>"I don't really miss it," Elizabeth Olsen revealed. "It’s been almost 10 years of playing her. And I’ve loved it. I think the reason why I am not calling Kevin Feige every day with ideas is because I’m really proud of what we were able to do. I think ‘WandaVision’ was a really surprising opportunity. If someone were to tell me that I’m fired from Marvel movies, I will feel proud of what we made. And I really am just trying to figure out how to load up other films and characters so it becomes less about the Marvel of it all.”
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/elizabeth-olsen-scarlet-witch-break-dont-miss-playing-her-1235638840/
It's just a negotiation tactic.
Yep. Tom Holland did the same thing.
And Hemsworth.
This, Hemsworth was playing this tune after Thor 4, now he's ready for Thor 5.
Or maybe she feels pigeonholed
>Without the MCU none of them is doing anything. RDJ's drama flopped, his Doolittle flopped, and the only role I've seen him having coming is in so tv show
He's in Nolan's Oppenheimer movie and his A24 series will probably be critically acclaimed
ScarJo gave em all a sense of pussy power
Would love to sniff Lizzie vagene
A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts. But some things deserve to last longer and be treated better.
I find it funny they did this as a way to show why the classic costumes don't work, when in reality is shows how great the classic costume actually looks on her.
>look we made really shitty versions of the old costumes dont they look so shitty this is what you wanted right guys
I mean yeah, I'm pretty happy with this.
Vision's costume is the one that's deliberately shitty. Meanwhile Wanda's looks great and Liz looks ever better in it
Love Lizzie so much bros.
Frickin same
Kind of true, I guess. MCU Vision even has a cape, which is more than you can say for most of the others. But I feel they went too far and made his costume ridiculously bad
Yeah, it's like they were going for dad costume but got carried away. Everyone's dressed a bit silly in that episode, but he's on another level. Maybe if it weren't quite so baggy?
If only they all could see her like we do.
I think Vision can also get away with a "joke" costume more than others because his default form is significantly farther along the comic book scale than most of the other characters.
Indeed. Lots of gypsies are mixed race, and American gypsies are usually highly assimilated. Dick finding out he was one was silly more for it being too convenient with his carny backstory.
The other irritant for me is the occasional person I see trying to headcanon Billy as a gypsy, like no, that was never a thing and it is absolutely not part of his identity or genetics in any way.
>The other irritant for me is the occasional person I see trying to headcanon Billy as a gypsy, like no, that was never a thing and it is absolutely not part of his identity or genetics in any way.
And the people insisting Wanda and Pietro need to be israeli in the comics and the MCU because of Magneto, even though they're no longer related. There's been at least one Marvel comic writer who would have accidentally made it canon if an editor hadn't corrected him, but even here on Cinemaphile some people get really uppity about it, you can't educate them, they just want their headcanon to be canon and won't take no for an answer.
Was this ever up for debate?
Doctor Strange 2 and Wandavision villainbatted her and killed her off, where there any morons convinced she'd be coming back from that?
Da frick are they even tried to do with her character?
>Entirety of WandaVision, the whole point of it is letting go of your trauma
>throw into mix some literally who villains so people don't think Wanda is the real villain
>In Dr.Strange she's a psycho murdering people left and right
>B-but mah evil book
So what was it? Was she manipulated? Then she's innocent, according to Cinemaphilemic book logic. Brainwashed/hypnotized etc etc. But then they pull off "mah KIDS" card and...
No, seriously, which is it? The book? Herself? Both? Donkey Kong? My fat ass? Make up your fricking mind, you idiots.
In Dissassembled and House of M it was fricking easy. 1st: she had a breakdown. 2nd: she was asked/guided/forced to alter the reality. See? E A S Y. Why make it so overconvoluted and then kill her off as some sort tragic hero
Its the book. The Darkhold amplifies your worst, most self destructive traits while reading it. It's a villain making machine. AoS had an entire arc to spell this out years before Wandavision.
