Say what you like about Ryan Johnson but he really swung hard with this. Eschewing 'member berries for a daring new vision. I think it will be reevaluated as a masterpiece in years to come.
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Not a masterpiece, but it is extremely based that he broke JJ Abrams mystery boxes and forced him to clean it up in the sequel
TLJ will always be my favorite of the sequels for this reason. Not in a "it's a good film" sense, but in a "majorly contribute to crushing future plans to make bank on the franchise" sense. The movie is also hilarious if you watch it from that perspective. TLJ basically threw out all the cope that Star Wars was only going to get better under Yidsney.
>I think it will be reevaluated as a masterpiece in years to come.
Wouldn't it be more enjoyable if that expectation of yours was subverted though?
>I think it will be reevaluated as a masterpiece in years to come.
You think wrong it was shit. It had some good "shots" but the movie as a whole was crap. Bad characters, non-sensical plot. Rian should have been a cinematographer because he's a shit director
It's the best Star Wars. Fans disliked it because the movie wasn't 2h30m of Luke murdering people.
The fact that Luke astrally projected himself to the battle instead of actually showing up there felt like a twist for the sake of having a twist. I was mostly enjoying the movie up to that point (even though I fricking hated every Holdo scene) but that was such a huge letdown.
It doesn't really make a difference, does it?
It does raise some questions about what the hell was actually going on, but at that point who cares?
Congrats, you missed he was doing exactly what Rey and Kylo were doing the whole film.
As far as I can tell, neither of them actually believed that their weird telepathic visions were real.
Also, Snoke said that he was responsible for that.
Then you didn’t watch the movie, simple as.
“Can you see my surroundings? I can’t see yours. Just you.”
“You’re not doing this, the effort would kill you.”
“When we touched hands I saw his future”
Which one of those lines lead you to believe that they thought their visions were real?
They seem only to reinforce my point.
Remember, Kylo Ren thought Luke Skywalker was physically in front of him.
Rey’s first instinct is to shoot at Kylo when she sees him and he flinches thinking he’s about to get shot
Neither of them seem to believe they're in the same location. At least they don't act as though they are.
I guess maybe they think they're in two locations at once? Frick if I know.
They both think the other one is in their location. This is confirmed when Luke sees Kylo with Rey in the hut. It’s probably where he got the idea in the first place.
That raises another question of how Luke is able to do this.
It's already a mystery as to how Snoke is able to do it but his entire character is a mystery so I guess one more doesn't hurt.
Can Jedi just do anything they can imagine?
I dont't even care about Star Wars that much but the problem with this is movie is that it had a lot of little things that just feel "off". Like this whole scene described in this pic - yeah everything said there is true but why did it need the slomo fight which completely doesn't fit SW. How is projecting himself across the galaxy impressive if distances were never an issue in this universe - you just get on a ship and get off on the next planet with some dialog in between. Why did they have to use so much techno babble when describing the plan to disable the shields of the imperial ship? Why are rebels presented as a merry band of misfits in one scene and then as a military group with a strict chain of command in the next?
>dying from out of mana
stop defending this shit
It is objectively the best Star Wars movie ever made from the tight script to the jaw dropping cinematography and the unparalleled performances of the actors, even Hamill who can’t act for shit was directed to the performance of a life time.
Almost everyone who didn’t like it seem to have checked out in the first half because the second half solves all their complaints.
Oh and in the movie EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER FAILS. The only one who finally does something right? Luke Fricking Skywalker.
>Almost everyone who didn’t like it seem to have checked out in the first half
Why would they check out in the first half if the movie is a masterpiece?
Because like shit for brains up here they heard “Let the past die” FROM THE VILLAIN, and thought it was both the theme of the movie AND a direct shot at the fans. Fricking morons.
>EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER FAILS
What do the female characters fail at?
Rey fails to bring Kylo back from the dark side
Rose fails at not being a fricking idiot
Leia fails not to get the entirety of her military leadership killed
Holdo’s plan to evade detection fails, she has to kill herself
Rose fails to park properly and is arrested
Rose fails to escape the bad guys and is almost executed
Rose fails to be a likeable character
Rey doesn’t turn Kylo
Leia fails to inspire hope in the rest of the galaxy
Holdo’s plan fails but leads to one of the most badass improvs ever
Rose has unrequited feelings for Finn
someone post the disappearing dagger
anyone can make you feel warm toward something with the psychological trick of using a warm light color
>But enough about the melanoma
>PLEASE HAVE SEX WITH ME, PODCASTERS! PLEEEASE! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEHEEEHEEEAASE!!!!
I enjoyed it up until the Yoda scene. The fact that Luke hasn't actually read any of the old Jedi books completely shits on the movie's point about letting go of the past, he hasn't engaged with the past in the first place. Also, Yoda's point about "we are what they grow beyond" has nothing to do with the actual conflict Luke was having with Rey. The whole scene was basically Rian trying to force the movie to have a thematic element that the script wasn't leading toward.
Yea it was
My guy you are outing yourself as a fricking moron.
The ENTIRE POINT OF THE MOVIE is that the past matters and we can not grow if we don’t learn from the failures of the past. It’s literally the opposite of what you think it is and you ironically don’t like the scene THAT SETS THE STAGE FOR THE FRICKING TONE SHIFT of the film.
This film is entirely memberberries, being about half composed of bleeding chunks of V and VI, just set against each other stupidly so that they suck
>Eschewing 'member berries for a daring new vision
That's exactly what Lucas did except his films made sense and were good
Patrician.
