wrong, I want the strike to continue going on so lose their homes and live in the tent cities with all the illegals they love importing
I'm not indifferent to their suffering: I am an active enjoyer of it.
This kind of thing is propped up by the wga to make us look like we're evil instead of just disagreeing. It's really fricking pathetic. We already took the white house it's time to move forward with dignity.
The horrible shit about all the evil things mean old Cinemaphileners want. It's all a larp by democrats, homosexuals, nazis, and trannies to divide the white race anon. Same with all the anti semitism. It's pathetic.
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Well I'm a mean old Cinemaphilener and I assure you, I genuinely want those things, and those are probably some of my kinder desires. I simply want them to get what they're voting for.
>Cinemaphile cant stop posting and b***hing about it the entire time >heh we were actually indifferent
you might be the single most pathetic poster ive ever seen on this site
not really, most of the writer's that were in the middle of shiows or developing movies will go back so that the slates staya as consistent as possible (since its cheaper than starting a new project from scratch). some will get cancellede but most of those writers will have a termination clause that will get them some good money. whats really going to happen is that the big content boom from before will contract and there will be just less work all around in the future until we get to the next content boom, as these things generally go in cycles.
they have something planned. last strike they gave them dvd royalties then hulu was up and running a month later. streaming made all they won essentialy pointless.
>better residuals with a success-based bonus >no rewriting AI scripts or using scripts to train AI >mandatory writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season >payment for film script rewrites
>minimum 6 writers with an extra writer added for each 2 additional episodes
I know writers rooms were already severely overpopulated but I was hoping this strike would end that. Studios cucked out.
>better residuals with a success-based bonus
will they strike again when they get paid dogshit or will they have to adapt and stop throwing garbage at people >no rewriting AI scripts or using scripts to train AI
who do these people think they are? that's straight up ultra conservative holding back the unyielding tide of the future shit. They'd have an easier time reversing gay rights
>who do these people think they are? that's straight up ultra conservative holding back the unyielding tide of the future shit. They'd have an easier time reversing gay rights
maybe they want to have jobs in 30 years time anon
Lmao, good luck. I wouldn't be surprised if the execs just generate the scripts themselves (or more accurately have their zoomer grandchildren do it), then just edit them 2% and submit them to the writer's room like it was produced by some "unknown talent", aka that same zoomer who wants a fat paycheck.
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
Well at least it's not fricking 20
Who in the Black person fricking hell wants 12 writers?
Fricking nobody else wrote Dune than Frank Herbert.
Little homosexual CalArts pansies. I'm glad they have to live in LA.
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
So can my pilot never get greenlit now because I need 6 union writers in my production from the get go?
>mandatory writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
If this goes through it will be absolutely disastrous.
I would say "Why would any writer even want this?" but then I remembered that we're talking about leftoid troony women writers, entirely different from the mental imagine one imagines when they think of a traditional 'writer' who considers his scripts to be his children and the like.
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
what's the point of this?
>probably to better split up the work load and to bounce ideas off eachother
This isn't CGI Teams mate (who just Unionized themselves).
Writers don't have a gripe about deadlines. Be forced to work overtime. In fact, not one complaint during the strike was about working conditions.
I mean shit, before the Strike, did you ever see any writer's interviewed: >"So, WW84 was a creative disaster. Why was that?" >"Glad you asked, it's because we only had 7 writers in the room. We needed at least 13 more. These 3 hour days are killing us!"
20 writers in a writers room may sound moronic to us. But this was literally a demand by the WGA.
20 writers makes more sense if you're making a 26-episode season where the episodes aren't necessary dependent on each other or some shit. That'd be absurd as frick for a tightly paced movie, or with the new streaming strategy of 4-6 episodes per season that is really just a long-ass movie.
>what's the point of this?
writer's rooms of that size are critical for lengthy tv seasons. most people don't realize just how many things go into writing a television show. you need at least one person to do storyboards, obviously. someone to write dialogue, someone to punch-up the dialogue, a general editor, someone to write on the whiteboard, someone to keep track of the lore/timeline, someone to order chipotle, someone to scroll twitter and share funny memes, someone to post pictures of the group on social media, etc. there are a lot of moving parts.
Talking about writers rooms always makes me think about Rick&Morty BTS
About how Roiland had to hire untalented writers he didn't want on the show thanks to the co-showrunner being a hardcore liberal. Roiland would get so annoyed that he couldn't create with this "new&improved" writers room that he instead would go shoot nerf guns around the office.
Imagine if the WGA told Matt Stone/Trey Parker that they needed to add 6 diverse writer's to their team?
The quality of the writing of Rick and Morty can be felt so hard in season 3. It just all-around unfunny compared to the first two seasons.
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That's because Harmon made everyone hire a bunch of female writers for the show. Noticeable drop in quality from there
Talking about writers rooms always makes me think about Rick&Morty BTS
About how Roiland had to hire untalented writers he didn't want on the show thanks to the co-showrunner being a hardcore liberal. Roiland would get so annoyed that he couldn't create with this "new&improved" writers room that he instead would go shoot nerf guns around the office.
Imagine if the WGA told Matt Stone/Trey Parker that they needed to add 6 diverse writer's to their team?
tbf Matt and Trey have not given a shit about South Park in ten years at least so I doubt they would care as much, depending on how much money they still get paid
Imagine if we went back to 20+ episode seasons and how many writers it would take to make the shows. My math isn't great, but I'd say every show would have about 30+ writers.
>AI can still be used just under some conditions >lower number of writers than they asked for
So all they got is a bit more of money which is more than likely still far from what they asked lol
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
jesus fricking christ
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
LOL
>israeli executives
Redundant. Just say executives.
Also, can't wait for the high quality content we're about to get that doesn't push a political agenda.
Writers make money by selling their labor and services or through their independently owned labor so yeah, they’re not. A capitalist makes money off their ownership of capital like say, owning a movie studio.
Did anyone feel the effects of the strike?
The studios absolutely did. Bill Maher and Drew Barrymore were ready to scab before public outcry and AMPTP finally coming to the table happened.
>Bill Maher and Drew Barrymore were ready to scab before public outcry
They were just warned in private the strike was ending. Imagine believing the public outdry did anything when 95% of the people are against the unions.
I know they can't say until the final contract is signed, but did they actually get full time writers room requirements and banning ai assisted scripts? I find that hard to believe
No the wga represents straight up communism. No other union does. Frick the wga and everything they produce. They are a font of grand subversion and they should not be trusted regardless of how this plays out. They caused the last decade of bullshit. You don't really hate democrats or Republicans you just hate the shit that's been buzzing in your ear
I don't believe you and it's frustrating that you think all criticism is mental illness. I dont know that the subversion is intrntional by each individual agent of the machine but the overall intent is clear.
