My main gripe are the blue smurf zombies, they could have done better. Some of the gore/effects are kinda bad, like that sixhead zombie that gets its skullkap removed by the helicopter blades looks ridiculous. Also the clothes of the zombies are in prestine condition even days/weeks later.
Fulci zombie makeup is goat, too bad his movies are moronic.
Yes, that's the appeal, that it's low budget, made by a bunch of people who used their friends etc. and still somehow made a compelling and unique movie. It's not like your homosexual capeshit who hire thousands of chinks to make le epic cool CGI trash.
In what ways is it better? It completely strips the film of any depth and turns a film that was actually about humanity adapting to change into horror action for 18 year old males
The grimdark violence in the 2004 film is bland and uninteresting fare like in all Snyder slop. You can find it in any shit like The Walking Dead or World War Z. Again, you're better suited to junk for morons like video games and Zack Snyder.
>The grimdark violence in the 2004 film is bland and uninteresting fare like in all Snyder slop.
No it's actually really good here. >You can find it in any shit like The Walking Dead or World War Z
No because the walking dead uses slow zombies and wwz has no blood.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the walking dead uses slow zombies and wwz has no blood
Ok, I'm just watching these as films, you're watching them from some zombie nerd perspective that I don't care about.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Ok, I'm just watching these as films
So am I. >you're watching them from some zombie nerd perspective that I don't care about.
There's nothing else to view them as besides fun zombie movies.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I have zero time for some pleb who thinks Romero's film and Snyder or World War Z can be thrown in the same bucket of 'fun zombie movies'
9 months ago
Anonymous
Then go stick it up your ass, and bye the way you're the one who brought up the wwz comparison not me.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Dawn of the Dead
fun? maybe. good? definitely. zombie? yes >Dawn of the Dead Remake
fun? sure. good? no. zombie? not really because they're fast >World War Z
fun? no. good? no. zombie? maybe on paper
9 months ago
Anonymous
>zombie? not really because they're fast
Why does that disqualify them as zombies?
9 months ago
Anonymous
zombies are walking corpses, not running methheads
9 months ago
Anonymous
They can be running corpses as well.
9 months ago
Anonymous
a decaying dead body would not be able to run like that
9 months ago
Anonymous
But what if it's freshly killed? Also if we get in the nitty gritty details like this well have to come to terms with the fact that zombies are unrealistic for many reasons.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Also if we get in the nitty gritty details like this well have to come to terms with the fact that zombies are unrealistic for many reasons.
Sure, but if we're to accept the premise that they are rotting, dead bodies, they would not be able to run because their weak bones and flesh would not be able to sustain trauma like that. You can make a film about running "zombie" creatures like that, suffering from a rabies like disease or something which was popular for a number of years, but, in my honest imo, it's not zombies.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ok but then we go back to my first comment "what if they're freshly killed" or what if you have the zombies mutate a bit?
9 months ago
Anonymous
If they're freshly killed, maybe they could run for a bit, to me it still wouldn't really make sense as they are literally dead, but yeah maybe they can run for like a day, that still means Dawn of the Dead remake doesn't make sense. Mutating a bit wouldn't happen in dead flesh as there is only decay and not adaption.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>yeah maybe they can run for like a day
Good enough for me, I was on your ass about this because I think the perfect zombie story should incorporate both running and walk zombies in that manner. >it still wouldn't really make sense as they are literally dead
It would make as much sense as their brain continuing function after the started rotting. >Mutating a bit wouldn't happen in dead flesh as there is only decay and not adaption.
Ok, this is a scenario that mostly happens in video games.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Mutating a bit wouldn't happen in dead flesh as there is only decay and not adaption. >Ok, this is a scenario that mostly happens in video games.
I haven't played much zombie video games, but what you're saying makes me think if Left 4 Dead in which it was portrayed as a viral infection and not as walking corpses
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was thinking of residents evil which I realize has walking zombies but they mutate into lickers so I was thinking if that can happen why not running zombies.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Zombies really only make sense in a magical way. If we go by your rules they'd be consumed by maggots and other carrion eaters.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Zombies really only make sense in a magical way
I accept your argument, but I will say this: even if this is just my personal opinion, I think that the premise of the zombie apocalypse was laid quite soundly to mean slow-walking corpses who, in a one on one fight is not dangerous, easilly picked off from a distance, but become very dangerous if you become crowded by them. Now, while the concept of similar creatures who are enraged and fast works well if that's the purpose, I think it's such a different scenario from the originally imagined zombie apocalypse that it is no longer the same thing.
People didn't like Day because they considered it too dark and mean-spirited.
Like
Return is the "fun" zombie movie with loads of style, Day is more serious and better written with great characters and casting. Both have their place to me, though I give the edge to Day overall.
points out, Return is considered "fun" but after the zombies summon first responders for like the third time just to eat them, I thought to myself "this isn't fun at all".
I feel like I was sold an entirely different kind of movie. I expect my horror comedy to be more like Evil Dead or Re-Animator, not whatever the hell Return of the Living Dead is supposed to be.
Return is the "fun" zombie movie with loads of style, Day is more serious and better written with great characters and casting. Both have their place to me, though I give the edge to Day overall.
>Return is the "fun" zombie movie
In some way is the darkest.
Romero focuses on the living. "Humans are dicks".
Return says "Death is inevitable" and implies you are SO wrong in fetishizing it.
Watching it again in the modern age, it has too much of a 60s civil rights slant to it that I find distasteful.
Day has racist characters but it at least feels inconsequential.
