It's strangely satisfying when they show him being good at stuff.
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It's strangely satisfying when they show him being good at stuff.
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It really is
It's because you self-insert too hard
You don't understand what that word means
>can only like characters if he can put himself in their place
Sad
can you self-insert as a guy who uses that phrase less
Touch grass
Idk why anyone would want to self-insert as Rusty. Unless you've got as much emotional baggage and mental health issues as he does.
Idk how anyone can really self-insert in VB.
I have the Monarch as a very dear caricature, but they're like almost real people.
Because he always has been good at stuff he just never had his time to shine. It's honestly really relatable in this day and age where lots of capable people are extremely limited by circumstances and lack of resources
Do you think it's so satisfying because of how many seasons you've watched him struggle against his own mediocrity?
He's such a shit businessman and crappy father that you almost forget he's a decent superscientist, geneticist, and legendary adventurer
>a decent superscientist
I thought the shtick was he was coasting on his father's old inventions.
He can kind of do super science, he is just lazy and cuts corners.
This. Rusty did tons of comparitevily impressive stuff like a hypno chamber, a walking eye drone, cloning technology, a "working" light saber and even a functional portable artificial womb.
Plus teleportation and Venturestein.
And while he was a scumbag about it he did get that Gargantua ray shield working.
He definitely has some kind of psychological fear of failure. He self destructively undercuts himself. He can do super science, but since he is always mentally in his dad’s shadow he is afraid to innovate and ends up just using he dad’s old stuff.
His main skill is getting failed inventions to work. His dad invented the shrink ray but it didn't actually work until rusty worked on it. Same with the teleported Jonas Jr invented, Rusty was able to get it working. Ditto for the cloning tech. He can make failed inventions successful.
Jonas was super into selling helpers which were actually dangerous as frick, he invented an ai computer that became sentient and trapped people underground and made a space station that almost killed him
He fricked up worse than rusty ever did but nobody ever held him accountable
>He fricked up worse than rusty ever did but nobody ever held him accountable
Cause many of his witnesses died or it was implied to be covered up by higher forces.
it's sorta half and half. part of it is, the old inventions don't work right. but they are also the only thing that, at least sometimes, 'sells.' and he needs money to maintain his lifestyle.
He did build those deflector shields
Rusty is a good, bad scientist
Let's be honest here, he just invents things that he thinks are cool and once in a blue moon he makes something that will actually be useful.
That's most inventors.
Nikola Tesla invented a handful of unbelievably useful inventions like the induction motor, and then spent the other 95% of his career either spending money he didn't have to make expensive shit that didn't work, or just straight up duplicating what others had already done and throwing some Tesla flair on it.
yeah I think that's what Venture Bros was basically about
it's using fiction to describe issues with real life. fictional superscience failed in the same way that real-life regularscience failed. and we're all just living in a situation held together with duct tape and paper clips like the guild.
We already knew but movie confirmed he invented artificial wombs
didn't he invent teleportation and it became a huge deal?
He discovered the cure the gay gene but world just isn’t ready for progress
He's also a reasonably diplomat
He's the Hank Pym to Professor Impossible's Reed Richards.
He's still a literal superscientist. Rusty is just such a frick up that it almost makes that trait useless. The times where he is useful shows that Rusty is not totally pathetic and that he can change.
>The times where he is useful shows that Rusty is not totally pathetic and that he can change.
One of the reasons I liked pic related is that it shows for all of his faults, Rusty actually did grow up and move on from his "boy adventurer" life (at least to the extent he's able). It's especially telling in this episode
, where Rusty proves again to be the only adult at the Guild/OSI summit. Having Hank and Dean in his life undoubtedly forced him to mature and be a better father than his own.