Yeah, it's probably not orchestrated. It's more a birds of a feather sort of thing. People that are more similar to ones with social influence gain influence while people that are more different get ostracised until they're left with an radicalized echo chamber with momentum of its own.
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But those birds got the message from the internet. They were emboldened by foreign agents same as the magats.
8 months ago
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>foreign agents
hello there CIA, i bet the constant govenrment unethical intervation and manipulation of its own population has nothing to do with it, it must bet the vodka addicted vatniks or some chink spy posting their stupid shit on the internet
8 months ago
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I'm not the fricking Cia because i think you suck. You're literally using magat cope now. Listen to yourself.
The studios did which is why they caved. If the strikes continued Dancing With The Stars would have likely stopped production, so your mom would be aware of the writer's strike.
Me during the entire thing.
seriously, nobody gives a shit. Yes, morons on Cinemaphile ARE nobodies. That's why you are here and not outside talking to people.
Reminder that you, who are now reading this comment, should NEVER pay for any entertainment that is antagonistic towards you, your race, your country and your beliefs. There's a torrent of options to watch stuff
You realize house cleaning gonna start after ~~*Yom Kippur*~~ now the strikes are done? Once the union members contract ends with the studios instead of rehiring them they'll look for a non union member
>. They are fricking scared.
I don't understand why anybody is scared of Trump getting re-elected. The 2020 steal was successful, just do that again, And for a laugh, make Biden get 160million votes instead of 81.
>and no one does anything about it
that's exactly what will happen. What do you expect when Trump had the option to pardon everyone at J6 and didn't even talk about or refer to them until he started campaigning this year.
No one will do shit to support him again when the very blatant stolen election happens again.
>they're going to send Trump to prison for.
why even give him a trial. Just throw him into solitary and torture him for years without legal representation like all the J6 political prisoners. The only thing that will happen is all his supporters will call each other glowBlack person feds when they suggest any kind of response.
>WGA: We want a wage covers our sustainable livelihood, $11k-$14k per week isn't enough >Studios: This is the final deal or frick off >WGA: Fine we'll take it
lol, lmao even
That's what I was wondering too but hardly an impossible problem to solve, NDAs or agreements of some type. They'll figure it out, israelites are good with money and numbers.
Finally.
Where else am I going to get my dose of black people in Star Wars and Lord of the Rings and quippy jokes?
I want to finish the 2020's with 2 dozen more "Well that just happened."'s!
You can do it, you brilliant bastards! Subvert my expectations by having the couple have a fight over a misunderstanding!
I'm happy because one piece season 2 can start production now and we can finally hear the actors talking about the project, but I wanted them to wait until late november so that the marvels and that hunger games prequel get no promotion and bomb horribly
Their argument is that you need a lot of writers so everyone can bounce ideas off each other. "Even House needed a team." The second argument that should concern no one is give new writers a chance to gain experience as well as shadow veteran writers.
The true reason is more writers means more union members paying dues.
I get that every writer wants to get their unemployed buddy a job writing and writer's rooms need to increase in size to do that.
But has anyone ever heard the expression, >"Too Many Cooks"
Imagine being a talented writer and be forced to take on 3 blue haired trannies solely looking to push the message.
More writers is more fricked up than restricting A.I.
The writers essentially want their job to be exactly like their college writing workshop, except with less accountability and they're getting the checks.
Wish it would have gone on for longer, but the damage is already done. Hollywood will never recover from the loss of production and especially from these major profit-eating deals for the writers and actors.
What if I told you it was never about profit in the first place, and that most of Hollywood is a propaganda machine that's bankrolled by people with infinite dollars to burn?
No, I'm the type that believes in loss leading industries. You loss lead with propaganda, media, but then you get to influence public opinion, which you can then cash out on by selling more vaccines or some shit.
>ban on AI
good, they are accelerating their decline. their broken and corrupt industry cant die soon enough. hollywood cant even compete with youtube videos anymore
DC and Marvel are all flopping. Imagine having to pay even more money to produce this garbage that will flop even harder because of how much more they will be designed by committee.
I was hoping it would end with an all out gladiatorial match in which the writers and who ever else was involved would have to kill each other and determine who comes out on top.
Two does seem to be the magic number. You know, providing they're both strong writers independently. Like have one guy that understands people really well, and another with a better head for thinking through causality. Even if they hate each other, and have completely opposite visions, when they find compromises the final product is usually superior because of it. Anything more than that and it loses all its soul.
Writing work isn't guaranteed, you write a show for a few weeks or months, if it gets picked up for another season in a few more months you'll have work again for a few weeks or months, they're just trying to create more jobs for themselves.
It's not like you can just clock in for 8 hours a day at the writing Factory, you have to be on your hustle looking for work constantly.
How does more writers create more jobs. I don't see how your post actually addresses mine.
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More writers is more jobs, if my show now needs to hire eight writers instead of six that's two more jobs.
8 months ago
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Oh I see sorry. That seems sleazy on the wgas end tbh. You know more writers won't make them better products.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah but the WGA is a union they don't care about making a good product they care about getting the best deal for their union members and making sure that there's a lot of work available is in their best interest.
8 months ago
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But that's the issue is your telling me the union exists to grind down talent in the name of comfort and security for a group of people that the union is kind of designed to make increasingly worse at the job. You keep throwing away the best writers and averaging a new crop of shitty ones. By nature of the machine you cannot ever get more talented.This is my overall problem with communism in general.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You can have that take and I don't think it would be wrong, but I'm not going to begrudge a man trying to get the best deal for himself as an employee, that's part of capitalism too.
8 months ago
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They aren’t creating more writers, just more openings per project
8 months ago
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Its so obviously a racket so big writers can give their friends and sycophants jobs on the writers room.
8 months ago
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Yes that’s what it is. If you have 100 writers and 10 ongoing projects at a given time, each hiring 6, 40 of them will be unemployed. If you set 8 as the minimum, only 20 will be jobless. It lowers the barrier of entry at the cost of the studio’s budget
8 months ago
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>It lowers the barrier of entry at the cost of the studio’s budget
And the cost of too many cooks in the kitchen.
8 months ago
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the production time of a tv show needs at minimum that many writers because they're spread out among the episodes.
8 months ago
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no they don't. some shows only need one or two writers. it should be determined by the show creators.
8 months ago
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Yeah I wrote that and deleted it. You simply can’t make art when there’s ten different visions and perspectives. And you end up with inconsistent, shallow characters, poor pacing and an overall lack of focus
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The point is the big writer names still control who gets what. You bow to them or you get squat like always, but now that's even more pronounced.