It's about a black guy paired up with a white woman in a house surrounded by white zombies that do all but burn a cross in the yard, convincing a stubborn white man to leave the basement to join his lead and ascend higher.
At the end, a bunch of rednecks come and undo any progress they made.
According to Romero, the character was written as a white character, and when a black actor auditioned for it and they liked his performance they hired him and didn't think that mattered so they kept the character just as he was written before that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
He claims that but then each movie in the trilogy happens to star a black hero
9 months ago
Anonymous
The pilot in Day is not the main character by any stretch of the imagination.
9 months ago
Anonymous
He just dere to fly de whirlybird mon
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Jesus, Mary, and Joseph
9 months ago
Anonymous
He's seen as the voice of reason with a whole extended monologue and convinces the white woman protagonist to go to an island and repopulate the earth with him
That's literally what you decide to see in it because Romero denied everything about what you said. I never saw it in that way and Romero and the black actor playing Ben got really annoyed because of this view.
And of course there's influences from the era's that the movies are made in, that's a given. You could say that Vincent Price's Last man on earth is about civil rights movement if you decide to see it in that way. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
It only has a civil rights slant because people are looking for it when they see a black guy in a movie. In every interview I've seen with Romero, he says they only cast Duane as the main character because he was by far the best actor in their circle, there was no thought in making a social statement. NOTLD would probably be mocked as a 'bad 60's horror movie' if they'd cast any of the other actors from the film as the main character.
One piece of trivia I've always thought was interesting about NOTLD: the sheriff that's interviewed throughout the movie was one of the better actors. He was just a the owner of a car dealership or something in Pittsburgh with no acting experience, and he ad libbed most of his lines, including the classic "they're dead alright...they're all messed up."
This is correct.
Romero: >When we made the first print of the movie, we heard, driving in the car, the news on the radio that Martin Luther King had been assassinated. >Now all of a sudden it was a black film, even though when Jack Russo and I wrote the script, the character in the script, we assumed him to be white. >When Duane agreed to play the role, we didn't change the script. The same things would have happened to him if the actor had been white. The fact fact that these redneck posse guys shot him, that became racial instead of just a mistaken identity, which is really what we intended.
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO? IS ANYONE THERE?
Remake is boring. Original has this unique atmosphere that makes you feel like the world is really ending. There are also all those cool tv scenes with scientists.
>Original has this unique atmosphere that makes you feel like the world is really ending.
The remake had this as well it just hit a little different because it was 04 instead of the 70s and the zombies were more threatening.
Do they talk about nuking all big cities in the remake? I watched it a long time ago and I don't remember much. I think there was a zombie baby? And the opening was really good.
No they didn't. That's something that was a bit better in the original but they did have scenes were people on the news would talk about the event and in their own way they established that the world was fricked.
>the zombies were more threatening.
That's the whole point of both Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead though, the zombies aren't really that big of a threat themselves, but the way society collapses because of it is. In Night of the Living Dead every single death except the first exposition interaction with the zombies is caused by other people, not by zombies. Making the zombies a real threat by themselves takes away the entire concept behind Romero's zombie films.
>That's the whole point of both Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead though, the zombies aren't really that big of a threat themselves, but the way society collapses because of it is.
But the collapse of civilization is supposed to be caused by the zombies so they are supposed to be a threat.
>But the collapse of civilization is supposed to be caused by the zombies so they are supposed to be a threat.
it's caused by people freaking the frick out. in the first movie once they get organized the posses wipe out the zombies in a few days
People didn't seem that disorganized. I mean you had those redneck cooperating with the military and yet the situation just kept getting worse.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>People didn't seem that disorganized
The movie spends the entire introduction showing you how the media has decayed into chaos and how the police is losing control over it's own forces trying to control the situation. The rednecks are the contrast to that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The movie spends the entire introduction showing you how the media has decayed into chaos and how the police is losing control over it's own forces trying to control the situation
So what? I'm not seeing anything that would cause society to collapse the way it did. The situation should have handled about as quickly as it was in Night of the living dead.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Your problem is not that you don't understand the film, it's just that you for some moronic reason refuse to accept the premise the film is laying out
9 months ago
Anonymous
Don't gimme that bullshit. I understand the film but I'm not buying this scenario where people went mad over zombies even though they pose such a little threat to the point they couldn't even threaten their society with the people doing all the work for them.
9 months ago
Anonymous
You not buying the scenario is fine, you can call it a shit scenario, but what you're trying to do is to say that the premise laid out by the film is not actually what is happening
9 months ago
Anonymous
>but what you're trying to do is to say that the premise laid out by the film is not actually what is happening
When the frick did I say that?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>So what? I'm not seeing anything that would cause society to collapse the way it did.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Anon I'm talking about why I'm not buying this scenario I'm not acting like that's not what happened in the movie.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I disagree
9 months ago
Anonymous
Disagree with want, that I'm not talking about how I'm not buying this scenario or that I'm wrong for thinking that way?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>want
What
9 months ago
Anonymous
I disagree with you not trying to argue the plot of the film. I am fine with you not accepting the premise, but that is not the point you have argued
9 months ago
Anonymous
>but that is not the point you have argued
Yes I did, if "arguing with the plot" means that I didn't believe that the things that happened in the movie actually happened then no I never argued that. This whole conversation started with me talking about how I think some parts of the remake are better because I thought it was more believable that society would collapse with running zombies.
9 months ago
Anonymous
And you're arguing that society did not collapse the way the film tells you it did because "they didn't seem that disorganized"
9 months ago
Anonymous
No I'm arguing that it wouldn't.