Spazz ball needs to calm down but he’s right, TLJ was a filter in who has the attention span to still digest a complex story from beginning to middle to end. I was there at the premiere, before the leaks online and people fricking loved this movie. “We are what they grow beyond.” Indeed. Extremely profound wisdom from Yoda. Johnson gets it. The human experience painted on a space canvas unlike that permanently drunk cowboy wannabe Filoni.
did u forget this?
lmaooo
Her doing that let the cannon blast through the mountain creating the Rebel’s escape. She was literally rewarded for having faith in what she thought was right, it doesn’t get more Star Wars than that.
twu
>it doesn’t get more Star Wars than that.
How about sacrificing yourself to save your friends? That's pretty Star Wars.
She didn't sacrifice herself.
If she thought she was going to die by crashing her vehicle into Finn's then IDK why she thought he would survive.
And IDK why she thought either of them or any of their comrades would survive that whole ordeal when nobody had a real plan.
She didn’t. That’s the whole fricking point. She just knew it was the right thing to do to stop him and she inadvertently created the escape route.
It’s no different than Luke turning off his targeting computer in A New Hope. He didn’t know it would work, it went against all logic, it was probably a stupid fricking decision, but he had faith and that faith was rewarded.
>she inadvertently created the escape route
Are you a disgruntled writer for this movie?
I'm sorry to tell you that this idea was not in the final product at all.
No that’s literally what happened. When they are going through the tunnel there is still glowing rock from the blast but you guys are sub 80 in and need your hand held for everything.
>and she inadvertently created the escape route.
That's so stupid
That's what i mean. What she prevented Finn from doing was infinitely more heroic
Notice how three of these are the female characters being good and not being loved back.
Maybe Holdo is different. All i remember is her being used to nag Poe. I certainly didn't get the impression that she was ment to be a bad commander.
>Holdo
What a reprehensible joke.
>What a reprehensible joke.
AND SHE GETS TO BE AN ADMIRAL!?
>prevented her comrade from destroying the cannon of annihilation
>said he didn't need to destroy it
>...
>but he need to save what he loves
>cannon of annihilation blows up the last line defense in the background
Rose basically put own needs above her crush needs and above the needs of comrades he wanted to save.
Also her words makes zero sense applying to the whole situation.
Finn wanted exactly to save what he loved, and she stopped him just to say what he wanted to do.
This whole is peak 'for midwits' writing
Sound cool but shallow and dumb upon the analysis.
It's not well executed but the objection is meant to be the idea that the child soldier can make the world a better place without suicide attacks.
It wasn't just not a well executed, shit Rose said was completely unrealistic to apply to the circumstances they were in
She is quite literally an idiot, harmful idiot in that situation
The moment is sandwiched between heroic but suicidal actions, there has to be something to balance that out or you get the impression it was somehow written by an imperial japanese officer in early 1945.
>ruins you’re hero’s arc right as your about culminate your transformation from cowardly storm trooper to brave resistance member
>we don’t win by destroying what we hate but saving who we love
>a bunch of your buddies get blasted by the cannon you were going to sacrifice yourself to destroy
>I think it will be reevaluated as a masterpiece in years to come.
This will never happen because of the two steaming piles of shit it’s sandwiched between, no one will ever care to revisit this trilogy. I just hope in time more people realise JJ is the one to blame, what Rian attempted to do was in the spirit of Lucas, it’s easily the best Disney era piece of Star Wars media
It’s also just not a masterpiece, the whole B and C plots are absolutely moronic. What he did with Luke, Rey, and Kylo was a legendary pleb filter
I know a lot of pro TLJ posts are just bait but this is what I really believe
No he didn’t it’s still a shitty rehash of empire
Maybe I should give this a go again.
The one time I tried to watch it I went to do something else during the WWII style dambusters bomb raid on a star destroyer. When I came back Leia was doing a Mary Poppins imitation in outer space, so I quit the whole thing.
Did I miss something kino there? Seemed a bit silly to be honest.
it was the best out of the ST, but thats not saying much
it would have been much better if not for the entire casino planet storyline
all nu wars is homosexual shit
>daring vision
>so there is a space ship with the good guys on it and it has to get away from the bad guys chasing but they are basically at a standstill and need to find a way to escape for good.
Whew lad
It's fricking Space Balls 2, not a Star Wars movie. Rian didn't swing hard, he just pulled a weasel move making an insincere movie.
It's time for me to watch all the nu-wars movies.
>I think it will be reevaluated as a masterpiece in years to come.
Nope, that's the Prequels. Last Jedi was made by a spiteful bugman and will only be remembered as a huge pile of subversive shit.
Why waste time womansplaining such an ugly piece of shit movie? Anon, you're mentally ill.
>Say what you like about Ryan Johnson
Okay - he is talentless moron who routinelly loses thread of his own narrative and is uncrowned king of 'Tell, never show' storytelling.
Actual dimwit.
what's the image on the left? Is this what actually inspired Rian?
https://imgur.com/a/gJYZXO7
It seems likely.
Someone at Disney really, really likes that movie. The Marvels plot was also basically a Spaceballs ripoff.
This shit was so out of place
You sat trying hard to not hate the movie and cling to any redeeming quality it had, and then this spaceball shit appears killing you
Holy shit frick off, Rian. Your movie was dogshit and you're not going to fool anyone into liking it here.
Disneyslop for manchildren
yes
>Say what you like about Ryan Johnson
I will, he's a fricking homosexual and his approach to storytelling is pants-on-head moronic, his whole schtick is subversion and he doesn't understand the difference between something being unexpected because it's novel and interesting vs. something being unexpected because it's so dumb nobody would expect it to get written into a movie. I didn't read the rest of your post sorry.