It's just me or it seems people inside Hollywood fricking hate each orther to core.
It's just me or it seems people inside hollywood fricking hate each orther to core.
It's just me or it seems people inside Hollywood fricking hate each orther to core.
good. The sooner hollywood crumbles the better
Fpbp, fricking hilarious how Spielberg of all people predicted this and still decided to ride the woke bandwagon
> fricking hilarious how Spielberg of all people predicted this and still decided to ride the woke bandwagon
I think he knows about all of this shit burning down but he's too old to care about and that's why he's making more personal films about his passion than anything else (the Fabelman)
Spielberg and Lucas are textbook examples of boomers kicking the ladder down once they succeed. Their movies that they are best known for lack any diversity and are about strong white leads doing heroic shit and in the case of Indiana Jones, disrespecting other cultures and now they are against that.
do lucas even care about movies anymore?
God I hope this happens and lasts a along time for this
Unions helped destroy manufacturing in America, I hope they can do the same to the 'entertainment' industry. God be with them.
It was their own greed that did, nothing more
>put money as top priority and turn it into a marketing machine instead of an artistic one (focus groups, test screenings, "reshots")
>actors demand higher salaries despite star system being dead and only a few remaining box office draws
I don't really get unions and why companies listen to them.
Use this as an excuse to ignore them and hire people outside of the unions. Keep doing that and ignore them and their members will come to you because it's you they need for a livelihood
Well it makes a lot of sense when the stakes are high enough. There are companies out there who will frick over whoever they can but have to limit their greed in the face of unions.
One example would be hospital systems, some of which have nurses working inhuman schedules and will sue them if they decide to quit before 24 months. Nurses unions exist and would prevent that.
That's because you have that "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" mentality so common with Americans where you just want to become The israelite yourself. You are not the boss, you are the prole, and if not for the unions you'd be working 7 days a week with no entitlement to holidays, sick pay or safe working conditions.
the only people who truly believe moronic shit like that saying are redd1toids.
The average American understands that when you start taxing "ONLY THE RICH" that eventually thats never enough and they come after everyone because government will expand to meet the needs of the expanding government.
We already spend more money per person on healthcare and education than any european nation - and because 1/3 of our population is black and mexican, we get less out per capita.
>the only people who truly believe moronic shit like that saying are redd1toids.
America is the only place on earth where a significant portion of the population has been successfully brainwashed into believing the insanity you just spewed. Every single sector of a typical european economy is unionized. Even right-wingers aren't against unions here, because literally everybody understands that unions are the only counter-power to corporations and their minions in government and media. You're the exception here. You're the morons gleefully giving up more and more power and wealth to CEOs every year.
It's because america used to have 'small' government.
Then we ballooned heavily since the late 1970s and it's turning into a house of cards because of lefties always create more bloat, hire more lefties, want to regulate something because an outlier fricked up, which then they create more bloat, hire more people, then want to regulate again.... over and over.
We need CEO control, not more regulation in our lives like you commie fricks over the pond.
>The average American understands that when you start taxing "ONLY THE RICH" that eventually thats never enough and they come after everyone because government will expand to meet the needs of the expanding government.
This has to be one of the stupidest, most naive things I have ever read. I really hope that you are a child or a teenager cause holy shit.
>We already spend more money per person on healthcare and education than any european nation
What in the flying frick are you talking about? You know that ALL Europe has socialized healthcare for EVERYONE, right? Not just 65+ yo on Medicaid? The US are in fact at the very bottom of the list for healthcare spending since it's the only developed country without socialized healthcare. How the FRICK do you not know this you literal child? As for education spending the US are 65th. There are 14 european countries (half) that spend more.
The only budget that tops lists in the US is military.
>What in the flying frick are you talking about? You know that ALL Europe has socialized healthcare for EVERYONE, right?
it's pretty shitty tbh, you had to wait a fricking ton of months to do any analyze of you go to public and it's a lot more safer and faster on the private, i had better medic treatment on colombia than in Spain or UK lel
>of you go to public
if you go to public*
I do not give a single frick about waiting 2 months for a doppler that costs me 0€. Americans can keep their super-deluxe premium express doppler at 47.000$. I' fact, please keep it away from me forever.
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>MUH UNIONS! THEY ARE THE ONLY THING NEEDED!
>WHY ARE BAD COPS NOT FIRED? THEIR UNIONS ARE CORRUPT AND HAVE TOO MUCH POWER!
it's so tiring with you moronic leftist homosexuals
>I'm trans btw
Bit of an overshare but okay bro
The difference between cops and other workers is that when workers have more power it doesn't leads to more deaths and broken families.
it just bankrupts the company by dragging productivity down to zero
Maybe the company should have paid better attention to its working conditions.