9 months ago
Anonymous
That's what I said
9 months ago
Anonymous
No you're saying that I said that it didn't collapse while I'm saying it shouldn't have collapsed.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe, but I'm drunk
9 months ago
Anonymous
Well I'm high and there's no maybe with me so I win.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I was gonna say maybe you're cool, but your attitude has made me take it back
>the zombies were more threatening.
That's the whole point of both Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead though, the zombies aren't really that big of a threat themselves, but the way society collapses because of it is. In Night of the Living Dead every single death except the first exposition interaction with the zombies is caused by other people, not by zombies. Making the zombies a real threat by themselves takes away the entire concept behind Romero's zombie films.
This anon is correct. I also recommend Crazies, which isn't a zombie film, but it emphasises a lot of the same ideas that are in Dawn further, sans the consumerism angle.
Honestly I have seen Dawn several times over the years but it wasn't until I watched Crazies I understood what the hell the whole housing project sequence was all about. Or maybe it was just the pandemic lockdowns.
For me, it's "I'M RUNNIN THIS MONKEY FARM FRANKENSTEIN, AND I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE FRICK YOU'RE DOING WITH MY TIME!!!"
Although I get that it may not be iconic.
I think the best "Romero" film that isn't Romero is actually Shaun of the Dead, because even if it's a very silly film it captures that same point of the real threat being how people react to a zombie apocalypse and the stupid mistakes they make
The 1977 Pittsburgh winter atmosphere in the original Dawn is perhaps the most cozy ever put to film.
The can-do spirit of those early Romero productions are truly wonderful. I think his golden era of films are elevated when reading about the productions and crews behind them, which you can't say about a lot of movies.
It is overrated as frick. A fantastic idea, but terrible execution. I actually cannot believe how boring it is. How do they take such a good idea and make such a boring film out of it? As shitty as the remake was, at least I wasn't falling asleep watching it. Night of the Living Dead was the superior film by a mile.
The original zombie in Night of the Living Dead was pretty quick. Most zombies in the Romero movies were rather slow but not all of them. Also that first zombie used a brick to smash a window and the little girl zombie used a spade to stab her mother death. In Dawn a few zombies use tools or are mentioned using tools.
>In Dawn a few zombies use tools or are mentioned using tools.
My favorite was this guy who just kept holding the m16 that he took from that blonde guy.
Yeah and the timeline they take place differs on the movie. I think Dawn takes place several weeks after Night, but Day is more up the in air since everyone by this point lost track of time
I don't hate Dawn or anything but I definitely feel it's overrated. It's my least favorite of the trilogy and there are a multitude of zombie films that I think are superior.
It's pretty crazy when you think about it how the opening manages to vividly depict the collapse of civilization and set the mood and the atmosphere of the movie without actually showing undead or violence.
I really liked Land’s aesthetic and feel, anything else like it? I got kinda close with the video game, Fiddler’s Green but Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners nails it harder I think. As for movies I can only really think of that zombie Romeo and Juliet one that was ass.
What else do I watch after the trilogy and the remakes?
I’ve already seen Return which was fricking hilarious but also somehow made me feel intense dread for a bit. Are the Return sequels any good? I’ve also seen that “”””sequel”””” for Night but I can only remember the necrophiliac morgue chick.
Zombie 2 flesh eater, the story isn't all that good but it has some good zombie sequences and a great soundtrack.
I feel like I’ve seen this a long time ago, did it come with an English dub or was it all Italian?
Speaking of childhood, I’m quite embarrassed to say but I quite enjoyed Uwe Boll’s THOTD when I was young, idk how well that holds up on a second watch.
Braindead
Cemetery Man
Zombi 2
Train to Busan
The Sadness
I Am a Hero
Re-Animator(Dunno if you can consider it a Zombie movie but its about reanimated dead people)
Fido
Return of the Living Dead 3 (2 just tries to recreate 1 but worse. 3 has an original premise)
>I am A Hero
Is this legit? The manga is one of my favorite reads of all time up until that bizarre ending, and how much does the movie cover? >reanimator
I watched the first one a month ago, had a lot of fun, great practical effects and frickin immaculate breasts from the main girl, are the sequels any good?
Braindead
Cemetery Man
Zombi 2
Train to Busan
The Sadness
I Am a Hero
Re-Animator(Dunno if you can consider it a Zombie movie but its about reanimated dead people)
Fido
Return of the Living Dead 3 (2 just tries to recreate 1 but worse. 3 has an original premise)
Thanks, never heard of this.
[...] >I am A Hero
Is this legit? The manga is one of my favorite reads of all time up until that bizarre ending, and how much does the movie cover? >reanimator
I watched the first one a month ago, had a lot of fun, great practical effects and frickin immaculate breasts from the main girl, are the sequels any good?
If we're recommending manga then I might as well shout out a series called "In a world filled with zombies, I'm the only one they won't attack".
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this the one where the protag is a sex pest? He rapes normal girls and zombie girls? And then the author fricking ran out of ideas or some shit and killed the series?
How much you enjoy Dawn of the Dead I think also largely depends on which cut you watch. I don't care for the theatrical one, but I do like some of the other cuts, this one being my favorite:
It is so good, I often leave it on in the background while I'm doing other tasks at my computer
Can't thank you enough for posting this. Its been like 16 years since I was really into DotD and I wasn't aware of this new cut, I've only seen the US theatrical and Argento cuts. Definitely watching this one later. Looks like a 1080p copy is on archive dot org.
