Why does male feminists like Grant Morrison and Neil Gaiman have some sort of fetisch for extrovert female characters when they themselves are introvert
Shouldn't they as feminists write male characters the same way they write female characters?
Why do they worship extrovert female characters, but not male extrovert characters?
Same reason all jap anime and soap operas are about some shy nerd and a bunch of overly horny women who want him. It's the fantasy, if yiure an introvert, it's boring to write an introvert
demasculated men
Anti white
Race swapping white characters to blacks
Needless gay characters
Every good character seemingly has the same political belief
doesnt matter what source material they took it from
that only thing that matters is that theyre doing it wrong - it screams desperation by putting a poc in the foreground that superman has to save - even though its in the source material, a lot of people are going to reject it and see it as "woke"
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also, ive been saying this and ill say it again - the KEY to a good superman film is build up
people YEARN to see superman, but they dont actually want to see him
people WANT to cry tears of joy when they see superman. not think "oh, who's he fighting this time around? oh that guy?! cool, i guess..."
I never got this lefty tactic of "what does woke mean". Is feigning ignorance supposed to prove something, even when you get several definitions of what woke is every time you ask this stupid question? I just don't get the point really.
The point of asking is to point out how vague a term it is. It can mean anything you want.
Is being against antisemitism woke? Howabout gun control? Howabout universal healthcare?
It's like the word "fundamentals" in sports. you can just throw that word into any sentence about sports and it will work because the word barely means anything.
It's the exact same issue as 'social justice': a meaningless term that allows everyone to read their own pet politics into it and become so emotionally invested that it becomes part of their identity
No one has ever been able to get a hard definition of social justice from its adherents but everyone agrees its a laudable goal
For some reason everyone gets assmad when yoy point out that Hitler had the same perspective, tho
It's the exact same issue as 'social justice': a meaningless term that allows everyone to read their own pet politics into it and become so emotionally invested that it becomes part of their identity
No one has ever been able to get a hard definition of social justice from its adherents but everyone agrees its a laudable goal
For some reason everyone gets assmad when yoy point out that Hitler had the same perspective, tho
>when you get several definitions of what woke is
This is the point, gay. The fact that you never get the same answer twice when you ask this proves that the word is just being used by politicians and the right as an avenue to try and cancel things they don't like. It's a way that they can give themselves a vague and undefinable "moral" high-ground without having to specifically say that they're racist or sexist or what have you.
>ask a question >get the same answer but phrased differently >'YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS THEN'
It means political messaging from the sort of "leftists" you see in coastal cities, major universities, and twitter. You can't define the 'ideology' because it isn't one, just a set of astroturfed political perspectives to make a not-anticapitalist leftism.
Once again, you're feigning ignorance. Just because some sperg cries 'woke' whenever a black person exists doesn't mean you can't recognize it's a colloquial term with meaning. I don't even like using it and I can see it's so plainly obvious.
It is an ideology but most people don't think about the bullshit these nutters spew out to put it together: they want to reform society through property redistribution in order to achieve a completely level playing field for all players. It's the same scheme that was tried and failed along class lines in numerous 2nd and 3rd world countries, along racial lines in numerous 1st and 3rd world countries, and along gender lines in all countries. They believe that the universal failures of their ideology are due to previous iterations not targeting enough identity groups, so they keep expanding the list and forcing everyone to go along at gunpoint.
tl;dr they're fricking Commies but gay
It's a vague term that everyone knows the meaning of. It's like calling something "cool". It can mean many different things but everyone gets what it means when you say it. You know what woke means, quit acting like you don't troony
The left builds its identity on being educated and virtuous and see their opposition as ignorant and morally bankrupt. So they will often just make arguments that are basically pop quizzes to test your knowledge because if you fail it prove their opinion about you and by extension their own opinion about themselves.
Meanwhile they know nothing about guns, healthcare, geopolitics, industry, economics, or [insert topic here] yet insist their 'common sense' solution is legitimate and effective
>when you get several definitions of what woke is
This is the point, gay. The fact that you never get the same answer twice when you ask this proves that the word is just being used by politicians and the right as an avenue to try and cancel things they don't like. It's a way that they can give themselves a vague and undefinable "moral" high-ground without having to specifically say that they're racist or sexist or what have you.
You know how back in 2010 every blue haired land whale would just use the term "problematic" to suggest that anything she didn't like was somehow either sexist, racist, or just plain bad? Literally ANYTHING she didn't like she would just call "problematic" and never elaborate. Pretty, thin women in movies? Problematic. Men being portrayed as competent and strong? Problematic. Cheeseburgers for $5? Problematic.
Well that's what you c**ts sound like when you use the term "woke." If you don't know what the frick it means then why are you using it? It's just being used to mean whatever the frick you don't like at any given moment. Define it and then you can use it. Even better, define it and then the next time some blue hair landwhale gives you shit about it you can shut her up.
I'm not sure you even know what the word woke means. When the left makes everything a social-political talking point how can we not call it all woke? All they do is preach what they think is being enlightened about this and that. But it's all bullshit.
If you were able to understand context, which you can't because you're a black female i suspect, you'd discern that 'woke' refers to anything pro-Left and anti-American, which is another way of saying anything and everything that degrades the idea and dignity of America.
American history? Filled with slave owners and needs to be reformed
American government? Run by white men and needs to be overrun by minorities because we all know that blacks are racially superior to whitey as evidenced by their across the board inferiority
US Constitution? Written by slave owners and therefore illegitimate and Imin need of shredding
Asking any adherents if they hate America, they'll always say "I love America bu" and then cite some fundamental aspect they'd change that would completely destroy it. Imagine marrying a woman with giant breasts and saying "I really love her, but I'd get rid of her breasts and pussy if I could" and then chimping out on anyone that calls you a psycho
>Thephrase"I know it when I see it" is acolloquialexpressionby which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was used in 1964 byUnited States Supreme CourtJusticePotter Stewartto describe his threshold test forobscenityinJacobellis v. Ohio.[1][2]In explaining why the material at issue in the case was notobsceneunder theRoth test, and therefore wasprotected speechthat could not be censored, Stewart wrote:
>I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. ButI know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.[3]
>The expression became one of the best-known phrases in the history of the Supreme Court.[4]Though "I know it when I see it" is widely cited as Stewart's test for "obscenity", he did not use the word "obscenity" himself in his short concurrence, but stated that he knew what fitted the "shorthand description" of "hard-core pornography" when he saw it.[5]
>Stewart's "I know it when I see it" standard was praised as "realistic and gallant"[6]and an example of candor.[7]
I know something's 'woke' when I see it's pushing the 'woke' agenda
>highly visible lawyer engages in vigilante justice: kidnapping, assault, torture, destruction of state property, and more
Remind me why these people were against Southern lynch mobs and Klan justice?
Who the frick is the moron who wrote this? She-Hulk broke dozens of laws and probably out the driver in the hospital. This page deserved all the mocking it got
Battinson had one super cringe woke line that was clearly kept in just to satisfy Hollyjews. Everything else about it was straightforward Batman stuff except the third act which was Die Hard
You people don't realize that you are minority. Maverick didn't make bank because it was hooya-America-frick-yeah.
Your demo isn't a market worth catering to, you are to small and poor to be worth it.
My market are people who actually have jobs with money to spend. We're just not gonna spend it on woke shit. It's why the superhero genre is dying. Nobody wants a black Iron Man or Little Mermaid or Batgirl or whatever. Who exactly should they cater to? Women who will say Supeman is a toxic masculine white man with a savior complex? Frick off.
The problem with that is Superman doesn't have much in the way of interesting side characters. Lois being the center will just make it a Hallmark movie where the working strong woman has her heart softened. Lex you just know they would make him Trump. Maybe if they made Jimmy Olsen less of a buffoon and make him an investigative reporter who discovers Superman with the audience it could work.
Lois Lane working her way through an oddball cast of victims and villians to find out who this Superman freak is would be fantastic. The hallmark of good writing is making plain situations and characters compelling
I can't wait for the scene where some group of white straight guys are playing the knockout game while talking about how the holocaust isn't real and the KANG Black Superman appears and puts them all in their place before turning to the camera to talk about how we need to address the growing anti-semitism in the country.
Ideally, it would be patriotic. Superman would represent masculinity in a positive light. The movie shouldn't stop so we can have a "oh, that character is gay" moment, like in the last of us. Don't include a line of dialogue that takes a jab a white people like The Batman did either. In fact leave any sort of modern day politics out. And please no awful marvel tier quips.
False dilemma
If sjw pandering is the only alternative to that, then just scrap the project all together
I don't recall Christopher Revee fighting white supremacists
I'd be interested in a Superman movie in the vein of Top Gun Maverick: wholesome, old fashioned, white male hero saving the day.
But knowing James Gunn what we are going to get is:
It's inevitable that the villian will be a chud/incel/jordan peterson type nazi guy. The plot will be about how whites are bad and shouldn't exist.
type trash, call it "woke" or whatever you want but I simply find it annoying and lame and not interesting and it's all someone like Gunn is capable of.
Just by virtue of a movie actually getting made today, I know it'll be woke. Has nothing to do with gunn or superman. If mel Gibson got greenlit to make "Hitler was right" in 8k IMAX, I'd immediately know it was going to be subversive wokeslop
The dude who put out woke ass Peacemaker and ruined Cena's career is now about to give Superman the same treatment. I fear for the actors they cast as Clark and his gay son.
Is this the one where he saves that suicidal dyke?
She wasn't a Duke, she was just some goth
Why does male feminists like Grant Morrison and Neil Gaiman have some sort of fetisch for extrovert female characters when they themselves are introvert
Shouldn't they as feminists write male characters the same way they write female characters?
Why do they worship extrovert female characters, but not male extrovert characters?
Same reason all jap anime and soap operas are about some shy nerd and a bunch of overly horny women who want him. It's the fantasy, if yiure an introvert, it's boring to write an introvert
>No more DBZ fight scenes.
Gay.
dead on arrival
when that happens, itll be MY turn to run the show
Translation:
It will contain at least one thing I don’t like and therefore be complete shit.
It'll be Gayperman
>not supergay
Define the term "woke"
demasculated men
Anti white
Race swapping white characters to blacks
Needless gay characters
Every good character seemingly has the same political belief
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Lois will be asian like her TASverse version
Jimmy Olsen will be black
That's not a definition that's just a list of things you think are woke
gunn adapted a story about superman saving a black girl
i personally dont have a problem with that, i just want the story to be good
but you can guess who WILL have a problem with that
and its gunna be a problem so big, itll ruin the ip for years
>gunn adapted a story about superman saving a black girl
He just took that from the animated series.
That was before Obama destroyed race relations.
doesnt matter what source material they took it from
that only thing that matters is that theyre doing it wrong - it screams desperation by putting a poc in the foreground that superman has to save - even though its in the source material, a lot of people are going to reject it and see it as "woke"
--
also, ive been saying this and ill say it again - the KEY to a good superman film is build up
people YEARN to see superman, but they dont actually want to see him
people WANT to cry tears of joy when they see superman. not think "oh, who's he fighting this time around? oh that guy?! cool, i guess..."
I hope that little girl finds out Super”man” was raped by a fat Russian. That shit would never happen to Batman.
I never got this lefty tactic of "what does woke mean". Is feigning ignorance supposed to prove something, even when you get several definitions of what woke is every time you ask this stupid question? I just don't get the point really.
The point of asking is to point out how vague a term it is. It can mean anything you want.
Is being against antisemitism woke? Howabout gun control? Howabout universal healthcare?
It's like the word "fundamentals" in sports. you can just throw that word into any sentence about sports and it will work because the word barely means anything.
It's the exact same issue as 'social justice': a meaningless term that allows everyone to read their own pet politics into it and become so emotionally invested that it becomes part of their identity
No one has ever been able to get a hard definition of social justice from its adherents but everyone agrees its a laudable goal
For some reason everyone gets assmad when yoy point out that Hitler had the same perspective, tho
>It can mean anything you want.
or everything related with woke shit like diversity, lgbt, trans, blm bullshit?
>several definitions
entirely the point
you don't know what woke means
See
>ask a question
>get the same answer but phrased differently
>'YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS THEN'
It means political messaging from the sort of "leftists" you see in coastal cities, major universities, and twitter. You can't define the 'ideology' because it isn't one, just a set of astroturfed political perspectives to make a not-anticapitalist leftism.
Once again, you're feigning ignorance. Just because some sperg cries 'woke' whenever a black person exists doesn't mean you can't recognize it's a colloquial term with meaning. I don't even like using it and I can see it's so plainly obvious.
It is an ideology but most people don't think about the bullshit these nutters spew out to put it together: they want to reform society through property redistribution in order to achieve a completely level playing field for all players. It's the same scheme that was tried and failed along class lines in numerous 2nd and 3rd world countries, along racial lines in numerous 1st and 3rd world countries, and along gender lines in all countries. They believe that the universal failures of their ideology are due to previous iterations not targeting enough identity groups, so they keep expanding the list and forcing everyone to go along at gunpoint.
tl;dr they're fricking Commies but gay
Beyond ironic
It's a vague term that everyone knows the meaning of. It's like calling something "cool". It can mean many different things but everyone gets what it means when you say it. You know what woke means, quit acting like you don't troony
The left builds its identity on being educated and virtuous and see their opposition as ignorant and morally bankrupt. So they will often just make arguments that are basically pop quizzes to test your knowledge because if you fail it prove their opinion about you and by extension their own opinion about themselves.
Meanwhile they know nothing about guns, healthcare, geopolitics, industry, economics, or [insert topic here] yet insist their 'common sense' solution is legitimate and effective
>when you get several definitions of what woke is
This is the point, gay. The fact that you never get the same answer twice when you ask this proves that the word is just being used by politicians and the right as an avenue to try and cancel things they don't like. It's a way that they can give themselves a vague and undefinable "moral" high-ground without having to specifically say that they're racist or sexist or what have you.
You get different definitions from woketards you absolute homosexual.
You know how back in 2010 every blue haired land whale would just use the term "problematic" to suggest that anything she didn't like was somehow either sexist, racist, or just plain bad? Literally ANYTHING she didn't like she would just call "problematic" and never elaborate. Pretty, thin women in movies? Problematic. Men being portrayed as competent and strong? Problematic. Cheeseburgers for $5? Problematic.
Well that's what you c**ts sound like when you use the term "woke." If you don't know what the frick it means then why are you using it? It's just being used to mean whatever the frick you don't like at any given moment. Define it and then you can use it. Even better, define it and then the next time some blue hair landwhale gives you shit about it you can shut her up.
I'm not sure you even know what the word woke means. When the left makes everything a social-political talking point how can we not call it all woke? All they do is preach what they think is being enlightened about this and that. But it's all bullshit.
If you were able to understand context, which you can't because you're a black female i suspect, you'd discern that 'woke' refers to anything pro-Left and anti-American, which is another way of saying anything and everything that degrades the idea and dignity of America.
American history? Filled with slave owners and needs to be reformed
American government? Run by white men and needs to be overrun by minorities because we all know that blacks are racially superior to whitey as evidenced by their across the board inferiority
US Constitution? Written by slave owners and therefore illegitimate and Imin need of shredding
Asking any adherents if they hate America, they'll always say "I love America bu" and then cite some fundamental aspect they'd change that would completely destroy it. Imagine marrying a woman with giant breasts and saying "I really love her, but I'd get rid of her breasts and pussy if I could" and then chimping out on anyone that calls you a psycho
This is how braindead Cinemaphile makes you.
>no rebuttal
This anon in 5 me minutes:
>LMAO ROFL WhAt Is A wOMAN?
The question is a reflection of your own true intent.
>Thephrase"I know it when I see it" is acolloquialexpressionby which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was used in 1964 byUnited States Supreme CourtJusticePotter Stewartto describe his threshold test forobscenityinJacobellis v. Ohio.[1][2]In explaining why the material at issue in the case was notobsceneunder theRoth test, and therefore wasprotected speechthat could not be censored, Stewart wrote:
>I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. ButI know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.[3]
>The expression became one of the best-known phrases in the history of the Supreme Court.[4]Though "I know it when I see it" is widely cited as Stewart's test for "obscenity", he did not use the word "obscenity" himself in his short concurrence, but stated that he knew what fitted the "shorthand description" of "hard-core pornography" when he saw it.[5]
>Stewart's "I know it when I see it" standard was praised as "realistic and gallant"[6]and an example of candor.[7]
I know something's 'woke' when I see it's pushing the 'woke' agenda
Narcisstic psychopaths committing crime in the name of the Greater Good of social justice along racial, gender, and class lines
To the average chud:
>The mere existence of any character that is not a straight white able bodied cis male
>To the average chud:
>>The mere existence of any character that is not a straight white able bodied cis male
>You don't understand, I need to have these images of fat ugly men pretending to be women on my computer in order to win arguments online
its Saturday night and we're all posting on Cinemaphile, why cant you just be nice?
It's sunday morning and I can't sleep. Every one of you can burn for all I care.
who are you gonna talk to here if we're all dead?
>highly visible lawyer engages in vigilante justice: kidnapping, assault, torture, destruction of state property, and more
Remind me why these people were against Southern lynch mobs and Klan justice?
Who the frick is the moron who wrote this? She-Hulk broke dozens of laws and probably out the driver in the hospital. This page deserved all the mocking it got
Yes. Republicans should assume all movies are made for liberals and not them. Know your place, untouchables.
You mean it will be woke like Matt Reeves' The Batman? The same movie Cinemaphile used to shill months ago? So what's the problem?
Battinson had one super cringe woke line that was clearly kept in just to satisfy Hollyjews. Everything else about it was straightforward Batman stuff except the third act which was Die Hard
Superman needs the Top Gun Maverick treatment. Make a Murica Superman and it'll make a billion easy.
You people don't realize that you are minority. Maverick didn't make bank because it was hooya-America-frick-yeah.
Your demo isn't a market worth catering to, you are to small and poor to be worth it.
My market are people who actually have jobs with money to spend. We're just not gonna spend it on woke shit. It's why the superhero genre is dying. Nobody wants a black Iron Man or Little Mermaid or Batgirl or whatever. Who exactly should they cater to? Women who will say Supeman is a toxic masculine white man with a savior complex? Frick off.
>Maverick didn't make bank because it was hooya-America-frick-yeah
What did it make money for then, moron?
Being a good movie.
Superman needs a movie where he's not the main character, so that he can be understood by HIS audience and not the movie's
The problem with that is Superman doesn't have much in the way of interesting side characters. Lois being the center will just make it a Hallmark movie where the working strong woman has her heart softened. Lex you just know they would make him Trump. Maybe if they made Jimmy Olsen less of a buffoon and make him an investigative reporter who discovers Superman with the audience it could work.
Lois Lane working her way through an oddball cast of victims and villians to find out who this Superman freak is would be fantastic. The hallmark of good writing is making plain situations and characters compelling
Hollywood doesn't have good writers
I know
in terms of genre film-making I think Christopher McQuarrie is pretty good.
Black did you forget Batman V Superman?
>Appropriation of y'all
>Minority child teaches Superman how to use his powers.
>Black Lois
you just know theyll have the gay son from modern comics with the mind controlling gay asian alien with pink hair boyfriend.
Lex almost saved us.
OTISBURG?!
I can't wait for the scene where some group of white straight guys are playing the knockout game while talking about how the holocaust isn't real and the KANG Black Superman appears and puts them all in their place before turning to the camera to talk about how we need to address the growing anti-semitism in the country.
The black superman movie is the JJ Abrams one
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Although admittedly ~~*James Gunn*~~ is also part of the ~~*tribe*~~.
Ideally, it would be patriotic. Superman would represent masculinity in a positive light. The movie shouldn't stop so we can have a "oh, that character is gay" moment, like in the last of us. Don't include a line of dialogue that takes a jab a white people like The Batman did either. In fact leave any sort of modern day politics out. And please no awful marvel tier quips.
Didn't the woke Superman comic flop hard?
Yes and no, at one point it was DC' s only top 50 title without Batman
why does Superman look like he just smoked a fat joint?
superman is immortal, and because of that, the calmness and reassurance that everything will be okay should be reflected in his voice and mannerisms
he should even sound "patronizing" in a sick and twisted way...
whenever superman says "everything will be alright." well, of COURSE everything on HIS end will be alright. he cant die!!!
all star superman is about superman coming to terms with his imminent death
he is reborn at the end
actually, its more like that scientist guy will eventually find a way to bring him back
yeah but that's more of a faith thing
the important thing is superman thinks he's dying
It will be intersectional feminist bullshit and woke as frick.
It's inevitable that the villian will be a chud/incel/jordan peterson type nazi guy. The plot will be about how whites are bad and shouldn't exist.
it's a fricking disgrace, superman is supposed to be the plane that hit the world trade center.
False dilemma
If sjw pandering is the only alternative to that, then just scrap the project all together
I don't recall Christopher Revee fighting white supremacists
The red on on his suit will be replaced by brown and he will wear long baggy shorts over cargo pants instead of briefs over tights
Grant Morrison sucks
The entirety of Peacemaker was le white mercenary meets fat black lesbian and learns to be politically correct. Yes it will be woke
I'd be interested in a Superman movie in the vein of Top Gun Maverick: wholesome, old fashioned, white male hero saving the day.
But knowing James Gunn what we are going to get is:
type trash, call it "woke" or whatever you want but I simply find it annoying and lame and not interesting and it's all someone like Gunn is capable of.
if it is ‘woke’ by a marginal amount the DCU will fail…
Why you posting my waifu, bruh?
Just by virtue of a movie actually getting made today, I know it'll be woke. Has nothing to do with gunn or superman. If mel Gibson got greenlit to make "Hitler was right" in 8k IMAX, I'd immediately know it was going to be subversive wokeslop
The dude who put out woke ass Peacemaker and ruined Cena's career is now about to give Superman the same treatment. I fear for the actors they cast as Clark and his gay son.