It's actually pretty embarrassing that swearing is so taboo in America when every other country on Earth (ahem, Japan) has mature themes, swearing, etc socially acceptable by age 7.
It's actually pretty embarrassing that swearing is so taboo in America when every other country on Earth (ahem, Japan) has mature themes, swearin...
Bad movies use swearing as a replacement for jokes. Limiting how much you swear requires you to have more creative writing and jokes.
Constraint leading to creativity is a cute sentiment you can spew as some “mature” observation, but a world where artists aren’t constrained is always better.
>Constraint leading to creativity
I'm getting less and less of this line of thought as well. Not just for films, but for any sort of media.
I've never seen it as anything more than people admitting they are pro-censorship.
This! Look at people who no support censorship in kids cartoons. They are fricking authoritarians.
To paraphrase pic related, just saying the swear words doesn't make something more adult. If anything, it makes it more childish.
That.
It's more than just censorship, I'm talking things like visual styles too.
People who've never created anything
What did you create?
Nothing
No, they're just coping by saying everything except the obvious, which is that censorship is often necessary.
This. Compare Family Guy to any garbage from 90s CN.
>Family guy
>better than 90s Cn
Lmao good one anon
Fox Futurama vs. Comedy Central Futurama proves this wrong. So does TBS American Dad. Even less relevant but so does Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon
Natural selection, artists will have to find creative ways to pass the censorship.
>two characters hate each other
>should we have witty dialogue where they proceed to insult each other with witty retorts?
>i know. let's just have one character call the other character a Black person
>it's funny because Black person is le taboo
Bravo writing.
I agree, that's why modern pixel art games a shit.
Yeah. We have the resources and tech to achieve more things on the level of Cuphead and shit. No paper needed even! However they just want to make more crappy Earthbound-looking shit out of 'muh nostalgia', or such crap when they can do much better than that
>However they just want to make more crappy Earthbound-looking shit out of 'muh nostalgia',
Name 10
swearing is lack of creativity, is just low IQ
What moronation. People swear when they talk, that's how actual humans speak everywhere. Of course cursing is culture-specific as all language is, but hang out with people anywhere outside of a formal/business setting and people are going to be rude and crude in their local way. Animation aimed at older audiences could and should reflect this.
This! This is why I hate most modern cartoons; none of them talk realistically.
>none of them talk realistically.
The dialogue in Raya the last dragon really BOTHERED me
Unicorn Warriors Eternal is the worst example of this. It's rated TV-PG, it's aimed at a slightly older audience, is it’s on adult swim for god's sake yet they don't drop a single swear
To be fair, it was originally made for CN. We'll most likely get more edgy shit in later episodes.
>TV-PG
>aimed a slightly older audience
Can you read? Even Kid Cosmic had a hot damn and that was aimed at younger kids. Genndy never fricking commits.
Standards and Practices are well known for being completely arbitrary and schizo when it comes to what they allow.
Ask Deadpool writers to write without swearwords pandering to morons every second
Good movies let characters say a curse word for the sake of natural sounding dialogue. No one has ever said crud.
This.
Conservatives never were against censorship. They just want to be in charge.
Both SJW and conservacücks hate on free speech.
Good shows aren't afraid of swearing when it's required for the situation in display.
Censorship is ALWAYS bad. The conservative and the SJW ones.
This. This is why everyone stopped watching cartoons in the 90s and 00s. They didn't feel real.
I think it's hilarious bad when you see the writer's way of telling us the character has grown up and become an adult, is having the character use "frick" in every single sentence.
It's like, wow, is the writer 12 or something lol
By your logic toddler shit must be full of hidden gems if "censorship inspire creativity"
This, or they just do it for the sole purpose of seeming more "adult".
This is why most important comedians all vocally have huge respect for clean acts like Brian Regan et al
Being funny without cursing is legitimately impressive. For a Cinemaphile example, look at the undying fan base for homestar runner. People who are media literate understand one of the reason the show's humor is so legendary is that it's clean.
Why is Cinemaphile so pro censorship?
Yes, more kids’ movies that use the word Black person.
People pepper their speech with swears to sound mature but not classy. They actually sound way more juvenile instead of real and raw or punk rock.
>Censorship is good! Lick the boot!
Sometimes writers just need to be tard-wrangled. Most writers are not high IQ intellectuals.
hee hee hee very baste, that's why i come here for this type of channer humor
what a great time to be a channer lol
>Japan
Swearing isn't really a thing like it is America. Why do weebs keep pushing this?
lol Japan has plenty of highly offensive language.
Sure it is. Japanse vulgarity doesn't begin and end at 'oh poop'.
Any examples that aren't fansubs?
You have any proof on that or are you just going to keep saying, "Nuh uh!" since it's all you can do while you're busy wiping away tears because people are being mean to your grorious nipponland?
Japanese swearing is contextual, since the word used for poop and shit is the same. It's same for much of the language. Please take some courses, or self-educate, yourself when it comes to the Japanese language, I believe in you.
