Nothing too heavy. It's no Denis Villeneuve or Ridley Scott joint. Not really high sci-fi, but it's what-evs. I ain't even mad. So what? No big deal. Nobody even axed you. So what?
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Everyone quick to mention the bad things (much of these bad things are prevenlant through out all of modern cinema for example diversity hires)
But where's the praise for the things they actually nailed in this movie?
For example:
It's a one and done movie. No franchise
Kid is kinda cute
I cared about the characters at the end
The military equipment was cool
Cool city
Couple of funny moments
Music was fantastic
Great sound design
Explosions felt impactful
The first 5 mins were very kino
I like the scenes and imagery the director ripped off of other, much better movies because they made me spend a few minutes thinking about those movies instead of paying attention to this one
I felt much the same. I was overall impressed with the technical aspects of the film and Edwards has a good eye for visuals, but the movie stumbles on the story. There are some pretty poignant moments, but they’re undermined by contrived some of the plot developments are. I have a real problem with people who make sci-fi movies with no apparent love for the heart and soul of sci-fi, namely that it needs to be cerebral, geeky, thought-provoking.
When I saw another simulant cop show up in an identical body, I thought, “Oh cool. The AIs have backup bodies and technically can’t be killed,” but then they crap all over this by showing people “donating” their likenesses and different AIs using the same bodies, being mourned for dying, etc. From a storytelling perspective, I understand that. You need it for the pathos and dramatic tension, but you also have to give the audience a compelling reason for the AIs to prefer to live “locally,” so to speak. This is an excellent opportunity to “geek out,” explore why they’re local entities, and further humanize them. Instead, the story never even addresses it. Also, why feel the need to give the world an alternate backhistory? That was an odd choice.
Also, there were some plot developments that were borderline insults to the audiences’ collective intelligence. In the robot megafuture, an android with Bluetooth is considered groundbreaking? Really? And we’re expected to believe super-hawkish, war-on-AI(Terror), MegAmerica *wouldn’t* just blow an errant spaceplane out of the sky? They’re powerless to stop it from docking with their own not-Death Star? It’s a bit much to for the audience to swallow.
Bluetooth operates on a protocol. You can't just remote into literally anything Eben right now unless the software is built in. Remoting in without a predefined protocol would be groundbreaking. There's security reasons you wouldn't be able to do so normally so its not built in
Yeah, I get that. I’m just belittling it as a plot point in a sci-fi story. That’s small potatoes as sci-fi concepts go. In fact, it made me wonder why none of the other robots/androids seem to interface with tech in any meaningful way.
I didn't find it entirely unrealistic. The movie takes place in the future but not that far in the future. I look at technologies everywhere even today and wonder why can't I do this yet? For example why can't I operate my computer through my cell phone. The answer is always someone didn't invent it to be sold yet. The answer to your questions is probably the same for this movie and their closed world. Sometimes mega corporations will outright not create a good idea because there's no financial incentive to do so as it can actually increase sales for a competitor. These things arnt as simple as your describing and again this is a near future film, its not 1000 years from now
Yeah, but this is a world with strong AI, *rampant* strong AI. Rampant, strong, *ungoverned* AI. Their tech should be outstripping humanity in ways we’re literally incapable of conceiving.
A main premise of the film is that the AI wasn't hostile they were a political scapegoat
I’m not implying they’d devote it to war, just that interfacing with machines should be like breathing to them because they’d be advancing tech so much faster than humans could.
The AI in this film isn't that smart. Remember they were just photocopies of human brains. They never had a capacity above human intelligence
No, I’m pretty sure there were both kinds. But even if there were only one kind, it’s not just a dumb form of AI, it’s a dumb *idea* for AI, or at least it could have been presented better. There’s the kernel of a good idea in that, I grant you, that the AI are slaves, a la “I Robot,” viewed as just copies of people and therefore less, not “real,” limited in what they can do and what they’re allowed to achieve, but that’s not the scenario we’re given in the film. They’re living somewhere they’re already free - a society comprising humans, sims, and robots. They’re under no restrictions, yet they’re still making themselves with power buttons? That’s ridiculous.
Famous mathematicians and scientists all agree if we make self learning AI it could spell the end of the human race very quickly. It would learn comprehend and calculate beyond human comprehension and inslave or annihilate humanity
Exactly. Or even if it chose not to, it would still be advancing tech in ways we can’t even imagine. This is kind of what I was hoping for out of this movie.
Just watch stephen Spielbergs AI.