Though, conversely, Wandavision and DS2 do a shit job at explaining what a fricking evil book the Darkhold is.
>Why make it so overconvoluted and then kill her off as some sort tragic hero
Because Kevin Feige is a hack and never gave a shit about actors that weren't RDJ and maybe Brie Larson. His cult of personality gives him too much credit
Because instead of sitting down and maybe mapping Wanda's arc out across Wandavision and Multiverse including the relevant macguffins, they just let the directors mostly do what they wanted after the Infinity saga. They genuinely wanted to be more hands off after Endgame especially since they now had to manage the D+ shows as well.
Which is fine, but you still need to keep tabs on things and make sure nobody's doing something really stupid like taking a character who just had a specific development arc and then doing a story that negates all that so the character can make a bunch of contextually stupid, contradictory decisions.
Wandavision had problems, but at least the people behind that production understood that Wanda isn't supposed to be an active supervillain. The trouble she causes is different. Doing a story where she's the big bad and has to be brought down by a superteam is missing the point to an embarrassing degree.
Yeah Feige post Endgame thought things would lighten up but Disney wanted a lot of content for D+ so it all just spiraled out of control in a messy way.
>Wandavision had problems, but at least the people behind that production understood that Wanda isn't supposed to be an active supervillain.
Did it though? The show handwaves away her actions even though they make a point of showing that Wanda was knowingly holding up the Hex despite the townspeople's suffering.
Most of these "directors" are just names for a screen. With the shows in particular, they have very little creative control, most of the scripts are already pre-planned by Feige/executives.
I can't speak for the movies, but the shows are all held hostage by the movie folks micromanaging the shit out of them
Well, in this case we already know the show was made and then the movie people paid no attention to it and made stuff up as they went along because they're fricking morons who don't know about basic due diligence.
It's all a fricking mess, don't get me wrong.
Consider Malcolm Spellman from Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Go to his imdb page now and look at how fricking nothing his experience his prior to F&TWS. He's just a name for the project, he has no fricking power over these scripts, and if his comments post show are to believed, he was never given a direct answer by Feige/the movie people about if Steve is dead or not by the time the show takes place. That's why they only refer to him in the most ambiguous, vague way possible. And these shows aren't shows, they're promotional material for the movies. SHIELD, the Netflixverse, and even clusterfricks like Agent Carter all were, for better or worse, actual shows that stand on their own and have the creative freedom needed to tell their own stories. The D+ stories are, by design, fluff. They only exist to prop up the movies and generate hype, and that's one of the many reasons why WV was such a clusterfrick
>didn't know his life status
You know, I did think it was a little odd how Steve wasn't really a topic in that show. That would explain it.
I think they wanted to keep the focus on Sam without bringing up Steve too much. Avoiding the inevitable they can't even make this show without bringing up Steve constantly critique.
>and that's one of the many reasons why WV was such a clusterfrick
But against all odds it ended up being one of the most popular and successful parts of Phase 4. So much so that Disney greenlit two spinoff shows. Whether they knew they wanted it or not, they've got something here, and what they're doing hasn't just been a failure to capitalize on that, it's been a refusal to capitalize on it.
As far as Wanda is concerned, they're just going to use her as the springboard which they can launch the Young Avengers
If they've got a popular character and all they can think to do with her is use her to launch next product, they deserve to keep failing.
Even now, after all of the X-Men characters have gotten over it and made peace with Wanda in the comics, the fandom is still full of people who hate her and want her "punished". The same people seem to be oddly baffled by Wanda fans who want her kept away from the X-books and mutant characters.
With phase 4 the hope was they could let the directors make good movies without as much oversight so the higher ups could focus on the new frontier that was D+. It obviously didn't work out as evidenced by Eternals, Multiverse, Thor and Quantumania, originally a phase 4 movie.