Oh my yes, the Mall has the Goblin music this one the eerie american cut one.
Oh well, another version to enjoy I guess.
Thanks anon. This was a nice little present.
I don't know if the other anon was asking the same question but, is this the Extended Mall Hours cut? If that's what he was referring to by mall cut then I apologize for being a redundant nonce.
I like how amateur the camerawork is in Dawn of the Dead. It makes it feel a lot more realistic. Camerawork in movies today feel more sterile and fake. Takes me out of most of them very fast
Its funny in Dawn they get so upset about destroying the ´bodies cause of "human dignity"
At the start of covid they put people died of covid into hermetically sealed containers and then burned them all cause they thought covid would get into the ground water or something lol
>At the start of covid they put people died of covid into hermetically sealed containers and then burned them all cause they thought covid would get into the ground water or something lol
Seriously? Damn that's fricked up. If it was some world ending super virus I'd get it but it was fricking Covid
In Dawn, the problem was civilians not wanting to follow government protocol of either burning the bodies or handing them over to the National Guard. Civilians being unwilling to attack their zombie family members, or not giving them proper burials, ended up accelerating the zombie problem to the point of total collapse of society
The government is always content to stick people in sealed containers or whatever else, but the same can't be said for the civilian population, who understandably don't trust the government
Day of the Dead is underrated. I especially love the character of Captain Rhodes, who just seems like a dick for most of the movie because you're following the perspective of the scientists, but he's just a guy who inherited command of a shit mission that's clearly a waste of time and resources, given by a government that doesn't exist anymore. The guy just wants to tell the scientists to go frick themselves and get out of that hole in the ground.
And he was right the whole time, except for maybe when he tried to leave the scientists to die at the end and shooting one in the head. Dr. Frankenstein (I just remember the nickname Rhode's gave him) was just fricking around that entire time and dissecting his mens' bodies for zombie food. He had gone certifiably crazy and even though he learned how to 'train' the zombies, it wasn't very practical or valuable since there were millions of them.
it's the kind of research you might do if you had established some sort of self-sufficient community with a modicum of predictability. under the circumstances they were in it was moronic
The recorder Dr.Frankenstein was using had some really unsettling stuff in it. Apparently he was physically abused by his family and now he's fully mental, re-creating some of the beatings he received on the reanimated corpses
Day of the Dead had such an excellent OST. It is hard to forget that repeating "Da dum... da dum... da dum... 'Helloooo?!' " at the start of the movie.
Yeah, John's grim synth really made those nu-Halloween movies worth seeing all by itself, just to listen to it in a theater. This track startled me real bad the first time I heard it at the movies. It cut right through me.
You appreciate those heavy synth beats all the more when you see trailers for horror movies like Demeter that is playing 90s rock and it sounds so wildly out of place
zombie fans really do get uppity for some reason.
surprising how good this is. if its you who always posts this link in zombie movie threads then thank you, keep up the good work
Haha yeah, that's me posting the vinyl Day of the Dead OST link if I catch a Romero/zombie thread. I'll keep it up, thanks! Good tunes really enriches the spooky experience
This is part of what makes it one of my favorite movies to put on at night to fall asleep to. The music is so easy on the ears and the highlight of most of the film is the dialogue, so you can just listen and doze off.
And your gay
My gay what?
>mid
homosexual.
>how DARE you insult muh heckin progressive zombie movie!!!!
>progressive
so you aren't judging this movie on its own merits.
Gotcha.
Filtered
You're a midwit
My main gripe are the blue smurf zombies, they could have done better. Some of the gore/effects are kinda bad, like that sixhead zombie that gets its skullkap removed by the helicopter blades looks ridiculous. Also the clothes of the zombies are in prestine condition even days/weeks later.
Fulci zombie makeup is goat, too bad his movies are moronic.
I like blue zombies, its a cool stylized choice.
>its a cool stylized choice.
It wasn't on purpose , they were grey but the film it was shot on made them look blue.
same, it makes them look sickly, find it more disturbing than realistic rotting flesh decomposition of modern zombies
the problem is that in a lot of cases they didn't do the makeup that well so you can see their ears and necks in regular skin
Yes, that's the appeal, that it's low budget, made by a bunch of people who used their friends etc. and still somehow made a compelling and unique movie. It's not like your homosexual capeshit who hire thousands of chinks to make le epic cool CGI trash.
Remake is better.
In some way yes in others no.
In what ways is it better? It completely strips the film of any depth and turns a film that was actually about humanity adapting to change into horror action for 18 year old males
Original dawn of the dead didnt have any depth, only brainlets think its more than just zombie shlock.
>lol consumerism lmao!
It's not about consumerism, dumbfrick
Whatever depth the original had wasn't it's selling point, it was about an interesting premise and it's excursion.
It’s in absolutely no way better than the original you gamer moron
The way people get killed by zombies is much less ridiculous in the remake.
The grimdark violence in the 2004 film is bland and uninteresting fare like in all Snyder slop. You can find it in any shit like The Walking Dead or World War Z. Again, you're better suited to junk for morons like video games and Zack Snyder.
>The grimdark violence in the 2004 film is bland and uninteresting fare like in all Snyder slop.
No it's actually really good here.
>You can find it in any shit like The Walking Dead or World War Z
No because the walking dead uses slow zombies and wwz has no blood.
>the walking dead uses slow zombies and wwz has no blood
Ok, I'm just watching these as films, you're watching them from some zombie nerd perspective that I don't care about.
>Ok, I'm just watching these as films
So am I.