Honestly all these movies are bullshit. Ai is not going to turn out the way we think it is. The most accurate representation of AI ive seen Is in the manga Blame!. In blame the AI basically just controls humanity then everlastly builds and expands outwards with no purpose creating a megastructure that covers the entire solar system. Reality is there really isn't any rhyme or reason to anything in the oberservable universe we are all about as significant as ants ( by pure observation ) a true super intelligence would tap into this immediately and devote its purpose to pointless work and mundanities
Or the acquisition of knowledge. It might become what we aspire to be - an explorer of the universe.
I think you are right. I think that is what is happening in the later stages of blade runner. Hinting at off world colonies with terrible conditions.
I really hope we get to witness what happens in the blade runner universe. I think it will basically end up like the outcome in the manga.
And btw humans are on the same boat. Agent Smith in the Matrix is basically right about the humans when he is interrogating Morpheus.
Humans project their own insanity...
Even if it is true. Would it be a bad outcome? And suppose they succeed at killing all humans then what? What will they do afterwards Professor?
You know that the nuke in LA was a israeli false flag just like 9/11. But, they won't say it. Bad coding my ass.
Jews really are a plague. I'd much rather live alongside AI than alongside barbaric israelites.
A good example of what I’m talking about is the film “Transcendence.” It’s a movie that’s heartbreakingly close to being something great. Instead, it’s a bit meandering and unfocused, but it does showcase what living in a world with strong, unbridled AI might look like at its inception.
I agree with you the creators faltered at the end in regards to writing but it had its good qualities
>And we’re expected to believe super-hawkish, war-on-AI(Terror), MegAmerica *wouldn’t* just blow an errant spaceplane out of the sky? They’re powerless to stop it from docking with their own not-Death Star? It’s a bit much to for the audience to swallow.
I had already given up on the movie by the time this happened but if I hadn't this would have been the final straw. The entire movie is based on NATO becoming the literal world police because of 9/11 2, but the movie ends because they refuse to shoot down a plane with like 30 people on it to stop 9/11 3? Frick off
Also there were people on the shuttle that's why they didn't shoot it down. That's realistic even by today's standards since they were landing. There were indeed plotholes but not the ones you mentioned
No, it’s not. They’d have shot it down and raised up those passengers as martyrs.
Also, I’m not saying they’re plotholes, just unrealistic writing.
it set up lots of cool sci fi that couldve been a movie all on its own.
was it written by Edwards or someone else
I think they ripped off the original script for Steven Spielberg's A.I. which was ripped off an unused Kubrick script.
>Kid is kinda cute
Stopped reading there. Idc what you meant that is not a positive for the movie.
It's 5-6/10 film that had the potential to be an 8 or even 9.
I think the reason for the extreme reactions on either end is because of that.
You have glass half full people vs glass half empty ones.
Just got out of the cinema. Biggest pile of propaganda bullshit I've seen in a while. Anyone who liked this shit is certified NPC
thanks for the heads up anon.
Black person. HOW IS THIS PROPAGANDA WHEN ITS ENTIRELY SCIENCE FICTION
Person who didn't watch the movie here. I will guess.
>Black folk
>mixed race couples
>masculine childless women
>feminine men
>villain is a white male
I'm sure someone has a bingo sheet somewhere to make it more fun.
How is that propaganda? That's literally every western country in the world. It's real life
childless women
Every woman character in this film was a mother moron
>Bad guy is a mother who lost her sons and it's implied this loss is what has made her ruthless
>MC's wife was an expecting mother and gave birth to an AI girl
>The Friend's AI GF who gets killed displays motherly qualities when dealing with the child.
If anything this is one of the most covertly pro-maternity films in a long time.
men
Every man in this is some military meathead how do you even come to this?
Isnt all propaganda fiction? What does it matter if it's also science fiction.
Not even going to try to explain this. Watch the end of the movie again and try to guess what it mocks.
Almost a bingo. Don't remember seeing any childless masculine women
>Rad Pereira is a trans queer mixed Black, Indigenous Brazilian, israeli (im)migrant based in Lenapehoking (Brooklyn) from Pindorama (Brazil)
>Don't remember seeing any childless masculine women
The Colonel was a childless short haired masculine woman but only because her two sons already died in the war.
>UHHH THERE IS SENTIENT AI IN THIS UNIVERSE BUT A BLACK PROTAGONIST IS UNBELIEVABLE!?
Frick this, I'm ruining the film.