Uh, I'm talking about the inability to fire and get rid of useless workers who are always late, break equipment, and are just soup sandwiches.
Name one time that happened
>mob involvement doesn't lead to death
Lmao
It's "tiresome", not "tiring", boomer
Worker unions band together to shield workers from greedy corpos. Police unions band together to shield corrupt cops from the public.
Yeah frick police unions 100%
This! So much this! It is a gift and a blessing to be able to have the ability to help my higherups profit greatly while I make below fifty grand a year which I deserve because they are better than me and I was put on this earth to serve them and help them increase their profits.
You tried too hard with the opening
He's not condoning it, just stating there's no real incentive for a company to listen to unions.
Calm down, incel. Unions aren't inherently good just because it's a union.
they talk like this and then b***h about qualified immunity. ridiculous people. no nuance.
https://mises.org/library/there-no-moral-right-strike
https://pc.blogspot.com/2023/06/the-essence-of-strike-then-is-resort-to.html
If you want an explanation for why most hiring is done with SAG actors. Look at what happened to several of the "actors" who did Power Rangers. Who were often just random sketchy people with no acting experience. Power Ranger actors are fricking bonkers and do weird shit IRL.
Murders isn't exclusive to non union
Unions are just organized labour in the same way companies are organized capital. The laborers come together to scale their combined bargaining power to negotiate in the market. Do you cry about Walmart imposing unfair rental terms with their land lord at the shopping center? No because that's a business negotiation and Walmart had the superior market power. Its the exac t something with labour.
This is why studios should ignore them and hire non union staff.
I mean thats what scabs are. They either do that or just shut down completely. Some companies will pull out of certain markets if the workers unionise. Shits fricked but thats the world.
>No because that's a business negotiation and Walmart had the superior market power.
Market power isn't a fairness metric, often it's the opposite.
> Do you cry about Walmart imposing unfair rental terms with their land lord at the shopping center?
Could you give an example of these unfair rental terms or why they are unfair
i think he meant "unfair" as in as walmart gets a special deal because they bring in so much business that the landlord has an incentive to play nice
Unions are basically just a mob protection racket that that was made legal by the mob
Corporations are bigger mobs.
>I don't really get unions and why companies listen to them.
Well before republicans broke the US economy, not listening to unions used to be illegal. In 1944, the national guard physically removed a plant boss from his office on direct order from FDR and the government seized the plant because the guy refused to acknowledge the legal union of his workers. Things have changed but union-busting is still illegal for now, which means companies cannot break strikes with violence like they used to do, which only leaves negociations with the union.
>Use this as an excuse to ignore them and hire people outside of the unions.
That only works as long as the labor you need isn't skilled labor, which is why most US unions exist in these types of job and why unions for unskilled labor have been mostly broken. You can replace a fruit picker or a cleaning lady very easily, not so easy with a cop, a teacher or a nurse. There is also absolutely nothing preventing that new hire from unionizing themselves, rendering that whole costly process useless. ALSO, in theory you can't fire someone for unionizing which means you can't simply ignore unionized workers as they are still on the payroll. And to cap it up, hiring new workers specifically meant to replace union people (during a strike for exemple) would be straight up illegal in most of the world. Not sure about the US but here in France you'd end up in front of a judge faster than you can say Atlas Shrugged.
moronic eurotrash loves talking about shit it can never understand.
Wow what great arguments you obviously have such a deeper understanding of these things than I do burger-senpai
its always a european talking about american politics like hes an expert. maybe live somewhere before you start badmouthing it you stinky Black.
Maybe formulate a fricking argument
Not his fault americans don't understand their own politics
Low IQ post.
>it's you they need for a livelihood
If the unions don't get their way literally the entirety of film/TV is going to become soulless AI garbage.
Another nail in Hollywoods coffin. No one will notice, no one will care.
Hmm I wonder what overrepresented group of people could be behind all of this infighting and greed.
Oh no, think about the heckin box office bombs we won't be able to laugh at anymore!! Don't you WANT to see ugly black women and lgbtq injected into EVERY show on TV? What will you watch instead goym?
They do, there are no true friendships in Hollywood, only ones of convenience.
It’s been like since the dawn of the film industry.
Unions are corny. They exist to leech off people.
regardless of outcome no humans are harmed in a sag/studio conflict
>The people who do the labor are the ones leeching off the owner of the plant who does absolutely nothing
Tell me you're an american without telling me you're an american
Trade unionism, corporatism and bureaucracy are the same sides of the same coin.
>actor strike
>won't affect big and notable stars
>the people that moved to CA and scrape by being extras and getting small minor roles will be ruined
looks like we're getting a boom in the porn industry, bros
I'm glad these rich liberal writers are striking because maybe studios will start hiring new people that aren't going to virtue signal
Most studios are forbidden from hiring outside the WGA because of previous agreements
jewlywood will die with Cruise and Cameron anyway
If they strike at all it'll just ensure that they'll all get replaced by AI even faster.
I honestly would never have known the writer's strike was happening if it wasn't for Cinemaphile threads about it.
this. Cinemaphile is full of women brains in male bodies
which boards are not /tttt/?
You won't see a knock on effect for a year yet.
No one’s gonna notice at all because modern shows and movies are fricking abysmal.
You mean we won't get more the movies no one wanted to see this year?
can you blame them?
I fricking love watching pedowood collapse. It’s so much more entertaining than anything the industry has put out in decades.
>actors will not able to:
>Film any movie & TV productions
Nice try.
He is unstoppable
BASED they can't stop this man from pursuing his passion
the only actor we need
Evil turns in on itself. It has no master
Nice thread full of morons.
Writers are right to unionize and to refuse getting fricked over. If that means that manchildren will have to wait for their favourite goyslop to consume, that's even better.
No one cares about you.
Most people are suportting the union, if only to see the israelite producers get fricked
Doofus
lmao your hacky israeliterat friends won’t be writing anything but my starbucks order, homosexual. they’re got no leverage, because they’ve got no talent and everyone knows it.
So why are you so desperately waiting for more of their content to watch ?
No one repsects writers in Hollyweird not even the extras or crews. One of the most famous joks is "What did the Polish actress do when she got to Hollywood?"
Yeah, what?
Clean the toilets?
They're right then. Time to earn some respect.
Hollywood "writers" deserve death
I skimmed this article. Apparently, President Nanny wants to strike over forced vax mandates but the majority want it, so it likely won't happen. This is not AI or pay-related.
wait the fricking Nanny is the president of the actors union??
Out of sympathy because she was raped by a couple of Black folk
Accordingly the title she wanted to do that in 2021, didn't she?
Actually, scratch that, I'm moronic. All the Covid stuff is probably only for 2021, another article said the new strike will be about better pay.
people are shitting on her for taking photos with kim k lmao
Press is making it look like strike is imminent
This whole thing seems pretty crazy to me. The reasons for striking seem vague. Something about demanding dignity in the workplace and solidarity with the writers. Are there more clear reasons listed anywhere?
I’ve seen so much going WRONG with Hollywood lately:
>streaming services diluting quality while hiding ratings, in general
>a revolving door of mediocre young talent; no attempt to build star power
>A listers appearing in commercials, REGULARLY
>A listers showing up at conventions (i.e., Christopher fricking LLOYD)
>Hollywood stubbornly casting over-the-hill male actors in action-oriented films
>no pretty starlets out there allowed to just be pretty
>box office bomb after box office bomb
>streaming services bombs, bombs, bombs
The entire industry seems in peril at this point. It’s a crazy time for SAG to decide to strike. What baffles me is the pressure to keep actors away from conventions. Several have come forward to frankly confess they make more money with convention appearances than they do with actually getting paid for their work. I can’t help but think if SAG had the best interests of their talent in mind they wouldn’t cut them off from their fans. It would also play hell with convention revenue. You’ll get a few spazmos prancing around in their cosplay or chucking Magic cards but if there are no television/film celebrities there A LOT of people won’t go.
>>a revolving door of mediocre young talent; no attempt to build star power
i think that's their plan on first place, stars are too expensive and they admit it.
Hollywood stubbornly casting over-the-hill male actors in action-oriented films
that's so funny, i mean 80s old ford punching people is just lame to see, no 80 years old can move like that easly
>box office bomb after box office bomb
>streaming services bombs, bombs, bombs
Reminder that netflix admints that south korea mantain a fricking ton of their public, it seems is a lot cheaper.
>I can’t help but think if SAG had the best interests of their talent in mind they wouldn’t cut them off from their fans. It would also play hell with convention revenue. You’ll get a few spazmos prancing around in their cosplay or chucking Magic cards but if there are no television/film celebrities there A LOT of people won’t go.
It's funny to thing that's hollywood fault that no new talent show up more regularly cuz they shot themselves in the boot
Explain to a moron why shitty writers striking effects actors doing proms or any actual fricking work for that matter?
SAG-AFTRA is the actors guild
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Solution: GET RID OF UNIONS, ALL OF THEM!!!!
Unions are cancer
If they were smart, they would take this time to hire a whole new slew of actors/actresses and writers.
Literally no actor/actress outside the group that was big in the 90s/early 2000s has any star power or pull to want to see their movies outside of Matt Damon/Goose, and the 90s/2000s actors are all old as frick
The writers haven't come out with any original material or franchises in the last 10 years - literally the only big original movies you can think of are either war films or based on books. Hollywood 'writers' can only create cliches of earlier films in the franchise that repeat the whole fricking storyline.
It's a nice dream, but the old money figureheads still have a stranglehold on hollywood. Maybe another 10-15 years from now, and with a good round of anti-trust lawsuits to break up the monopoly, we might start getting original kino once again
I bet you could recast a bunch of superhero characters with YouTube and tiktok stars and no one would give a shit since like Anthony Mackie correctly stated, people are there for the character not the actor. I bet this would even attract more zoomers.
>people are there for the character not the actor.
Anon, don't be dumb. If Chris Evans' Cap was replaced by Mr. Beast cosplaying as Cap most people would be put off.
Anon not all zoomers look like Mr. Beast. I bet they could slot Jake Paul somewhere into a movie and zoomers would watch.
Anon, the point is that they've grown attached to both the character and the actor playing him. If the other two Spider-Men were whatever e-celebs they're into instead of Tobey and Andrew that movie wouldn't have gotten more than 1 billion.
>Anon, the point is that they've grown attached to both the character and the actor playing him
Anon no they haven't. We used to get a new Batman every 3 movies or really back in the day every movie.
Who cares about Hollywood
Cameras aren't expensive I can record my own kinos
Any change is good change. How can you disagree with the state of shit
>mfw I will live to see Hollywood die in my lifetime
>Americans think unions are a scam
>Americans have terrible workers rights
hmmm what a weird coincidence
I get 20 days paid vacation a year, as well as 3 sick days and 3 personal days.
Also we have like 12 holiday days off.
If you work for McDonalds, that sucks for you.
You get more than that if you work for McDonalds in France, sick days are also unlimited as long as a doctor is willing to renew the paperwork and they start paying after 3 days.
If you work in the US, that sucks for you.
Damn I wasn't aware fricking Albion had slightly more paid leave than we did, I thought we were top dog in Europe. Well I guess I'll console myself by thanking the universe once again that at least I'm not some medieval serf like the average american.
How do you scab as an actor? I bet I could handle being a random extra on set
You can't because the actors, writers, directors and teamsters unions all have reciprocal deals that say none of them can work with non-union people
They can work with non-union people, just not scabs during a strike.
These threads are pretty revealing to see how many unironic leftist homosexuals post on Cinemaphile. Unions are for morons and midwits who can’t negotiate for themselves because they have no leverage. Actually skilled and talented people despise unions because they treat all “workers” as the same uniform lump, when it’s actually a tiny % at the top who get all of the competent work done. No one with an IQ over 100 should support this commie horse shit that destroys meritocracy with some vague false sense of “solidarity” and “fairness”. Frick off back to grade school homosexual, this is the real world where you get paid based on results, not your gay little emotional outbursts.
>exploit me harder daddy
pathetic
>protect me union daddy, I can’t recognize when I’m getting exploited in my own fricking contract I agreed to!
Kys subhuman
Union helps you have a better contract before you sign it. This is a dumb argument and misses the point.
Or you could, you know, demand a better contract. But oh I forgot, you’re mediocre at your job and have no leverage.
This. Just look at what the Starbucks union members went on strike over recently. Fricking homosexual flags in their stores. Not higher wages. Not better working conditions. Fricking flags. Unions are a joke just like the people who run them.
What's the deal with these unions?
Unions in my country usually just ask for a bit of your payslip to give you a lawyer and help you with work problems if need be. Maybe occasionally they organise a protest that is completely voluntary to attend.
How are these unions able to control what you say/do? Isn't muttland all about freedom? Why does it matter to the union if you star in a movie?
it's kinda similar on orthers jobs like minners, grossery workers etc etc, but on entertainment like writers and actors seems to be different
anybody who has specific knowledge can fill me in on the ways the state tips the scales in either direction, but there's nothing about collective bargaining that couldn't exist in a fully voluntarist economy. negotiations are a thing, and playing hardball at the risk of hurting yourself is just a part of human psychology. and the dynamics of labor pushing back against management doesn't even rely on the existence of a union to make demands or go on strike. if a company pays shit and treats their emplyees bad, it'll manifest itself through really high turnover, or those signs that they have to shorten hours because "nobody wants to work"
That only works in libertarian fantasy land where workers somehow all have enough financial freedom to hop from job to job or even refuse a contract . In the real world where the rest of us live, most people either work wherever they can or they starve.
all workers deserve fair representation in contract negotiations with employers
unions are necessary
YESSSSS DESTROY YOURSELF HOLLYSNEED
NO MORE MOVIES NO MORE TV, CONSUME THYSELF HOLLYSHIT, ACTORS ARE SCUM WHO ARE BENEATH REAL HUMANS, WRITERS ARE LEGALLY GOBLINS, A CURSE UPON ANYONE WITH ANY ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY AFFILIATION EVEN MERELY BY BLOOD
I WILL SEE LOS ANGELES CONSUMED BY PISS IN MY LIFETIME
I WILL SEE VAGRANT BUMS DEVOUR REESE WITHERSPOON
this is a decent article from the Economist about it. they seem to blame Netflix and HBO but the most interesting thing is seems actors and directors are trying to make side deals. streaming services like Netflix don't give a single frick about picking up much cheaper and more popular foreign programs.
https://archive.is/QTxvO
K content is huge on Netflix 60% of their viewers watch it, 90% of the K romance shows are watched by viewers outside of Korea.
who would have figured women prefer traditional romance with natural gender roles instead of stronk feminist wahmen. women are slowly coming to realize what the Carrie Bradshaw lifestyle leads to.
being a childless middle aged alcoholic cat lady devoid of any human affection.
nobody likes the puerile shit Hollywood is pushing not even women.
not just single womans, moms too a lot, my mom dosen't know shit about asian culture and she see their shows all the time now.
romance and normal gender roles are pretty universal. if you look at most Western shows or movies the majority of the men are weak pussies and the women are masculine.
it's going to take a few studios failing and this current generation to be flushed before execs realize this
>it's going to take a few studios failing and this current generation to be flushed before execs realize this
i mean, talking to people lot younger than my all the media they consume that's not video games or social media is mostly or korean dramas or anime, it seems the case.
yeah this goes for all media. western comics are completely dead, but "comics" sales are rising because everyone's reading manga instead.
It's weird, because there was a time when people defended these things, but the more time passes I see less people defending it or even caring, like Star Wars, nowadays nobody cares about the saga anymore, nor those who defended the new trilogy.
killing these things was part of the plan.
that's mostly what they watch. it's the same way with print media.
>print media is dead
but Manga sales are exploding.
I work around youths for my job and something called Demon Slayer seems to be popular. it's like anime manga. Dragon Ball is still pretty popular. I don't know I never really got into all that
>Demon Slayer
Did you know that Demon Slayer outsold the entire comic book industry?
I had no idea but I've seen quite of few kids reading it or wearing the merch and they talk about it.
>Netflix 60% of their viewers watch it
Don't get carried away, the figure is 60% of Netflix subs HAVE watched A piece of K content. And for most of those 60%, I'm willing to bet I know the title of the content in question.
Hollywood has already shown they are willing to remove streamed content completely to avoid paying royalties and we will see more of that if writers and actors get more of a cut of that.
Streaming will soon mirror theaters. It will only be on their platform for as long as it profits them then cut it out after a couple of weeks.
they won't recover
Good. Hollywood has served its purpose. It exists only now as global satan's propaganda engine.
They should be able to attend conventions. That’s ridiculous to pressure them not to. These are people. They have fans. Plus dropping SDCC will be a major blow to their income. It will also ruin the convention.
They can't help themselves; it's their nature
Do you think Hollywood, which is almost all leftist israelites and the striking actors and writers, almost all leftist israelites will advocate for outsourcing and more international workers like they do every other industry? Strange how this is the one industry that they so heavily fight against that.
Will this strike increase or decrease movie nudity?
I just rewatched this Extras episode yesterday and couldn't stop laughing - easily my favorite celebrity appearance.
I'm sorry you're brown anon.
Just keep watching your own movies in Bollywood.
diversity hires don't understand dei money is running out
it's a modern Court of Nobles. Of course they're all back stabbers.
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>yfw voice actors get fricked too by being in SAG
Western "Voice actors" more than deserve it. Old VAs had great range and knew how to emote, but these homosexuals only know "the anime voice" and nothing else.
That's the best part, all these dub watching tranime weebs are about to be flushed out because their way of watching tranime will be crippled, especially Netflix which uses SAG talent. All they'll have are the non-uniozed hacks still in Texas, assuming they haven't fricked off to LA.
That’s not even the worst of it. We no longer have voice actors with any range. One of the last that comes to mind is C. Martin Croker, and he died over six years ago. Now it seems you can watch any American animation on television and clearly recognize the same in-crowd of actors doing the same voices over and over again. It’s like they’re not even trying.
I hate hollywood