Eternals was set up to fail. There are elements of that movie I *really* don't like, but it's hard not to see from how the press handled that movie that Zhao was being hung out to dry.
Quantumania was fine, as much as I detest anyone involved with Rick and Morty failing upward into the Hollywood nepotism swamp, it was servicable as its own movie.
Multiverse and Thor sucked so hard, and dishonorary mention to GOTG3 which was basically just Gunn embarking on a controlled destruction of his corner of the MCU in a move more petty than Digimon 02's epilogue to prevent anyone else playing with his toys.
>With phase 4 the hope was they could let the directors make good movies without as much oversight
Is this from a press release or just Cinemaphile fanon/cope? Because movies like DS2 have been in development hell for years precisely because people like Feige couldn't stop shitting up the plans of directors.
I think Zhao wanted to do a character indie drama with super powers but that's not why people pay money to see superhero movies. Her vision and the genre weren't compatible when we're talking big blockbuster movies.
I felt the same way about out GOTG 3. It basically takes Gunn's guardians off the table but two to three of them were borderline moronic, Drax, Nebula and Mantis, so it's not a big loss to me.
DS2 wasn't as much of a development hell as you'd think. Derrickson walked away because Marvel wanted something different. Raimi came on and when the pandemic hit, him and Waldron worked out the movie which we got and months before DS2 hit they did some reshoots to alter Chavez character as she was initially like her comic self. Taika could do as he pleased and even Reed got to make most of the movie he wanted though Marvel had him alter the ending.
They'd never say that in a press release. It's been fanon cope for some time based on various things said and hinted at.
>In Dissassembled and House of M it was fricking easy.
It's not complete without Children's Crusade, which fixes this bullshit to a degree.
Rona fricked things over and Dr. Strange and Wandavision's releases and productions sort of got flipped around. Very far back in early drafts Strange's movie happens first, then she does the Wandavision stuff as cope.
Same as Evans and RDJ, they're just denying it so that their return in Secret Wars will hit bigger and that they can get more money. Without the MCU none of them is doing anything. RDJ's drama flopped, his Doolittle flopped, and the only role I've seen him having coming is in so tv show. Evans completely flopped and is doing shitty Apple romcomcs. Olsen has the best shot, but she was always going to return. They got her lesbuddy Plaza, she's not going to pass on it. She'll just not appear again after SW, and in the lead up to that it'll be just two or so total appearances, with a much higher salary. Only morons would think MOM was her last appearance.
You do know that RDJ made so much money he probably never has to work again if he doesn't want to, right? If he takes roles in things and they flop, it doesn't really matter to him. Unless he spends everything he's made, he doesn't need to come back to the MCU, though you may have a point on Evans. Unless he scores some big successes outside of the MCU, he may end up coming back if they offer him enough money. But backing out of Falcon as the new Captain America would be terrible from a PR standpoint, so they're probably not looking to bring Evans back any time soon.
With Olsen, she's in a position where some recent successes have really raised her profile, and Disney have made the mistake of not renewing her contract for any future appearances. And MCU commitments had forced her to turn down other work she was offered before. So even if they want her back, even if she wants to come back, there's going to have to be some kind of negotiation taking place over pay and what the role will involve. If she's serious about wanting a redemption arc after what they did to her, they might not get her back if all they've got planned is more villain stuff, or another 10 minute side role in someone else's story. And let's be honest, Wanda's one of their most popular female characters, right now the MCU needs her back more than Olsen needs go back to them. They need to offer her something worth coming back for.
She doesn't have any work lined up though. Marvel has way more power here because it's not as if she has a lot of roles in the pipeline.
>You do know that RDJ made so much money he probably never has to work again if he doesn't want to, right?
You can say that about like EVERY major actor though.
>RDJ's drama flopped, his Doolittle flopped, and the only role I've seen him having coming is in so tv show.
He still has a third Sherlock film to make.