>you're watching them from some zombie nerd perspective that I don't care about.
There's nothing else to view them as besides fun zombie movies.
I have zero time for some pleb who thinks Romero's film and Snyder or World War Z can be thrown in the same bucket of 'fun zombie movies'
Then go stick it up your ass, and bye the way you're the one who brought up the wwz comparison not me.
>Dawn of the Dead
fun? maybe. good? definitely. zombie? yes
>Dawn of the Dead Remake
fun? sure. good? no. zombie? not really because they're fast
>World War Z
fun? no. good? no. zombie? maybe on paper
>zombie? not really because they're fast
Why does that disqualify them as zombies?
zombies are walking corpses, not running methheads
They can be running corpses as well.
a decaying dead body would not be able to run like that
But what if it's freshly killed? Also if we get in the nitty gritty details like this well have to come to terms with the fact that zombies are unrealistic for many reasons.
>Also if we get in the nitty gritty details like this well have to come to terms with the fact that zombies are unrealistic for many reasons.
Sure, but if we're to accept the premise that they are rotting, dead bodies, they would not be able to run because their weak bones and flesh would not be able to sustain trauma like that. You can make a film about running "zombie" creatures like that, suffering from a rabies like disease or something which was popular for a number of years, but, in my honest imo, it's not zombies.
Ok but then we go back to my first comment "what if they're freshly killed" or what if you have the zombies mutate a bit?
If they're freshly killed, maybe they could run for a bit, to me it still wouldn't really make sense as they are literally dead, but yeah maybe they can run for like a day, that still means Dawn of the Dead remake doesn't make sense. Mutating a bit wouldn't happen in dead flesh as there is only decay and not adaption.
>yeah maybe they can run for like a day
Good enough for me, I was on your ass about this because I think the perfect zombie story should incorporate both running and walk zombies in that manner.
>it still wouldn't really make sense as they are literally dead
It would make as much sense as their brain continuing function after the started rotting.
>Mutating a bit wouldn't happen in dead flesh as there is only decay and not adaption.
Ok, this is a scenario that mostly happens in video games.
>Mutating a bit wouldn't happen in dead flesh as there is only decay and not adaption.
>Ok, this is a scenario that mostly happens in video games.
I haven't played much zombie video games, but what you're saying makes me think if Left 4 Dead in which it was portrayed as a viral infection and not as walking corpses
I was thinking of residents evil which I realize has walking zombies but they mutate into lickers so I was thinking if that can happen why not running zombies.
Zombies really only make sense in a magical way. If we go by your rules they'd be consumed by maggots and other carrion eaters.
>Zombies really only make sense in a magical way
I accept your argument, but I will say this: even if this is just my personal opinion, I think that the premise of the zombie apocalypse was laid quite soundly to mean slow-walking corpses who, in a one on one fight is not dangerous, easilly picked off from a distance, but become very dangerous if you become crowded by them. Now, while the concept of similar creatures who are enraged and fast works well if that's the purpose, I think it's such a different scenario from the originally imagined zombie apocalypse that it is no longer the same thing.
I hate running zombies that are constantly having a spaz fit.
I hate when they hiss and growl.
Not actually a remake. Has totally different characters and plot. The only thing thats the same is the mall setting and the zombies.
Yeah, zombie 2 is better though.
Stylistically better, too bad the story is moronic like all Fulci movies, but yeah Zombi2 is one of his least moronic movies.
Dawn is overrated but pic related is the best zombie movie ever. Fight me.
Day and Return are the two best to me, followed by Zombi 2
It's kind of ironic, but I actually dislike Return largely for the same reasons most people didn't like Day when it came out.
>but I actually dislike Return largely for the same reasons most people didn't like Day when it came out.
and that is?
People didn't like Day because they considered it too dark and mean-spirited.
Like
points out, Return is considered "fun" but after the zombies summon first responders for like the third time just to eat them, I thought to myself "this isn't fun at all".
I feel like I was sold an entirely different kind of movie. I expect my horror comedy to be more like Evil Dead or Re-Animator, not whatever the hell Return of the Living Dead is supposed to be.
Return is a party movie like Night of the Demons. It's not something to take too seriously, just something you'd watch with a group of friends.
Return is the "fun" zombie movie with loads of style, Day is more serious and better written with great characters and casting. Both have their place to me, though I give the edge to Day overall.
>Return is the "fun" zombie movie
In some way is the darkest.
Romero focuses on the living. "Humans are dicks".
Return says "Death is inevitable" and implies you are SO wrong in fetishizing it.
Death is inevitable, but not death by being eaten
You will ultimately be nuked, so to speak
Probably not, I will most likely die of a heart attack
Probably me too, all males in my family, both sides (mom and dad) die like that.
Oh, well.
It was metaphorical. The nuke is the end.
Night is better and still the best zombie movie to this day
Watching it again in the modern age, it has too much of a 60s civil rights slant to it that I find distasteful.
Day has racist characters but it at least feels inconsequential.
>it has too much of a 60s civil rights slant to it that I find distasteful.
Because there's a black guy who's actually intelligent in it?
It's about a black guy paired up with a white woman in a house surrounded by white zombies that do all but burn a cross in the yard, convincing a stubborn white man to leave the basement to join his lead and ascend higher.
At the end, a bunch of rednecks come and undo any progress they made.
According to Romero, the character was written as a white character, and when a black actor auditioned for it and they liked his performance they hired him and didn't think that mattered so they kept the character just as he was written before that.
