At this point millions of pieces of music have been created. Pretty much every "low complexity" tune has already been used, many times over in some cases. The whole thing is a nightmare from a copyright perspective, which is what caused Dua Lipa to get sued by some nobody reggae band from Florida whose work probably only got heard by like 2 people.
not necessarily true. With the advent of the internet, music is, in a way, more available for both artists and listeners. It’s true that pop music is starting to become more factory produced than ever but also it’s easier than ever for real artists to produce and distribute new music. I’ve found a pretty good pattern for finding new, independent artists through some Spotify playlists. I guess you could argue that it’s still driven by Spotify algorithms but I trust it and a lot of the music is legitimately great
it does disappoint me that a lot of instrumental-driven music like jazz has gone by the wayside but that doesn’t mean modern music is worse, just different
Sums it up pretty well. We've created far more static that even if our ability to sift through it has improved, not at the rate we've created interference to anything worth wild.
>de facto
homosexual.
but you are right, 20 years from now there'll be nothing that makes today's music stand out from whatever slop'll be playing then.
this has been a thing for a while, ever sind the mid 10's.
Wrong. Music was always spread across different niches.
Films were universal. So while the metal heads would all give each other a head nod if they saw a park called paradise city or something stupid, the preppy girls would be confused. And vice versa if they saw a sign saying "girls just wanna [last word missing]"
But film permeation into pop culture. Didn't matter if you were a goth, a shut in or a greaser; everyone knew the significance of "You can't handle the truth!" or "...and don't call me Shirley".
>Wrong. Music was always spread across different niches.
True to an extent. Film has niches too, albeit not as much
>Films were universal. So while the metal heads would all give each other a head nod if they saw a park called paradise city or something stupid, the preppy girls would be confused. And vice versa if they saw a sign saying "girls just wanna [last word missing]" >But film permeation into pop culture. Didn't matter if you were a goth, a shut in or a greaser; everyone knew the significance of "You can't handle the truth!" or "...and don't call me Shirley".
Here you lost me. Music has niches, yes, but there's clearly songs that are universally known. Play Bohemian Rhapsody at a party and see how many people don't know this song.
>Play Bohemian Rhapsody at a party and see how many people don't know this song.
It's different now then it was then. I admit I don't know, but I suspect that in the late 80s/early 90s, the popularity of the song was a lot more limited to those that actively enjoyed mainstream rock. I don't think more than 50% of the people at a random given party would try to sing along, let alone know the lyrics. But I could be wrong.
It's easy to say that now the vast majority of people (in the west etc) know and like Smells Like Teen Spirit for example. But back in the mid 90s? Outside of 16-25 year olds who listened to grunge, people would barely know the song aside from maybe hearing it on the radio a couple of times.
(And this is all a part of a bigger issue of how music has no identity anymore because the niches are all collapsing but separate rant)
The last time I looked for new music the number 1 song was a tiktok remix of something released a decade earlier. It was worse than the original too--sounded like they just played it at 1.5x
Just ask yourself what would need to happen for movies to become big cultural touchstones again. Then ask yourself the chances of those things happening.
Infamous Solidarnosc poster. Basically an eloquent way of calling their commie rulers villains and asking people for the courage to fight them.
Solidarnosc kickstarted a lot of the 80s protests.
>Stranger in A Strange Land
Literally what is so influential about that? I haven't even read it.
It's just standard 60's sci-fi lark, isn't it? Heinlein wrote a lot of books.
Sure the bohemian aspects etc. I don't mean to simplify but atill the main ideological grounding comes from SIASL. heinlein promotes that human sexual moral is just learned behaviour and the cause of society's ills. Smith (who also has psi superpowers) founds a religion based on free love and all the girls love him and so on.
I guess you can say it got popular because it fit with their views but eh.
It got released in 61 I'm not aware of anyone else in the mainstream making such bold claims
>None of us saw it in the theaters
wut? I bought a ticket for the pokemon movie and walked into the matrix screening, Where you just moronic or something?
Shouldn't Cinemaphile be "transvestites?"
Rocky Horror was pretty kino before the political mess we're in. Had the straightest dudes alive acting and dancing in the theaters alongside them.
Internet memes are pop culture now. Have been for about ten years or more.
Are people so slow to figure this out?
"The kids" care about Skibbidi Toilet and saying "gyatt" or whatever dumb shit they're doing now. They don't care about old media,
Like 80-90% of all israelites are zionist. Just cuz you saw some news piece on a israelite lighting an israel flag doesnt mean they are a significant portion of israelites
You all deserve death. Your backstabbing snitching nature will help us with that.
>dude who fricked a 17 year old at 40, which would send him to jail anywhere else but israelite york >got paid millions to make a meme movie about poptarts >his show from the 90s earns him more money than anything >hangs out with presidents and a large donor of the democratic party >gets to just be a huge piece of shit because boomers found him hilarious
Like 80-90% of all israelites are zionist. Just cuz you saw some news piece on a israelite lighting an israel flag doesnt mean they are a significant portion of israelites
103 palestinians died screaming in the last 24 hours
tep 1 fix exbitor relations.
Stop demanding 75% of the take the first weekend, that model simply doesn’t work for theater owners.
Step 2
Smaller, better, cheaper.
A roadrunner movie should not cost 300 million, take 5 years to make, and be canceled before release. Everyone on set should be on thier feet doing something, consolidate makeup with custume resets, turnarounds for edits and post production should be weeks, not years,
(3)
End quotas, all white casts are based. You have gained nothing from diversity.
(4)
Stop gaming the rating systems, lie dictators that only get good feedback you have killed your own feedback loop, and now the audience knows it and doesn’t bealive anything.
(5)
Fix your marketing budgets, I know no idea where all this money goes, but your prime audience isn’t watching daytime tv. You should be buying Cinemaphile ads before you buy another m+m branded bag tie in
>jooz le bad
If you didn't have such a simpleton black and white world view you'd know Jerry is one of the based ones who hasn't been shy to share his opinion on "woke" culture. He was one of the first to stop doing Universities way back in the day because of woke and his show about comedians in cars is mostly white men and he's been called out on this before and his response was "I only see funny" and there just happens to be more funny white comedian men that not, so Jerry is staying true to his word when he says that. Oh, and Jerry is as israeli as you can get. If he didn't have the same opinions as you and instead was super woke, he'd be the perfect caricature of a israeli person for you (/pol/) to endlessly mock and shout "SEE HE IS JOOISH!!!"
>dude who fricked a 17 year old at 40, which would send him to jail anywhere else but israelite york >got paid millions to make a meme movie about poptarts >his show from the 90s earns him more money than anything >hangs out with presidents and a large donor of the democratic party >gets to just be a huge piece of shit because boomers found him hilarious
Movies never should occupy that space. The fact people think Hollywood should be in everything like how people believe you should drink soda with every meal is moronic.
Basically, Jerry is like Gene Simmons talking about how being a rockstar/selling records is over because people no longer liked buying records.
>Movies never should occupy that space.
But they did and there was nothing wrong with that.
>people believe you should drink soda with every meal
No one believes that, you fricking 3rd worlder.
>Gene Simmons talking about how being a rockstar/selling records is over because people no longer liked buying records.
Gene Simmons is absolutely correct.
You made three moronic opinions in one post. BRAVO LOL
to imply that they ae the pinnacle and should be is to assume the pubilc is drone-like and should funnel themselves to a movie theater whenever something is produced.
Guaranteed, ask Seinfeld the last 5 movies he's actually gone out to the movies to see and he'll say he doesn't care. None of them want to watch them, they just want to profit off the model that (you) should and keep the wheel turning.
>to imply that they ae the pinnacle and should be is to assume the pubilc is drone-like and should funnel themselves to a movie theater whenever something is produced.
But that's what happened?
Seinfeld's been rich for so long off a show he was the absolute worst part of that he has no idea he was never good. Bee Movie flopped, this will flop, and his answer is, "everyone else fricked it up, nobody knows what's good anymore" and he's so rich he's having this headline astroturfed to protect his own ego
I think he knows he was the weakest part, he makes fun of his shitty acting all the time.
But I do think all the boomers that voluntarily paid money to watch his stand up shows made him think he's actually funny.
I don’t have it in me to shitpost in this thread. I’m actually really depressed that we’re going to watch the death of cinema and art in our lifetimes.
If you want an image of the future, imagine a 12 year old scrolling through 10-second Family Guy clips — forever.
I mean you're probably going to watch the complete collapse of western society in your future so depending on your point of view it could still be comfy to watch.
But it's not even going to be fun. There are no great artists or intellectuals or warriors. When the West collapses it's just going to be black women twerking in the ruins and then demanding gibs from the successor states. The most boring collapse in human history.
Something very obviously did fundamentally change with covid in that media in general and feature film in particular now feel like they have diminished cultural relevance. Indie film companies going closing up shop left and right, bigger studios being shuffled in giant shitty ass megacorp technopoly, Wall Street now accepting the fact that for 99% of streaming, shit isn't profitable.
Fricking tiktok replaced Hollywood, which is kind of sad and kind of satisfying at the same time.
>occupy the pinnacle of cultural hierarchy
Film never did, it was always music
problem is new music de facto doesn't exist anymore either
What do you mean? The new Taylor Swift song sounds completely different from the other hundred Taylor Swift songs
i guess i've heard them, but i couldn't tell whether or not a song is from her to save my life
At this point millions of pieces of music have been created. Pretty much every "low complexity" tune has already been used, many times over in some cases. The whole thing is a nightmare from a copyright perspective, which is what caused Dua Lipa to get sued by some nobody reggae band from Florida whose work probably only got heard by like 2 people.
"The industry" is more watered down and homogenized than ever.
I get new music all the time from video games.
not necessarily true. With the advent of the internet, music is, in a way, more available for both artists and listeners. It’s true that pop music is starting to become more factory produced than ever but also it’s easier than ever for real artists to produce and distribute new music. I’ve found a pretty good pattern for finding new, independent artists through some Spotify playlists. I guess you could argue that it’s still driven by Spotify algorithms but I trust it and a lot of the music is legitimately great
it does disappoint me that a lot of instrumental-driven music like jazz has gone by the wayside but that doesn’t mean modern music is worse, just different
everything is more available and also more irrelevant. There’s a reason very old songs are still in pop culture
The internet is so big everything feels so small
Sums it up pretty well. We've created far more static that even if our ability to sift through it has improved, not at the rate we've created interference to anything worth wild.
>de facto
homosexual.
but you are right, 20 years from now there'll be nothing that makes today's music stand out from whatever slop'll be playing then.
this has been a thing for a while, ever sind the mid 10's.
He's right.
Wrong. Music was always spread across different niches.
Films were universal. So while the metal heads would all give each other a head nod if they saw a park called paradise city or something stupid, the preppy girls would be confused. And vice versa if they saw a sign saying "girls just wanna [last word missing]"
But film permeation into pop culture. Didn't matter if you were a goth, a shut in or a greaser; everyone knew the significance of "You can't handle the truth!" or "...and don't call me Shirley".
But also this
>Wrong. Music was always spread across different niches.
True to an extent. Film has niches too, albeit not as much
>Films were universal. So while the metal heads would all give each other a head nod if they saw a park called paradise city or something stupid, the preppy girls would be confused. And vice versa if they saw a sign saying "girls just wanna [last word missing]"
>But film permeation into pop culture. Didn't matter if you were a goth, a shut in or a greaser; everyone knew the significance of "You can't handle the truth!" or "...and don't call me Shirley".
Here you lost me. Music has niches, yes, but there's clearly songs that are universally known. Play Bohemian Rhapsody at a party and see how many people don't know this song.
>Play Bohemian Rhapsody at a party and see how many people don't know this song.
It's different now then it was then. I admit I don't know, but I suspect that in the late 80s/early 90s, the popularity of the song was a lot more limited to those that actively enjoyed mainstream rock. I don't think more than 50% of the people at a random given party would try to sing along, let alone know the lyrics. But I could be wrong.
It's easy to say that now the vast majority of people (in the west etc) know and like Smells Like Teen Spirit for example. But back in the mid 90s? Outside of 16-25 year olds who listened to grunge, people would barely know the song aside from maybe hearing it on the radio a couple of times.