Who the frick ever cared about her or Black Widow
Complete secondary characters who were only ever uninteresting backgrounds pieces in other peoples' movies.
I cared. 1) She's smokin hot. 2) WV is the only show I enjoyed from Midsney. Except the garbage ending.
Black Widow is just garbage character to begin with.
She was the first and only support character with genuine potential to grow into her own solo franchise. Then they went full moron and screwed it up due to an obsession with her villain era.
It seems like they've only even read wikipedia summaries or third-hand accounts of those comic stories. In Avengers Disassembled and House of M comics Wanda is mostly just a plot device who barely appears in either story, and has retreated into a fantasy world, unaware of what's going. She's not an active evil villain fighting heroes and trying to kill people like the MCU has turned her into.
She's talked about having been forced to turn down work she was offered because of MCU commitments. I doubt those offers have dried up after WandaVision really boosted her profile.
Her last two stories involved her doing something villainous then snapping out of it at the end when she realized what she'd done, the latter with her attempting suicide over it. Bringing her back and she's just a villain again would be moronic, it's just repeating the same character arc for a third time.
Everyone from Whedon to Feige and co to Elizabeth Olsen sees her as an active villain within those stories for whatever reason so it's not surprising they went that route.
That was then, not now. Maybe after Love and Death, she's getting more offers again but she wasn't for a while. Marvel was all she had between 2018 to 2022 and it wasn't because she had to turn down roles. She was the indie it girl for a couple years then Marvel swallowed her up.
I am in agreement but Marvel is thinking long term as well and willing to sacrifice one character, Wanda, if they get some more options on the table for the future, those being a new Avengers team and the Young Avengers. Whether either team works out remains to be seen.
>Wanda is mostly just a plot device who barely appears in either story
She was a plot device in AoU, and despite being the inciting actor in Civil War she's barely more than a supporting character. Feige has continually disrespected her character since she was introduced.
Based Lizzie knowing she's better than the MCU deserves
I love this woman so much bros you wouldn't believe
>do her
Okay.
That's it. I have nothing left to look for in the MCU (Loki is okay but it didn't grabbed me).
My guess is they'll just stick her into that Young Avengers project, probably on D+. At this point, there's no space for her in the movies outside of coming back for Kangz and Secret Wars.
This is ancient news and it also in no way means she's actually done with the role even if offered it again.
As a guest maybe. Wanda isn't really compatible with the YA context.
Best case scenario is the Agatha and Vision shows build to her return, and a new Wanda/Vision show.
The plan is a Young Avengers movie with her as the villain. A reverse Children's Crusade and Disassembled where a new Avengers team and the Young Avengers team get formed to stop her.
I hope one day I reach a point where me saying "I'm tired of making millions of dollars" is newsworthy.
This b***h just further poisoned the well of comic Wanda just like I knew she would, all we got were even worse retreads of the comic stories that ruined her. At this point I don't see how she could make anything worse, but I still hope she doesn't have a career
anon do you understand how movies work?
She joined the ever popular pile on of the ridiculing the comics female costume trend saying it would look ridiculous (even though she was proven wrong), she only read HOM, Disassembled and DTS, and that's where she drew her understanding of the character from, meaning she has absolutely no idea of who Wanda is. Now I'm reading she's been giving her "ideas" to Feige?
She's actively contributed to making the character even worse, and for that she deserves to continue to look like a rapidly ageing lab test monkey
>now i'm reading a thing she's saying she isn't doing
>this must mean she was doing it before, not that she's simply explaining that she isn't trying to push for new projects.
If that were a thing she was doing, it would have been public knowledge years ago because studios love to talk about actors having input since it rarely actually happens and it makes them look collaborative.
>bawwwww
>BAAAAWWWWWWW
>She joined the ever popular pile on of the ridiculing the comics female costume trend saying it would look ridiculous (even though she was proven wrong)
She said something in one interview years ago about being the only woman in the MCU who had a cleavage-exposing costume, and people are still bringing that up as something to hold against her, when more recently she was the one who pushed to wear the comic costume in WandaVision.
