It's not canon.
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It's not canon.
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YOU'RE not canon.
Seriously, the show just disappeared the NCR, which is probably the coolest faction ever made, with a couple of stupid, moronic lines? Nah, frick that noise. They can't destroy established lore with a few clicks.
>the NCR, which is probably the coolest faction ever made
>legiongay detected
The NCR is fricking cool, and if you didn't buy a Bear Republic flag for your room growing up then you're not a real Fallout fan.
The NCR has never been the good guys
In 1 they didn’t even exist yet
In 2 they’re doing unethical shady shit to try and expand
In NV they’re a bunch of corrupted short-sighted expansionists that the people they take over dislike
>NCR
>Bad guys
Pick one. They're the last and only hope for a civilized Wasteland, and the dilemmas posed by its existence make the lore a far more interesting place. The show deciding "LOL nope it doesn't exist anymore" is not only moronic, but it's wrong. Despite what
might think, the writers don't get to ruin literal YEARS of discussion about the NCR.
First, Todd and people who worked on the show said the NCR is still around and we only saw a small part of the world, a very specific part that allowed them to tell the post-apocalyptic story they wanted to. That doesn’t mean the rest of California is gone and destroyed for no reason. Also, Shady Sands wasn’t even the capital anymore when it was bombed, so if you care about lore then you should get your facts straight so you don’t sound like a butthurt new vegan.
Second, the NCR sucks. Corrupt expansionist tyrants forcing themselves on the wasteland. New Vegas set up their collapse and a civil war would’ve been inevitable. They’re spread too thin and too many people dislike being ruled by them. The Legion also would fall into civil war.
>Also, Shady Sands wasn’t even the capital anymore when it was bombed
that's show canon, moron
>Todd and people who worked on the show said
they also said Nate The Rake is canon. Then they immediately retconned it when they got called a filthy chud.
They are no authority on the subject matter
>a civil war would’ve been inevitable
And would have been a fricking site more interesting than "nukes fall and now everyone's dead or raiders living in shitty ruins like good old Bethesda Fallout"
but in the fricking show they say Shady Sands was a civilized paradise that got destroyed because Vault Tec were supposed to bring civilization back after the surface was completely destroyed. If anything the NCR are the good guys in the show. They said the fall of Shady Sands is not the bomb and that New Vegas is still canon, which I honestly find hard to believe it was their first intention but it would also be extremely weird to put those years there when the timeline is so clear just to frick around with new vegas
>the writers don't get to ruin literal YEARS of discussion about the NCR.
lmao Fallout fans think they own the franchise something
like that guy making the London mod being "betrayed" by the new update
NCR are the good guys in 2, and we see their beginnings in 1. As for New Vegas they're not "good guys" but then all factions are shown to have flaws
The NCR aren’t good in 2. They’re expansionist buttholes using objectively evil tactics to take power in the North. Did you just skip all the quests related to them? They even let slavers set up right outside their walls.
Most factions are trying to expand, now compare them to the enclave in 2
Amerisharts are too dense to realize America 2 is not meant to work out.
>hanging video game things in your room
>"why am i virgin??"
are you a bear or are you a bull?
Being a true gator fricking floridian I chose to shoot this homosexual with several mini nukes and then nuked both the bear and the bull and anyone else I had the opportunity to nuke because nuclear weapons are cool as frick
Incredibly fricking based and psychoBlack person-floridian pilled.
FRICK CALIFORNIA
FRICK CEASARS homosexual BRIGADE
FRICK THE BROTHERHOOD OF SQUEAL
FRICK THE FOLLOWERS OF THE SHARTPOCALYPSE
KILL EM ALL, LET HENRY FLAGLER SORT EM OUT
I had pictures of bears in my room. The gay kind tho.
It is. That doesn't equate to the NCR being perfect (though it is compared to any other alternative) but the NCR has always been the most unique idea in Fallout. Post-apocalypse is so played out and tired, almost nobody ever explores what it looks like when people pick up the pieces and start building nations again. I don't give a frick about generic mad max raiders, I want to hear more about the NCR's sharecrop infrastructure and the problems with the brahmin barons. Anyways thats gone now because Bethesda's needs to make everything they get their hands to be about vaults and the brotherhood of steel.
yes they can
>im so smart because I play new Vegas and love the west coast lore
>im also going to completely ignore that the show only shows one small area of LA and that it’s likely the rest of California is doing fine
>im going to ignore Arroyo, San Fran, VC, Redding, and New Reno
>im such a huge fallout nerd
This is what you people sound like. You’re unable to think beyond the screen and are ignoring the rest of west coast lore that we haven’t seen in the show.
the show ignored it to and acted like shady sands was the only thing holding the NCR together
We got told by Maximus, a terribly stupid person with no knowledge of the outside world, that it (shady sands) failed. If you take everything characters say as truth, that’s media illiteracy, and that’s your problem. The NCR remnants still around are there because it was their home. The greater NCR has obviously pulled back from that area. They were already spread thin so why waste manpower on a nuked settlement when they have other problems in the North and East? The only fact is that we don’t know what’s happening with the greater NCR, we’ve just been told that they’re actually still around and we haven’t seen the last of them. Whether they devolved into civil war or their holdings rebelled against them, or if they’re doing perfectly fine, is yet to be seen.