He really grew and the show shifted after that and killinger, but I also felt like his whole arc was pretty dead in the water until season 7 and he took a background role because of it.
rusty and brock didn't need any further development at a certain point, so the show became about them doing their jobs and supporting others who needed further development
that's a little high given their semi-poor coordination and the overall low level of aggression they can successfully fend off, but the only reason i'd rank them low is that the guild doesn't really regulate the phenomenal cosmic stuff. There's no guild membership on file for INMAKTU, THE UNBIDDEN but if he starts biddening, I'm calling Orpheus.
maybe one day he could be good at starring in a successful tv show
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Feel bad for not giving any money to that show but then again I live in europe and it doesn't air here so I guess frick it.
The teleporter episode was complete bullshit. The world already had loony super-science tech everywhere so OSI suddenly having the power and competence to suppress one particular invention made no sense. It would have easily been ten times better if they had Rusty succeed initially but then frick it all up by himself.
He created a Brundlefly-free means of instantly traversing space. Hunter put it best when he said that such a leap forward in tech would IMMEDIATELY make entire industries revolving around transport obsolete. Airlines, package delivery, even fuggin DoorDash would evaporate practically overnight due to the public wanting transport to go from "lighting fast" to "literally, LITERALLY fast as lightning". It be like if someone came out with a Tesla way back in the horse and buggy days, mankind needs a few more checkmarks on it's list done before we start going full Flash Gordon
why can't mankind just go full flash gordon if we have the tech? why not just make the world a better more efficient place for everyone?
Not saying we cant, we just can't do it that quickly. Think of it this way: our entire civilization right now more or less revolves around cars, roads and the like. Miles of asphalt connect communities, cities are planned entirely with cars in mind, etc. What would happen if, right now, literally following this exact second, every car and road on the planet became superfluous and unnecessary? What does human civilization revolve around once arguably it's greatest need is forever taken care of?
…The next greatest need?
If we're reaching a level where we can give all known laws of physics the finger, we probably have things like energy on lockdown as well
the moment we figure out how to pierce space, energy generation issues go out the window
>put portal at bottom of lake
>put other portal above turbine
>let it run
>free energy with no need to waste/'store' any pumping the water back up to the top of the turbine
not to mention free air conditioning just linking a portal in your house to one in antarctica. no a much bigger issue, which they didn't bring up at all, is SECURITY. the ability to hold valuables would become really fricking hard with portals. It has sometimes been said that cities could not exist until lockable doors and solid walls on individuals' homes did.
Would you give your caveman ancestors a full fledged nuclear reactor and say "go nuts"?
thats not the same at all tho
Isn't it, tho? The effect would be the same, you're dumping concepts upon them that they haven't even invented the words to describe yet, much less being able to comprehend it's function. And that's to say nothing about how some of the more clever ones might take a look at it and think "How do I kill someone with this?"
the difference is that the caveman (which i will straw-man for this discussion) will never conceive the idea of teleportation.
but people in the venture bros universe similar to ours, dream about it and the positive changes it will bring. sure many industries will go obsolete but humanity will acclimate. even if the teleporter were made today we would still use cars for a while
And by that same measure, what's to stop someone from figuring out how to teleport half of the President's head to the moon? Or zap in an a-bomb literally anywhere on the planet and set the fricker off? Security itself would become moot if anyone could steal the nuke codes by just reaching across the damn room.
There's a whole gaggle of worms crammed into the particular can you're talking about opening, is the point we're trying to make here.
nothing is stopping us from firing an a-bomb on any place on the planet already, except that we really don't want to do that. and anyone could just kill any world leader if they really wanted to, all it takes is a sniper rifle and line of sight. most people, ENOUGH-most-people, just don't wanna do that.
>Isn't it, tho?
It isn't. A caveman has no use for power generation
There isn't a single soul in the entire history of the planet that can't see the use in making travel faster and easier
That's a good point.
Great scientific and technological leaps tend to cause great upheaval in the social, political, economic, etc. it’s not as simple as just introducing new tech and ideas you have to have an understanding of how it will change the society and integrate with it.
>why not just make the world a better more efficient place for everyone?
You're begging the question here. Does teleportation being announced tomorrow actually improve anything?