Her complaint never even read like she objected to her own costume, just that she was the only one dressing like that. But it was an interview from years ago, and she wore the comic costume more recently, so who even cares about that interview anymore?
>she only read HOM, Disassembled and DTS
Most of the MCU talent read the reference material they're given, they're not going to have read anything else. This is all on the people running the MCU that they actually thought those comics were appropriate reference material for understanding who the character is.
>Now I'm reading she's been giving her "ideas" to Feige?
Anon, if those ideas are anything other than "make her a villain" they're better ideas than Feige's own idea.
>This b***h just further poisoned the well of comic Wanda just like I knew she would,
Marvel Comics spent most of the last ten years either refusing to use Wanda at all, or refusing to do the things the MCU was doing with her, like making her an Avenger again or getting her back with Vision. The more popular she got in the MCU, the more they dragged up House of M and tried to get people to hate her. They've only recently stopped demonizing her and started writing her as a heroine again. Olsen didn't "poison the well" for comic Wanda, Marvel's editors and writers having some kind of collective hateboner for the character did. Even when they stopped abusing her, they don't seem to understand why she got popular, and their priorities are X-Men/Magneto stuff the fans mostly don't want and don't care about.
I always wondered why Marvel didn't pull the trigger on pushing Wanda outside of the mediocre run in 2016. Every other mcu character got some sort of push. Heavyweights like Tony and Carol were fricking everywhere. But not Wanda who had a fairly vocal fanbase even when she was just a supporting character.
Wanda didn't really get popular until her show. She was a minor side character up until then and while people liked her moments in Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame, she didn't actually do much until Wandavision
Yes but even Sam as a literal support in Cap 2 got a huge push from 2014 onward. Wanda got one little comic and that was it until her current similarly mid book.
Sam's more diverse than Wanda, that's why
Though if twittergays who don't even read comics get their way, she'll be vaguely brown forevermore
See, the thing is they do read comics. They just see the way she's colored now as the right way and the way it always should have been. Anyone who feels otherwise won't say so because they don't want to be harassed, at best, or doxed by the real crazies, at worst.
This seems to have infected Marvel on an editorial level now. In less than a year it's gone from being a coin-toss how the colorist will make her look, to vaguely brown across the board in any book she appears in.
>Stories in the 70s and 80s that weren't even really about Wanda but ended up dicking around with her backstory and parentage ended up wrecking her in the modern era because of bullies on Twitter harrassing comics artists and colorists.
These people are evil, yet they're convinced they're righteous. We'll never get the real Wanda back because of them.
>These people are evil, yet they're convinced they're righteous.
So it goes.
I don't trust anyone who thinks they're completely right, and I especially don't trust the righteous.
No matter how much they claim righteousness and say it's about muh representation, the way they've behaved makes it look far too much like it's really about taking male Avengers fans' waifu away from them, and taking her away from the female fans brought in by the MCU as well. And about trying to get Olsen fired from the role.
They badly want Olsen fired so their literal who fancast Gratiela Brancusi can be recast as Wanda. It's why I am happy there is no solo because they'd become insanely vocal about whitewashing Wanda on twitter which is full of people who'd jump on that cause without knowing anything beyond what the sjws of twitter tell them.
Correct. I've seen people on twitter practically ready to start an online mob if she is even colored lighter than she should be. A few months ago an artist got harassed because he did a cover tribute to the MCU version.
It's not just twitter, it's tumblr and discord too. The psycho sjw fans do exist there as well. It wouldn't surprise me if many of them are on all three platforms.
>It's not just twitter, it's tumblr and discord too. The psycho sjw fans do exist there as well. It wouldn't surprise me if many of them are on all three platforms.