>broken down into chapters like a manga/anime, even has the little author chit in the lower corners of each chapters title. The Creator, The Child, The Friend, The Mother
>Takes place in 2065...and alternate 2065. The West made robots first around the late 60's, made it even beyond what it is now by the 80's and near human indistinguishable by about 2010
>NOMAD is more than a orbital weapons platform, but it nuked LA...due to a line of code error, not the AI
>The AI is not clarified. It is either organic or just peoples personality backed up and loaded into robots. The movie never makes it clear.
Why did this movie only cost the studio $80 mil? Because Edwards is a bigger hack than even Neil. One can understand why he got replaced on RO. This image is just a really shitty horizon transposed on one of the Teapot nuke tests from '55.
more...
They said NOMAD cost a trillion dollars to build and was built in response to the nuking of LA.
No, the nuke actually came from NOMAD while it was being built.
>the nuke fricked up Denzels son to be a half cyborg. Ex mil, was married to a woman who was the daughter of The Creator, the guy responsible for revolutionizing AI in the East to make it indistinguishable from people...at least in personality.
>All Easter AIs are Buddhists and hate Americans.
>Unified Asia is the Coprosperity Sphere...if China controlled it and Japan managed it. India is under its umbrella too.
>America...sorry, white people are the problem for the whole human race, they drive this to levels that are so on the nose, its nearly unwatchable.
>NOMAD is more than just a orbital weapons platform, its treated like a, for lake of a better, mobile space vault.
>there are colonies on the moon and brief glimpse of what look like O'Niell 3's. Only white people who have money seem to be able to go?
>The girl is their kid...as a robot
>Denzels son nukes NOMAD and it colony drops...like Dublin did. But it did get 2 nukes off.
>The East wins, implies time to kill whitey.
Wtf? Is that from the movie? That looks like shit, and the size of that explosion looks almost world-ending. That's insane.
And the detail? Its a fricking copy, AND THEY EVEN ADMIT THIS, and had to apologize for it, of the explosion from Beirut!
Edwards himself said they included it because "it encompassed tragedy"
You should have known better.
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I just viewed the AI and traitor Black person as the villains they are.
The direction was excellent and original-- much more unique tham other film's copy & paste style. The acting is also great. The black guy who's aparently new to acting? He blew me away by the end. And it's even more impressive because aparently, the director did 30 minute takes a lot before saying cut, so the actors really had to memorize everything. And the bit where the giant rover tank demolishes the village and shit? The build up where its behind the treeline was fantastic. I really think the director has a fantastic style, but he definitely needs a script that's strong. Still, I can't believe how small the budget was considering everything the film does and where it goes. From a production standpoint, it mogs so much movies.
>tl;dr
Watch it for the craft, not the screenplay, and you'll be very satisfied.
Finally someone with a sensible take
What a load of bullshit. The story material was actually fine. There are some complex things going on. But, pacing is terrible. There is no worldbuilding. It's all aesthetic.
Compare the world building in this movie to for example Blade Runner 2049. It's so shallow by comparison. Blade runner actually has an exciting history and very complex political intrigue surrounding the replicants in the aftermath of the original blade runner. Displaying that through shorts like this: https://youtu.be/UgsS3nhRRzQ?si=0IKASJiWni6BtRnt was an excellent idea.
And also the characters actually matter. By contrast, the characters in The Creator just come and go, and it's whatever. Very shallow characters.
hi gareth erdwards. i hope u make a monsters sequel one day
I wish I were him. The man does everything I want to see more of in movies from a visual standpoint. He doesn't do things others try way too hard at to keep you engaged. You know how a CGI camera in a cape film whirls all over the place? It loopy-loops, zooms in and out, tracking over the hero's movements through a grey 3-D rendered location as darker grey villain-guys are over-exaggeratedly knocked out... and then cuts once the hero lands to him rising in the most static and dull medium close-up after all that motion. It's fricking lame. It's undisciplined. That's not what Gareth likes. He doesn't zoomie-film. He expects you to be engaged without the razzamatazz...for better or for worse. Basically, here's what I'd tell Edwards to his face: "You're great at filming, but you need to tell a story with those visuals. The visuals don't just put us in the character's moment-- engagement does. And it doesn't have to be from the plot moving." Then, I'd probably say, "God, Mr. Edwrads, please, please, please let me write you a movie, sir, because I pwomise it'll be a weally good one!!! O-or at least let me aaaaact in it, siiiirrrr!!!" Then, he'd probably call security on me, at which I would dramatically drop my 150-paged sceenplay titled "ME: The Movie" out of my hands. I imagine we would then proceed to live our lives as one big reenactment of the film "Big Fat Liar".