He claims that but then each movie in the trilogy happens to star a black hero
The pilot in Day is not the main character by any stretch of the imagination.
He just dere to fly de whirlybird mon
>Jesus, Mary, and Joseph
He's seen as the voice of reason with a whole extended monologue and convinces the white woman protagonist to go to an island and repopulate the earth with him
>paired up with a white woman
Paired up is a strong word, it's more like she was just kinda there among other people.
That's literally what you decide to see in it because Romero denied everything about what you said. I never saw it in that way and Romero and the black actor playing Ben got really annoyed because of this view.
And of course there's influences from the era's that the movies are made in, that's a given. You could say that Vincent Price's Last man on earth is about civil rights movement if you decide to see it in that way. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
It only has a civil rights slant because people are looking for it when they see a black guy in a movie. In every interview I've seen with Romero, he says they only cast Duane as the main character because he was by far the best actor in their circle, there was no thought in making a social statement. NOTLD would probably be mocked as a 'bad 60's horror movie' if they'd cast any of the other actors from the film as the main character.
One piece of trivia I've always thought was interesting about NOTLD: the sheriff that's interviewed throughout the movie was one of the better actors. He was just a the owner of a car dealership or something in Pittsburgh with no acting experience, and he ad libbed most of his lines, including the classic "they're dead alright...they're all messed up."
Also OP is a homosexual.
This is correct.
Romero:
>When we made the first print of the movie, we heard, driving in the car, the news on the radio that Martin Luther King had been assassinated.
>Now all of a sudden it was a black film, even though when Jack Russo and I wrote the script, the character in the script, we assumed him to be white.
>When Duane agreed to play the role, we didn't change the script. The same things would have happened to him if the actor had been white. The fact fact that these redneck posse guys shot him, that became racial instead of just a mistaken identity, which is really what we intended.
Don't you have an Alien 3 thread to be making, moron?
Day is great, but it's not a great zombie film in the way that Night and Dawn are, it's more of a scifi film
Yeah, CHOKE ON EM!
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO? IS ANYONE THERE?
No.
Reminder that Rhodes did nothing wrong until the hack Romero decided to character assassinate him in the last few scenes.
>they hated him because he spoke the truth
>Real brothers... or street brothers?
Lmao who wrote this shit
it came out back when every white person wasnt a wigger
It's a great movie, so is Night of the Living Dead. Day of the Dead is very good too but that's another type of film.
Remake is boring. Original has this unique atmosphere that makes you feel like the world is really ending. There are also all those cool tv scenes with scientists.
I like the scene with the rednecks making a day out of it
>Original has this unique atmosphere that makes you feel like the world is really ending.
The remake had this as well it just hit a little different because it was 04 instead of the 70s and the zombies were more threatening.
Do they talk about nuking all big cities in the remake? I watched it a long time ago and I don't remember much. I think there was a zombie baby? And the opening was really good.
No they didn't. That's something that was a bit better in the original but they did have scenes were people on the news would talk about the event and in their own way they established that the world was fricked.
>That's the whole point of both Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead though, the zombies aren't really that big of a threat themselves, but the way society collapses because of it is.
But the collapse of civilization is supposed to be caused by the zombies so they are supposed to be a threat.
>But the collapse of civilization is supposed to be caused by the zombies so they are supposed to be a threat.
it's caused by people freaking the frick out. in the first movie once they get organized the posses wipe out the zombies in a few days
People didn't seem that disorganized. I mean you had those redneck cooperating with the military and yet the situation just kept getting worse.
>People didn't seem that disorganized
The movie spends the entire introduction showing you how the media has decayed into chaos and how the police is losing control over it's own forces trying to control the situation. The rednecks are the contrast to that.
>The movie spends the entire introduction showing you how the media has decayed into chaos and how the police is losing control over it's own forces trying to control the situation
So what? I'm not seeing anything that would cause society to collapse the way it did. The situation should have handled about as quickly as it was in Night of the living dead.
Your problem is not that you don't understand the film, it's just that you for some moronic reason refuse to accept the premise the film is laying out
Don't gimme that bullshit. I understand the film but I'm not buying this scenario where people went mad over zombies even though they pose such a little threat to the point they couldn't even threaten their society with the people doing all the work for them.
You not buying the scenario is fine, you can call it a shit scenario, but what you're trying to do is to say that the premise laid out by the film is not actually what is happening
>but what you're trying to do is to say that the premise laid out by the film is not actually what is happening
When the frick did I say that?
>So what? I'm not seeing anything that would cause society to collapse the way it did.
Anon I'm talking about why I'm not buying this scenario I'm not acting like that's not what happened in the movie.
I disagree
Disagree with want, that I'm not talking about how I'm not buying this scenario or that I'm wrong for thinking that way?
>want
What
I disagree with you not trying to argue the plot of the film. I am fine with you not accepting the premise, but that is not the point you have argued
>but that is not the point you have argued
Yes I did, if "arguing with the plot" means that I didn't believe that the things that happened in the movie actually happened then no I never argued that. This whole conversation started with me talking about how I think some parts of the remake are better because I thought it was more believable that society would collapse with running zombies.
And you're arguing that society did not collapse the way the film tells you it did because "they didn't seem that disorganized"
No I'm arguing that it wouldn't.
That's what I said
No you're saying that I said that it didn't collapse while I'm saying it shouldn't have collapsed.
Maybe, but I'm drunk
Well I'm high and there's no maybe with me so I win.
I was gonna say maybe you're cool, but your attitude has made me take it back
Why? I was being sarcastic.