You're forgetting that the SJW stereotype started on tumblr in the first place
Honestly, I think it was the porn ban that got them to spread over to twitter more
The porn ban screwed the internet over for sure. Tumblr was amazing when it came to it's porn side lol.
Of course, this is also deeply racist behavior of the subvariety known as colorism. Not every Roma person needs to look like they're Tamil. They lived in Europe for many centuries; lots of them are effectively white, especially if they migrated to the US. Characters like Wanda or Dick can have their heritage revealed, either to the reader or themselves, and not have it require them to suddenly be a different color precisely because their group already has a wide variety of skin tones and features.
Yes they did, considering they have been explicit that she was the true antagonist and you're essentially lying about the hex to push your agenda.
No you see, if a fictional person is even hinted to have a drop of Colored blood then making them look white is racist and illegal as far as those lunatics are concerned.
Neither Wanda nor Nightwing are meant to be 100% pure-blooded gypsy anyway. In both cases it's a retcon onto characters decades after they were created, and after decades of them being white. You can't just change their appearance that drastically and expect fans to just shut up and take it.
Even on places like CBR, people bringing up Wanda's Irish ancestor who looked identical to classic Wanda (pale skin, blue eyes, auburn hair) was making some people ape out at the very idea of her having non-gypsy ancestry, Twitter and Tumblr would lose their minds.
If only the comics writers of the past had the foresight to not retcon white characters into ever having any non-white ancestry, no matter how distant. The worst thing about it is that it was never even about Wanda. It was about Magneto's wife being a gypsy, without any thought given to how that affected the twins. Even now they're not related to him, somehow that part was kept canon.
I've seen some people mention that on twitter and get chimping as a response. As opposed to thoughtful discussion because these people's response is chimping out. They just wait for the smallest excuse to do it.
I'm half hoping they retcon it to Chthon is her real dad to miss all the Magneto stuff. The mom stuff can be figured out later. But Orlando would never.
>I'm half hoping they retcon it to Chthon is her real dad to miss all the Magneto stuff. The mom stuff can be figured out later. But Orlando would never.
It feels like Marvel have no intention of ever addressing who the father is unless they're allowed to make it Magneto, which Disney wouldn't let them do. So now they're ignoring that the twins hated him and having them want to pretend they're family. It's stupid, and they don't seem aware that 16 years of radicalizing X-Men fans to hate Wanda also led to radicalizing a lot of her fans to the point of them being happy with her not being a mutant and not being related to Magneto. They're focusing on things X-Men fans want over things Wanda's fans want for her.
Even the Heroes Reborn idea of Wanda being the Enchantress' daughter would probably have been less harmful to her in the long term than all the Magneto stuff has been.
Yeah I hate that. The people who want it to be Magneto are extremely vocal online and also present among the writers at Marvel. But Magneto is only a drag on her character.
That 2015 solo book for Wanda only happened because the writer pitched for it and managed to convince editorial they should do something with her now she was in the MCU. Marvel Comics' treatment to her only makes sense when seen through the context of the company being full of people who hated her for what they had her do in House of M, and people who had their autism triggered by her robosexuality.
People who, let's not forget, chose to remain seething even after the character was formally rehabilitated years ago when Heinberg basically said "frick all that bullshit, it was doom" and moved the characters on.
They're going to need to get on that at some point before Hailee starts applying for seniors discounts.
Apparently The Marvels has Kamala by the end trying to set up a young avengers team. So 2026 is the likely year unless they rush it out for 2025.
>Heinberg
He's the reason everything REALLY went to shit. You had C'Thon and Immortus right fricking there. Bendis' story, moronic as it was, at least made sense somewhat (aside from the kid bullshit) - her awareness of the scope of her powers sent her insane, she'd been steadily growing in power through Busieks run and as we all know reality warpers is crazy.
It didn't have to be a huge thing to solve. But then Heinberg adds MORE convoluted shit including a macguffin we'd never heard of and haven't since and thinks he's wrapped everything up in a neat little bow, despite making her even more accountable for her actions
Current marvel has editors? Are you sure?