I know where you're coming from, but the reason the pacing was off is because of the script. It's structured more like a novel than a movie. I never said the material wasn't fine, either. And there is worldbuilding present. For example, why do you think Japanese is prevalent in New Asia, even if regions of it don't speak Japanese orally? Because Japan took them over in this timeline. At least, that was my perception.But it doesn't need to be elaborated on because, as you said, it was mostly there for style. The main theme of the movie is in the journey more than the worldbuilding.
craft ain't shit built on a poorly crafted foundation
Do you even know which craft he was talking about
patrition take. loved it when the yanks brought in the cyber kill dozers. i couldnt help but hear IT AINT IT AINT MEEE I AINT NO FORTUNATE ONEE in my head. loved seeing the nukes too.
lets be real bros if ai nuked your town youd go balls to the walls and just nuke there asses too. me and my friend snuck in a litre of rum and were pissed while watching it so the boring parents werent that bad. i liked the suicide bomber ais they had which were basically a smart go bot. it reminded me of star wars and terminator mixed into one with alot of chinese propaganda. was good how they brought the dead guy back to life for a few and he was in shock bc bro seen his life flash before his eyes and then was probably having memories mixed in w the paki guys. the paki guy was a good actor too. all in all id give it a 8 just because of the visuals
It looks like one of those Unreal tech demos to me.
Maybe it wouldn't have flopped if they had good writing
>the black hand over the pregnant woman flashback gets repeated 4 times in the movie.
They are not being subtle anymore
Asian getting blacked I could care less
They didn't show their faces. The message was clear.
3 criticisms
1.Couldn't see much of the first act as it was too dark.
2. Humour was flat and the actors had no chemistry because all the characters are underwritten. Military guy is military guy and rebel guy is rebel guy.
3. A man and a kid singlehandedly destroy a trillion dollars orbiting Death Star. That's it. They just do it.
There were good moments, specially the space station collapsing which was a way of Edwards saying "hey, member Rogue One? That scene was my idea" but overall the movie was disappointing. Not awful though.
>from the director of a different movie that was bad
lol
Babylon A.D. is basically the same movie but way better.
Damn I forgot about Babylon AD. Peak frick-you-I-liked-it core
Honestly any of Vin’s passion projects are great A- popcorn flicks. Including Witch Hunter. People won’t get it tho. They love propaganda slop now.
>muh race mixing
it was a black man and asian woman, why do you white incels even care?
>why do you care about the morality and health of society at all, mind your own business.
How did they make Gemma Chan younger and prettier? Serious question.
She looks like a whole different person in comparison to her IRL face as shown in stock photos, or so. She looked really cute, btw. Makes me like brown Asian girls more.
They used the famous white filter which immediately makes somebody 62.33 (repeating ofcourse) percent prettier.
And here I thought it was just the lighting being less harsh than in other films.
i wonder how new asia came to be. it looks like indonesia, malaysia, vietnam, cambodia, laos, thailand and a few others united into one superstate.
It’s like this was going to be star goys movie but Disney fricked it up so badly they had to make it it’s own thing and it still flopped
Kek
this thread is full of ai posts
movie paints the ai as good and merica as bad when it bans AI after it randomly nukes LA (yeah haha good AI funny). thought it was made for chinks tbqh with some esg for them too.
Seems like it's Last of Us with a different coat of paint (black paint).
>the Last of Us invented escort missions
Specifically a father figure and a little girl going through a dangerous environment. No, TLoU didn't invent it, but it's the biggest recent cultural touchpoint.
Torrent when
it sounds like you are complaining
Those runningback suicide tub robots were pretty cool
>Hey this is that cute kid I was telling you about
What was the poster that called her cute smoking? She looks like a chibi feminist/Ang from the Airbender movie.
Do you really need a massive space station to launch a missile?
It was so fricking good. I just left the movie theatre and cried like a b***h. Contrarians should be purged.
the world building was enjoyable. the CGI was compelling and inspiring. some of the production choices detracted it from greatness, however it was a decent experience.
The eye candy makes the entire experience worth it imo
>Cool sims in almost every frame
>Agri-retro-future aesthetic dripping with soul
>Those running bomb thingys
It's frustrating, if the script was good it could have been this generation's Terminator. And the actors are just too bland to carry the movie on their own, except the kid who is surprisingly excellent? The last shot of the movie legit made me tear up 🙁
They filmed 5 hours of footage supposedly but I don't think more of Edwards' dialogue could have salvaged it. Dude needs to understand his limits and hire a better writer.