(And this is all a part of a bigger issue of how music has no identity anymore because the niches are all collapsing but separate rant)
>Bohemian Rhapsody
That song's current popularity is 100% the result of it being in Wayne's World.
Criminally wasted trips.
For me it was cinematic music
Music is even more fricked than film. It's all mumble rap and auto tuned trash.
Our culture is dead.
i cant even hum a popular tune from the last decade
Sure you can. Any of the high-profile hits of the early 2010s EDM explosion in the US.
>EDM
I'm more of a fan of Juke
The last time I looked for new music the number 1 song was a tiktok remix of something released a decade earlier. It was worse than the original too--sounded like they just played it at 1.5x
Nah.
It was actually movies.
I'm always skeptical of people saying "this is over"
Skepticism is over
probably because its been over for a while.
Just ask yourself what would need to happen for movies to become big cultural touchstones again. Then ask yourself the chances of those things happening.
Hollywood is over.
Is that what you tell the bartender at last call?
>"My Pop Tart movie failed"
Great insight Jerry.
>the pinnacle of cultural hierarchy
Anime.
{spoiler]disorientation ritual
He’s right but he’s also damage controlling for his movie bombing.
>He’s right but he’s also damage controlling for his movie bombing.
there is no fricking seinfeld movie
what the frick are you talking about??
Was there ever a truely impactful film? Like Stranger in A Strange Land level influential?
Maybe High Noon in Poland?
Terminator 2
Jurassic Park
Blade Runner invented the aesthetic people associate with cyberpunk to this day
To be fair that aesthetic goes back to some 1976 Mobius illustrated comic written by Dan O'Bannon called The Long Tomorrow
Jaws literally made people develop a crazy unfounded fear of sharks
That was probably the time the sharks ate all those soldiers in WWII (which is referenced in Jaws, but was a real thing)
>High Noon in Poland
i dont know that one
Infamous Solidarnosc poster. Basically an eloquent way of calling their commie rulers villains and asking people for the courage to fight them.
Solidarnosc kickstarted a lot of the 80s protests.
Before influencers existed, most memes and sayings were sourced from them. Plenty of tools modeled themselves after their fictional characters.
>Plenty of tools modeled themselves after their fictional characters
no we dont
>Stranger in A Strange Land
Literally what is so influential about that? I haven't even read it.
It's just standard 60's sci-fi lark, isn't it? Heinlein wrote a lot of books.
That book is pretty much the bible of hippies. All their communal free love spirituality is based on it.
Hippies are rooted in a 19th century German youth movement though.
Sure the bohemian aspects etc. I don't mean to simplify but atill the main ideological grounding comes from SIASL. heinlein promotes that human sexual moral is just learned behaviour and the cause of society's ills. Smith (who also has psi superpowers) founds a religion based on free love and all the girls love him and so on.
I guess you can say it got popular because it fit with their views but eh.
It got released in 61 I'm not aware of anyone else in the mainstream making such bold claims
It was shit, dropped it halfway through. The long dialogues between the rich, obese self insert of the author and the other characters bored me.
The Matrix, it warped the lexicon of the entire English speaking world. Case in point: redpilled, escaping the matrix, "I know kung fu" etc
Every movie Ryan Gosling has starred in.
reddit
lotr, harry potter
Godfather was a book first, but the movie had more of a cultural impact. Mafia dons literally changed how they spoke and acted based on Marlon
karate kid
Birth of a Nation
The Wizard of Oz
Rebel Without a Cause
The Godfather
Jaws
Star Wars
Titanic
???
???
Full Metal Jacket
bee movie
GOOD MORNING, SIR
what's the deal with repeating digits?
this unironically made be weep from different regions
The Matrix is the most significant movie probably ever.
Can I get a qrd on why it was so big? What was the draw? Why did it work? Did they even know what they were making was going to be so big?
If you lived that generation as a kid you imitated its moves in the playground. None of us saw it in the theaters.
>None of us saw it in the theaters
wut? I bought a ticket for the pokemon movie and walked into the matrix screening, Where you just moronic or something?
I saw a double feature of The Mummy/The Matrix at a drive-in theater when it they released.
24 series created obama.