Use the sarcasm font next time
>the zombies were more threatening.
That's the whole point of both Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead though, the zombies aren't really that big of a threat themselves, but the way society collapses because of it is. In Night of the Living Dead every single death except the first exposition interaction with the zombies is caused by other people, not by zombies. Making the zombies a real threat by themselves takes away the entire concept behind Romero's zombie films.
This anon is correct. I also recommend Crazies, which isn't a zombie film, but it emphasises a lot of the same ideas that are in Dawn further, sans the consumerism angle.
Honestly I have seen Dawn several times over the years but it wasn't until I watched Crazies I understood what the hell the whole housing project sequence was all about. Or maybe it was just the pandemic lockdowns.
>Crazies
It would have been better if it was just infectious mental illness, without the virus angle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania
I don't think it'd made that much of a difference, it being a virus at least gave the government a plot reason to get involved immediately.
Filtered? Many such cases
fr fr ong? no cap mid?
End your life.
NotLD remake is underrated.
The 2008 Day remake makes the Night remake look like a masterpiece
No, I mean in absolute terms.
Agreed.
Which one?
It changes things and zombies are very well made.
>it's mid
Just like your grandma's gumjobs.
Your grandma gave me a gumjob this morning
Shit, you need to bring up your standards a bit.
>when's there no more room in hell the dead will walk the Earth
Blue Man Group was around in '78?
I got filtered HARD by the pie fight.
Is there a more iconic line in horror? Maybe "your mother sucks wieners in hell", but it doesn't have the same resonance.
For me, it's "I'M RUNNIN THIS MONKEY FARM FRANKENSTEIN, AND I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE FRICK YOU'RE DOING WITH MY TIME!!!"
Although I get that it may not be iconic.
they're coming to get you barbara
That's definitely a good one. I love seeing him blow up at this stupid old kook treating him like a pissant.
I think the best "Romero" film that isn't Romero is actually Shaun of the Dead, because even if it's a very silly film it captures that same point of the real threat being how people react to a zombie apocalypse and the stupid mistakes they make
The 1977 Pittsburgh winter atmosphere in the original Dawn is perhaps the most cozy ever put to film.
The can-do spirit of those early Romero productions are truly wonderful. I think his golden era of films are elevated when reading about the productions and crews behind them, which you can't say about a lot of movies.
Great film.
Agreed
It is overrated as frick. A fantastic idea, but terrible execution. I actually cannot believe how boring it is. How do they take such a good idea and make such a boring film out of it? As shitty as the remake was, at least I wasn't falling asleep watching it. Night of the Living Dead was the superior film by a mile.
Speaking of running zombies does anyone remember that the original had them as well, pic related.
I always thought that was more a case of kids being difficult to direct
How hard could that be? All they would have to do is walk slowly towards Peter.
Kids are dumb as frick
Either way that scene was included in the movie so it's canon that the original dawn of the dead has running zombies.
The original zombie in Night of the Living Dead was pretty quick. Most zombies in the Romero movies were rather slow but not all of them. Also that first zombie used a brick to smash a window and the little girl zombie used a spade to stab her mother death. In Dawn a few zombies use tools or are mentioned using tools.
>In Dawn a few zombies use tools or are mentioned using tools.
My favorite was this guy who just kept holding the m16 that he took from that blonde guy.
You clearly haven't seen Day of the Dead if you have questions like that about tool use
Dawn of the Dead pioneered dead malls aesthetic
On God? No cap?
Are Night, Dawn and Day the same apocalypse?
Yes
Yeah and the timeline they take place differs on the movie. I think Dawn takes place several weeks after Night, but Day is more up the in air since everyone by this point lost track of time
I don't hate Dawn or anything but I definitely feel it's overrated. It's my least favorite of the trilogy and there are a multitude of zombie films that I think are superior.
It's pretty crazy when you think about it how the opening manages to vividly depict the collapse of civilization and set the mood and the atmosphere of the movie without actually showing undead or violence.
Day is better.
Land of the dead is the sequel so obviously society colapsed.
I really liked Land’s aesthetic and feel, anything else like it? I got kinda close with the video game, Fiddler’s Green but Walking Dead: Saints and Sinners nails it harder I think. As for movies I can only really think of that zombie Romeo and Juliet one that was ass.
What else do I watch after the trilogy and the remakes?
I’ve already seen Return which was fricking hilarious but also somehow made me feel intense dread for a bit. Are the Return sequels any good? I’ve also seen that “”””sequel”””” for Night but I can only remember the necrophiliac morgue chick.
Shaun of the Dead
Oh shit I gotta rewatch this
I feel like I’ve seen this a long time ago, did it come with an English dub or was it all Italian?
Speaking of childhood, I’m quite embarrassed to say but I quite enjoyed Uwe Boll’s THOTD when I was young, idk how well that holds up on a second watch.
It did have a English dub
Zombie 2 flesh eater, the story isn't all that good but it has some good zombie sequences and a great soundtrack.
Brain dead, it also goes by the name dead alive.
Thanks, never heard of this.
>I am A Hero
Is this legit? The manga is one of my favorite reads of all time up until that bizarre ending, and how much does the movie cover?
>reanimator
I watched the first one a month ago, had a lot of fun, great practical effects and frickin immaculate breasts from the main girl, are the sequels any good?
Braindead
Cemetery Man
Zombi 2
Train to Busan
The Sadness
I Am a Hero
Re-Animator(Dunno if you can consider it a Zombie movie but its about reanimated dead people)
Fido
Return of the Living Dead 3 (2 just tries to recreate 1 but worse. 3 has an original premise)
If we're recommending manga then I might as well shout out a series called "In a world filled with zombies, I'm the only one they won't attack".