>more accountable
that didn't happen though
The basic argument was just 'doom did some doom manipulation for power, the end'. It doesn't need the macguffin to be important later. Crazy reality warpers also doesn't jive with Billy, who's never had that problem and who is also kind of the protagonist of that story, which is partly about how other people are worried about nothing.
Yes, but people always point to the fact she turned to Doom of all people, in sound mind and in secret, that she's accountable for everything that happened. As opposed to much less accountability than if she was just mental from powers or being manipulated by an elder god.
>Billy
Which is also a mess of a situation. Darker than Scarlet gave her the 616 nexus story that said any bio kids would basically destroy the universe. His psuedo status muddies that. Besides I don't think he's really been one to watch by writers/editorial the same way Franklin or Legion have been for example.
I see his case like how people always say the phoenix sends everyone nuts, except that Rachel hosted it successfully for years. And he's been given a lot less spotlight than she has
In my book Doom is a get out of jail free card because you can handwave anything as being art of some ridiculous plot. She turned to him because Doom arranged it etc.
Billy probably also has special immunity to crazy because of his other status as future god. Tommy could be a problem, but luckily no one remembers he exists.
>Tommy could be a problem, but luckily no one remembers he exists.
Nobody except the fujos, God help him.
>Current marvel has editors? Are you sure?
This was almost ten years ago, with Remender's Uncanny Avengers, but the editor was Brevoort, who's still there. Brevoort is probably the main reason we can't have Wanda/Vision in the comics and they've wasted so many years pushing both characters with other people instead, but Brevoort is also the guy who knows Marvel history and canon enough that he was able to tell Remender that Wanda wasn't israeli.
>Darker than Scarlet gave her the 616 nexus story that said any bio kids would basically destroy the universe.
Isn't the "Wanda's kids would be a threat to the universe" part from Avengers Forever? The original story in West Coast Avengers was just Immortus trying to steal her power. In addition to Wiccan and Speed, other AU versions of Wanda's kids we've seen weren't that dangerous.
Immortus said he manipulated her into her relationship with Vision because if she had bio kids they'd have "the power to shake up the universe". Apparently he thought it was a problem that needed avoiding
>In addition to Wiccan and Speed, other AU versions of Wanda's kids we've seen weren't that dangerous
It's only supposed to apply to 616 Wanda, and again they technically aren't her kids, sort of kind of
>Immortus said he manipulated her into her relationship with Vision because if she had bio kids they'd have "the power to shake up the universe". Apparently he thought it was a problem that needed avoiding
Again, that's from Avengers Forever, not the earlier story. And the idea was that Immortus took advantage of the already existing relationship between Wanda and Vision, and showed Vision a version of his past that gave him the confidence he needed to propose to Wanda. This has been misinterpreted, possibility deliberately, by people who don't like the pairing, to claim Immortus manipulated their whole relationship and made them fall in love, but that's not true.
It's been awhile since I've read DTS, but I'm fairly certain this is just going over the same stuff already covered by Immortus explaining what a nexus being is and his whole plan in the initial story.
I think at Marvel the only ones who gave a shit about her outside of that writer are Al Ewing and Leah Williams. Hickman and Gillen definitely don't give af.
As this is a co thread what do you anons hope to see from the MCU Wanda when she returns? And what would you like to see from comic Wanda through her solo book, contest of chaos and the new Avengers run by Mackay?
What's even there to be proud of
>"the Marvel of it all"
Lmao actors really grow to despise working for this company
Yes because she hasn't had a job outside Marvel for like five years until Love and Death. It must be at least a little bit embarrassing for her. Her sort of bestie Aubrey Plaza has a bunch of work and so do other Marvel actresses except Brie. I think the doing only Marvel till the tv show plus the very mixed reception to Multiverse mindbroke her.