SHUT THE BOARD DOWN, CLOSE IT MAKE Cinemaphile ABOUT TRANSEXUALS ITS OVER
Shouldn't Cinemaphile be "transvestites?"
Rocky Horror was pretty kino before the political mess we're in. Had the straightest dudes alive acting and dancing in the theaters alongside them.
Fawk thats what I mean, that crossdresssers right? PACK IT UP TV IS ABOUT TRANSVESTITES NOW ITS OFFICAL ITS BEGUN
Internet memes are pop culture now. Have been for about ten years or more.
Are people so slow to figure this out?
"The kids" care about Skibbidi Toilet and saying "gyatt" or whatever dumb shit they're doing now. They don't care about old media,
Yeah, they're all getting vetted now too. The Schneidersphere adapts
Seinfeld: "It's never been more over."
The world is healing.
>israelite mad about thing his people did
I'm guessing his early life section is getting a christian family replacement?
Jews aren’t a united group in case you haven’t noticed since the Israel Palestine war, where it’s been blatant.
You all deserve death. Your backstabbing snitching nature will help us with that.
Like 80-90% of all israelites are zionist. Just cuz you saw some news piece on a israelite lighting an israel flag doesnt mean they are a significant portion of israelites
103 palestinians died screaming in the last 24 hours
video games have replaced film
You mean watching someone play videogames while they talk to people who pay them to say hi , playing games is soooooo old ewwwwww
Oh pleeeeease.
Maybe financially but not really influentially. The movie-like cutscene games have gotten substantially worse if anything
20 years ago, yeah. Everything is just the internet now. That's what kids are into. Discord servers.
this is truly frightening. things don't have meaning anymore.
So basically we're less social globally but moreso locally within our own bubbles/niches??
>one successful show
>considers himself an authority on the direction of the current television and film industry
how is his ego still this inflated?
>cries out as he strikes you
I'll not make too fine a point and say that I don't belive that the genius behind the bee movie is in any way, shape, or form an authority on film.
He's still doing 35 year old jokes when he's on stage, I hope he dies soon
jerry seinfeld is a billionaire
He doesn’t have 1 billion dollars in net worth also how is it relevant?
boomers had like 4 tv channels, of course movies were bigger. tv shows were bigger. i though seinfeld was supposed to be smart
how is he complaining, you moron. he was asked about it and gave an answer. why would he care about the quality of slop you normalBlack folk get.
This is from a man that cast Amy Schumer in his movie.
tep 1 fix exbitor relations.
Stop demanding 75% of the take the first weekend, that model simply doesn’t work for theater owners.
Step 2
Smaller, better, cheaper.
A roadrunner movie should not cost 300 million, take 5 years to make, and be canceled before release. Everyone on set should be on thier feet doing something, consolidate makeup with custume resets, turnarounds for edits and post production should be weeks, not years,
(3)
End quotas, all white casts are based. You have gained nothing from diversity.
(4)
Stop gaming the rating systems, lie dictators that only get good feedback you have killed your own feedback loop, and now the audience knows it and doesn’t bealive anything.
(5)
Fix your marketing budgets, I know no idea where all this money goes, but your prime audience isn’t watching daytime tv. You should be buying Cinemaphile ads before you buy another m+m branded bag tie in
>jooz le bad
If you didn't have such a simpleton black and white world view you'd know Jerry is one of the based ones who hasn't been shy to share his opinion on "woke" culture. He was one of the first to stop doing Universities way back in the day because of woke and his show about comedians in cars is mostly white men and he's been called out on this before and his response was "I only see funny" and there just happens to be more funny white comedian men that not, so Jerry is staying true to his word when he says that. Oh, and Jerry is as israeli as you can get. If he didn't have the same opinions as you and instead was super woke, he'd be the perfect caricature of a israeli person for you (/pol/) to endlessly mock and shout "SEE HE IS JOOISH!!!"
Take ur meds.
I would welcome him into the Fourth Reich so long as he stays funny.
>Hollywood starts putting black people into everything
>the business is now dying
FRICKEN KEK
America invented and owns certain cultural institutions:
Movies
Rock and roll
Jazz
Rap/hip hop
Modern art (let's say post Picasso)
Etc.
They're all in decline or past it, as US itself is.
Movies were France.
