It's alright, its nothing special. I don't know why this got chosen to be the holy grail of film
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It's alright, its nothing special. I don't know why this got chosen to be the holy grail of film
It's alright, its nothing special. I don't know why this got chosen to be the holy grail of film
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Really? You have know idea why? Not even a slight inclination?
>know idea
I hope you left this thread out of embarrassment
It's overrated, for sure. But undeniably influential.
It was one of the first ambitious films that tried to:
-have the plot and every scene have a symbolic meaning
-tell mostly through images instead of exposition
-constant use of creative cinematic techniques
-have a message
-all while still being easy to follow and entertaining
>-have the plot and every scene have a symbolic meaning
>-tell mostly through images instead of exposition
>-constant use of creative cinematic techniques
>-have a message
>-all while still being easy to follow and entertaining
Are you literally moronic? These things had existed in films for decades.
Hello 20-year old.
Gettin mad at movies again today?
You're a jelly brained moron. Wow, creative cinematic techniques? That's unique to Citizen Kane! Just own up you haven't seen any old films other than Citizen Kane. Ignoring the silent era, Renoir, Riefenstahl, Ford, all were doing what Welles did but 100x better.
>skim post
>buzzword buzzword rage rage shits diaper
yawn
Be less boring in your life, anon.
Stop talking about shit you know nothing about. Citizen Kane is overrated.
You sound like an angry 20 year old with no life experience.
>life experience
Is this what you call being a spineless phlegm? If you're moronic you should be told so.
I have no idea what you're even trying to say now, looks like some kind of projection of whatever misery you face day to day. Anything you want to share with us about what's going wrong in your life, instead of getting mad at movies anon?
You know you can get a girlfriend if you tried, right?
You sound like you're really low iq. I don't put much stock in iq tests usually but your posts read like someone who can barely read and has just learnt a few rote responses, and who thinks his random insults are real zingers. It's pathetic. All just because someone said your movie opinion was moronic. A lack of life experience has nothing to do with someone thinking you're moronic or being mean to you. That's a homosexual liberal appeal to authority.
Do you really think I'm going to take any of your opinions seriously when you type like that?
You actually think you can change peoples' minds by being a loud aggressive shitposter?
>that thing you like.. is actually bad
What a waste of time. All you've succeeded in doing is solidifying my believe that people who do NOT like this film have nothing intelligent or credible to say.
give 3 examples before 1942
citizen kane still feels like a modern movie, in fact it is a superior wolf of wall street
Those two movies have nothing in common with each other save for a rich white guy, try harder.
The Last Laugh, Foolish Wives, Stagecoach
I saw All Quiet on the Western Front and that movie had a blatant message and a ton of symbolism
>have the plot and every scene have a symbolic meaning
That's some film school-tier bullshit right there. Symbolism is almost never something that filmmakers intentionally inject into scenes. Rather, it is just instinctive when they are writing and/or filming and then academic types apply this "symbolism" after-the-fact because of their pseud autism.
Welles didn’t go to film school, he went to film
Holy american education, you homosexuals really think Citizen Kane was the first movie since Chaplin's silent comedies.
The Maltese Falcon is infinitely better, even Suspicion and motherfricking dumbo are better
>The Maltese Falcon is infinitely better
>comparing apples to oranges
my homie, preach. PREACH!
I think the overall message is what really resonated with people at the time and still does to this day and that's probably why it's one of the greats. The message of course being the loss of innocence and happiness and giving all that up for wealth leaves you sad in the end. At the time in 1940s America I think a lot of people sympathized with Kane having gone through a very similar transition from middle America just before WWII to post WWII and the increase in industrialization that took place around that time, and with people making tons of money via business ventures and suddenly becoming very wealthy they probably found it easy to further put themselves in the shoes of Kane.
>Filtered by a sled.
NGMI, anon.
grounbreaking cinematography and way better writing than your standard talkie
Most overrated film of all time probably. Not even in the top 20 of its decade. The filmmaking might be fancy but the story is dogshit.
Go watch any three other movies from 1941 then come back here.
How Green Was My Valley, The 47 Ronin, I dunno probably more.
>Finally I have become citizen Kane,
really Wells?
It basically invented movies as an art form. If you're not getting much out of it, you're not thinking of
... in the context of the time it was made but as you would a movie that came out today
Where did this meme start? Fritz Lang's M was released a full 10 years earlier and was a better film.
kek you pea brains, it’s a product of its time but at the time was new and incredible, imagine inventing the first automobile and debuting it alongside chariots so in the future everyone’s driving an automobile but you can’t recognize the significance of the first
You're not exaggerating, I've actually seen Anons shit on the Model T over on Cinemaphile. OP havin' a nice little chuckle at the reaction here.
it's pretty epic for its time
visually and story wise
I get where you're coming from. I also am not a mega fan of CK. I like it quite a bit, and I fully understand how revolutionary it was for filmmaking in the early 1940s, but it's just not something I gush over, or even want to re-watch really. Seen it twice, and if I never see it again in my life, I really don't care. It's more famous for its value as a stepping stone for cinema than its narrative substance, or even stylistic choices. I mean, the '30s and even the '20s are also full of highly stylized films with great stories and substance, but none of them are lauded in such a way. Its kind of the Shawshank Redemption of early cinema.