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this the one where the protag is a sex pest? He rapes normal girls and zombie girls? And then the author fricking ran out of ideas or some shit and killed the series?
Yes although the manga is ongoing so I'm hoping things will turn out differently there.
Night of the Creeps
How much you enjoy Dawn of the Dead I think also largely depends on which cut you watch. I don't care for the theatrical one, but I do like some of the other cuts, this one being my favorite:
It is so good, I often leave it on in the background while I'm doing other tasks at my computer
That's interesting anon, I'll save this for later
Can't thank you enough for posting this. Its been like 16 years since I was really into DotD and I wasn't aware of this new cut, I've only seen the US theatrical and Argento cuts. Definitely watching this one later. Looks like a 1080p copy is on archive dot org.
No problem, anon. Enjoy!
Anon would you please post a link to the copy you found on archive? I just searched for it and I can't seem to find it. Apologies, am moron.
Is this the same of the Mall Cut? I love that one.
No, this one is quite a bit different, with a lot of audio that isn't the same as the mall cut version.
Oh my yes, the Mall has the Goblin music this one the eerie american cut one.
Oh well, another version to enjoy I guess.
Thanks anon. This was a nice little present.
My bad it starts a bit later.
With better video quality. This is EXCELLENT
I don't know if the other anon was asking the same question but, is this the Extended Mall Hours cut? If that's what he was referring to by mall cut then I apologize for being a redundant nonce.
Yeah, that anon was referencing the extended mall hours cut, but no, that's another version
>It is so good, I often leave it on in the background while I'm doing other tasks at my computer
Are you me Anon?
I like how amateur the camerawork is in Dawn of the Dead. It makes it feel a lot more realistic. Camerawork in movies today feel more sterile and fake. Takes me out of most of them very fast
Its funny in Dawn they get so upset about destroying the ´bodies cause of "human dignity"
At the start of covid they put people died of covid into hermetically sealed containers and then burned them all cause they thought covid would get into the ground water or something lol
>At the start of covid they put people died of covid into hermetically sealed containers and then burned them all cause they thought covid would get into the ground water or something lol
Seriously? Damn that's fricked up. If it was some world ending super virus I'd get it but it was fricking Covid
at the start of covid people really wanted it to be a world ending super virus anon hope u understand
In Dawn, the problem was civilians not wanting to follow government protocol of either burning the bodies or handing them over to the National Guard. Civilians being unwilling to attack their zombie family members, or not giving them proper burials, ended up accelerating the zombie problem to the point of total collapse of society
The government is always content to stick people in sealed containers or whatever else, but the same can't be said for the civilian population, who understandably don't trust the government
Day of the Dead is underrated. I especially love the character of Captain Rhodes, who just seems like a dick for most of the movie because you're following the perspective of the scientists, but he's just a guy who inherited command of a shit mission that's clearly a waste of time and resources, given by a government that doesn't exist anymore. The guy just wants to tell the scientists to go frick themselves and get out of that hole in the ground.
And he was right the whole time, except for maybe when he tried to leave the scientists to die at the end and shooting one in the head. Dr. Frankenstein (I just remember the nickname Rhode's gave him) was just fricking around that entire time and dissecting his mens' bodies for zombie food. He had gone certifiably crazy and even though he learned how to 'train' the zombies, it wasn't very practical or valuable since there were millions of them.
it's the kind of research you might do if you had established some sort of self-sufficient community with a modicum of predictability. under the circumstances they were in it was moronic
The recorder Dr.Frankenstein was using had some really unsettling stuff in it. Apparently he was physically abused by his family and now he's fully mental, re-creating some of the beatings he received on the reanimated corpses
I don't know what it is but Romero's Zombies movies had something special that I haven't been able to find in other movies of the same genre.
they're archetypal
Which movie or series had the best zombie makeup?
Tom Savini's 1990 remake of NOTLD.
Me on the right.
this thread made me rewatch the 1990 night of the living dead and holy frick what a great kino just as good as the first time i saw it in 1998 10/10
This will always be my favorite just because I remember sitting and watching it with my dad.
>movies that can't be made today
Day of the Dead had such an excellent OST. It is hard to forget that repeating "Da dum... da dum... da dum... 'Helloooo?!' " at the start of the movie.
I need more dreary, synth heavy soundtracks in movies. Getting John Carpenter to do the soundtrack was the real miracle of the nu-Halloween movies.
Yeah, John's grim synth really made those nu-Halloween movies worth seeing all by itself, just to listen to it in a theater. This track startled me real bad the first time I heard it at the movies. It cut right through me.
You appreciate those heavy synth beats all the more when you see trailers for horror movies like Demeter that is playing 90s rock and it sounds so wildly out of place
Haha yeah, that's me posting the vinyl Day of the Dead OST link if I catch a Romero/zombie thread. I'll keep it up, thanks! Good tunes really enriches the spooky experience
zombie fans really do get uppity for some reason.
surprising how good this is. if its you who always posts this link in zombie movie threads then thank you, keep up the good work
This is part of what makes it one of my favorite movies to put on at night to fall asleep to. The music is so easy on the ears and the highlight of most of the film is the dialogue, so you can just listen and doze off.
does anyone has the crew commentary track from the Argento cut?
I need it.
no pic related.
Never aim a gun at anyone, mister.
Is there food?
Do zombies have to poop?