What I learned of Japanese this is the case, something like "oji-san" can mean geezer, old man, or uncle. "kuso" can mean poop, kaka, or shit.
id hate childrens movie to act more juvenile
>Damn!... Good. Damn good
>Because Z doesn't give a damn about us
>What/who the hell is that?
>I have a thing about drinking from the anus of another creature
>What are you b***hin' about?
>This stuff tastes like crap
>Don't tell that tight-ass anything!
Why was Antz excluded?
It's a shame how Antz and Shrek 1 had swearing, yet all the next Dreamworks films didn't. I guess Shrek 2 had "he climbs to the highest bloody room of tallest bloody tower" and "you still look like an ass to me", but that's it.
Americans are such pussies. Notice how the Japanese are allowed to constantly say frick?
>Notice how the Japanese are allowed to constantly say frick?
No.
See
Japan is super vulgar, you are all just pussies. You don't even have mature themes.
I refuse to be called a pussy by a country who literally censors their fricking porn
See
You have no argument.
They're also pussies for wanting to censor literal pussies. That's enough of an argument for me!
But Japan does not have curse words like we do, fansubs and dubs just have to compensate for langauge differences. Japanese has rude forms for certain words. For example, "kisama" is a rude way to say "you" so it often gets translated to bastard but it isn't really the same socially as it is in the US. That's why a kids show like Sentai can use it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuso
Literally proving his point
>can be translated as frick, shit
>when it also literally means poop, crap, excrement
>linking to wiki shit that refers to its slang usage outside of Japan
You're the kind of fricking moron dumbshit frickhead Black person that probably does swear too fricking much because you're a dumbfrick that doesn't know shit about how Japanese works.
https://www.jumpspeak.com/blog/japanese-swear-words
https://ling-app.com/ja/swear-words-in-japanese/
https://cotoacademy.com/japanese-swear-words-not-to-use/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_profanity
Comparing someone/something or calling someone/something an equivalent to feces can be a general insult without using it as a curse word like saying crap or shit.
The first two are clickbait trash, and the Wikipedia article discusses exactly what I said. That Japanese has different layers and some words have rude forms.
That article talks about how it means feces, but is translated to be a curse word. It's not an actual curse word in Japan.
show me a children’s show that says 基地外
Yeah, and you're not going to hear works like チンポ or マンコ in kid's movies.
Doraemon had that.
because antz was a terrible movie
Swearing sounds trashy.
I just don’t think young children need to be exposed to excessive swearing in movies targeted to them. Yes I support the creation of more hard PG to PG 13 movies, but what we don’t need is parents taking their 5 year olds to see those films.
Kids already hear plenty worse on the playground every single day. What are you talking about?
Just because a kid is exposed doesn’t mean a company should have cartoon characters calling each other b***hes and motherfrickers in a movie theater
Why not?
Kids emulate grown-ups and their heroes, not other kids.
This comes across as someone embarrassed he enjoys movies aimed at kids so he's desperately trying to claim they're edgier than they are.
>average american twitter moron trying to compare western animation to different cultural forms without realising the nuance of language or target audiences
Actually I'm just saying that Americans are pussies and their culture sucks.
>t. american twitter moron
>No argument
So why are you on a board that has American cartoons and comics.
>You can't want something to improve
>Lol look at this twitter screenshot! You Americans are pussies!
>What, bro I just want things to be better honest!
Why are east vs west shitters so disingenuous?
First step to solving a problem is to acknowledge it.
>is to acknowledge it.
Like the comfort women?
Anon you realize none of actually work in the industry, right? Us acknowledging it wouldn't do much, least of all I’d you get your opinions from a fricking twitter nobody.
There are much bigger problems that need to be acknowledged than saying no no words to make you feel more mature.
So I how exactly does this improve anything?
For the European stuff.
The European stuff is shit. Stick to based anime.
>Yoshi OC avatar
Would you guys say East vs West threads are more off-topic or low quality?
The latter, not that it helps. Mods protect the frick out of these threads, along with the schizos that infest this board.
I never see actual east vs west threads as much you guys complain about them. It's always just a few posts attempting to derail an otherwise on-topic thread like what's going on here. I think the problem is that the average Cinemaphile user doesn't actually read threads and just gets angry if they see a few posts mentioning Japan.
The thread is comparing American swearing to Japanese swearing though.
Brother the first post to mention Japan is the OP.
Proving my point.
The absolute worst homosexuals on EVS threads and probably this entire board is disingenuous homosexuals like you pretending the OP wasn't an off-topic EVS thread meant to be an EVS thread
It wasn't or at least if it was, no one fell for the bait except for reactionary people like you. You create the thing you supposedly hate.
These are my only two replies on this whole thread and the only two that i'll be making, and it's solely to call you all homosexuals
Bye now
oving my oint
EvW are the biggest boogeymen since industrycuck
You have stated in the past that you hate western animation and want to try (and fail) to convince anon's to switch to anime, industrycuck. Wouldn't surprise me if you were the one behind a sizable chunk of the EvW threads on this board.
>EVS
Ethan Van Sciver?