It's easy to think that it would if you look at it in isolation. You want to see a movie, you step into your teleporter, you step out at the theater. Easy, right? Well, what if you aren't a filthy NEET seeing the 10 AM Marvel movie alone? What if you want to take a date out to a sold-out showing at 8 PM? Suddenly, there's 199 other people teleporting in, and because teleportation is instant, they're all hopping onto the teleporter at 7:55, just like you are. How many teleporters does the theater need to handle this? Too few and you end up with half of the audience held up and complaining that they couldn't get there despite getting in the teleportation queue. Too many and you suddenly have to find floorspace for 50 teleporters, and walkways to get the crowds away, and waiting space around each one for families that teleport through one-by-one. The same applies to every restaurant and store and so on.
>just repurpose the parking lots into teleporter locations
Sure, but that only works if everyone can afford an at-home teleporter, or is even willing to get one if they can afford it. Plus, you can't just throw those teleporters outside. Even if they're built to handle the rain, you're got a shit ton of wires and the customers don't want to get soaked teleporting into a rainy parking lot, so you have to build a whole additional building where the parking lot used to be, which drains even more of the theater's capital than the teleporters already did.
Apply this thought exercise to any teleporter-driven "improvement" and you'll realize you're giving random crazies the ability to teleport bombs into public spaces, and all you're getting out of it is a different flavor of headache. Any efficiency gains will take ages to hash out.
i forget the name of this fallacy, the "it's not a good enough improvement, so let's not do it at all" concept
right now, if you want to go see a movie, you have to get into a fricking car and dodge 600 other cars to get there, then find a space to park it in a place where several hundred other people are trying to watch a movie. this doesn't work.
with a teleporter, you could just build more theaters, and put them anywhere. who cares where it is, you can teleport there. build it on cheap land in buttfrick kansas.
It's not a fallacy at all. Growing pains are an unavoidable fact of progress. It's not an improvement in the first place UNTIL there's a critical mass of buy-in from customers AND businesses, and all you have to do to see how long that process can take is look at video calls or the Internet. Even a wholly benign technology can take decades to catch on, and most people don't have a spare $2000 to drop on a teleporter that doesn't go to anywhere they care about visiting that they can't already get to by car. The inevitable massive benefits simply aren't going to outweigh the risk, to the individual or the corporation, of being the moron holding the bag if it doesn't catch on. There's a reason major innovations spend a couple decades getting kicked around by massive organizations with the ability to make everyone comply with a new technology (i.e. armies and government organizations) before people start voluntarily adopting the now-proven thing.
you're not allowed to say something is unavoidable just because you're not creative enough to see more than one outcome
you think somehow people are going to drop nukes into their friend's living room without even considering there would be some kind of safeguard or security on it. If people like you were in charge, we would never have put windows in our houses because ohno what if someone gets in
I don't know why I said 'if'
people like you ARE in charge, and that's why we can't have AI and it's going to be outlawed before i even get a chance to use it because i still don't know how. or at best, it'll be required to be censored at a fundamental level so it can't generate any of what I'd like to.
Anon, it's not about the tech having safeguards or failsafe. It's about the tech ITSELF existing. The very concept of being able to transport matter across vast distances instantaneously with minimal energy cost doesn't just change the game, it changes the goddam arena. The moment the what-have-you mechanics involved are worked out and become public knowledge, the world as we know it to be ends. No amount of regulations or laws passed to "keep things safe" will EVER close that Pandora's Box
>become public knowledge
dude, the public knew "gasoline on fire inside a tube makes a cylinder pop" but they weren't able to cobble together a car in their backyard and run people down at 60mph.
regulations don't do shit. people just ... don't want to do that.
Anon, a goddam 14 year old once made a low grade nuclear fusion device using bits of radioactive material he salvaged from batteries and smoke detectors and block of lead he spent his allowance on. When there's a will, there is and always will be a way, so let's not let the next batch of 14 year olds have access to something God's only been privy too, ok?
