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>Replica Studios (Replica), an artificial intelligence (AI) voice technology company, and The Screen Actors Guild - American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (SAG-AFTRA) announced today the introduction of a groundbreaking AI voice agreement during an event at CES.
>This new agreement paves the way for professional voice over artists to safely explore new employment opportunities for their digital voice replicas with industry-leading protections tailored to AI technology, allowing AAA video game studios and other companies working with Replica to access top SAG-AFTRA talent.
>The agreement between the leading AI voice company and the world's largest performers’ union will enable Replica to engage SAG-AFTRA members under a fair, ethical agreement to safely create and license a digital replica of their voice. Licensed voices can be used in video game development and other interactive media projects from pre-production to final release.
>Approved by affected members of the union’s voiceover performer community, this contract marks an important step towards the ethical use of AI voices in creative projects by game developers, and sets the basis for fair and equitable employment of voice actors as they explore the new revenue opportunities provided by AI. In addition to establishing minimum terms and conditions, the agreement ensures performer consent and negotiation for uses of their digital voice double and requires that performers have the opportunity to opt out of its continued use in new works.
>“Artificial intelligence has dominated the headlines, and for most performers, the best protection against the unauthorized digital simulation of their voice, likeness and/or performance is a SAG-AFTRA contract. We are so happy to partner with Replica Studios, because this is a great example of AI being done right,” said SAG-AFTRA President Fran Drescher.
Except it's still normalizing AI, holy shit, they've been betrayed.
>Approved by affected members
Who are the members that approved it
I want names
What are you gonna do about it? Cry on twitter about it?
Mr. Goldbergstein
>AAA video game studios and other companies working with Replica to access top SAG-AFTRA talent.
Yes, let's let billion dollar corporations cut even more corners to serve up slop at an ever-increasing price tag.
Somebody got the israelites to turn on each other over there, lmao. Wonder how much money that took.
The Grand israelite, the one with the biggest tiny hat, is too distracted in Palestine and trying to make it their fault to pay attention to the happenings over here.
Can we get an AI voice of Fran Drescher moaning in heat?
Imagine supporting them for saying they will protect their jobs and getting fricked over by this and effectively can give a company their voice for a one time payment.
GONNA NEED THE TL;DR VERSION OF ALL THIS LEGAL SLOP. YOU KNOW, A GOOD OLD FASHIONED
QUICK
RUN
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ON WHAT THIS MEANS AND WHY I SHOULD GIVE A SHIT.
>AI is good now that the guild has a list of approved, liscense-able "voice talents" that they can sell to other companies.
>WHY I SHOULD GIVE A SHIT
Soon, videogames and movies will be plagued by AI- generated voices, this is bad, you should give a shit
It's fine, they are trash already.
Miss me with that shit.
Dubgays deserve the rope.
And that's only related to voice acting. Imagine crap like pic related released in every form of media constantly. Shit's already bad enough with asset stores and streaming services.
Any pie in the sky dream of releasing your own dream project is instantly going to be drowned out by every other schmuck and scammer with the same dream of making it big. They will have access to everything and see nothing.
The funniest part is going to be 5 years from now when they lament the sad state of media, as if they didn't bring it on themselves. Literal npc morons.
Valve just OK'd ai content on Steam
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3862463747997849619
Valve is fricking dogshit
I thought it was cum
>concept art for a splash
wow
I think it's better they are adding a filter in the future, so AI games have to use an AI tag of the very important 20 tags which means they can be hidden. Also Unity basically forced their hand with integrating AI art and more into their engine, and I think they were the only ones to do so.
>SAG-AFTRA President Fran Drescher
Great. Now I have to go back and reread it all in that nasal voice
I don't get what the big deal is it sounds like they're getting paid without even having to work now
It depends on if it's a one time payment or if they get royalties. As well as what kind of royalties they get over it.
because there's always a catch with these things, the replica's prices could be either way too expensive to the point of nobody wanting to buy them, or they could be so cheap that whatever royalties the VA would get from its sales it'd be better selling scrap metal
not mentioning the contract itself can be filled with traps, in a worst case scenario there could be a clause that'd deny the VA from doing outside performances (like what if Seth Mcfarlane couldn't make a Stewie or a Peter impression in interviews or something, per example)
you can never truly trust hollywood or big wigs in general with these things
So basically, if you haven't already made it you're never gonna. Almost like I've been saying would happen. AI isn't an equalizer its a power grabber.
Yup.
It's a force multiplier.
Those who are already established with tons of experience will be fine, anyone new trying to break in will have to compete with the giants as well as ai that can copy anything previously created.
These people are so fricking stupid lmao
All that protesting to get back to square one? Eat a bag you privileged little trust fund tards
>safely explore new employment opportunities
Is this the most words possible used to avoid the word "fired"?
In order to keep this kind Cinemaphile relevant, this means cartoons can run indefinitely can't it? The Simpsons, Spongebob etc. will never die.
>all those months of protesting
>AI still won
I kneel.
>DA JOOS
Eat a dick
Struck a nerve huh?
What happened to all you animation veteran artists hating AI and blacklisting anyone who said they'd use it?
Don’t you have a tunnel to hang out in?
Tldr posts posted by op immediately don't count as a first post
What even is the point of using specific coice actors voice, if the only reason they're voice actors, is the fact that they can act?
I can't act well, but an AI surely can make me sound like I can, so why would I pay for the use of these frickers voice when the actual acting bit is just as good as what an AI of my own voice would be able to do?
Yeah, that's obvious. Pointing out all these shitbags are only in it for the money isn't some wild and profound statement.
Now members of TAG DON'T WANT to strike
There won't be a TAG strike, what these industry people on Twitter are asking is more than what the SAG-AFTRA and WAG wanted.
They went from being excited to strike last year to now hating the idea so quick. Why? What ever happened to the whole New Deal for Animation?
They realized that they will still be jobless but now walking under the hot sun of California
Why is the animation industry full of these people? Let alone, why the frick do they take themselves this seriously?
Animation has always been viewed as "lesser" compared to REAL TV shows and movies. SAG-AFTRA pretty sacrificed voice actors so the live action actors could be protected.
Good most of them can't even fricking draw
>Storyboarding is hard
>Literally just drawing scribbles of stick figures and getting 2k a week
Good the industry needs a good weeding out the weak
Thats in Japan, US board artists get paid alot less.
There will be legal limits on A.I before that happens.
>There will be legal limits on A.I before that happens.
Wrooooooooooong! Limiting AI means limiting shareholder profits. You're not being anticorporate, are you anon? All animators and managers WILL be fired, the profits WILL go UP. Only ever UP!
Wrooooooooooong! Only morons and homosexuals care about profits and shareholders, all that matters is making normies happy and keeping jobs is what makes normies happy.
You sound anticorporate. Since you provide no value to the New Society, you can go to the laboratory camps where you'll test new AI-designed drugs. Nobody cares if you die.
Mmmmm, the Number is going UP again! Dopamine!
No, you're the moron here.
Learn from John K.
France is fixing the brown issue.
The only way the entertainment industry will ever get fixed is if everyone in it wages a full blown People's War against it.
The problem is we just have _a_ entertainment instrury instead of multiple smaller ones.
Except the Animators have less than zero bargaining power, and no studio gives a frick about them. If anything they will gladly go without any new cartoons made for a year or two. They don't care.
This is the huge one. You're talking about an easily outsourced job that could frick over the entirety of a team
why are so many people on Cinemaphile obsessed with this guy?
He’s a bit of a spaz
Also he asked for a ridiculous amount of money for his indie pilot short, and the the way he dealt with the whole Tara Strong/Israel situation was very stupid
>He's a bit of a spaz
>random dude on the internet is making an animation
This merits people seething and reading through his twitter account to take screenshots of random shit he says? Sounds like he's not the spaz here. You can just choose to not pay attention to him.
Hi Charlie
A successful strike is one where the the picketing is short-lived and all of their demands are met. The last SAG strike wasn't short and they've clearly capitulated.
Which way Gavin?
LEARN
>No more theft, allow paying fees for creators they stole from
This is using ai correctly as I even saying all along
It's about theft, and this corrects things so it's not theft anymore
Anon, here is the Cinemaphile thread with the twitter posts, the amount of seethe and salt from all VA's off this is offscale, there wont be enough ointment to heal that butthurt.
The Strike backfired badly towards them, they thought they were untouchable.
Why are you laughing at this? This is bad, surely. It's going to frick VAs and frick cartoons.
It's going to frick VAs, but why would it frick cartoons ?
Because the AI voice acting is going to sound so much worse making the whole show suffer as a result.
If voice actors really believed this, they would not be worried. But as we've seen, just the past year voice AI has progressed massively, and it will of course only get better.
So no, it will not sound much worse, you won't be able to tell.
VAs know this, and know that this means their profession is obsolete.
you're going to need general intelligence for it to get better so you can give it good direction
"Better" is rarely a goal as compared to "cheaper" and "faster", so voice AI may very well plateau at cheap, fast and crappy so long as cheap and fast enough is good enough. Lots of product categories have experienced this and never improved (planned obsolescence for lots of examples).
No, you just need access to more/better training data, there are clear patterns in how people speak which also corresponds to the sentences they are speaking, this is what AI (as in machine learning) does, it is VERY good at understanding and mimicking patterns.
And if you need to adjust an AI voice reading a sentence, you can already set things like happy, sad, angry etc
To be clear, all artistic fields will be usurped by AI, and same goes for almost all other fields as well, but first you will have the low hanging fruit, art, music, voice, programming etc
your ability to give it voice direction is limited, to get truly great performances you need to be able to speak to it as if it was a real person so it knows exactly what you want. Setting moods isn't enough.
no its more like going to subway and giving the worker instructions for your sandwich and calling yourself a chef
I'm not the biggest fan of the VA community, but I have to disagree. Their main concern is that the studios want to replace them since the suits don't give a frick about art or quality or whatever that's not the bottom line
How much AI will progress is to be seen, but at its core AI essentially produces the "average" extracted from what you put into its training model.
>since the suits don't give a frick about art or quality
They do as long as it makes financial sense, when the audience shrinks, you need to lower costs
The western animation audience is shrinking, although I suppose some of that is mitigated by the rise of anime popularity, but I doubt you could call those dubs 'art'
Anon please, Nickelodeon's former president admitted the network operated like a garage sale - hoping to strike gold cheaply instead of investing in their shows so they build an audience. Disney cares about politics over money nowadays, and Warner/CN doesn't care about anything but cash since TTG became popular and more recently when Zaslav came in
If doing better quality gives more profits, they will do it. As it stands, the audience that will watch an animated feature for the voice actors is very small, as long as they're decent, it doesn't really matter.
It's very rare that we get VAs who reach cult status and actually drive audiences in any meaningful capacity, and it's even rarer these days.
Yea, VAs aren't really all that relevant in western media, it's not like it is with Jap stuff where some of the VAs there are more like pop stars or idols (sometimes literally, as some of the VAs there also have successful music careers or are otherwise accomplished singers).
No one outside of places like Cinemaphile really cares who voices a character so long as they do a decent enough job.
>I doubt you could call those dubs 'art'
Especially when they're giving a new 'progressive' spins on the translation and dubs, AI at least at this point isn't going to try to be insert its own politics to radically alter the source material.
ai isn't writing dummy, it's just going to voice the pozzed scripts, nothing changes there
Anon, the scripts aren't written by Americans, and companies aren't going to hire English-speakers to write a new script when they can just feed the existing script to an AI and have it cheaply translated.
we can only hope
AHAHAHAHA. That's just going to make it completely nonsensical gibberish. Translation programs are farther than AI is at getting intent which matters a lot for Japanese. The same thing can be said in 3 different ways and have 5 different meanings.Translation programs get things wrong all the time and have to be fixed by humans.
>he doesn't know
I've read machine translated garbage then the fixes from proper translators and then compared it to the actual native dialog. MTL is garbage and you just like eating slop.
lol, AI is currently replacing manga/anime translators, so finally we might get translations without woke rewrites.
They do believe it, but they also know that studios are going to do it anyway to save money and hope people don't notice.
Do people even care if they notice....? Marvelslop is still making millions despite using bottom of the barrel 3d by underpaid third worlders..
>Marvel slop is still making millions
It's not 2018 anymore anon. This statement is objectively false.
>they would not be worried
Why do people like you keep repeating this? Corporations have repeatedly forgone quality for the sake of quantity and speed. People don't think tweened flash animation looks better than traditional frame-by-frame animation, but plenty of companies ignore the higher standard in order to spend less money and potentially earn more of a profit.
The quality needs to be acceptable by the paying audience, that's the criteria for all things commercial.
Guess what, AI voice acting will be acceptable by the audience, this is why VAs are melting down.
>AI voice acting will be acceptable by the audience
Remains to be seen
If they don't, VAs have nothing to worry about
Dude, that's like saying "if healthy people believe being fit is better, they would not be worried about obesity." Something that is obviously bad can still gain traction.
>If this were true voice actors would not be worried
Voice actors are worried because suits shitcan shows like Venture Brothers because it doesn't make ENOUGH of a profit.
If these companies think the AI voices are "just good enough", they'll take the cheaper option all day every day.
Why does everyone suddenly have such high expectations of the corporate suits that run these multimedia companies?
>media companies have been watering down entertainment and cutting corners and inching ever closer towards just pumping out flavorless gruel for a good two decades now
>there are still people this oblivious as to how they operate
but hey as long as a collective you have a personal grievance with isn't having a good time
fricking shrek has hand-painted backgrounds you yokel
>media companies have been watering down entertainment and cutting corners and inching ever closer towards just pumping out flavorless gruel for a good two decades now
Yes, because 99% of what is produced is shit that not enough people will watch to make it remotely profitable, so they continually lower the standards.
Netflix did a in-house animation push, the showrunners created woke self-insert shit that nobody watched, and even with this mediocre quality we have today, animation still cost a lot of money.
So Netflix killed it, and that was pretty much the last big chance for western animation, and the creatives blew it, not surprising since they were chosen by checkboxes, not because of quality of work or best pitch.
>muh WOKE WOKE WOKE
Or maybe Netflix wore out its welcome with repeated changes in higher ups who shelved old projects, refused to properly advertise programs, and continually shoveled out show after show to die in obscurity just to fulfill a quota
The model of one season and that's it after probably promising directors more leaving these shows as cliffhangers really repels people but also they've lost a lot of older shows as streaming became a monster.
I think the dominance of 2D puppet animation in TV shows proves that studios will absolutely lower their standards to the floor if it saves enough money, and audiences will eat the slop.
this entire board is proof of this.
I think the utter lack of real life puppet animation in TV shows despite being on-record for being equal cost to produce as 2D animation proves that even without a concern for saving money, studios will still put out lesser products just for the sake of it.
Not the case, Animaniacs'2020 and Tiny Toons Looniversity are proof that people will NOT lower their standards, they will not eat said slop when the originals can still be done in today's market without even trying.
And lets not get started with Looney Tunes Cartoons.
As it should be. VAs basically got sold down the river by their "leaders" for 30 pieces of silver. The put themselves out of work over this only for SAG-AFTRA leadership to turn around and sell them out because they themselves stood to profit from it.
Things like this usually ended with people hanging from lamposts or comitted suicide by 2 gunshot in the back of the head.
We commie now?
>The Strike backfired
no it didnt. The strike has created unprecedented levels of discussion inter-frickin-nationally. even high-schoolers are aware of the state of the industry. the next 6 months will be desperate attempts to scare artists out of unionizing because its always been about intimidation. you gays aren't intimading so here we are. if you just treated people better this would have never been an issue. we can see you
Nah go frick yourself, for i praise our AI overlords, piece of shit who can't act for shit.
>I praise techbro billionaires who are too stupid to make anything themselves
You'll never be one of them. This is just voluntarily eating shit for absolutely no reason other than spite.
>techbro
not reading the rest of your post, it's undoubtedly not worth it
You seem to be a complete waste of space yourself.
alright
That buzzword alone gave who you are
Now learn how2Act
I'm not an actor I'm just someone who's autistic about performances in the first place. I won't watch something if the VAing sucks and the best work you can imagine is ruined by bad voicework.
Who gives a frick, are you a shitzillian on something?
yeah haha
>the enemy of my enemy is my friend or something... yeah lol i love roboshit because ummm.... i do?? okay??
Imagine wanting to replace your own species creativity because a few bad latkes on a moronic social media website soiled the pot. ITs insane. Why not perfect your craft and share it with your community instead of brainless wienersucking a robot that lacks a wiener to suck?
What was the point of the SAG strike if they were going to cave in to AI anyway? Any involvement of AI is a cave in because it's just opening the door to replacing people eventually, a slippery slope.
and how does any of the things that have happened recently make anyone money, least of all the israelites who are getting fired from voice roles so minorities can play them?
>"REAL" actors are protected againt AI
>not VA though, those are icky
Hang them
AI = good
VAs = bad
and I am not being ironic.
You = Pajeet
lol you leftard homosexual, i bet you think hollywood is in on Israel's 'fascist propaganda machine'
Can we have good things happen again? When will some good things happen?
Be the change you want to see.
This thread was posted and deleted on Cinemaphile. OP is a homosexual.
they will call you antisemitic but never a liar. have a great evening anon.
>HAVE NO FEARS, WE’VE GOT EPISODES FOR YEARS!
It basically means that voice acting as a profession is dead and there's no route for any new VAs since they can just clone the big ones or train AI models. SAG-AFTR basically completely fricked over voice actors and did this without consulting them which isn't a surprise since "real" actors have always looked down on mere voice actors. Supposedly the only way this will happen is if a VA opts in but I bet that any VA who chooses not to will suddenly find themselves effectively blackballed from union productions so it's "optional" but not really.
>since "real" actors have always looked down on mere voice actors. Supposedly the only way this will happen is if a VA opts in but I bet that any VA who chooses not to will suddenly find themselves effectively blackballed from union productions so it's "optional" but not really.
real actors will gladly give up their voice for AI voicework
>denying all AI voices and pretend the tech doesn't exist until it's far too late to coexist with it
or
>try to make some kind of deal and control the situation as best you can as soon as you can
This was the right move
How do you coexist with something designed to replace you?
>How do you coexist with something designed to replace you?
Pretty much just make as much money as you can during the transition phase before you become 100% obsolete. You're not going to stop it anymore than horse buggy companies could stop the car or elevator operators or switchboard operators could stop being replaced by automation.
Since when did art become a service? It's that same mentality being pushed to get people to eat bugs and lab grown garbage.
>Since when did art become a service?
It doesn't matter if it's art or not, technological advancement affects the arts as much as any other field, it affects pretty much every aspect of life that people will need to learn to cope with.
Painters became worthless the second the camera was invented. Now painters are the absolute moth pathetic of the useless liberal arts gays who take up space and waste working people's air.
Nothing of value was ever lost when they die either
you think cameras are new or something? picasso was born when cameras were around for nearly a century.
Well aren't you a clever and talented little boy. I bet mommy says your sooooooo smart.
Technology does but the way it is used depends on the system and people in power. Shit technological advancement is driven by the interests of these people and systems. The reason this AI slop is an issue is because of the way art now is treated as a product to be pumped out on mass like dog food or plastic straws, it's the only reason there is even an motivation to produce AI that functions in these ways. It's not that this technology improves anything it just gives you an opportunity to make more money, it serves no other function and progresses nothing.
NOW?? Are you high? Where have you been for the past like 50 years? Cartoons especially were never high art and once TV got big was just a way to sell shit to kids. I am not a huge fan of sucking the creativity out of animation but please wake up to reality.
I don't know what your counter argument here even is. "It was bad already so who cares if it gets even worse?" This technology is going to be used in a lot more than cartoons anyway so it's not like that's the only thing people are complaining about.
I am not countering anything. Just you acting like this was the final straw and now art is dead is laughable. It is peeing in a sea of piss.
If I wanted to counter I would point out all industries are going to replace their work force at some point. That is just the path we are on. You can make small indie stuff or you can just cry about not getting work for big companies.
It is obviously worse because it is literally removing the artist from the equation entirely, something even the most soulless toy driven cartoons couldn't do previously. And your point is moronic because it again equates art to any other industry when there are obvious differences between making art and making things like tin cans, and even then replacing any workforce with automation is not always good. You also treat this as some inevitable path we are trapped on rather than the foolish actions of people in control that have no positive outcome other than making them more money. Even in Indie the volume of slop these companies produce make it harder to survive and compete, you can not escape the knock on effects of these companies.
And yet for thousands of years art keeps getting made by people not getting paid a living wage. This is why people bring up cameras and painters in this argument. I will always be able to go to an exhibition to see someone's hard work in painting. Animation will be the same.
As much as you would like TV shows to still be good, it has always been about low risk high reward. This is the logical conclusion to it. You can support the indie stuff that floats to the top of the slop or you can just be mad. Either way sadly nothing will be done to stop this. Only slow it down.
Yeah there will always be people making things but it will be harder to fine and increasingly overshadowed by mass media as it already is. Look at the last few years in film and see how the MCU and streaming has had a clear negative effective on the industry as a whole. Good films at all levels still get made sometimes, but it doesn't mean the whole thing isn't shittier. This is my point here that you pretend to not understand, you can not escape the fact that the majority of culture in the west is driven by these hack corporations and they are getting worse and worse every year and even if there is an existing independent scene that doesn't mean the environment that it exists within isn't getting worse and that it won't also be negatively effected by the flood of filth and garbage they produce, not even getting into how AI driven independent slop will affect that field. And it will. Independent does not mean the same as quality and integrity.
I get your point, I just cannot be bothered to care. You are preaching doom and gloom of art and I am telling you all you can do is support shit that isn't trash. Then you cry about how hard that is to do.
There is no doom and gloom this is just a clear fact that the standard and quality of art on average will decrease, as it already has for the last decade or so already, and supporting independent quality art individually will have no impact on these trends.
Correct. Now what? Do you feel good being a doomer about it? You be upset about it all you want but it also does nothing. You can find something new to like or just leave then.
>There is no doom and gloom this is just a clear fact that the standard and quality of art on average will decrease
Maybe for a bit but AIs are going to continue to develop and will also get better and better.
It's like looking at early 90s CGI and saying "Well, this CGI garbage is going to look like this forever."
Most CGI is still garbage and still noticeable.
Sure thing dude.
How many movies look like Avatar compared to how many of them look like MCU.
it got WORSE in many cases which is fricking wild. The CG in LoTR trilogy is still tops compared to modern CGI dreck, idk what happened.
MTL is uniquely bad with Japanese in specific because of all the nuance and wordplay you can do with kanji, as well as the language's propensity to leave subject's unnamed. I can trudge through JP MTL sloppa only because I know enough Japanese to catch it's mistakes.
CGI now just fulfills a similar role to AI, a cheaper and easier alternative to doing something good.
Techbros and grifters despise the creative arts because they see everything as a commodity. AI allows them to commodify art to an unheard of degree so for them it's great because it completely eliminates the artist, actor, or musician so there's nobody standing between them and making lots of money at virtually no cost.
A smaller subset are the political hacks who see AI as "owning the libs" or whatever.
nta
I believe some element of this probably also stems from the fact that coding is incredibly sharing based, it’s not a stretch to imagine that programmers might be taken aback of even somewhat disgusted by artist’s unhinged “mine mine mine ONLY MINE CREDIT ME!!!” attitudes
Maybe a small amount, similar to the people who don't understand why artists get upset when their work is shared without crediting them since in their mind it's on the internet so it's fair game. But techbros are basically all of the autism of tech stuff combined with the sociopathy of a business/finance major which is the main driving force behind AI.
They are overall, socially deficient yes, to say that autism is more common among them is not an exaggeration. Describing them as 'bugmen' is mean but uh it isn't totally inaccurate, I never got why that pejorative was levied towards average Chinese people when the people who populate the tech scene are much more conformist (to their own kind) and exhibit very strange theory of mind in regards to other people. It makes dating a real chore if you live in certain places, I won't date them anymore.
>Since when did art become a service?
around 2014
>Since when did art become a service?
since capitalism
See here is the problem.
Techbros and the other types who just fricking love to hear new innovation is invented because they can pretend we are steps closer to living in Cowboy Bebop cool future cheer on every new thing that ends a job title.
But
We still live in a capitalist society where you must do 40+ hours of something every week to pay bills or else you starve homeless. You you have to do something, you have to work somewhere no matter what, you need a job. But Tech bros are not ending shitty menial jobs like coal mining or Walmart employee, they keep ending the few things that actually take people out of those fricking nightmares and allow a decent middle class life. Waffle house will always be hiring for minimum wage, 4am frycook that gets routinely stabbed by meth addicts. The fun and nicer jobs keep getting ruined and we HAVE to pay fricking rent in this country. In a few short years art as a means of making money will be dead, including animation, modeling, rigging, and even the acting.
So....Waffle House
Indeed, we still live in a society.
Bro, just learn [TRADE SKILL THAT AI WILL BE ABLE TO REPLICATE TO A SERVICEABLE DEGREE WITHIN 5 YEARS] and you'll be safe.
That's the amazing irony of it all.
60 years ago people were convinced robots would end all the back breaking labor jobs that ruined people and left them injured or near crippled for little pay in shit conditions, so their kids would all have comfy office jobs and live in air conditioning. But the tech bros are only making AI to end all the comfy office jobs and force people into back breaking low wage labor shit because no one is going to spend $$$$ on developing or purchasing automated anything when minimum wagies are cheap enough.
Plus almost any other profession has been sent overseas or taken over by illegals who employers can pay for even less than minimum wage. In short we might as well let the birth rate drop to zero since there is not going to be anything left but picking fruit if you know enough Spanish in 30 years.
A conveyor belt with a reject sensor is still going to be cheaper than an actual guy after like a year of making up the fix cost.
All jobs are fricked now. Kids are going to go to school purely to learn how to exploit nepotism, the only way to actually secure employment.
>force people into back breaking low wage labor
LMAO
none of you white bois will even get those, we have imported millions of illegals for a reason, you dumb schmucks
> That's the amazing irony of it all.
60 years ago people were convinced robots would end all the back breaking labor jobs that ruined people and left them injured or near crippled for little pay in shit conditions, so their kids would all have comfy office jobs and live in air conditioning. But the tech bros are only making AI to end all the comfy office jobs and force people into back breaking low wage labor shit because no one is going to spend $$$$ on developing or purchasing automated anything when minimum wagies are cheap enough.
Plus almost any other profession has been sent overseas or taken over by illegals who employers can pay for even less than minimum wage. In short we might as well let the birth rate drop to zero since there is not going to be anything left but picking fruit if you know enough Spanish in 30 years.
>newbie can't greentext
Who the hell cares?
>robots would take the hard-working jobs from people but my coding and art jobs will be untouched!
Good riddance.
Spiteful little man.
Why do you want people to ruin their bodies for meager pay?
Artists have been selling their skills since before currency was even invented.
It's called a trade for a reason.
>Since when did art become a service?
Since when artists wanted to be paid for their 'art'
It's very simple
I wonder how often they fricked up and connected people to some random guy in Ohio
Don't be silly, anon. Ohio is not real.
You don't. As said, this was basically sacrificing voice actors to protect live action actors because live action actors view voice acting as a joke.
>fricking over voice actors to save your hide
>implying this isn’t just testing the waters
Live-action actors will be just as affected by AI as everyone else in da industry
>As said, this was basically sacrificing voice actors to protect live action actors because live action actors view voice acting as a joke.
All it did was buy live action actors time.
Ask painters when cameras were invented
Ask Laborers when automation became a thing
you branch out and innovate to survive, become more specialized and skilled
you gladly step down and thank everyone for the opportunity. Accept what little money they can give you, and look up for a real job.
What's a real job? Because everything is automated except for plumbing. Anything behind a computer is a literal fake job corporations have available to make the government not collapse.
>What's a real job?
how about actually acting? all these hacks are fricking morons that deserve to be fricked over, parasites chosen through nepotism and looks.
Actual artists will survive, cope.
>how about actually acting?
You have to be a decent actor to be a good voice actor or voice over artist. You have to be able to portray everything with your voice alone since unlike a stage or film/TV actor you don't have a visual component to your acting to fall back on or help you out. This is why so many "real" actors completely shit the bed and give bad, wooden performances when they're brought in to voice act. Anime dub VAs, especially modern ones, are shit yeah but that's because anime dubbing pays peanuts and most modern dub VAs are just fans plucked from Youtube for cheap compared to, say, a lot of the old ADV crew came from the local Houston theater scene so they had "real" acting experience.
You don't. You just postpone it as long as you can.
You don't 🙂
>Since when did art become a service?
Art is a trade
Smiths were one kind of artist that became obsolete outside of extremely-rare-they-might-as-well-not-exist situations such as putting horseshoes on the horses of the extremely rich
The Sistine Chapel wasn't charity work
Or did you mean something other than being paid to make something for someone else?
>you branch out and innovate to survive, become more specialized and skilled
Hahaha
Oh you're seriously?
Let me laugh even harder
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You don't, you get pushed into other sectors, down a class if poor, across to another my-daddy-got-me-this-job if rich
You can't make money by just "becoming special and skillful" - the job has to exist first, this is removing the job, well, it's creating a few more programmer jobs and middle manager jobs, which aren't art jobs
>that can help small studios from being gatekept
So you're saying animation studios will now be smaller and weaker and homogenised and fighting each other just that bit harder, whilst still waiting for handouts from the big monopoly platforms?
When you put it like that, it sounds amazing!
>You don't, you get pushed into other sectors, down a class if poor, across to another my-daddy-got-me-this-job if rich
>You can't make money by just "becoming special and skillful" - the job has to exist first, this is removing the job, well, it's creating a few more programmer jobs and middle manager jobs, which aren't art jobs
As much as some people hate hearing this, that is how the world works and they probably can't really stop it. How many jobs were lost when everyone abandoned hand-painted cel animation in favor of digital ink? How many jobs were lost when audio-mixing software became commercially available? Your 2017 laptop can do what an entire mixing studio did in the 90s
That said, I don't really believe AI can fully replace human VAs/destroy the industry for a variety of reasons. There are still painters around in 2023, and as another anon said the invention of Flash and Maya didn't kill hand-drawn animation (studios killed 2D movies, not the tech itself). The music industry chimped out when peer-to-peer file sharing became popular decades ago because supposedly it would finish off the industry, and here were are 30 years later
There is certainly a degree of alarmism and fearmongering mixed in with genuine concerns of the spread of AI. We are going to experience a big change in the industry landscape, and a lot of people will sadly have to reconsider their career choices, but in the end it a lot of these things come down to being very rough transitions rather than dead-end crashes. It’s one status quo shifting into another, it will be a time where we have to learn to adapt somehow as best as we can, not brace ourselves and kiss our asses goodbye.
Some status quos are worse than others and there is plenty to suggest this one will particularly terrible.
This, we've already been in a pretty bad status quo and this is going to be worse.
But how much do you replace in the name of progress to the point it makes us completely inhuman? Should we start only eating lab-grown food in the name of convenience? Only allow for test tube baby births? Where do we draw the line? What's the point of art when you remove the human element entirely? It's literally just slop to trigger dopamine receptors at that point.
That's evil
Unionists get fricked yet again by the same system they said would save them, and have already started coping with
>Well at least it's not out of our control
Already.
The Union completely fricked every actor in the ass, and they continue to bleat on about how great unions are.
Can someone splice this in with the humping robot from Robot Chicken?
troonylators are next.
Great, now Simpsons will never end.
Can't wait to see what's in store for Season 48! Homer flashback tale of growing up in the mid 2020s!
>Marge really did become a robot
>AI still sounds like ass because Marge's voice has been bad longer than it's been good
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE AI AND DEEPFAKS FOR ACTOR LIKENESS OR SCRIPTWRITING
>VOICE Actors??? Pffft who cares
Listen to the samples from Replica
https://www.replicastudios.com/voice-library
Let it all burn.
Kek the only one that doesn't sound cringe is Evan who I assume is supposed to be a robot. Nevertheless this will be yuge with mobile gacha.
Great..
Now fricking everything will have Dan Casteleneta, John Benjamin, Cree Summer, and Tara Strong forever and ever and ever and ever.....
>He was going to watch anything new
That was you first mistake.
It also means the 80s will NEVER end
Get ready for endless Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, and Indiana Jones sequels, with Kenny Loggins theme songs for the next 50 years.
It ends when there is no one left that is nostalgic for it
Who cares about them, people wants Japanese Seiyuu speaking english
Finally a Ami Koshimisu dub
I HATE IT
No, illustrations were more common than photography for advertising up through the 1960s
> Now fricking everything will have Dan Casteleneta, John Benjamin, Cree Summer, and Tara Strong forever and ever and ever and ever.....
And Tom Kenny, and Tess MacNelly …
Who's the cutie on the right and what show is this from?
This is moronic. AI voices sound like shit and sound inhuman 90% of the time. They can't emote yet. I don't seriously think you can program an entire character and have it fully replace an actual actor.
>it's not perfect right now and it will never get better!
LOL
have a nice day.
it's going to take general intelligence before you can give them voice direction, I've used these things before and your ability to direct how they emote is very limited
Any examples of what kind of emotions are difficult or impossible to gen? I'm just curious
if you want a character to say a specific word with particular emphasis you pretty much cant:
"Can you say that in a cutesy way?"
"Can you say that specific word in a sarcastic way?"
"Can you say that with a rising inflection that ends with some vocal fry?"
"Can you say that like you're getting interrupted and you're trying to interject?"
"Can you say that like you're suppressing a laugh?"
"Can you say that with an accent?"
"Can I get three takes all said a bit differently?"
The only way you can is if you go in and manually direct the pitch, length and volume which is super time consuming. I'm talking spending over hours to alter something that lasts a couple of seconds maybe. I was working on it for a mod and it works best for characters who are kind of monotone to begin with and most of the mod authors would agree it was easier to rewrite your script to work around it's limitations.
just deepfake it and have it clone YOUR voice
you just need to have one guy to act for evey AI voice
That doesn't work at all. It has no idea how to switch inflictions, or detail complex emotion. It's glorified text-to-speech.
sounds like sour grapes
you can't stop progess
This isn't progress it's a technology designed to be inferior but cheaper and faster so as to fire actual people.
is it really a bad thing?
just work a normal job instead of a weird niche where you're easily replaced
It's a bad thing in art and media yeah, because speed and quantity are not the things we should be shooting for in these fields, that's not were the value in this field comes from. It should be obvious why applying the same logic as a meat canning company to any form of arts, even lowly voice acting, is moronic. Not even getting into what constitutes a normal job in a world where most factories are increasingly automated or outsourced and stores and restaurants want to implement AI and self service instead of staff.
>is it really a bad thing?
Only if you like cartoons.
Everyone is easily replaced.
That's what's most profitable.
And the country exists for corporations.
Your "real job" will be automated too and what then?
it won't, robotics is still difficult, let alone in uncontrolled situations outside a factory
>just work a normal job instead of a weird niche where you're easily replaced
1) Voice acting is work. Why do people try to pretend it's not a real job. It's not easy to do which is made obvious by the vast number of people who fricking suck at it. Just go on Newgrounds and hear all the shitty voice actors you want.
2) AI is coming for all industries. The fact that it's replacing people at all should be alarming. Duo Lingo just fired all their translators and are switching to AI. Tech support is now (annoyingly) mostly chat gpt bots. Software engineers are on the chopping block. It's not just artists. Pretty soon we'll all be pissing in bottles at the amazon warehouse.
People are operating as if "at least it's not me" but that's incredibly short sighted. Billionaires are building underground mansion bunkers...perhaps they know what's coming is going to piss off A LOT of people.
It's not sour grapes. I don't VA. I just like listening to media and its garbage to hear AI voices. Past some stupid shit that's meant to be a joke.
Are you using free stuff?
that requires one to be a good actor to begin with which obviates the utility of the tech
how is it sour grapes, its a good criticism
I've used different things and the free stuff is actually better in terms of manually editing but it's still super time consuming. The mod team started off with so much more enthusiasm but people kept dropping out as the limitations of the tech and the amount of drudgery entailed became obvious.
>the free stuff is actually better in terms of manually editing
So which did you use?
>and most of the mod authors would agree it was easier to rewrite your script to work around it's limitations
That's the scary part. The slop is going to become even sloppier because AI isn't going to be able to effectively replicate actual nuances in a performance without lots of work to the point where things will just be dumbed down even more to accomodate AI.
Yeah, its definitely an issue. I really can't find any fault with what you said and it is something everyone I talked to in that mod scene agreed with. The more energy and nuance you wanted in your script the worse the outcome and the more you felt like you had to rewrite things or the more time you needed to spend manually wrangling a second's worth of dialog. I know a second doesn't sound like a lot but once you're in the nitty gritty of altering the pitch and length and whatnot you realize just how much change happens and how much information is conveyed in even a half second's worth of speech.
It's not so high falutin' or cutting edge anymore but xvasynth gives you more control than something like elevenlabs. The downside is that xvasynth sounds 'tinny' while elevenlabs has higher quality audio but the quality of the acting is night and day because xvasynth gives you more control and the mod authors I became acquainted with were all perfectionists that would spend hours editing their lines. I think elevenlabs works better if you want better audio quality and otherwise don't care. The other stuff was better for the people who felt passionate about the stories they wanted to tell but I don't think that's the future of AI voicework, the future is whatever is fastest (which usually means less passion).
This. Despite all the continuous investment into processing and training data, the techgays and corpo shills keep propping up "AI" media even though they suck at variation and specific intentions.
it doesn't have to be better, just cheaper
May as well use GoAnimate if that's your mentality
they already meet acceptable threshold (okay to bad, but not enough to affect views) and will get better and cheaper, payroll will never go lower
just the facts
>acceptable threshold
Lmao, they absolutely do not.
probably
but execs don't seem to mind
Remains to be seen until we get an actual product with AI voice actors. I don't underestimate the moronation of execs but if they see red line go down, they may backtrack.
its a race to the bottom with quality declining because these programs are so limited
Interesting. I was expecting tons of mods of my favorite old games but I see work is still work.
see
I bet tons of people thought they'd be able to mod old games easily only to find out how difficult it is. And old games are often built with now outdated software so you have to hunt down old software, outdated drivers and so on.
Oh and you have to manually lip sync. There have been workarounds to automate this that have been discovered but it only works for certain games and doesn't apply to others, lots of reverse engineering is involved.
The tech is advancing so rapidly I have no confidence this will remain true for even the next year.
N-no! You see this tech as presented is DEADLOCKED. It cannot possibly advance or improve further! There's no way, ever, that this tech could easily improve over small periods of time and easily outclass human capability! Simply not possible. AI is dead and nobody uses it. Could never happen! I am right and reality does as I say.
Only non-moronic anon in this thread
It literally will never get better than what exists. We're in for garbage slop for the next several decades.
See, the issue is, the VAs that companies are willing to use also sound like dogshit, to the point where they genuinely sound worse than AI.
?t=21
The standards are already low enough that this won't matter and most people will gladly accept AIslop.
I think she sounds good but she's directed like she's on a live set, the overall voice direction for the new VA is geared towards verisimilitude/realism while the original was directed in a more bombastic and campy way but the Resi games are so fricking stupid that realism just doesn't work for them.
As the anon who mentioned working with AI voice models I'm fricking ruined because I hear instances in the synthetic voice where I think they really needed to do another take because it just doesn't flow well. DO NOT play around with voice synth models, I beg you, because once you do you will be able to start noticing all sorts of little 'tells' that make it sound worse to you. I also recommend against learning video editing for the same reason, you'll never enjoy a film in peace again.
They should have just hired the old VAs, they're still in the biz.
>I think she sounds good
Stopped reading there.
Again, fricking horrible standards across the board.
She doesn't sound as good as the original VA but with the synth you can hear the seams where different lines got stitched together and the lines do not sound like they naturally flow together.
It's much more obvious if you've ever used synth models yourself.
Anon, her delivery is fricking terrible, she sounds like she recorded most of her lines in her bedroom with zero context as to what the frick was going on in half the scenes.
Every time you defend dogshit performances and voice direction like this you just ensure that people will accept AIslop more and more.
As divorced from the Resident Evil franchise the delivery itself is fine but she wasn't well directed (its not her job to know the context because she has no way of knowing, it's up to the voice director to provide that context for her and they didn't do that). It's the sort of acting that works better in other contexts but doesn't work for Resi where everyone should be turning up the cheese factor.
>the delivery itself is fine but she wasn't well directed
That's a contradiction.
Y'know, with morons like you, I'm glad AIslop is taking over, if you're going to defend shitty performances anyways then it doesn't really make a difference.
Delivery is one thing, direction is another, they are separate things.
I wanted the old VA's back (especially Leon's). The AI unfortunately doesn't sound good because it likewise, has no capacity to understand context which is why it's lines all sound disconnected from one another.
Go play with a VA synth model and then go listen to that video, you'll be able to pinpoint the seams too.
So we are in the MGS 2 timeline...I NEED SCISSORS 61!!!
Whenever you think things have reached the bottom it's good to be reminded it can always get worse. Genuinely excited to see what kind of awful slop gets made with AI in the coming years.
Why did ai thing become a left/right issue???
Oh yeah, dumb burgers made everything about their California politics, nice going dipshits.
American politics are the perfect tool for grifters and corporations to abuse.
Absolutely just look at all the culture grifters and their “content” on YouTube. Literally junk food for the brain, but I’ll say this, it seems like a good racket
Yet the reason people know quarterpound is for pissing in his basement while his wife out eating pizza.
Look at Tim Misc. He's got a skate park in his compound. The outrage/culture war grift is profitable.
well, what is the best /misc/ youtube channel.
INB4. 200 sub homosexual schizo.
>well, what is the best /misc/ youtube channel.
Daily Wire
what you take me for, a moron?
>best /misc/ youtube channel
That's an oxymoron
Unironically Mumkey
and you prefer Steven Cobert or Jimmy kimmel right? lol
I predict the rise of AI will simply leave people hungry for a real human element, such that indie and small scale studios will be praised and considered avant garde for the use of real human talent.
You will live to see "Netflix Anime" advertise the fact that it has real human voice acting, all while their cheap CG pre-school cartoons are churned out with nary any human involvement.
Probably, seems like indie in general is getting more popular
Kind of like there is a market for hand crafted versions of now mass produced products.
>I predict the rise of AI will simply leave people hungry for a real human element,
Maybe the discerning minority.
Not the oblivious asses who are actually paying for product and clicking ads.
I am anti-AI as frick.
But I also seriously fear for our future because the only way to stop this is for everyone to put their foot down at once.
And I genuinely do not think we are capable of doing that as a people.
This is just another tool that can help small studios from being gatekept out of making things by not having millions to start. Just like Maya and Flash were. It sucks that it will be harder to make money from being a voice actor but it is also hard to make money being an animator. Maybe people can start making smaller project in smaller studios and treat each other well and let big companies burn down.
I feel like the internet has already removed so many barriers of entry that at this point the biggest problem with being an indie is finding a way to stand out in the sea of dreck.
That is the future of all entertainment with streaming and internet videos being the primary way people spend free time. Making a 20 minute pilot is on the same level as someone starting up OBS and playing old games on twitch for the first time. Marketing and analytics is the next big job in entertainment.
Not really though
The old-order barriers of entry are gone, and with all the new tools available, most people create low-effort unoriginal trash (see Flash cartoons made when the tech was new). The truly original stand out more today than 30 years ago, I'd say
lol just look at how much anime has degraded with the move to digital, shit's sad
I miss the coloring and shading 90s anime had. It was special.
>not having millions
You don't need "millions" to hire VAs, you can find thousands of VAs on Fiverr willing to work for a ham sandwich. Even if they aren't the best quality, you aren't getting that with AI either, so it's a dead point.
Yeah and soon you wont even need the Fiverr money. Once a free AI voice tool is out I can just make shit in my free time. I am seizing the means of production.
I'm sure you will buddy.
Yeah, I think back to 00's Newgrounds when lots of animators were able to get decent VAs for next to nothing, and this whining about how it's so hard to find VAs makes no sense to me.
> You don't need "millions" to hire VAs, you can find thousands of VAs on Fiverr willing to work for a ham sandwich.
Your average dubbed anime is proof positive of that
Lack of voice acting was rarely something that held back small studios.
And now it wont hold back even smaller studios or single person projects.
It never did in the first place because several voice actors are willing to do it for free just to get their names out there.
>But dealing with humans is stressful and drama bla bla
I didn't ask for your sad life story.
Why are animators not given the same level of sympathy you want to give VAs. I am not giving you any sad life story, VAs are just not entitled to my labor.
because all animation is outsourced to Asian slaves who can't network on twitter and brown-nose each other
What, you think VAs should be paying you money just to be on your project?
Nope but they also are not entitled to be on it if I don't want to pay them. They will probably get royalties from VA software anyway. If you don't like the AI cartoons, don't watch them. It is that easy.
Then talk to the voice actors who will work for free if you don't want to pay them. What exactly is the problem here?
Or instead of looking around for voice actors to work for free, I type the lines into a program and move on. If they want to work in VAs maybe they should just learn to animate the characters themselves.
>But ITS SO HARD to talk to people!!
Here we go with the fricking excuses. Just admit that you're an AIgay who wants talents to fail because you're a petty frick.
Besides, AI voices sound like absolute shit.
Never said it was hard. I don't have to do things the way they have always been done. You can b***h and moan all you want but I do not have to give people my money to create things I want. Someone else can hire them.
So you're just lazy and would rather have terrible sounding AI voices because you're too much of a chicken shit to listen to demos and reach out to someone?
Sorry dawg I am not paying you to be in my cartoon.
If you ignore ethics it's still a bad decision because your voices are going to sound like garbage and not be worth anyone's time.
If the voices sound like garbage it doesn't matter because people will defend them anyways.
Just look at this thread.
You sure to drive a hard bargain that no one can resist!
Tell that to all the kids that watch Skibidi Toilet. Ethics doesn't really fit in here. This is like getting mad at me for making my own food and not paying someone to cook for me.
That analogy doesn't make sense, because you still have to buy ingredients that someone else produced to make your food.
I disagree but here you go. You are getting mad at me for not buying steak sauce to put on my steak when I am perfectly happy with just salt.
And the steak tastes worse without the sauce.
And you don't have to eat my food I made mostly for me.
So you're perfectly happy making garbage that nobody wants to watch?
Stop giving him (You)s
Your opinion doesn't really matter to me. I like what I will make and there will be others that like what I make. It is foolish to try please everyone and especially people here.
Heaven forbid anyone give you any push back in the millionth "AI is destroying everything!" thread.
Not him, but for me, what I am excited about voice ai is having me voice everyone, my acting and nuance to be converted to the various characters of different range and sex, etc.
But I doubt most animators would want to do this.
> Or instead of looking around for voice actors to work for free, I type the lines into a program and move on. If they want to work in VAs maybe they should just learn to animate the characters themselves
The skill is dependent on the person. That 18 year old could have been practicing for much longer. There are people who lose their hands have to paint with their mouths. This isn't just about talent but about how much you are willing to work at it. Also, practicing all day and night is a great way to learn badly.
It's a cope. He didn't become a master overnight and now he's a sore ass.
I also think his studying method was wrong. Yes, for something you are driven to do, it'd be nice to do it 24/7 but your mind and body can't keep it up for that long. You are essentially making things worse once you get past a few hours at a time.
I think "talent" exists to an extent, and talent is just the drive to want to learn art, which not everybody has.
Talent is just innate aptitude properly developed.
Best way to develop it is usually a (sugar)dad paying your rent through out your 20's.
I don't believe the latter part because the average LA artist is living off their parents money and most of them can't draw for shit
drawing better isn't required to succeed in modern art
It is actually, anons don’t want to admit this, but the average artist working on your average beanmouth cartoon is better than your average anon, or your a average Twitter cartoon critic.
Yes, Koreans tend to draw better than lazy mutts.
Its because LA is so expensive that good people who don't have Daddy's Money can't afford to develop their skills with oodles of free time. It used to not be so expensive. I live there and I've seen what I'm telling you play out a lot, a skilled person who doesn't have that financial cushion ends up having to get an unrelated job and they drop out of the industry while those with wealthy parents can spend their time on unpaid internships and shit. The scene is full of it. Even Raye (from High Guardian Spice) got doxxed on lolcow, their parents were wealthy. Nice enough person but the background is typical.
>Admitting to going on Lolcow
You fricking homosexual
This person comes off as a stereotypical entitled whiner.
>I attended a school for X yet other people are better than me! Wah!
Also, we don't know how much he really practiced or what he practiced. It could be case similar to when a person who plays video game online against real players is better than a person who plays that same game longer but only against CPU players.
This. I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of those people who just drew the same shit over and over again instead of practicing/experimenting with different elements like perspective, anatomy, and lighting. However, the user is also an NFTgay, so he could also just be lying and trying to project his insecurities through untrue scenarios.
Why do this Pic Reeks of Kyle Busch's alt accounts?
Same level of autistic sperg
>If there could be anyone dumber than WGA it would be SAG
-Trey Parker, 2007
Why do millennials hate AI?
It's hard for people to transition out of cushy office work.
They thought creative work was future proof.
Because they all went into professions that are "creative" because they thought their parents were stupid for getting trade and manufacturing jobs because they can be replaced. Now that they see with enough time and money everyone will be out of a job the smugness they had toward people about their life choice has come back to bite them.
Hey, at least I'm inheriting my parent's house that's worth $1 million once they die...
I wish I had more to look forward to.
I don't understand how you people can be so nihilistic
As a society we already have mass inceldom, no real unifying religion or culture anymore, unaffordable housing, little to no real wage growth, and a biosphere that's basically dying off except for invasive species and farm stock. Do you actually want a world where humans have no agency in the creative process and just passively consume shit made by machines?
Cry about it some more homosexual.
Sorry I'm not a 13 yo from /b/ in 2007, I don't think being snide about ruining people's lives is admirable or impressive. Like whatever form of subsistence you have is safe in the long run?
Just get some other job? It's literally that easy.
You say that but manual labor and trade work is probably the only thing that is gonna be safe because both building and maintaining robots to do the work on that scale is way more than just hiring a guy.
For a plumberbot, you'd literally have to give it an AI where it has to make the judgements of the plumbing lines before it, it then must be mobile enough to move around in ways where it can manipulate said pipes at it's own algorithmic description and that's also considering it still needs a means of transport to and from location.
>plumberbot
plumbers would be so difficult to replace idk how anyone thought those guys were at risk.
ACCELERATE
At some point the contrarianism in this place got twisted around to people pretending to be pearl clutching boomers
>Do you actually want a world where humans have no agency in the creative process and just passively consume shit made by machines
You can't make this argument without acknowledging the upside - when goods are more efficiently produced, they become cheaper and widely accessible to more people. For example, automation in farming has decimated independent family farms, but reduced hunger overall.
This is a step towards the utopian, post-scarcity society of Star Trek that socialists dream about, but could never deliver.
>You can't make this argument without acknowledging the upside - when goods are more efficiently produced, they become cheaper and widely accessible to more people
Not if you don't have the income to buy anything because all jobs are automated
>This is a step towards the utopian, post-scarcity society of Star Trek that socialists dream about, but could never deliver.
... why would the elites care when they can just price you out of existence?
Why would that be the case?
New art isn't just about being "better" than previous art, it's about new perspectives
>New art isn't just about being "better" than previous art, it's about new perspectives
Oh we're all very well aware of how any striving for quality in the arts has been sacrificed on the alter of "new perspectives."
I don't see AI artists striving for quality. What are you even watching and reading? If you like literally nothing why even browse this board lmao
It's altar not alter. moron.
AI seems to be mostly used for pseudo 3D anime porn, it has far less variety
>... why would the elites care when they can just price you out of existence?
people do not seem to understand that the endgame of all of this is the 1% murdering the 99% so they can finally have their sociopath paradise free of peasants. they are DROOLING eager to see us all killed off and replaced with endless obedient machines. and nobody will mount an effective resistance, because they've all been good little blues and reds who only think of the next Great Culture War, and not how corporations are setting up death camps for anyone under 7-figures in the bank.
>Not if you don't have the income to buy anything because all jobs are automated
You seem confused about what a post-scarcity society is. Post scarcity is also post money.
>... why would the elites care when they can just price you out of existence?
They'd have no reason to care, unless people like you are willing to fight. By which I don't mean fight in the activist sense. I mean fight as in taking up guns and bringing out the guillotines. That's for you to answer, not me.
Money will never disappear so long as finite resources exist
Again, you seem confused about the term "post scacity."
To be clear, I'm not advocating it, or even believe that's what would happen at all. But that's the direction certain people want to take us. There is also a chance that society becomes a technocratic tyranny, and 99% of us die. But my point is that your arguments don't matter, unless there's force behind them. And it seems to me much of the people complaining about AI right now are also the ones who push for removing that force from the populace. But that's par for the course, isn't it?
You want higher wages, but you also push for open immigration that would lower wages. You want equity for everyone, but push back against advances that would create the prosperity necessary to provide for that equity. You push for socialism which places the group above the individual, but now you want everyone to worry about what might happen to the privileged few who make money providing voices for entertainment.
Your appeals do not make sense. I want you to show me you understand what needs to be done, and you possess a willingness to do it. That can't happen without you first acknowledging the other side of the coin, so to speak, because what needs to happen requires the involvement of a lot of people of a certain kind. From where I'm sitting, they don't appear on your side right now.
I'm not even a socialist and you got most of my beliefs wrong. Shut up homosexual
Then why do you stand with them? You think these voice actors aren't socialists?
>when goods are more efficiently produced
Basically rushed and half-assed in the cheapest way possible.
>they become cheaper and widely accessible to more people
They also become crappier, which is why fast fashion is contributing to destroying the planet.
>automation in farming has decimated independent family farms, but reduced hunger overall
And made americans (and europeans too) obese because potato chips are cheaper and easier than raw ingredients
enjoy your heart attack at 46
>Do you actually want a world where humans have no agency in the creative process and just passively consume shit made by machines?
If the last decade's creative output was the best that humanity could do then it's long past overdue that we hand it over to the machines
This is such incredibly moronic reasoning. AI is still being trained on something and it's still always going to be ultimately controlled by the out of touch people at the top who've been producing tonnes of garbage and fricking up the entire industry.
It's like the morons happy that muh troonylators are going to be out of a job even though those people are going to be the only ones who still have a job editing what the AI puts out.
>it's still always going to be ultimately controlled by the out of touch people at the top
You haven't been paying attention then. The great thing about the AI race is that there are several free versions of the tech floating around out there that anyone can use. I know of some outsider artists who are eating good right now because it's allowing them to do things far beyond what traditional gatekeepers would ever let them do in a million years. In short, within five years it'll be the fat cats at the top making pablum for the masses, same as it ever was, and outsider artists making their masterpieces. The middle class of crony/nepobabies will starve and move on to whatever pasture will afford them clout and standing.
>I know of some outsider artists who are eating good right now because it's allowing them to do things far beyond what traditional gatekeepers would ever let them do in a million years.
The morons who actually buy into this shit are just embarrassing.
You're moronic if you can't realize we're only in the free alpha stage. If the tech actually improves to the point it's actually good you can bet your ass that it'll be running on proprietary code and hardware. They're using you for free data so they can put it to use for their eventual gated environment which you're going to have to pay out the ass in order to access. Why do you think the people at the top are salivating at the thought of using AI in shit? They know they're still going to be in control no matter what. In fact AIslop gives them even more control since they own the thing that produces it entirely without the pesky intermediary of artists or actors. Those "free" versions are going to stop being iterated on at some point and the new ones are going to be made in such a way that's it's impossible for your average Joe Shmoe to develop his own without a massive capital investment.
You have such a myopic view of the future, but thankfully not one grounded in reality.
You have to downright moronic if you can't see where the wind is blowing. The current state of the internet alone based on what it used to be is proof enough of this happening. The nature of the modern crony capitalism is to strangle off the little guy and absorb them and keep consolidating until you're too big to fail then you can do whatever you want.
How can you not see the trend from the last couple of decades and not think things are fricked?
How can you not see the trend from the last couple of decades and not see this as a lateral move at worst?
>a lateral move
Have you not seen how utterly fricked the housing market is? My parents bought a house right before the housing market crash of '08 for a little over 100K and it's valued almost three times as much now. The middle class is being eroded almost entirely out of existence.
Why are you babbling about the housing market? We're talking about the state of art here.
The state of art is just a microcosm of the state of everything and it's all getting fricked by the same people
>be average millennial with boomer parents
>have shit job that doesn't pay enough and keeps you trapped in poverty
>can't afford to buy a home
>will always pay rent
>dream of becoming famous through art
>realize you are stuck in poverty forever and companies will never let you become rich and famous
repeat until death.
of becoming famous through art
This really says it all, "art" being made by people who just want to become famous. They deserve so much worse than what AI will do.
What's wrong with wanting to become famous exactly? You think everyone should just stay irrelevant so you can exploit them easier?
Wanting to be famous just to be famous is such a brain dead zoomer thing. In better times such attitudes were considered low class and embarrassing.
Who the frick wants to be famous just to be famous? I want to be rich and famous because that gives me better control over my art. I want the means to force companies to respect my vision when they adapt my shit.
>famous
showbiz fame is cringe these days.
the animation industry needs a kat williams
Fame means your word has weight.
For an artist, that means being able to protect their creation.
Manga artists always have their name tied to their creation, bringing them fame, and thus have way more creative control over their works than random western nobodies. I can name Akira Toriyama, Masashi Kishimoto, Tite Kubo, Rumiko Takahashi, Takehiko Inoue, Nobuhiro Watsuki, Clamp, and countless others. How many western comic creators can YOU name?
if you need western showbiz to aquire fame in present day i pity you. I didnt say shit about Manga.
You think there isn't an industry in Japan?
How do you propose a western artist acquire fame and wealth (and thus subsequently creative control) to the level of, say, Eiichiro Oda?
this is co not a
>the state of americans right now
I'm all for artists succeeding, I just don't think we need to give our talents to the equivalent of Kirkland Animation Inc.™ when these people don't really care about us
Kim kardashian is famous. Her words hold zero weight.
Kim Kardashian's word hold very much weight when it comes to Kim's stuff, like the direction her show takes.
You want artists to control foreign policy or something? Even for you, that would be completely moronic. As an artist, I want complete creative control over my stuff and over adaptations of my stuff, but I'm not so greedy to think I should be in control of gas prices or other shit I have nothing to do with.
Yeah, don't become famous, stay poor, stay insignificant, oh by the way we are going to take your stuff and do what we please with it. Whatcha gonna do, oppose us? With what power and means?
A lateral move? Half the people I follow need contract work to put food on the table and keep doing their own art since it's incredibly difficult to do that shit on Patreon/merch alone and shit like this is going to decimate the job market, even worse when it's built on the back of their work. Corposlop is going to get even worse because they're going to excise the bit of human element that made it unique entirely and flood the market even more. Shit is looking dire.
This. Only people born rich can afford to do art. Everyone else can maybe hope to doodle something sporadically, when his corporate overlords let them have a pity day off, and that's only because outright murder is still illegal. For now.
>Do you actually want a world where humans have no agency in the creative process and just passively consume shit made by machines?
Better than making shovelshit that has no artistic merit and only exist to feed the bottom line.
>Better than making shovelshit that has no artistic merit and only exist to feed the bottom line.
What sort of argument is this? As if AI is going to end that instead of increasing it? Lmao
I have agency as a human and choose not to consume trash. It's that simple. Why should I stop someone from making trash if people enjoy it though? At what point do we get to say what is "enough" effort to not be considered slop?
>unaffordable housing
You can still afford a house if you're not a moron with your money
I don't hate AI. I hate how it's being used to mass-produce garbage and cut corners to make projects much worse just because it's faster and cheaper.
So you just hate Asians.
Were you expecting anything else though? From the big studios that have been churning out sequels and other various kinds of unoriginal/woke slop for years?
You can learn a lot from it and use it to help build your personal skill set. If only that was its main purpose instead of outright replacing humans.
I am not a creative, but I am not too worried about our AI overlords taking over and replacing us.
People are already starting to develop an AI-radar for AI-generated art, and frankly it won't be too long until the same happens for AI voices. (IMO, programmers have it harder with AI than creatives)
Yes, and that is exactly my point m8. With the new tech eliminating the barrier to entry, a flood of trash comes in because the hacks and the cheapskates are the first to take advantage of it. In a way, creatives have to up their game once tech like this arrives.
And as for the anime coloring and shading specifically, I believe that's a stylistic choice they switched to at some point. I'm fairly certain with today's advanced animation software it would be possible to recreate the handpainted cel look and shading if they really wanted to.
Same goes for western cartoons. Some studio hack in California central decided that super-clean art and backgrounds are the norm now
the super clean art and backgrounds are apparently a choice by the suits, because it takes less skill than stuff that looks better its easier to switch out hires and get new hires because they can adjust to the work environment faster
We already had that with regular humans.
if they used my voice data for anything I want a piece of the pie and they are denying me my pie slice
It sucks. Obviously. It's only benefit is producing more slop at lower prices, and in the era of streaming we already have cheap slop overload as it is. The only reason anyone here likes it is because people they don't like hate it.
Why are you forcing this as a generational thing?
millennials will get replaced, zoomers won't even know a world w/o ai
Zoomers are in their mid 20s anon
so unemployed
they won't have a decade of easy gigs to miss
>socialism doesn't work
Big shock.
ai socialism will work 😉
I think we need to be clear about the bottom line is. You can hate VAs all you want, but not only will they be out of work, the shows will also suffer as a result. Everybody loses except the executives calling these shots.
there's fricking Dall-E threads all over this fricking board
why do any of you guys give a shit? isn't this what you want? don't you love this? Those uppity artists getting fricked over, isn't this what you always wanted?? What's the problem, Cinemaphile? isn't this the exact thing you wanted, or at the very least couldn't be assed to care about?
maybe if you stopped rewarding the usage of AI shit because it steals from artists and gives shit to you for free, this wouldn't happen.
you've got nobody to blame for this but yourselves, you've done this to yourselves
>Cinemaphile is one person
>you've done this to yourselves
I've done nothing tho, I don't even watch shitty cartoons, lmao.
The Dall E threads are for shits and giggles fun, they're not producing TV shows to be watched by millions
millions have been far better entertained by dalle than pozzed trash
Those threads still existing here normalizes ai and normalizes ai replacement for all of us, eventually.
They're also containment threads.
there is nothing stopping anyone from using ai made images
all they do is get more people used to them
containment threads and containment boards don't work
AI is like if some guy broke into a restaurant, put half of everyone's meals in a giant pail, then started charging you for a scoop of the pail slop in the alley out back, and started calling themselves a chef.
If the chefs stop cooking, then the has no fricking business anymore, but he doesn't seem to care because it's about making a quick buck off of you stupid frickers before going to the next NFT-like flash in the pan fad
Nice cope.
FOOD ANALOGY FOOD ANALOGY OH MY GOD IT'S A FOOD ANALOGY
why are you guys okay with being fed fake shit like this
like why even bother existing at all at that point? Why not just put a wire right into your pleasure center and press a button to activate it like a fricking lab rat, at this point? Why even bother?
Why you seething?
because I want to enjoy things made by human beings not swallow shit poured in front of me like I'm a fricking farm animal that'll inhale whatever I see first
Enjoy your pozzed trash while it lasts.
Then pick up fishing or something.
It's fine, you'll live.
but will I want to, if everything is just regurgitated by an algorithm?
Clearly, my friend, you have never gone fishing.
The allure of the open seas, even a river will feed your soul more than any artificial entertainment possibly ever could.
You don't work in the fishing industry. Stock has been declining for years, it's getting bad
should have kept yer mouth shut about trump and gays, maybe the losers here would have still supported you... not that it would help any jobs being replaces by ai being replaced anyway...
*replaceable by ai
>times passes
>everything becomes fake and gay
old youtube was correct
AI work has more soul than a lot of the stuff humans are doing these days.
faux soul is no true soul at all
It’s not “fake” just because it was made by AI.
>no true soul at all
You mean like the state of things over the past few years without AI? I’d rather have good “fake” soul available than have more of the complete soulless shit and remakes/demakes humans are crapping out these days into the mainstream.
Yes its true things have been fricking horrible lately but the answer isn't to run to the slop machine. If you want quality, fight for it.
>fight for it
>get cancelled
All those VA's that were blacklisted for various dumb shit like wrong think and fake allegations must be laughing their asses off.
I wouldn't be surprised if the AI shill in these types of threads is a bot.
Then you’ve been arguing with an AI lol. Just face it they will replace your shitty “art”.
When people were fear mongering about AI I was expecting something like Skynet, Glados, AM, shit like that.
This is lame and boring.
We're a good half a century from that.
So we'll get lame Skynet to take over the world in order to create more copies and remakes of Indiana Jones and Star Wars. Wohoo!
If you do your research, AI is very integrated with the military, automated drones and survey and calculate plans of action with supplies near by, so a commander doesn't need to send people as troops to get a survey.
As much as this sucks for the industry, artists/vas had it coming. Should've spent less time sperging about politics and cared when automation started taking low wage jobs. Now no one wants to help you.
Even if they were beloved, how would anons help?
Ridiculous.
Find a way to include them in your projects and pay fairly.
>pay fairly
project's on spec, I don't get paid, neither will you
this is a matter of who you personally chose to follow, you fell for the rage bait algorithsm I guess because none of the artists I follow or followed in the past would sperg out about politics you're just bad at curating your media consumption
You're right however the ones that sperg about politics are for the most part the ones working on (American) cartoons.
How did they come to the agreement to literally sacrifice the protected circumstances of an entire career field?
"Better you than me."
>Cinemaphile claims that AI is their ace in the hole against megacorps and that it will help indies get a foot in the door
>AI is adopted instantly by the megacorps and is killing jobs all around entertainment which Cinemaphile claims is based because uhhhhh DA israeliteS
Give me a reason why I shouldn't watch an anime currently airing right now over anything coming from America.
>indies use ai
>corpos also use ai
okay
have fun with anime, were not watching it before?
no they claim it's based because "now the VA/writer/animator who called me an incel on twitter will be out of a job! heh... guess they should've learned to code..."
>get a foot in the door
what door, anyone can upload on youtube
Becuase Youtube is an ass platform for indie animation. Youtube can deem your video to be against their standards and demonetize you for it, which is extremely common, and their algorithm favors short form videos over TV series length videos.
As opposed to corporations and TV networks, and streaming site where you will be censored and pozzed from the get-go even if you spend decades climbing up those positions???
Get the frick outta here.
I didn't say TV and streaming were better platforms. Welcome to one of the bigger issues with American animation.
You think people like Glitch make money off of youtube monetization?
Merch sales are most of their revenue, and youtubers who can't make it off of merch make it off of Patreon. Depending on youtube ads just means you don't know how to do business.
Most youtubers make money through memberships and merch with patreon. They also do like longer videos if people watch it through, since it means more ads can play. But they can deem how much an ad pays depending on the genre and more.
AI will take over bit by bit, exploiting the dangerous mentality of "not my backyard" and this is the first step. Actor likeness is next.
honestly I'm not concerned, the worst part will simply be waiting it out
it's going to be embarrassing when all the CSAM and copyright violations all these AIs have in their datasets they literally cannot remove without nuking it all is made illegal to host/use, rendering it all functionally useless, and impossible to ever replace again without actual image vetting- something not possible at the current scale of hundreds of millions of pictures
>CSAM
Oh yes, the digital children, we must never forget them.
they trained on actual pictures, buddy
That sound highly actionable.
May ask for a source, nay even proof of these allegations???
With pictures if you can.
is was revealed to him during a schizophrenic episode
It's just going to end up an impotent deterrent, since no higher up is going to pull the litigious trigger on another when they are already drooling about their own shitty plans to exploit AI to make more money.
The only people getting sued are people who aren't part of the club and can't afford to defend themselves. The actual people exploiting the work of others at a mass market scale will all be playing nice with each other.
I don't know, if someone makes an AI Batman movie and it makes a shitload of, it would be too damn hard to studio B to not just 1:1 copy it and also rake in a shitload of money. Since they churned out the sequel, and no one owns the AI generated content
will someone please think of the digital children
I feel like a major issue is going to be the studios coming to the realization they technically do not own the voices or AI generated content either. They make something heavily AI based, and everyone pirates it, or other rival studios just outright steal it since there is no ownership, so no copyright.
Better than having fake woke shit in the dialogue.
You think the execs and producers that greenlit the woke globohomosexual slop in the first place are going to do anything different? No they'll just make more of it.
I'm not gonna watch any of their soulless schlock, made by unthinking, unfeeling machines that Hollywood will be pumping out.
And I'm also not gonna watch any AI made shit.
Based.
The only real answer.
Support real human art only.
Yeah it’s why I went to go watch The Boy and the Heron and not that corporate made garbage known as Wish, the best that can happen now is these megacorps begin to lose even more money
Here’s a pic of a praying mantis to cheer you guys up from all the gloom and doom, since I’m almost certain quite a number of Junior VAs are prion here
cute Manty
You can say no to your voice being used in AI, but then the companies can fire you, meaning they will and hire someone else
But you don't HAVE to agree to your voice being used in AI
Remember, it's all voluntary, YOUR union, SAG-AFTRA
What a bunch of parasites these fricking Hollywood unions are
>Any pie in the sky dream of releasing your own dream project is instantly going to be drowned out by every other schmuck and scammer with the same dream of making it big. They will have access to everything and see nothing.
holy shit this
a lot of a.i.gays are literally just the "ideas guy" who think that if someone could just see their story then it'll become the best thing ever
what's going to happen is a lot of these companies are going to fire a lot of talent and artists replacing them with a,i,, because it's free labor
a.i. shit will be the new globohomosexual artstyle
I've not seen any one of them produce something that doesn't look like derivative slop either
Hasn't this been out for 2 years, maybe even longer? Where are all the innovative AI films?
it's still more work than people realize, I brought up the example of voice synths because I've used those. The best stuff is still going to come out of teams working together the problem is that the people that push for this stuff lack the camaraderie to work with other people to bring anything to fruition, they want to work on their own stuff and hawk their own stuff it just takes too long to do it by yourself. And without a certain level of socialization you put your stuff out there and nobody cares because you didn't bother to befriend anyone so no one boosts you.
The only use I can see coming from this is in the hands of already talented people. For example a guy making his own game can generate and touch up background assets.
Not that I personally support this sort of thing but its no worse than asset packs.
Was the whole strike just a bunch of rich c**ts trying to get a nice bribe for giving up on everything the rest of the union actually wanted
Yes, ~85% of SAG-AFTRA members aren't making enough to get any of the union benefits during strikes et al
But they have to pack $3,000 to join and then at least $500 per year, despite SAG-AFTRA taking a cut from all your gigs
It's a racket, worse, unless you are a 'star overnight', you can't get an agent, and thereby a job, unless you are a SAG-AFTRA member
No wonder the Mafia loved unions
Turns out we're all living in some gang's turf and if we start our own they'll rob/kidnap or kill us.
>paying money to join unions
What the frick
Unions do take a bit of money to run properly, they shouldn't be asking for too much.
My union is great though no hate, I've got good healthcare because of them. Dental coverage could be better though.
America scares me.
Do you think unions work differently everywhere else? Things cost money to run. Feel free to still fear the USA though.
As it should.
RIP
>NOO YOUR FAMILY SHOULDN'T BENEFIT FROM LICENSING YOUR VOICE AFTER DEATH
>Yes, goy. Your creations are owned by us now f your family, if you die they can starve we don't care
VAs still have it pretty good compared to other creatives on the industry
I don't understand how anyone ever thought they were going to ban AI voice acting tech.
Like if I make an animated short and use vocaloid or eleven labs or tortoise or something did you really expect the ATF to kick down my doors and shoot my dog or something?
Are you moronic ?
This is about the union protecting their members from being replaced by AI, which they said they would, but instead they made an agreement where union members who don't agree to have their voice cloned won't get jobs, unless they are BIG names in voice acting.
The tech was never going to be banned.
Explain China then.
What sucks is that, right now, AI voice acting can sound pretty alright, but it really depends on the character, it really depends on how much you give it to train on, and it takes someone who actually knows what they're doing to either keep pushing it in the right direction or make the final call that it actually sounds good enough.
As a result, you end up with lots and lots and lots of AI work being pushed out now that isn't nearly as good as it could be, because the major proponents of it are either unqualified, lack taste, or are just fine with cutting corners. Given with how much studios already love cutting corners, I don't see this problem going away in the near future. It'll be ages before AI will not only be able to make something good, but also make it good without it being limited by the laziness and tastelessness of the prompter, and I can only imagine the quality and quantity of the shit that'll be put out until then will be unbearable.
And this is all just on the question of the quality of the voices. A lot of people seem to underestimate or completely disregard how much the voice actor is a creative influence themselves, often going as far as to embody the character, speak on their behalf, reject lines that are out of character, and suggest things they know they'd do. It's something you hear a lot for both animation and live action if you dip into behind-the-scenes material at all. An AI could still comment on such things, but the writers and execs aren't gonna take shit from a pooter
Thank Robot Jesus!
Ai will finally save us all from wokeshite pozz-slop by destroying the industry and humanity as a whole (eventually).
>this is what AItards really believe
it floors me how so many republicans are falling for this trash. what happened to being "conservatives"?
Olde timey religion is what folks need, none of ya'll city trash that did no good to nobody~
Why would conservatives want to conserve a progressive industry?
I dunno. Why do conservative parties brag about having black/gay/female members?
To get votes, no one cares about cartoons outside of people who will never vote for a conservative, so why would they give a frick about that industry?
This ain't like anime where everyone from tankies to full blown neo-nazis are represented.
Conservatives do care about cartoons, it's how we got Tiny Toons, Ren and Stimpy and Animaniacs.
Conservatives don't give a frick about the modern industry, and the conservatives who made those shows are barely involved in the modern industry since progs tend to purge anyone they disagree with politically.
You don't get to take over an entire industry and purge your political opposition within and then b***h when said opposition doesn't care about said industry collapsing.
>Conservatives don't give a frick about the modern industry.
Yes they do, it's how Callem Aronsen got as big as he did.
>And the conservatives who made those shows are barely involved in the modern industry since progs tend to purge anyone they disagree with politically.
They're fighting back in court.
>You don't get to take over an entire industry and purge your political opposition within and then b***h when said opposition doesn't care about said industry collapsing.
You do know thats how John K entered the animation industry... Right?
Friendly reminder that AI voices will never be real voices, just like you will never be a real woman.
Rent-free
You think this will make people realize that unions are just as corrupt as any company?
The strike was always about realizing they had no future, so they were going to pull up the ladders and do all they could to secure themselves the bag going forward. This way they get paid for life, and no new voice actors will ever be allowed again.
>a.i. will get rid of all the pozzed woke shit and true art will rise once again
i can't believe people fell for this grift
Grey DeLisle better fricking apologize.
I see the 24/7 Simpsons channel. AI scriptwriting, AI animation, AI voice acting.
It's so funny how every other poster on Cinemaphile is a temporarily embarrassed future show creator acting like their future is being robbed before their eyes.
It's much bigger than voice acting anon
Nobody wants to hear that. They want their own most petty little grudges and biases to be confirmed, they do not want to hear that there is now a very real super-technology that is going to be used to lay off millions of workers in a small period of time, with zero financial protections or UBI waiting for them. They do not want to be told they are soon going to be useless for even labor, and only good for having their genome scanned and robbed to help the rich become immortal.
But nah, it's fine. All good.
i don't get whats the point of replacing everyone, what stops the ai from removing the humans using it. thats basically Skynet shit.
>animators go on strike
>new era of live action shows and imports of year old Europe cartoons
>animators in the west die
seems like a winning move to me.
Those "year old Europe cartoons" aren't even from actual Europeans but rather migrant workers from Africa and the middle east and it's only as of now Europe is FINALLY getting rid of them.
Weird how they're importing so many people when automation is improving so fast
They're already getting deported and it's not because of automation.
I don't know. Really seems to late for most of the west at this point. Even if France had zero migrants the young generation is literally 40% brown now. In a generation that number will be 60% and in another generation the overall population will follow after boomers and gen x are dead
another example of actors being morons
>Any european country unfricking itself ever
yeah i'll believe it when i see it
They're already doing it.
Europe will be as white as snow again.
>the only jobs that will be available in the future will be shit manual jobs that kill your back and pay absolute shit
>everything nice will be nepotism because they can
this is why I'm not having kids, there is no point existing on this earth just to suffer
you guys gotta understand that animation is treated like child’s play and will never be prioritized over irl shows even though the movie star is dead. america would rather get celebs, ai, ips and anime before ever putting effort into animation as an art form
The future of animation of puppet rigged AI slop.
AI voices
AI character designs
AI animation
AI sound scoring
AI editing and production
AI EVERYTHING! NOTHING IS REAL ANYMORE. EVERYONE OUT OF THE JOB
Not going to happen, Trump is running for office to made sure this doesn't happen.
Go back to your containment board and rot there.
This shit is going to make things even worse. Nothing but slop as far as the eye can see.
>people say learn a trade
>trade gets taken over by AI somehow
This thread
>OH NO THE SLOP. I AM SO SCARED OF THE SLOP!!!!
Just don't watch it. Use your money to support good things. I have a feeling most of this thread is VAs coming here to b***h and shame anyone that doesn't support them.
The problem is it's going to be even more difficult to find non-slop shit and it's going to frick over a lot of people that depend on art/VA work as supplemental income for their personal stuff. You don't need to be an artist or an actor to recognize the reality of how this is gonna frick the entertainment scene over in the long-run. Corposlop is bad enough, now it's going to dominate even more.
And you can still just not watch it. Tons of people make shit for little to no money and if people stop supporting big corpos and use that money to keep supporting people that make stuff the problem is solved.
Well you are going to have to deal with it because people will do it. But you don't have to spend your time or money on it.
Even before AI the last few years has been a sea of shit that you have to sift through to find shit worth watching. Now it will be easier because once you hear AI voices you can just turn it off.
Not watching it isn't going to stop it from spreading like a weed and choking out anything else that tries to grow. Sure, it won't kill off *everything* but it will make it that much harder for non-slop shit to flourish. And just not watching it isn't going to dissuade them, you can see how predatory the gaming industry has turned into despite all the complaining about microtransactions and such. Just because you don't participate won't matter much, there's an army of braindead NPCs out there willing to happily pay against their own self-interest.
I’m neither a writer, animator, or voice actor. Regardless of that though I sure as frick don’t want to see AI become even more widespread and have to wade through a massive tidal wave of garbage to find something that’s not entirely soulless shit.
What's the point of making slop cheaper to produce if the kind of people who don't mind slop won't have the excess income to pay for the slop in the first place?
why do some of the anons in this thread hate VAs so much? where the frick did this vitriol come from? wtf is wrong with you people?
You know whats also on the rise?
AI genners who take "drawing requests" here.
So much so, its harder to find the actual artists who are taking requests.
I guess the genners like the rush of having an audience begging for coom material. I bet they think "this what is must feel to be a true artist"!
I feel like its only gonna get worse here on out.
We really need a red /ai/ board once the Bing stuff dropped, and yet this site does NOTHING to imrpove the situation, like with all the e-celeb threads
And by here I meant site wide, not just this board.
Well maybe you guys should start linking your Twitter/DA/Faffinity profile so the fine gentleman of /b/,/tg/ and /aco/ know who to support?