Look guys he's one of us he used a Gundam meme. Trying to appeal to nostalgia is just despicable
have a nice day reddit agitator literally nobody here pays to watch shit its just Indians shilling why do you waste your time?
8 months ago
Anonymous
You people are fricked. All this shit is dying and the left is having their little gasp like trump is. You people have no arguments in your favor at all. You're paper tigers. You turn to dust as soon as you're challenged and start attacking because the brains you had abandoned you.
8 months ago
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As far as I know, the real big name writers still work alone. It’s just that any moron who would be filtered in the hiring process can now land a job. Overall average skill level goes down even more
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Look guys he's one of us he used a Gundam meme. Trying to appeal to nostalgia is just despicable
Sure, nepotism is part of it, but I also think that the sort of mediocre person that would ever want be a part of a union always knows they're mediocre, and is hella insecure about it. They think if it's only them with a completely mid idea against someone with a better idea they'll never be able to argue it, but if it's ten other writers with the same mid idea they can browbeat with pure numbers while feeling like they're making valuable contributions.
Yeah it has to be mediocrity and insecurity, no way somebody would just want to make sure that there's more work available in their profession, that would be crazy.
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There's always work for writers that are amazing. There's just not always work for ones that are average. If the only thing they cared about was job security they could have that by being amazing. So why be a sleazy union thug instead? Because they know they'll never be recognized as amazing.
8 months ago
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that basically every competitive specialized career, normies get BFTO for being average and not being recognized as much as real talented people, so they start to make demands to at least guarantee their jobs and some privileges they couldnt get by themselves, sadly the current world is ruled by the weak
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah no shit, not everyone can be amazing that's the definition of amazing you have to be exceptional it's impossible for everyone to be exceptional.
I don't see the issue with them wanting to secure work for themselves?
8 months ago
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I wasn't arguing that's there's anything necessarily wrong with the survival technique. My observation is only that it's one that only(predomintely) mediocre people have. When it comes to the top achievers in any competitive field they don't even often want a safety net. They want to succeed or they want to die trying. The less spots there are, the harder it is to fill one, the more of a fire they get under their asses.
8 months ago
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I've not had that observation, lots of really good writers are in the union and remain in the union after achieving great success, many of them are even critical of the Union but still remain in it because of the benefits it provides even if you're exceptional there are still benefits to being in a union.
8 months ago
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I see that as a social capital thing. We're social animals first. Even if you clearly don't need no stinking union to be financially successful, you still probably need friends, and not supporting popular union is one of the fastest ways of going from everyone loving you to being persona non grata.
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I find that hard to believe, but even then you could just argue that fellowship and friends are just another benefit of the Union.
BPD women have a justified faith in their ability to dominate a room through a wide array of psychological techniques they've mastered through naturally acting on their unnatural urges. Put a BPD woman in a room full of apolitical timid submissive nerds and the result is comparable to throwing a half-starved weasel into Calhoun's mouse utopia.
i can't believe writer's rooms exist
imagine doing something as intimate as writing and actually WANTING to be around a bunch of homosexuals constantly talking to you
just a bunch of morons who want to steal each others' ideas in real-time
All I can think of is coming up with a cohesive vision and then having some butthole ruin it by putting a quip in a dramatic moment, or something like that. And having to fight endlessly about shit like that. Actual nightmare fuel.
Then if you try to argue they report you for being “difficult” or “not a team player”. Everyone’s scared to speak up or suggest anything that isn’t very tame
I don't think Cinemaphile or even the right wing is anti union. but does everyone really deserve one? Fastfood workers fricking don't. Auto workers do. Writers don't. Rail workers do. Shit I even respect the grocers.
It's mostly because they're primarily a mechanism a that unproductive majority utilizes to exploit the labour of a more productive minority. I mean, if you're actually talented writer, a genius of your craft, then do any of these demands help ou in the slightest? No, of course you don't. You want as few other hacks in the room putting fingers in the pie while stealing credit for your better ideas as possible. Meanwhile all I want is for the makers in the world to be able to make without takers and fakers standing in the way. Strikes are anti-business, and anti-business is anti-life. If you can't make a product that others are willing to pay for at a price you're happy to sell at then that's on you for being shit. Either git gud or find a different line of work. What's fricked up is making it harder for people that aren't shit to make a good living as well.
"The artificially high wages forced on the economy by compulsory unionism imposed economic hardships on other groups—particularly on non-union workers and on unskilled labor, which was being squeezed gradually out of the market. Today’s widespread unemployment is the result of organized labor’s privileges and of allied measures, such as minimum wage laws. For years, the unions supported these measures and sundry welfare legislation, apparently in the belief that the costs would be paid by taxes imposed on the rich. The growth of inflation has shown that the major victim of government spending and of taxation is the middle class. Organized labor is part of the middle class—and the actual value of labor’s forced “social gains” is now being wiped out."
On the "unproductive majority exploiting the labor of a productive minority" point, imo it is really exploiting the solidarity between bourgeois WGA and the blue collar unions that the studios actually need which makes it more insidious.
everyone should be against government unions. they steal from the taxpayer and aren't accountable to the taxpayer either. writers unions and actors unions are also very gay and a mockery of what a unions should be
You make a mistake by looking for logic here. Cinemaphile hates the writers and they hate the executives. So they search for a world that leads to both suffering. There’s no application of a greater philosophy here. Just (arguably deserved) hate.
Both sides will say they "won" but in the end entertainment should be a non-profit industry at the very least (better still incorporated into necessary industries) with anyone working in the industry only able to make a modest living at most. All of the money wasted on these films/show could be and should be saving lives or training people for necessary industries.
value is subjective, and operational profit its what determine what to make, the masses always want better stuff with time, if werent for stockholder system and govern plus unions making quality worse, industry growth would equal quality
Art is subjective, yes. That is precisely why it should be non-profit. >the masses always want better stuff with time
Maybe when it comes to tech, because people just want convenience, but the entertainment that makes the most money is not what I would call "quality."
value is subjective for everything anon, there is no such thing as objective value, humans spend money on their want and not their needs, to determine where to better allocate resources profit is needed since people are free to choose where to spend their money
>deal ends up being actors get 5 cents more a month and writers get 20 grand a week
thanks actor bros, youll make up those lost wages in no time, just a short 15,000 years ezy
yep. then the smaller ones will start to be swallowed or just disappear until we have about three streaming services. it’s going to accelerate the bleeding
Meanwhile I'm just counting the breaths before alt conservative Hollywood steps in to take centre spotlight. The long march through the institutions has already begun.