I feel like the blame there is on the way radioactivity works.. Not to get all 'piracy is a failure of the market' on you or anything, but getting teleporter tech out and figuring out how to contain it makes more sense than REQUIRING people to figure it out in their garage. I mean if it exists, then the genie's out of the bottle. It's not as if inventing the nuke had any direct lead into that young man doing that. he didn't have fricking, schematics from the government...
.... i mean, did he?
I just assumed the teleporter used some really difficult and exotic materials that the average person didn't have access to. probably not in their smoke detectors. which... the radiation-based ones suck anyway.
>it's not as if inventing the nuke had any direct lead into that young man doing that. he didn't have fricking, schematics from the government...
Iirc his design was the same in principle as the Demon Core, basically encase radioactive material inside a dense outer layer that bounces stray neutrons naturally given off by decay back into itself, making more neutrons and eventually achieving critical mass. Only difference is the Manhattan boys were using full blown plutonium while the kid was using handful of scrap material he literally scraped together and put a chunk of lead over it.
it's more that industries with finance prevent it from happening. If Rusty tried to start teleportation tech, he'd likely be fricking assassinated and the research would be seized or destroyed. Industries are not held back by man's prowess, but rather money's iron grip to keep things just the way they are.
well that's true NOW, not so much when the episode was written. companies fricking hate money now and will lock everything down to avoid making a single red cent. before, they would love to use a new technology to make money.
it's almost as if one of our enemies, one opposed to capitalism, has somehow infiltrated us in ways that we have proven they have... but naw that's silly.
homie we've HAD water and vegetable powered engines before, in their infancy they were as shitty as old gas motors. Even the fricking electric car took decades to get off the ground due to efforts to make it LOOK like shit. Money has been holding back our advancement for at least the last 100 years.
it's so weird that you think this. i guess the public schools are teaching it now because they want their socialist utopia, but it's not gonna work
petroleum is inherently significantly more energy-dense than any biomatter. the only reason anyone has ever made vegetable oil fueled cars is the oil is -used up- from cooking already. Before that, it costs a fricking mint. especially now. Oil is expensive because we need so much, but in terms of price per volume? it's just about the second cheapest liquid in all of matter.
Homes it's not even what I think, it's objective fact. These inventions existed, and before they could be refined they were halted. If you wanna blame schools for teaching objective truths about history because of some political agenda you're hellbent on staying married too then go ahead. I'm going to stand by my point that Hunter warning Rusty about teleportation tech not being ready to go live was not saying the world wasn't ready, it's that Rusty would not be ready for what would happen to himself if he seriously tried to publicize and seek the right to sell it. If you have an invention that's going to destroy multiple systems of business, you're going to ruffle some feathers, especially in a magical world with supervillains and civilian causalities being regular instances. Hell Brick frog killing that one scientist just because he was going to make indestructible walls reinforces my point.
>Homes it's not even what I think, it's objective fact.
You don't think its true, but believe that its a fact?
Not if that new technology would actively hurt thier bottom line. Basic economics dictates that they would prioritize short term gain, especially when there's no garuntee of long term returns.
>Enemies of capitalism have infiltrated society
Yes, they're called libertarians.
Companies monopolizing so hard they're self-destructive happened in the gilded age. As companies begin to monopolize markets, they stop innovating and will start trying to stop others from innovating, because they view innovation as a threat to their dominance. At best, the monopoly will buy a competitor and then either adopt the innovation if it reduces overhead, or smother the tech so they don't have to worry about it.
In the era of anti-trust and the new deal, the smaller companies the trusts were broken into wound up with cumulatively more market value and they were more innovative, higher quality.
But over the decades, libertarians, wealthy ones in particular, have pushed the idea of FREEDOM. Companies need the FREEDOM to sell guns. To sell fentanyl. To increase medicine prices.. To make airplanes that crash like the Boeing MAX. To remove inspectors from meat plants. To monopolize whole markets. To vertically integrate. To pay lower wages. To fire employees for any reason or no reason. FREEDOM. