Oh sue me I guess I should have known you were talking about the 2017 movie out of the dozens of other Star Wars things you could have been talking about.
>the third being what REALLY happened
This never happens in Rashomon
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That’s not how I remember it
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The point of Rashomon is that NONE of the storytellers are believable. They all have some reason to lie or otherwise have a biased memory. The takeaway at the end is you the viewer don't know which if any of the stories was the real one.
kurosawa was a massive influence on star wars to the point that george lucas was asking if he had to put hidden fortress in the credits due to how similar the plots are (intentionally so)
the initial casting for obi-wan was even intended to be toshiru mifune, who turned it down
>cartoons
I think it's just in general. Star Trek the Next Generation did a Rashomon-ish episode, although it played it as a whodunit where most mysteries were resolved.
It's a fun way to make an episode and explore different characters by showing a story through their individual perspectives. The one from EEnE with the Eds stuck in a wall was fricking great in particular, that one obsessed fetish weirdo notwithstanding.
It turns out everyone was lying on purpose
Someone then uses basic detective work, and cross referencing each persons story to see consistencies between them, to get video evidence, DNA evidence, photographs, eyewitnesses, etc. To reconstruct the physical space the event took place
Everyone goes to jail
We end on a moral about how forensics is good, and how no amount of lying or faulty memory can defeat deductive reasoning
Then double subvert it when talking about things that happened hundreds of years ago and we only have their word to go on and we are right back to where rashomon started
It turns out everyone was lying on purpose
Someone then uses basic detective work, and cross referencing each persons story to see consistencies between them, to get video evidence, DNA evidence, photographs, eyewitnesses, etc. To reconstruct the physical space the event took place
Everyone goes to jail
We end on a moral about how forensics is good, and how no amount of lying or faulty memory can defeat deductive reasoning
Then double subvert it when talking about things that happened hundreds of years ago and we only have their word to go on and we are right back to where rashomon started
>It turns out everyone was lying on purpose
That's already the original movie though
the subversion is more common than the original because most people want closure in their plot
ATLA is one of the only ones to play rashomon-style totally straight, aang was also lying everyone just goes along with it because its for the greater good, and its one of the most hated episodes
kurosawa wanted to explore the themes of subjective reality
everyone else subverts it by showing an objective truth that makes all their contradictory stories make sense
>or it does repeating identical flashbacks?
This one. Set it up that the audience thinks it'll be a Rashomon, then have all their retellings identical as an overly long gag.
Not a cartoon, but the Dick Van Dyke Show had a funny episode like that. It begins with Rob and Laura angry at each other, and then it shows the two goldfish talking to each other and explaining what happened objectively. After seeing what really happened, you see Rob and Laura talk about the fight to their friends, with absurdly exaggerated retellings in which they are depicted as perfect angels while the other is a cruel monster
I would say that any Rashomon-style plot where you find out what really happened is a subversion of the original, since the point of the original was that all the stories were unreliable and you never learn the truth.
Yeah. It's less about the rashomon homage and more about the usual legal trickery used in the courts, especially since we see what actually happens at the start of the episode.
probably because that's how investigations and trials work, taking testimony and evidence and deciding what actually happened based on what's discovered, rather than just taking one person's view as the objective truth
you probably think it's a Rashomon reference a lot more often than it actually is, ironically because your own reporting is biased and your own memory is flawed
>Why is a broadly applicable device best known for, but not exclusive to, a film considered one of the best so common in media?
We'll never know. Why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway? Mysterious.
It really isn't. The only one I remember that was a Rashomon style episode was the KotH episode where they become firemen. It's also the episode Boomhauer speaks normally.
It's good.
yeah Arthur the PBS show did one too and it's a good trope. Actually now that I think about it I think they did multiple Rashomons
That's not how I remember it.
I guess Homer is a Kurosawa hater.
How does Cinemaphile know what Rashomon is and when other works pay tribute to it except when it comes to Star Wars?
Star Wars? That took inspiration from other Kurosawa movies. Also Akira Kurosawa is not obscure.
You know what I'm talking about.
Oh sue me I guess I should have known you were talking about the 2017 movie out of the dozens of other Star Wars things you could have been talking about.
THAT'S supposed to be paying tribute to Rashomon?
duh
>3 different versions of what went down
>the third being what REALLY happened
What did you think it was? The Great Train Robbery?
>the third being what REALLY happened
This never happens in Rashomon
That’s not how I remember it
The point of Rashomon is that NONE of the storytellers are believable. They all have some reason to lie or otherwise have a biased memory. The takeaway at the end is you the viewer don't know which if any of the stories was the real one.
That was Clue.
There needs to be more movies with multiple endings.
is hero rashomon?