>write & produce shit >get paid less because people don't want to watch shit >protest because you aren't getting 9-10 figures for the shit you're making >studios still cave
If what we got in the months leading up to and during the strike was bad, then I think we're in for a hell of a ride in the near future. Nobody wins. Zoomers and Millennials with inflated egos and superiority complexes continue to pump Hollywood full of garbage, execs continue to not give two shits and continue to run legacy studios and IPs into the ground, and people will still turn up in droves for this slop.
Based I love movies and television and I'm glad we're getting more.
Frick off reddit
Salty much?
All wga homosexualry. They'd kill themselves if they understood how indifferent we'd be had they not posted here.
wrong, I want the strike to continue going on so lose their homes and live in the tent cities with all the illegals they love importing
I'm not indifferent to their suffering: I am an active enjoyer of it.
This kind of thing is propped up by the wga to make us look like we're evil instead of just disagreeing. It's really fricking pathetic. We already took the white house it's time to move forward with dignity.
I actually don't even understand your larp or what you're going for, but ok
The horrible shit about all the evil things mean old Cinemaphileners want. It's all a larp by democrats, homosexuals, nazis, and trannies to divide the white race anon. Same with all the anti semitism. It's pathetic.
Well I'm a mean old Cinemaphilener and I assure you, I genuinely want those things, and those are probably some of my kinder desires. I simply want them to get what they're voting for.
>Cinemaphile cant stop posting and b***hing about it the entire time
>heh we were actually indifferent
you might be the single most pathetic poster ive ever seen on this site
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
SAG is still on and they had the more legitimate b***h
The writers legitimately deserved to get fired
LOL
>left and right hands clasped rather than 2 separate people
Oh god, this is subtle
That's israelites for you, they always have that sort of so out in the open you'll miss it humor
it is two hands rubbing together
good eye
Unless they are unions of egoists or unions of scabs, abolish unions.
no shot, actors are more important than writers, with actors striking they can't even release existing movie because they need actors for marketing
Writers are way more important than actors.
Good actors are easy to find. Most of the best films ever were filled with comparative literally whos.
>The writers legitimately deserved to get fired
Many of them will. When the writers went on strike they essentially "fired" themselves to do so. Its up to the studios to rehire them now.
not really, most of the writer's that were in the middle of shiows or developing movies will go back so that the slates staya as consistent as possible (since its cheaper than starting a new project from scratch). some will get cancellede but most of those writers will have a termination clause that will get them some good money. whats really going to happen is that the big content boom from before will contract and there will be just less work all around in the future until we get to the next content boom, as these things generally go in cycles.
Cringe I hate movies and television and I'm sad we're getting more
I say that
Chud sisters, they're going to make more movies we don't like...
GOD DAMMIT
GOD NO PLEASE
GOOD. IM GLAD ITS FRICKING OVER
Social media campaign to promote disinformation?
Nope it's real
Official from the WGA this time. It's not signed though, so it could always go south somehow.
Prayers up.
No, the Adam Ruins Everything guy (who's one of the WGA leaders) confirmed it
you're kinda moronic, arent you?
See? Maher pulled his show because he heard they promised they would get this done by the week
He threatened to bring his show back to motivate them
Sad day
I miss when Colbert was funny
cringe
so what were the terms
Mandatory gender and race swaps on all legacy (white) characters.
residuals on streaming shows and no AI, basically
There's no fricking way the studios would back down on A.I it's too valuable
probably only banned ai for like five years if true
they have something planned. last strike they gave them dvd royalties then hulu was up and running a month later. streaming made all they won essentialy pointless.
Streaming isn’t even profitable. They’re spending way more money than they’re getting. Solely relying on it is impossible.
yep. they don't want those streaming numbers public. i'm not holding my breath over "more transparency"
So we're definitely getting another round of low-watched stuff gutted from streaming services again so they won't have to pay, right?
>better residuals with a success-based bonus
>no rewriting AI scripts or using scripts to train AI
>mandatory writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
>payment for film script rewrites
>mandatory writers room with a minimum of 6 writers
WGA fought for 15 lmfao
No it was always for 6-12 writers per season
They must have gauged just how much nobody gives a shit and even absolutely despises them. Genuinely surreal how bad the media landscape is now.
Currently made up, they haven't released the terms and have specifically made sure to say they aren't saying anything until the contract is finalized.
>minimum 6 writers with an extra writer added for each 2 additional episodes
I know writers rooms were already severely overpopulated but I was hoping this strike would end that. Studios cucked out.
Also increased transparency for viewership numbers, which is linked to the success-based bonus point
>6 episode season
Frick these people.
The minimum writer requirement is so arbitrary and counterproductive. Seeing even 3 screenwriters on a single film is a red flag.
Can't wait for every new D+ Marvel and SW show to be five episodes long and air two seasons a year lol.
>better residuals with a success-based bonus
will they strike again when they get paid dogshit or will they have to adapt and stop throwing garbage at people
>no rewriting AI scripts or using scripts to train AI
who do these people think they are? that's straight up ultra conservative holding back the unyielding tide of the future shit. They'd have an easier time reversing gay rights
>who do these people think they are? that's straight up ultra conservative holding back the unyielding tide of the future shit. They'd have an easier time reversing gay rights
maybe they want to have jobs in 30 years time anon
Lmao, good luck. I wouldn't be surprised if the execs just generate the scripts themselves (or more accurately have their zoomer grandchildren do it), then just edit them 2% and submit them to the writer's room like it was produced by some "unknown talent", aka that same zoomer who wants a fat paycheck.
Zoomers can’t operate technology. They’re as bad as boomers.
This is cope. Zoomers are the generation that knows the most about technology and the Internet by far.
you know, learn to code, or whatever
These were the terms before the deal was made. Who knows what will have actually been met.
The AI stuff is good but I guess but that minimum writers thing seems bad possibly
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
Well at least it's not fricking 20
Who in the Black person fricking hell wants 12 writers?
Fricking nobody else wrote Dune than Frank Herbert.
Little homosexual CalArts pansies. I'm glad they have to live in LA.
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
So can my pilot never get greenlit now because I need 6 union writers in my production from the get go?
It will be greenlit because the studio has no choice. Just get 6 of your friends and you gucci.
Lmao imagine having 12 writers in one room, imagine the smell
>mandatory writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
If this goes through it will be absolutely disastrous.
I would say "Why would any writer even want this?" but then I remembered that we're talking about leftoid troony women writers, entirely different from the mental imagine one imagines when they think of a traditional 'writer' who considers his scripts to be his children and the like.
they need at least 6 women to come up ideas
Most good shows have more than 6 writers per season
But that's back when writers were hired by TALENT
Thanks to the Strike writers are now hired by QUOTA
See the difference?
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
what's the point of this?
probably to better split up the work load and to bounce ideas off eachother
>probably to better split up the work load and to bounce ideas off eachother
This isn't CGI Teams mate (who just Unionized themselves).
Writers don't have a gripe about deadlines. Be forced to work overtime. In fact, not one complaint during the strike was about working conditions.
I mean shit, before the Strike, did you ever see any writer's interviewed:
>"So, WW84 was a creative disaster. Why was that?"
>"Glad you asked, it's because we only had 7 writers in the room. We needed at least 13 more. These 3 hour days are killing us!"
20 writers in a writers room may sound moronic to us. But this was literally a demand by the WGA.
20 writers makes more sense if you're making a 26-episode season where the episodes aren't necessary dependent on each other or some shit. That'd be absurd as frick for a tightly paced movie, or with the new streaming strategy of 4-6 episodes per season that is really just a long-ass movie.
More writers = more union dues = union makes a shit ton more money. It's just pure israelitery.
>what's the point of this?
writer's rooms of that size are critical for lengthy tv seasons. most people don't realize just how many things go into writing a television show. you need at least one person to do storyboards, obviously. someone to write dialogue, someone to punch-up the dialogue, a general editor, someone to write on the whiteboard, someone to keep track of the lore/timeline, someone to order chipotle, someone to scroll twitter and share funny memes, someone to post pictures of the group on social media, etc. there are a lot of moving parts.
Talking about writers rooms always makes me think about Rick&Morty BTS
About how Roiland had to hire untalented writers he didn't want on the show thanks to the co-showrunner being a hardcore liberal. Roiland would get so annoyed that he couldn't create with this "new&improved" writers room that he instead would go shoot nerf guns around the office.
Imagine if the WGA told Matt Stone/Trey Parker that they needed to add 6 diverse writer's to their team?
The quality of the writing of Rick and Morty can be felt so hard in season 3. It just all-around unfunny compared to the first two seasons.
That's because Harmon made everyone hire a bunch of female writers for the show. Noticeable drop in quality from there
tbf Matt and Trey have not given a shit about South Park in ten years at least so I doubt they would care as much, depending on how much money they still get paid
Now that you mention it, will Trey Parker and Matt Stone have to open their writing room?
I think they already opened up the writer's room and made it diverse enough that nobody will bother them. They're there to get them coffee and shit.
Isn't that what happened to It's Always Sunny post-season 13?
>6 episode seasons
This trend sucks so much.
Imagine if we went back to 20+ episode seasons and how many writers it would take to make the shows. My math isn't great, but I'd say every show would have about 30+ writers.
>AI can still be used just under some conditions
>lower number of writers than they asked for
So all they got is a bit more of money which is more than likely still far from what they asked lol
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
jesus fricking christ
>studios no longer order more than 5 episodes for a season
writers room with a minimum of 6 writers for a 6 episode season of television An extra writer would need to be hired for any additional 2 episodes past that (ie 8 episode season would have 7 writers, 10 episode season would have 8 writers, etc) Maximum of 12 writers per season
LOL
Mandatory boosters to even enter the room.
End white people once and for all
12% raise, one extra writer added to the minimum, free corn for life
>a 5 month strike ended because israeli executives didn't want to work on Yom Kippur
>israeli executives
Redundant. Just say executives.
Also, can't wait for the high quality content we're about to get that doesn't push a political agenda.
> Just say israelites
This shit doesn't come from the right. It comes from atheistic israelites that are willing to shit on the seal of wisdom to make their point.
>Just say executives
Lmao nice try ya smelly heeb
If it gets rejected they'll just come back to the negotiations after Christmas
The union truly won and the capitalists lost. It's an exceptional deal, with the upside to the writers. Smooth sailing for SAG in upcoming weeks
>union wins more money
Good thing they aren't capitalists.
Writers make money by selling their labor and services or through their independently owned labor so yeah, they’re not. A capitalist makes money off their ownership of capital like say, owning a movie studio.
The studios absolutely did. Bill Maher and Drew Barrymore were ready to scab before public outcry and AMPTP finally coming to the table happened.
>Bill Maher and Drew Barrymore were ready to scab before public outcry
They were just warned in private the strike was ending. Imagine believing the public outdry did anything when 95% of the people are against the unions.
Zaslav lost. Iger lost. It’s over, anon. I’m so sorry.
Oh no, israelites lost.
Oh no.
Writers aren't captializing off their own talents?
I know they can't say until the final contract is signed, but did they actually get full time writers room requirements and banning ai assisted scripts? I find that hard to believe
Could just require writers whether ai is used or not
>doesnt state what they won
>doesnt state what is in the contract
>admits the contract is subject to change
>WGA which represents the most worthless scum sucking vermin on the planet finally come to an agreement
Epic win for socialism?
marx lost
This is not socialism vs capitalism, Unions are capitalist, they happen naturally in any free market.
This is two capitalist groups negotiating.
No the wga represents straight up communism. No other union does. Frick the wga and everything they produce. They are a font of grand subversion and they should not be trusted regardless of how this plays out. They caused the last decade of bullshit. You don't really hate democrats or Republicans you just hate the shit that's been buzzing in your ear
You are just schizophrenic and overly isolated from society.
There is no subversion or anything of that sort going on.
I don't believe you and it's frustrating that you think all criticism is mental illness. I dont know that the subversion is intrntional by each individual agent of the machine but the overall intent is clear.
Yeah, it's probably not orchestrated. It's more a birds of a feather sort of thing. People that are more similar to ones with social influence gain influence while people that are more different get ostracised until they're left with an radicalized echo chamber with momentum of its own.
But those birds got the message from the internet. They were emboldened by foreign agents same as the magats.
>foreign agents
hello there CIA, i bet the constant govenrment unethical intervation and manipulation of its own population has nothing to do with it, it must bet the vodka addicted vatniks or some chink spy posting their stupid shit on the internet
I'm not the fricking Cia because i think you suck. You're literally using magat cope now. Listen to yourself.
Remember the union claimed they won the last strike and the deal was so bad it drove most of the writers out of the industry
SAG is still on strike tho
Can we go on twi-x and say that writers are double crossing the actors to promote civil infighting?
GOD DAMN I HATE BEIN SOOOOOOBER
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Did anyone feel the effects of the strike?
The studios did which is why they caved. If the strikes continued Dancing With The Stars would have likely stopped production, so your mom would be aware of the writer's strike.
I don't think it's fair to call his mom a star. She's more of a gas giant.
I didn't take any of my Film and TV course cause I though this shit would last the whole year
There was less pozzed media
I don't watch tv and I haven't pirated a Hollywood movie in months.
I literally wouldn't have noticed it even happened except for the shit posting about it here
Nothing of value had been lost. I wonder what the additional concessions were.
