he knew the guy picked the gun back up and he would instantly get shot.
Same with the woman. Would think she would have some sort of backup gun or atleast be more vigilant, maybe even have some sort of escape plan. Image instead of her just getting shot she got away and they had to be cat and mouse in the park. Would've been much more interesting
Its a movie about making mistakes. The idea being everyone makes mistakes and its how you recover from them that counts.
Even the "German tourist" outfit is a mistake since it draws attention.
"assassin fricks up, shenanigans ensue" is a huge trope, Fincher played that card half-assedly. First he makes mistakes, then he becomes a master planner (although he fricked up with the big guy).
Is arguing about semantics how you spend your day? If so you should consider suicide to ease your suffering because you have no value and bring nothing to the table. There would be no loss.
pointing out that words mean things is not semantic.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>uhm I'm not arguing about semantics, the semantics clearly shows it
Holy frick. Is this really all you do. You really should have a nice day it would be better for everyone lmao
I doubt you have had a meaningful discussion in years
5 months ago
Anonymous
>isn’t he supposed to be a super assassin? >no, he plainly tells you and demonstrably isn’t. >S-SEMANTICS! K-KYS URSELF!!
5 months ago
Anonymous
he recalls countless successful missions, it's John Wick tier.
Is arguing about semantics how you spend your day? If so you should consider suicide to ease your suffering because you have no value and bring nothing to the table. There would be no loss.
>1) the fact he has a gf and emotions
this made me so mad, no psychopath would give a frick. he would just frick another woman or not have a gf in the first place. he is a shizoid, so having a gf would be a BIG no no
Imo he had no reason to be caught like that. Only dog sounds some minutes prior could've given him away. Big guy seemed oblivious to everything. It was solely a plot point that there needed to be a fight scene.
Agreed, its about assassin who think he is better than he actually is as seen with several mistakes he made during killings, assassin movies are usually badass who only made 1 killing mistake during movie and comedy incompetent one.
>ugh, why is he doing things that would potentially get him caught if this was a super-detective movie >ugh, he messed up, why did he mess up he's supposed to be amazing because [reasons in my head] >ugh he did it again, he messed up, why isn't he inhumanly competent >ugh he's getting his ass kicked now oh god he sucks so much ugh why ugh >uuuuuuugggghhh he just spared some guy for reasons he explicitly stated before he entered the room uuuuugh that so bad ugh
Felt like such an obvious satire of secret agent films where they always have insane amounts of plot armor. This guy misses once and his entire life goes to shit. I loved it.
I kind of wanted to watch this, but Fassbender can't act for shit. He's very nearly Vince Vaughn tier.
It's like a coin toss, sometimes he's good, sometimes he's awful. Anytime he has to do "emotional breakdown" he's atrociously bad, comical tier.
>My camo is based on a German tourist I saw in London, a while back. No one really wants to interact with a German tourist. Parisians avoid them like the rest of the world avoids street mimes.
how did he get away with killing tilda swinton?
>how did he get away with killing tilda swinton?
How would he get caught? Most murders are done by people the victim actually knew and are sloppily done, leaving lots of evidence. A murder like that, even done in public would be hard to solve
surely there were cameras in the fancy restaurant and the waiters could describe him too
Okay, and then what? Do you know how many people there are in the world? In a single city? Even if they have a perfect, HD picture of his face, they can show it off on the news and hope someone recognizes him, but that's really it. I'm sure you've heard plenty of stories about celebrities not being recognized on the street or even at conventions.
Hell. 50 or 60 years ago you could probably just drive cross country murdering people in broad daylight and never be caught unless a cop happened to be standing next to you while you did it.
Better question is how he got away with killing the cab driver when the company owner already saw his face
what was your favourite product placement? for me it's amazon, who happen to be my favourite company. Get Amazon prime, today!
shamelessness
It was dogshit
When I heard Morrissey I was sold.
not bad but pretty fricking lackluster for Fincher. Just a background noise movie
no it wasn't jay
it sucked just like Mank.
I still don't know if the character was cringe and idiotic on purpose, or if it was supposed to be le badass killer played completely straight by an incompetent writer.
I refuse to watch a straight to TV movie. I don't care which member of RLM recommended it.
it was incredibly shit you piece of trash shill
kys
I like the Paris bits
>what if I spare le billionaire
He explains why he spares the billionaire before he goes up. the more money someone has the more likely the cops will give a shit and do a good job in finding the killer.
he'd also killed everyone actually responsible for the attack. the lawyer basically hard sold the billionaire on it for more money.
>breaks into billionaires apartment
>threatens him with a gun
>informs him that you are the hitman he hired for another hit
>trusts the billionaire to tell him the truth in these circumstances
>establish character is very good judge of character
>get upset when he judges a character
The first chapter was amazing, truly encaptivating. Then it sort of became more typical revenge plot but it was very much enjoyable till the end.
Given it was adapted of French Comic, which probably was heavily inspired by Le Samourai, I already knew years ago that Fincher's one of favorite movies ever was Le Samourai, this movie was just straight up unironic love letter for that movie.
He makes fun of the the other Le Samourai clones, as well as of "sigma" culture
Is he really a funny man?
I thought the same thing. This movie would have been far better if it didn't have all the edgy redditor dialogue. If this movie had a better writer it would've been kino
One of main reasons for Fincher to do the movie was the dialogue lmao
Lol. Well this does put a lot more in context. The character loredumping what he believes is still pretty bad. Maybe the issue was more the structuring and timing of it. Idk. It was just bad
It got a lot better as it went on and is not a bad movie.
it was mid and anoyne claiming its ironically bad is a pseud.
>all that shitty greenscreen
Fincher lost it
>kill innocent people left and right
>wont kill a shitbull
Animals’ and billionaires’ lives are unironically more valuable than normies’
what innocent people?
hooker
cab driver
It kind of makes sense, it seems his plan was to kill the dude while he was showering and then torch his house to make it seem like an accident, a shot or poisoned dog in the lawn would be hard to explain in that scenario. Certainly would massively speed up the investigation and have the cops on edge faster than he would like.
well that did not work did it?
the real reason is market research showed people don't like dogs being harmed and that is why they had to go about it the way they did
Sure, but at least there was an attempt to give a reason for not killing the dog, at least initially. I can't explain his decision not to shoot the dog when it all went to shit and instead opting to do a loony tunes chase scene.
>>wont kill a shitbull
There is no way the pitbull wasn’t burned to a crisp
nah it was far away from the house
>nah it was far away from the house
The lawn was 10 seconds away from catching on fire
It was not necessary...
>what if we mixed Le Samourai and John Wick?
I enjoyed it. wasn't sure what to believe about the character by the end though. His decision to spare that billionaire guy and settle down with his girlfriend seem to indicate that he is getting fed up with this lifestyle and may have even subconsciously botched that first hit because he is tired of killing, this is supported by his line about being "one of many" at the end. But his eye twitch and the conversation with Tilda seems to contradict that. So is he tired of killing and wants to retire with his latina gf, or is he actually a serial killer in denial and will be back to doing hits in a few months?
Movie sucked. I was all strapped in for a fun assassin movie. Instead from the first scene it's clear the main character is an idiot and the point of the movie is to create a weird strawman and mock people who like assassin movies.
It had some cool scenes though, and Fassbender and Swinton are always kino.
There were several plain stupid things that broke the suspension of disbelief for me, I mean when you aim to make a "killer procedural" you don't do stupid ass shit like
>wear a highly recognizable hat
>wipe a sink clean then throw the cleaning agent that you handled without gloves in the nearest bin
>just hang out at the hospital when you were shown jumping planes out of paranoia 5 minutes earlier
>those shoeprints and piles of ciggie butts in the mud
>not securize the garage door that leads to hyper luxurious condos.
>>not securize the garage door that leads to hyper luxurious condos.
that was the biggest one
There was more but I forgot...dunno what Fincher wanted to do with that film...
Autismo killer has been overdone and the "over the world" revenge chase too
Alright, put out an apb for
>a recognizable hat
>someone who just touched a bottle of cleaner
>someone at a hospital
>someone who wears shoes and smokes
>someone who can walk into a garage door
>someone who's recently drunk milk
the last one is a bit irrelevant because they tell you the reason he doesn't kill the billionaire is because they'd move heaven and earth to find the killer.
you missed the point
no, you.
you clearly did miss my point though
The hat for instance, makes you stick out of a crowd, people take a good look at you.
Then the dude is supposed to be a master at disappearing and is shown shaving in a gas station to remove gunpowder and then cleaning the sink with some bleach and then toss the bleach container in the adjacent bin. If someone looks for traces on the sink there's a god chance he'll search the bin.
The footprints and butts were way too obvious, like perfectly formed sole prints.
et cætera
Not saying this would have been enough to get him caught but inconsistencies in the tone and character.
weird opinion about hats
why would someone look for "traces" of whatever in what is apparently a clean bathroom?
the idea of tracking people by footprints is entirely fictional.
the movie even says up front that no one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes, and he regularly makes mistakes. its a running theme. its just never anything big. except for maybe thinking a 50 year old black man could stay conscious for six minutes with three nails in his sternum.
Keep missing the point
no. you.
the idea he's a flawless killer is not in the movie. it entirely in your head.
I'm making a point, I cannot not get my own point.
you're focusing on him, I'm talking about the flick itself
you didn't understand the movie.
There wasn't much to get in the first place.
>killer with sigma grindset fricks up
wew lad
You could've just said yes.
>>wear a highly recognizable hat
The hat was never a problem and he could have discarded it for a cap or nothing at anytime. The hat helped against cameras, which tend to obscure part of his face and skull shape. The hat was more of a social camo, where he wore it not to get noticed, or to actively get ignored.
Your logic is ass.
Hats are seldom worn now, anybody wearing a hat tends to be more scrutinized, especially a formal hat.
>a formal hat.
>formal
>hat
anon its a cheap "tourist" hat.
It's not your cheap tourist shop bucket hat either.
it literally is a cheap tourist shop bucket hat. it only looks "formal" on the poster because the poster is inkified.
anyway you don't "blend in the background " with that outfit, maybe it's on purpose to show he's dumb, maybe Fincher missed something.
It's not supposed to make him blend into the background it's supposed to make him look like an insufferable tourist to deter people from talking to him and making them think he's annoying but harmless.
he does not look like a german tourist at all lmao
you do in touristy places
Holy frick, get a room already
Who gives a shit. It's literally such a small detail that hardly even matters
the smallest detail can kill anon, it did kill that dominatrix
Then consider the fact that his disguise philosophy would have gotten him to that point and he has been doing it for years. He didn't get caught because of his disguise. It wasn't something that was a liability to him
>but in real life...
In real life he would be caught on cctvs lining the walls of the government building and the buildings in the surrounding area while he was leaving and entering it for 4 consecutive days and about 6 hours after the botched hit his face would've been on the bulletin board of every major airport. The issue isn't the disguise. It's a film. Of course he isn't going to look drab and like garbage. It isn't what's important.
>Then consider the fact that his disguise philosophy would have gotten him to that point and he has been doing it for years
This is what took me out of the film anon
Actually I don't mind the first act but as soon as it gets to "flying across the world to hunt down comic book characters" I assumed Fincher had missed.
trips of truth
setup was somewhat interesting but immediately afterwards it starts fricking up and never recovers
>films have to be "realistic" to be good
Throwing away the whole because one small thing isn't to your liking is the mark of a plebian who can't appreciate art. You're not "smart" you're not "analytical" you're just moronic.
1/10 made me respond
>I didn't watch the movie because I got autistically obsessed about inane details
Your opinion doesn't matter then. Frick off lol
you get to a point in life where details are the only thing that matter anon.
You might get there unless you blow a valve with all that anger lol
It's called adolescence and I passed it ages ago
Anyone can obsess about small details like a homosexual. It doesn't make you special.
never claimed to be but you imagined I did and it made you angsty.
But it wasn't a formal hat, was it? Suck it up that the movie knows its shit and that you're a smoothbrain
i thought him really being an asshat while doing the whole hyper competent, ice cold assassin spiel was on purpose
bingo, that's why it's good
I liked how they kept calling him a freakishly huge brute and you expect to have a clever, brief gun fight, but it turns into a total shitshow brawl
honest i didn't watch past the opening because it seemed really played out but Cinemaphile being so divided makes me want to give it another try lol
But Fincher doesn't have any sense of humor, I like your interpretation though
>guy is a 99% methodical operator chad, don't even get close to get arrested
>has a Mexican gf
Lmao not even the silent killer can't escape latinas
That latina pussy is the true killer
well the reason he did not get cought was living in a shit hole country.
and all there is in placed like that is latina pussy
The fact that people can't decide if its a comedy or not is hilarious. it's not
it was oki
felt like an episode of dexter
>The Knller
What did Fincher mean by this?
It’s supposed to be a stick man who is lying down dead due to the gunshot
Not braille
fassbender is kino
>racing
>filming
>racing
I agree
The fight scene with the big dude was kino
The big guy was supposed to be a super assassin too but he went into the room where he knew the guy picked the gun back up and he would instantly get shot.
Same with the woman. Would think she would have some sort of backup gun or atleast be more vigilant, maybe even have some sort of escape plan. Image instead of her just getting shot she got away and they had to be cat and mouse in the park. Would've been much more interesting
Was a disappointing part of the movie
Its a movie about making mistakes. The idea being everyone makes mistakes and its how you recover from them that counts.
Even the "German tourist" outfit is a mistake since it draws attention.
"assassin fricks up, shenanigans ensue" is a huge trope, Fincher played that card half-assedly. First he makes mistakes, then he becomes a master planner (although he fricked up with the big guy).
no one in the movie was supposed to be "a super assassin."
In a manner of speaking moron
In no manner of speaking was anyone in the movie "a super assassin."
Fassbender is supposed to be one
he literally tells you up front he isn't.
pointing out that words mean things is not semantic.
>uhm I'm not arguing about semantics, the semantics clearly shows it
Holy frick. Is this really all you do. You really should have a nice day it would be better for everyone lmao
I doubt you have had a meaningful discussion in years
>isn’t he supposed to be a super assassin?
>no, he plainly tells you and demonstrably isn’t.
>S-SEMANTICS! K-KYS URSELF!!
he recalls countless successful missions, it's John Wick tier.
And the point is it’s easy because cops are lazy.
Is arguing about semantics how you spend your day? If so you should consider suicide to ease your suffering because you have no value and bring nothing to the table. There would be no loss.
two things were out of place:
1) the fact he has a gf and emotions
2) the stupid fight with the much stronger guy
>1) the fact he has a gf and emotions
this made me so mad, no psychopath would give a frick. he would just frick another woman or not have a gf in the first place. he is a shizoid, so having a gf would be a BIG no no
the whole interaction with the brother was weird af
>2) the stupid fight with the much stronger guy
Imo he had no reason to be caught like that. Only dog sounds some minutes prior could've given him away. Big guy seemed oblivious to everything. It was solely a plot point that there needed to be a fight scene.
>be hired thug
>botch job
>oh well nothing gonna happen might as well chill and get drunk and high
Agreed, its about assassin who think he is better than he actually is as seen with several mistakes he made during killings, assassin movies are usually badass who only made 1 killing mistake during movie and comedy incompetent one.
It wasn’t. It was meh.
not even the best movie called the killer
soundtrack was kino too
Better alternative
>ugh, why is he doing things that would potentially get him caught if this was a super-detective movie
>ugh, he messed up, why did he mess up he's supposed to be amazing because [reasons in my head]
>ugh he did it again, he messed up, why isn't he inhumanly competent
>ugh he's getting his ass kicked now oh god he sucks so much ugh why ugh
>uuuuuuugggghhh he just spared some guy for reasons he explicitly stated before he entered the room uuuuugh that so bad ugh
Felt like such an obvious satire of secret agent films where they always have insane amounts of plot armor. This guy misses once and his entire life goes to shit. I loved it.
It was mid and pseuds can't pretend otherwise.
the good parts of the movie are the set up scenes before the kills, going to his storage unit etc
the fight was OK but too dark