Modern art is also Europe.
That's why you have that really old movie of that french girl and her pussy.
>that really old movie of that french girl and her pussy
I have never heard of this
Movies were invented by Edison who wasn’t French last time I checked
I think I shifted timelines. Jerry Seinfeld was dead in my previous one
Just say woke, Jerry! It went woke!
>dude who fricked a 17 year old at 40, which would send him to jail anywhere else but israelite york
>got paid millions to make a meme movie about poptarts
>his show from the 90s earns him more money than anything
>hangs out with presidents and a large donor of the democratic party
>gets to just be a huge piece of shit because boomers found him hilarious
Based and funpilled
Im seething about Jerry Seinfelds speeding tickets and unreturned library books and all not safe horny boners
Seinfeld drives boomer cars to compensate for his cut up israeli peanus weanus
Movies never should occupy that space. The fact people think Hollywood should be in everything like how people believe you should drink soda with every meal is moronic.
Basically, Jerry is like Gene Simmons talking about how being a rockstar/selling records is over because people no longer liked buying records.
>Movies never should occupy that space.
But they did and there was nothing wrong with that.
>people believe you should drink soda with every meal
No one believes that, you fricking 3rd worlder.
>Gene Simmons talking about how being a rockstar/selling records is over because people no longer liked buying records.
Gene Simmons is absolutely correct.
You made three moronic opinions in one post. BRAVO LOL
to imply that they ae the pinnacle and should be is to assume the pubilc is drone-like and should funnel themselves to a movie theater whenever something is produced.
Guaranteed, ask Seinfeld the last 5 movies he's actually gone out to the movies to see and he'll say he doesn't care. None of them want to watch them, they just want to profit off the model that (you) should and keep the wheel turning.
>to imply that they ae the pinnacle and should be is to assume the pubilc is drone-like and should funnel themselves to a movie theater whenever something is produced.
But that's what happened?
didn't read
never reading your replies for the rest of my life.
okay
He's just mad they stopped sending him fresh 17 yo's to frick
Why do so many of them look like rats?
Bees.
FRICKKKK BEEEEESSS
Seinfeld's been rich for so long off a show he was the absolute worst part of that he has no idea he was never good. Bee Movie flopped, this will flop, and his answer is, "everyone else fricked it up, nobody knows what's good anymore" and he's so rich he's having this headline astroturfed to protect his own ego
I think he knows he was the weakest part, he makes fun of his shitty acting all the time.
But I do think all the boomers that voluntarily paid money to watch his stand up shows made him think he's actually funny.
okay let's see the kino Seinfeld produces
oh...
dude has been irrelevant since the last seinfeld episode
I don’t have it in me to shitpost in this thread. I’m actually really depressed that we’re going to watch the death of cinema and art in our lifetimes.
If you want an image of the future, imagine a 12 year old scrolling through 10-second Family Guy clips — forever.
from death comes rebirth. haven't you seen the dark knight rises?
I mean you're probably going to watch the complete collapse of western society in your future so depending on your point of view it could still be comfy to watch.
But it's not even going to be fun. There are no great artists or intellectuals or warriors. When the West collapses it's just going to be black women twerking in the ruins and then demanding gibs from the successor states. The most boring collapse in human history.
You'll get to shoot some rioting homosexuals at least maybe before the end.
I don't think it'll be the death of cinema in its entirety, it's just an unraveling of Hollywood as this centralized cinema culture.
Change is always disorienting to the old, for their brains have lost plasticity and their pineal glands have calcified
Boomers are subhuman.
Gen Z are morons weak beta unless gays
Frick them
Gen z are cunning strong alpha unless heterosexual — abstain from them
Ps you wouldn’t feel that way if you had a 19 yo wife
>disorientation replaced it
good way to say your mad about your protected israelite status going bye bye
Something very obviously did fundamentally change with covid in that media in general and feature film in particular now feel like they have diminished cultural relevance. Indie film companies going closing up shop left and right, bigger studios being shuffled in giant shitty ass megacorp technopoly, Wall Street now accepting the fact that for 99% of streaming, shit isn't profitable.
Fricking tiktok replaced Hollywood, which is kind of sad and kind of satisfying at the same time.