I don't think so, because is not different perspectives of the same event but a guy making up a story and then we seeing the real events.
Your Kurosawa homage sucks!
What does Rashomon have to do with Star Wars?
kurosawa was a massive influence on star wars to the point that george lucas was asking if he had to put hidden fortress in the credits due to how similar the plots are (intentionally so)
the initial casting for obi-wan was even intended to be toshiru mifune, who turned it down
Hidden Fortress yes, Rashomon no.
Knowing alot about Japanese cinemas as a knock-on effect of being a Godzilla fan.
Why would anyone care about star wars past the 1980s outside of the videogames?
>how could anyone have seen a film from baby's first artsy-but-accessible foreign director
Multiple shows have the episode name as a pun on it.
When did Star Wars pay tribute to Rashamon?
How’s that Rashamon?
Because OP just learned about it in school and wants to show off how smart he is.
Yes
>cartoons
I think it's just in general. Star Trek the Next Generation did a Rashomon-ish episode, although it played it as a whodunit where most mysteries were resolved.
>Riker raping a man's wife and then dramatically yelling that he's gonna kill him.
kino ep
The Ed, Edd'n'Eddy episode where they each tell a bedtime story to Jonny is one of my favorite examples of that trope.
>"Ed, your story's getting weird"
It's a fun way to make an episode and explore different characters by showing a story through their individual perspectives. The one from EEnE with the Eds stuck in a wall was fricking great in particular, that one obsessed fetish weirdo notwithstanding.
>notwithstanding
Storytime?
Has there ever been a cartoon that subverts the Rashomon trope?
what would the subversion be?
Everyone remembers it the same and there's only 1 flashback, or it does repeating identical flashbacks?
It turns out everyone was lying on purpose
Someone then uses basic detective work, and cross referencing each persons story to see consistencies between them, to get video evidence, DNA evidence, photographs, eyewitnesses, etc. To reconstruct the physical space the event took place
Everyone goes to jail
We end on a moral about how forensics is good, and how no amount of lying or faulty memory can defeat deductive reasoning
Then double subvert it when talking about things that happened hundreds of years ago and we only have their word to go on and we are right back to where rashomon started
>It turns out everyone was lying on purpose
That's already the original movie though
He's too dumb to see that
Everyone's lying and a detective solves it based on evidence is a completely typical plot?
>The man who wasn't there is the one who knows what happened
This is actually clever, thanks anon
the subversion is more common than the original because most people want closure in their plot
ATLA is one of the only ones to play rashomon-style totally straight, aang was also lying everyone just goes along with it because its for the greater good, and its one of the most hated episodes
kurosawa wanted to explore the themes of subjective reality
everyone else subverts it by showing an objective truth that makes all their contradictory stories make sense
RAGGLE FRAGGLE
>or it does repeating identical flashbacks?
This one. Set it up that the audience thinks it'll be a Rashomon, then have all their retellings identical as an overly long gag.
I could imagine Clerks: The Animated Series doing that.
Not a cartoon, but the Dick Van Dyke Show had a funny episode like that. It begins with Rob and Laura angry at each other, and then it shows the two goldfish talking to each other and explaining what happened objectively. After seeing what really happened, you see Rob and Laura talk about the fight to their friends, with absurdly exaggerated retellings in which they are depicted as perfect angels while the other is a cruel monster
Episode is The Night The Roof Fell In btw
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I would say that any Rashomon-style plot where you find out what really happened is a subversion of the original, since the point of the original was that all the stories were unreliable and you never learn the truth.
inst that the episode where Burns hit Bart with the car?
Yeah. It's less about the rashomon homage and more about the usual legal trickery used in the courts, especially since we see what actually happens at the start of the episode.
>it's a Rear Window episode
that's not how I remember it
There was a god damn rugrats Rashomon episide (tricycle thief). Actually, there were two if you count "the trial" which has a similar premise
probably because that's how investigations and trials work, taking testimony and evidence and deciding what actually happened based on what's discovered, rather than just taking one person's view as the objective truth
you probably think it's a Rashomon reference a lot more often than it actually is, ironically because your own reporting is biased and your own memory is flawed
The fresh prince one was kino
Ironic how Uncle Phil has a scarier laugh than Shredder.
It's just a cool plot concept that writers of that generation liked to use. You see it in a lot of media from the 80s to the 2000s.
>Why was this so common in cartoons?
It's a fun trope, it's especially kino if there's a style/genre change.
Because the writers are hacks and it's easy to do X but with our characters instead.
>Why is a broadly applicable device best known for, but not exclusive to, a film considered one of the best so common in media?
We'll never know. Why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway? Mysterious.
It really isn't. The only one I remember that was a Rashomon style episode was the KotH episode where they become firemen. It's also the episode Boomhauer speaks normally.