Me during the entire thing.
seriously, nobody gives a shit. Yes, morons on Cinemaphile ARE nobodies. That's why you are here and not outside talking to people.
I don't care
You think I actually watch televisions & films?
Reminder that you, who are now reading this comment, should NEVER pay for any entertainment that is antagonistic towards you, your race, your country and your beliefs. There's a torrent of options to watch stuff
I pay extra for anything that’s antagonistic to chuds and racists and homophobes. I bought a dozen Black Panther and Bros. and just handed them out.
>Bros
Hahah, that this nothing shit is still in your head any amount.
>TENTATIVE
TENTATIVE
>TENTATIVE
TENTATIVE
>TENTATIVE
TENTATIVE
THERE'S STILL HOPE
God I wish
You realize house cleaning gonna start after ~~*Yom Kippur*~~ now the strikes are done? Once the union members contract ends with the studios instead of rehiring them they'll look for a non union member
>tfw every writer celebrates the new year but isn't getting word on their contract renewal
I knew it was over the minute bill maher said he's waiting for the writers to reach an agreement
It's not about hollywood
politburo needs their puppets (colbert, kimmel, oliver) for the upcoming election
It's not about movies. It's about Trump. They are fricking scared.
They aren't scared of drumpf they already got the votes mailed in.
take off the tinfoil hat you colossal homosexual
>. They are fricking scared.
I don't understand why anybody is scared of Trump getting re-elected. The 2020 steal was successful, just do that again, And for a laugh, make Biden get 160million votes instead of 81.
I would love if biden gets 300 million votes, and no one does anything about it
>and no one does anything about it
that's exactly what will happen. What do you expect when Trump had the option to pardon everyone at J6 and didn't even talk about or refer to them until he started campaigning this year.
No one will do shit to support him again when the very blatant stolen election happens again.
>Trump had the option to pardon everyone at J6
you can't pardon anyone until they have been convicted and sentenced.
moron
Big brain move would be to match the amount of votes Biden gets with how many years they're going to send Trump to prison for.
>they're going to send Trump to prison for.
why even give him a trial. Just throw him into solitary and torture him for years without legal representation like all the J6 political prisoners. The only thing that will happen is all his supporters will call each other glowBlack person feds when they suggest any kind of response.
partys over , lets go home lads
Okay but what about SAG
NOOOOO
>WGA: We want a wage covers our sustainable livelihood, $11k-$14k per week isn't enough
>Studios: This is the final deal or frick off
>WGA: Fine we'll take it
lol, lmao even
What about that Anon who said that the studios were desperate to try to hide the fact that streaming is a money-loser for almost everyone?
That's what I was wondering too but hardly an impossible problem to solve, NDAs or agreements of some type. They'll figure it out, israelites are good with money and numbers.
I'm pretty sure that's what the increased viewership transparency is supposed to reveal, but who knows what deal they agreed to with that.
Who do people think the guys in charge of billion dollar companies are dumb with their money?
So what? Just makes it easier to keep hiking up subscription costs
Still don’t care, not watching any newbie modern pozzed dogshit
Finally.
Where else am I going to get my dose of black people in Star Wars and Lord of the Rings and quippy jokes?
I want to finish the 2020's with 2 dozen more "Well that just happened."'s!
You can do it, you brilliant bastards! Subvert my expectations by having the couple have a fight over a misunderstanding!
I'm happy because one piece season 2 can start production now and we can finally hear the actors talking about the project, but I wanted them to wait until late november so that the marvels and that hunger games prequel get no promotion and bomb horribly
So they can continue to butcher the source material while bringing normies into the fanbase, pure cancer
Wanpiss has already been ruined by normalgays, Netflix is just stringing its corpse up on display for people to mutilate.
The manga is still good, but with the influx or normies that could change
I'm actually happy for the writers. They write kino
cope and seethe Cinemaphile
If you hate Cinemaphile so much, why are you here 24/7?
you think propaganda just appears organically?
Thank you for helping spread ours.
You're bad at it. I'm not meming or arguing it's transparent and you hurt your overall cause.
I just don't know how someone can see this picture and say,
>"Suck it chuds, we won!"
and mean it wholeheartedly.
GAAAAAAAAAAY
I'll never understand this "we need MORE writers in the writers room". That's basically saying that you're not good enough to do your job?
Imagine being a cashier at McDonalds and asking for 2 more cashiers to help you. Why isn't anyone asking WHY they need more writers?
Their argument is that you need a lot of writers so everyone can bounce ideas off each other. "Even House needed a team." The second argument that should concern no one is give new writers a chance to gain experience as well as shadow veteran writers.
The true reason is more writers means more union members paying dues.
I get that every writer wants to get their unemployed buddy a job writing and writer's rooms need to increase in size to do that.
But has anyone ever heard the expression,
>"Too Many Cooks"
Imagine being a talented writer and be forced to take on 3 blue haired trannies solely looking to push the message.
More writers is more fricked up than restricting A.I.
The writers essentially want their job to be exactly like their college writing workshop, except with less accountability and they're getting the checks.
just in time
Imagine the deal falls through after the israelite holiday
Really makes you think
>Reach a deal
>Yom Kippur passes
>All the writers get fired
Wish it would have gone on for longer, but the damage is already done. Hollywood will never recover from the loss of production and especially from these major profit-eating deals for the writers and actors.
What if I told you it was never about profit in the first place, and that most of Hollywood is a propaganda machine that's bankrolled by people with infinite dollars to burn?
Are you the same type of moron who thinks the federal reserve can just print more money with zero consequences?
No, I'm the type that believes in loss leading industries. You loss lead with propaganda, media, but then you get to influence public opinion, which you can then cash out on by selling more vaccines or some shit.
>infinite dollars
Nothing is infinite.
Evey the federal government can run out of money.
Or, they can effectively run out of money, by printing so much they crash the dollar's value to essential worthlessness.
These people are not invincible.
>tentative
So there's a chance it'll fall through.
>ban on AI
good, they are accelerating their decline. their broken and corrupt industry cant die soon enough. hollywood cant even compete with youtube videos anymore
Ok Rajesh.
Very based. Can't wait for more superhero movies and black washed reboots
DC and Marvel are all flopping. Imagine having to pay even more money to produce this garbage that will flop even harder because of how much more they will be designed by committee.
Cool, now the studios will game these new contracts and rules so they again don't have to pay anyone anything other than the bare minimum.
Anyone thinking that hauling crates and holding a boom for a bit on set will get him a paycheck of $500 a week in perpetuity is insane.
BOOOOOOO!!!
Trump lost
/misc/ lost
Cinemaphile lost
Transphobes lost
Capitalists lost
Russia lost
Biden won
Love won
Workers won
Reddit won
Ukraine won
Stay mad forever, worthless chudcels
no one likes russia. they are objectively subhuman animals, everyone agrees on all sides
Chuds aren't going anywhere.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/zelensky-and-trudeau-lead-ovation-waffen-ss-veteran-canadas-parliament
KINO IS SAVED!
It's Over
>It's Over
It's Over
>It's Over
It's Over
>It's Over
It's Over
>It's Over
>officially reached a tentative deal
tentative just means the union hasn't voted on it
yeah, I know
Why do you guys assume all the demands were met? Studios could’ve agreed to just a couple or toned them down to acceptable levels.
We're not assuming that. If you look at the green text layouts above, you'll see there was some compromises already announced.
More details tomorrow, I'm sure.
>greentext with no source
Seems legit.
Well, if you had something better to do than mindlessly discuss television and film rumors, you wouldn't be here in the first place, now would you.
Now pick a side or shut the frick up, we're in the middle of a culture war here!
I was hoping it would end with an all out gladiatorial match in which the writers and who ever else was involved would have to kill each other and determine who comes out on top.
This is the worst timeline.
I watched the RoboDoc yesterday. You know how many writers RoboCop had?
TWO
That's it. They didn't need a writer's room. And RoboCop is the greatest film of all time.
Two does seem to be the magic number. You know, providing they're both strong writers independently. Like have one guy that understands people really well, and another with a better head for thinking through causality. Even if they hate each other, and have completely opposite visions, when they find compromises the final product is usually superior because of it. Anything more than that and it loses all its soul.
Why do the writers want more writers? It makes no sense. Are they just getting their friends jobs? Isn't that kind of like nepotism?
Writing work isn't guaranteed, you write a show for a few weeks or months, if it gets picked up for another season in a few more months you'll have work again for a few weeks or months, they're just trying to create more jobs for themselves.
It's not like you can just clock in for 8 hours a day at the writing Factory, you have to be on your hustle looking for work constantly.
How does more writers create more jobs. I don't see how your post actually addresses mine.
More writers is more jobs, if my show now needs to hire eight writers instead of six that's two more jobs.
Oh I see sorry. That seems sleazy on the wgas end tbh. You know more writers won't make them better products.
Yeah but the WGA is a union they don't care about making a good product they care about getting the best deal for their union members and making sure that there's a lot of work available is in their best interest.
But that's the issue is your telling me the union exists to grind down talent in the name of comfort and security for a group of people that the union is kind of designed to make increasingly worse at the job. You keep throwing away the best writers and averaging a new crop of shitty ones. By nature of the machine you cannot ever get more talented.This is my overall problem with communism in general.
You can have that take and I don't think it would be wrong, but I'm not going to begrudge a man trying to get the best deal for himself as an employee, that's part of capitalism too.
They aren’t creating more writers, just more openings per project
Its so obviously a racket so big writers can give their friends and sycophants jobs on the writers room.
Yes that’s what it is. If you have 100 writers and 10 ongoing projects at a given time, each hiring 6, 40 of them will be unemployed. If you set 8 as the minimum, only 20 will be jobless. It lowers the barrier of entry at the cost of the studio’s budget
>It lowers the barrier of entry at the cost of the studio’s budget
And the cost of too many cooks in the kitchen.
the production time of a tv show needs at minimum that many writers because they're spread out among the episodes.
no they don't. some shows only need one or two writers. it should be determined by the show creators.
Yeah I wrote that and deleted it. You simply can’t make art when there’s ten different visions and perspectives. And you end up with inconsistent, shallow characters, poor pacing and an overall lack of focus
The point is the big writer names still control who gets what. You bow to them or you get squat like always, but now that's even more pronounced.
have a nice day reddit agitator literally nobody here pays to watch shit its just Indians shilling why do you waste your time?
You people are fricked. All this shit is dying and the left is having their little gasp like trump is. You people have no arguments in your favor at all. You're paper tigers. You turn to dust as soon as you're challenged and start attacking because the brains you had abandoned you.
As far as I know, the real big name writers still work alone. It’s just that any moron who would be filtered in the hiring process can now land a job. Overall average skill level goes down even more
Look guys he's one of us he used a Gundam meme. Trying to appeal to nostalgia is just despicable
Sure, nepotism is part of it, but I also think that the sort of mediocre person that would ever want be a part of a union always knows they're mediocre, and is hella insecure about it. They think if it's only them with a completely mid idea against someone with a better idea they'll never be able to argue it, but if it's ten other writers with the same mid idea they can browbeat with pure numbers while feeling like they're making valuable contributions.
Yeah it has to be mediocrity and insecurity, no way somebody would just want to make sure that there's more work available in their profession, that would be crazy.
There's always work for writers that are amazing. There's just not always work for ones that are average. If the only thing they cared about was job security they could have that by being amazing. So why be a sleazy union thug instead? Because they know they'll never be recognized as amazing.
that basically every competitive specialized career, normies get BFTO for being average and not being recognized as much as real talented people, so they start to make demands to at least guarantee their jobs and some privileges they couldnt get by themselves, sadly the current world is ruled by the weak
Yeah no shit, not everyone can be amazing that's the definition of amazing you have to be exceptional it's impossible for everyone to be exceptional.
I don't see the issue with them wanting to secure work for themselves?
I wasn't arguing that's there's anything necessarily wrong with the survival technique. My observation is only that it's one that only(predomintely) mediocre people have. When it comes to the top achievers in any competitive field they don't even often want a safety net. They want to succeed or they want to die trying. The less spots there are, the harder it is to fill one, the more of a fire they get under their asses.
I've not had that observation, lots of really good writers are in the union and remain in the union after achieving great success, many of them are even critical of the Union but still remain in it because of the benefits it provides even if you're exceptional there are still benefits to being in a union.
I see that as a social capital thing. We're social animals first. Even if you clearly don't need no stinking union to be financially successful, you still probably need friends, and not supporting popular union is one of the fastest ways of going from everyone loving you to being persona non grata.
I find that hard to believe, but even then you could just argue that fellowship and friends are just another benefit of the Union.
BPD women have a justified faith in their ability to dominate a room through a wide array of psychological techniques they've mastered through naturally acting on their unnatural urges. Put a BPD woman in a room full of apolitical timid submissive nerds and the result is comparable to throwing a half-starved weasel into Calhoun's mouse utopia.
Yeah, now what about the robocop tv show?
Didn't that suck?
TV shows generally have that amount of writers normally. See Police Squad.
But robocop tv show wasn't as good as the movie and the show had more writers.