>It’s kind of the Shawshank Redemption of early cinema.
Kek
because visually its interesting and feels more like a modern movie than others from that period.
its similar to watching 48 hrs or beverly hills cop, or the matrix, but if contemporary movies were derivative of that instead of being mindless capeshit that sucks ass
Is Sunset Boulevard the only classic all of Cinemaphile agrees deserves that title?
It's the Beatles of cinema, overrated by ((critics)) for decades before anyone was born so it has a reputation in the United States & people have to pretend it's good when nobody actually enjoys or cares
lots of gays who dont listen to much like the beatles
Beatles are the equivalent now to what Classical music used to be, the snobbish kind of music that a lot of people will genuinely listen to but the same people that do this will be circlejerking old silent film / art house shit like Citizen Kane
>classic actually mid, please react to me
Here you go OP:
>(You)
Most classics are mid, but I can at least see why people would enjoy it. Citizen Kane just bored the shit out of me.
You have to consider the historical context.
Before Citizen Kane, films were mostly shot with a static camera and followed a very straightforward narrative structure. This film basically invented most of the modern filmmaking techniques such as the concept of montage. Without this movie we would have never gotten masterpieces like The Wizard of Oz for example. Yeah, it might not measure up with a modern Tarantino film, but that's kind of an unfair comparison.
>I just watched an Alfred Hitchwiener film and it was so lame, the story was recycled from every thriller I've ever seen
watched Birds few weeks ago
turned off after 40-50 minutes boring ass nothing happens flick
and I loved Vertigo
...
>Ingmar Bergman calling a movie boring
nice reddit filename btw
At least Bergman had something serious and of substance he was pointing his camera at. It may be boring but it's still a grade above Welles.
Based. But I unironically feel the same way about Bergman films.
Try watching The Magician. I find it to be one of the few exceptions in Bergman's filmography.
Thanks, anon. I haven't tried that one. But the 3 or 4 other Bergman films that I have tried watching in the past have utterly bored me. And it's tough, because I generally love that era and style of filmmaking. But for some reason Bergman never jived with me.
Same here, I think you should learn to appreciate what's original or masterful in his films but you shouldn't force yourself to enjoy them.
>calls Citizen Kane boring
>proceeds to shoot a 4 hour movie of swedish people talking about swedish things
>I don’t condemn that very northern, very Protestant world of artists like Bergman; it’s just not where I live. The Sweden I like to visit is a lot of fun. But Bergman’s Sweden always reminds me of something Henry James said about Ibsen’s Norway—that it was full of “the odor of spiritual paraffin.” How I sympathize with that! I share neither Bergman’s interests nor his obsessions. He’s far more foreign to me than the Japanese.
>—Orson Welles to Kenneth Tynan, 1967
Who is that?
Persona is fricking trash.
It's a great test to see if your friends or family are morons or not, because if they can't handle the straightforward subtext and symbolism of Kane, they sure as shit aren't going to handle more challenging cinema.
It literally tells you in the film
>he wants to be le loved but doesn’t give it back
>le material possessions are no substitute for love
>it is hard to explain one’s life once they’re le dead
Lol, 'it's boring' is both the low and highwit criticism, rejecting boredom as a valid criticism is pure midwittery. Obviously the critique of boredom implies or includes a lot more in it than just not being entertained, at least from the highwit perspective. Bergman's frankness is a testament to his cinematic intelligence, quite difference from those midwits that just spew cliches about it being the greatest film ever made.
>this whole thread
Cinemaphile is still alive and strong on saturday nights, feels fricking good
>chosen
Unlike some film nerd semiotics bullshit such as Vertigo it wasn’t consciously “chosen,” it acquired its reputation through sheer breadth of influence.
>If it made you bored, why?
The statement implies something about the movie.. you self-absorbed midwit. Appealing to an abstract notion of the individual's subjectivity, 'just a state of mind', is not only unnecessary here, it is the dullest response anyone could have. Not to mention the fact that Bergman clearly qualifies his use of the word.
>Filmed theater
Holy shit you are stupid. Yeah never mind the cinematography, movement of the camera, editing and outright use of montage. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Because Welles a filthy dirty communist
it's a masterpiece anyway i preffer The Lady from Shanghai