>I never see actual east vs west threads as much you guys complain about them
See your eye doctor, or better yet a psychologist
>meanwhile in latin america
my skin asks me for sun and sex
Most parents aren't triggered by this stuff also PG is basically G now, Shrek came out now it be PG-13.
desu, you don't understand the culture here. You make a twitter post about something like this and to cry about "Karens" aka white moms guarding their kids against Hollywood.
I really do not want to see childrens adaptations take up dirty language because I don't use it myself and kids will use it. It'd just make everything slowly creep towards the problems with adult animation. Swearing is not humor, gross humor isn't really great humor, and edginess is not humor. The whole industry actually needs to grow up and move away from that. That'd be more mature.
anyone who uses the term karen is a guaranteed they/them twitter homosexual with 6 degrees of mental illness.
I found very stupid the scene from megamind when they censor the highway to hell song, despite Disney making a while musical numbers about hell in a g rated movies a few years before. Shows how sanitized american animated had become
This! Frick the 2000s. This is when everything was starting to get pussified.
>hating on 00s
Yep, it's industrycuck everyone. Pack it up. Nothing of value here.
>(ahem, Japan) has mature themes, swearing, etc socially acceptable by age 7.
I wish that were still true mang.
>It’s very kind of you to be concerned. But it’s all been fixed now.
>Piss-tina
>swearing
Frick that, what about the music? For the most part all we get is "epic"-sounding slop with mostly forgettable melodies and at best okay rhythm sections. Turning Red's score is probably the best damn soundtrack I've heard for a western film in a long time, and even that still has a bit of that stink. Man, Disco Destruction Night really was a frickin' mistake.
And Japan has the highest rates of Suicide in the world.
>The Epic Frick
>kids movies needs more swearing
kek
People that aren't raising children seriously need to shut the frick up about the content in children's movies. Children are impressionable and you don't want bad behavior normalized in children's media
You just became a boring twat. This happens to most people between the ages of 25-40, normies start worrying about how fiction affects children, and creators mellow down and lose their passion, never again producing anything great.
It's game over for you, boomer.
>It's game over for you, boomer.
I mean, someone caring about how fiction affects children probably has more of a horse in the race than a genetic dead end arguing that there aren't enough "fricks" and ebonics in his sweatshop-produced cartoons, but whatever helps you feel like you won the argument, sport.
>I mean, someone caring about how fiction affects children
Which it doesn't nearly to the degree that you think that it does. Kids have heard far worse on the playground and you'll likely not have really any control over what they're exposed to anyway. You have no actual argument other than uncomfortable feelings.
>Fiction doesn't effect children to any serious degree
That's actually complete dogshit and this board along with internet culture in general is proof of it.
Prove it then. Show any studies.
Don't need to prove shit, chief. We have whole generations of furries and trannies to attest to it. You're asking for studies because you can't argue in good faith because you don't or willingly won't ever have children.
>I don't have to prove the claim I'm arguing!
I accept your concession
the ball is in your court,buddy
The ball is in your court because you will never be a women....
I just wanted to make the joke
>japan swearing
anon it's 2023
>swearing makes it mature
Frick this moron. I bet he thinks The Lorax is mature because O'Hare says "damn it".
The problem is the audiences. Parents are just fricking morons when it comes to animated media. We have a ratings system, we could make animated works aimed at older audiences and labeled specifically for them, but in the US there's such a strong "animation = kids" mentality that parents will just take their kids to hard R shit anyway. And not just animation, I remember seeing parents with really little kids in the theater when I saw Logan and Deadpool. They just saw "comicbook movie" and automatically assumed it's appropriate for all ages.
I remember the Lorax snuck in a barely audible Dammit!
To the homosexual saying "This" in every post: It's fricking annoying. Stop it.
>inb4 This!
It's just some samegay replying to his own posts. You can't cure that level of homosexualry.
>manchild complains about parents caring about the content of the media their children consume
Quit watching children's media then. There is more than a lifetime's worth of adult content to watch.
at least we have gender affirming care.
>I need Puss in Boots to say frick to validate my adulthood
Least arrested development animation fan
The amount of swearing that americans practice is what is embarrassing. They have no impulse control, and the language level of a fart.
That is why there are Karens. They're taught to flip out over small matters to make themselves feel like bigger people.
I agree with the "make Karens cry" part though. We need better talent in movie writing. When was the last time that comic book movies affected anything on the level of the entire society? Rorschach from The Watchmen, most likely. No swearing there. Just one man fighting for a cleaner world.
If it wasn't for "censorship" Batman would have been an x-rated Catwoman-slamming fest decades ago, and gotten cancelled for being a one-note comic.
Remember, even Playboy went out of business.
I don't think Japan use swear words they are a bit creative with using their language when insulting someone like with the scots.
Swearing is taboo in other countries too
Japan doesn't really have swearing the same way English does
Remember shrek had multiple dick jokes.
>Nu-PG
Pathetic and pussy shit
Blame the religious b***hes for getting offended by everything that is a cartoon or comic since the fricking 80's
Consider: America slapped Japan into the dirt with two nuclear bombs and rules the world. Maybe there's something to the whole no-swearing thing?