>hurr durr media literacy
Shut up, homosexual.
You seriously think they even recognize the existents of places like Adytum (Which they basically retconned out of existent) Necropolis, Dayglow, and the Hub? Those are proper fricking CITIES going off NV.
What does the show give us? A shitty, scum-filled, scrap town with no law whatsoever. Not even connected by any lore. And no infrastructure ANYWHERE. The reverted California to Fallout 1 tier.
Not sure if troll or brain rotten person who's genuine even if moronic.
they had an interview released earlier today where they confirmed they plan to erase civilization from the west coast. their explanation is that Fallout is apparently meant to be about endless war and destruction with any attempts at rebuilding being short lived and pointless
You misread. They wanted to create an area where they can tell that kind of story. They moved the NCR capital out of Shady Sands, as evidenced by the billboard, nuked it, then had the NCR pull out and leave the shithole that is LA to its own devices. They didn’t say they were testing the entire west coast. They literally say in that’s some interview that there is more to the story of the NCR and that they’re still around.
All this outrage stems from being unable to think beyond the screen logically. And from media illiteracy.
is that why New Vegas is also destroyed, because they totally want to involve factions and parts from the game? or because they just want a blank slate to write their own shit "go find X family member while brotherhood fights the enclave" but filming outside of California is expensive so they just erased all existing Fallout lore that takes place in the region
>new meme phrase is now going to be used by pseuds everywhere because it makes them sound smart and intune with the people who made the piece of media.
Don’t forget to dilate
Bethesda wants Fallout to be stuck in a permanent status quo where everyone acts like the bombs dropped yesterday. The NCR had become a mostly functional nation-state that controlled most of the West Coast of the USA, so it had to go if Bethesda was ever going to tell stories there again.
The end game of New Vegas was the exact same thing. Avellone planned to restart the wasteland status quo, so Bethesda followed his advice.
Avellone is a moron and didn't contibute anything good to New Vegas, and most New Vegas slides show that the Mojave is changing no matter who wins.
You know Avellone wasn't the lead dev on NV, right? It was Sawyer, who also disagreed with Avellone on that particular stance.
They did want to nuke San Francisco though, but I think that was mostly just to get rid of the Shi.
Legion fans think this is funny but if they fricked up the ncr this badly then the legion is probably about to be made into a bunch of one dimensional savages who get gunned down by the dozens.
the legion is absolutely not going to be in the show at all. NCR is the only trace of west coast Fallout factions that still survived in the show (because it would be impossible to explain the show set there without showing what happened to them). and all remaining NCR members are killed in the end with the brotherhood.
How do you know? Isn't season 2 implied to be new Vegas which likely will explain more
dogshit doesn't need explaining, it's dogshit
its Jesuit Order magic
this show only exists to insert predictive programming and fear based mind control
Isn't showing that it got destroyed putting it into canon and just telling everyone it was destroyed at some point? If it weren't canon they would just never address it at all
I agree, the show's not canon.
Only FO1, FO2 and New Vegas are canon.
New Vegas isn’t canon. Only 1 and 2 are. 3 and 4 are their separate thing on the other side of the country so it doesn’t really matter.
I don't really care about the lore or canon when it comes to making an entertaining TV show but I'm pretty sure the TV show would have been more interesting with the NCR included.
New Vegas is based while the show is woke and filled with gay shit, therefore the game is canon and the show isn't
>but todd howard says
Don't care
Why bother making it then??? Just for DEI points????
>we totally didn't wipe the westcoast board clean with retcons
Halo is easier to ignore because you don't have morons going around pretending it's actually great.
Did you not see the gaggle of morons praising the new season for being "better"
No, and if that's true I worry for the state of this board.
The Halo show was actually bad on its own merits AND it was made by people who clearly had a contempt for its source material
controversial retcons aside the Fallout show is perfectly serviceable TV and, at least for me and a lot of people, does capture the aesthetic and general tone of Fallout pretty well.
>the Fallout show is perfectly serviceable TV
It's a dog shit show, kills the brain.
Also your first line clearly re-enforces that you really think highly of this show. Change your hobby, Cinemaphile is not it for you.
You're some kind of incel or rightoid culture warrior working out some kind of real world grievance
Solution:
The fall of Israel [2025] *drawing of nuclear explosion*
Fallout was a parody of itself, Halo had nothing to do with Halo
Only cucks care about the dignity of factions. NCR is gay, who cares.
Nerdrage aside, I stopped watching cuz BM WF leads
What do the people in the wasteland eat? I really liked seeing all the ranches and farms in NV but I haven't seen anything in the show yet.
bugs and irradiated chef boyardee apparently.
Scrap metal and irradiated water that has sat stagnant since 2077
Why does Todd hate New Vegas?
I don't think he hates it, it's just anons talking shit. All the failed speech checks in the show were his idea, the guy is a master of his craft(been making games for almost 30 years)
>canon
A specific chain of events in a wholly made up story that people invented inside their heads
What is canon or not does not fricking matter.
you people are fricking stupid. I bet your degree was in being a fricking homosexual.