Yeah and the whole extra writers thing was meant for TV SHOWS. Not movies.
cool. i thought that ended months ago.
i can't believe writer's rooms exist
imagine doing something as intimate as writing and actually WANTING to be around a bunch of homosexuals constantly talking to you
just a bunch of morons who want to steal each others' ideas in real-time
All I can think of is coming up with a cohesive vision and then having some butthole ruin it by putting a quip in a dramatic moment, or something like that. And having to fight endlessly about shit like that. Actual nightmare fuel.
>Why he gotta be a man tho?
Then if you try to argue they report you for being “difficult” or “not a team player”. Everyone’s scared to speak up or suggest anything that isn’t very tame
Why is Cinemaphile against the strikes? It seems like Cinemaphile is very anti-union in general especially Cinemaphile
please leave.
I'm just anti-WGA. They produce a bunch of woke shit that flops left and right, and we're supposed to support them to make more money?
I don't think Cinemaphile or even the right wing is anti union. but does everyone really deserve one? Fastfood workers fricking don't. Auto workers do. Writers don't. Rail workers do. Shit I even respect the grocers.
We’re not anti-union
We’re anti-actor and anti-writer.
It's mostly because they're primarily a mechanism a that unproductive majority utilizes to exploit the labour of a more productive minority. I mean, if you're actually talented writer, a genius of your craft, then do any of these demands help ou in the slightest? No, of course you don't. You want as few other hacks in the room putting fingers in the pie while stealing credit for your better ideas as possible. Meanwhile all I want is for the makers in the world to be able to make without takers and fakers standing in the way. Strikes are anti-business, and anti-business is anti-life. If you can't make a product that others are willing to pay for at a price you're happy to sell at then that's on you for being shit. Either git gud or find a different line of work. What's fricked up is making it harder for people that aren't shit to make a good living as well.
"The artificially high wages forced on the economy by compulsory unionism imposed economic hardships on other groups—particularly on non-union workers and on unskilled labor, which was being squeezed gradually out of the market. Today’s widespread unemployment is the result of organized labor’s privileges and of allied measures, such as minimum wage laws. For years, the unions supported these measures and sundry welfare legislation, apparently in the belief that the costs would be paid by taxes imposed on the rich. The growth of inflation has shown that the major victim of government spending and of taxation is the middle class. Organized labor is part of the middle class—and the actual value of labor’s forced “social gains” is now being wiped out."
I cant wait for the communist to respond.
On the "unproductive majority exploiting the labor of a productive minority" point, imo it is really exploiting the solidarity between bourgeois WGA and the blue collar unions that the studios actually need which makes it more insidious.
We're anti-Hollywood, that is all
everyone should be against government unions. they steal from the taxpayer and aren't accountable to the taxpayer either. writers unions and actors unions are also very gay and a mockery of what a unions should be
You make a mistake by looking for logic here. Cinemaphile hates the writers and they hate the executives. So they search for a world that leads to both suffering. There’s no application of a greater philosophy here. Just (arguably deserved) hate.
Can't wait for the salt mine of WGA members b***hing that it's still not good enough
Actors Strike is still going right?
Back to work for me
Once SAG gets their due
Does that means we are getting better series now?
Nobody knows what they agreed on
Bummer. I wanted all those israelitewood degenerates on the streets.
I think they will be, I don't see studios rehiring them after their contract ends
this will improve the quality of the writing right?
Great more TRASH. Can't wait
am i supposed to be happy or outraged?
you can come to your own conclusions, anon. Maybe.
I'm outraged that Reddit gets to gloat, but I'm happy because in the end Hollywood is going to implode anyway.
OMG, WE'RE GETTING KICKED OUT OF OUR HOUSES!!!!
BOB IGER IS FORCING US OUT ONTO THE STREETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE HAVE TO SELL OUR CONDOS JUST TO PAY THE BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
seriously, FRICK the writers
Lame
Shouldn't this be stickied?
MODS!
BACK TO THE CAGIE
>YouTube recommendations going to be full of late night "comedy" again
Frick
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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so i just need to post a greentext claiming its the demands and people just believe it without any source even?
Both sides will say they "won" but in the end entertainment should be a non-profit industry at the very least (better still incorporated into necessary industries) with anyone working in the industry only able to make a modest living at most. All of the money wasted on these films/show could be and should be saving lives or training people for necessary industries.
value is subjective, and operational profit its what determine what to make, the masses always want better stuff with time, if werent for stockholder system and govern plus unions making quality worse, industry growth would equal quality
Art is subjective, yes. That is precisely why it should be non-profit.
>the masses always want better stuff with time
Maybe when it comes to tech, because people just want convenience, but the entertainment that makes the most money is not what I would call "quality."
value is subjective for everything anon, there is no such thing as objective value, humans spend money on their want and not their needs, to determine where to better allocate resources profit is needed since people are free to choose where to spend their money
>all value is subjective
>the only way to determine value is by currency
>deal ends up being actors get 5 cents more a month and writers get 20 grand a week
thanks actor bros, youll make up those lost wages in no time, just a short 15,000 years ezy
GODDAMIT I WAS HOPING HOLYLWOOD WOULD FINALLY DIE AND WE'D GET A GOLDEN AGE OF INDIE KINO (like the 70s)
I mean the shit I say you're just too weak to humble yourselves.
so streaming will become more expensive ???
yep. then the smaller ones will start to be swallowed or just disappear until we have about three streaming services. it’s going to accelerate the bleeding
Meanwhile I'm just counting the breaths before alt conservative Hollywood steps in to take centre spotlight. The long march through the institutions has already begun.
What's alt conservative.
Alt comma conservative.
Conservatives (alt or otherwise) don’t have any creativity, talent, or artistic ability.
Neither do "liberals" nowadays so who does that leave?
>Neither do "liberals" nowadays so who does that leave?
I am a centrist though. Can you honestly look at Hollywood today and say that it is not the drizzling shits? (See:
for reference)
>write & produce shit
>get paid less because people don't want to watch shit
>protest because you aren't getting 9-10 figures for the shit you're making
>studios still cave
If what we got in the months leading up to and during the strike was bad, then I think we're in for a hell of a ride in the near future. Nobody wins. Zoomers and Millennials with inflated egos and superiority complexes continue to pump Hollywood full of garbage, execs continue to not give two shits and continue to run legacy studios and IPs into the ground, and people will still turn up in droves for this slop.
>people don't want to watch shit
>people will still turn up in droves
Choose one.
the writers clearly caved in lol. the ''''news'''' will try and make it look like a win of course
What did they cave on? One of the last things they were arguing about was AI for the past 4 days.
Nice, they have secured a contract that will probably last long enough for AI writing to get good enough to make movies and shows with.
(they tried with Rings of Power, She-Hulk and Obi-Wan Kenobi but it didn't work so good)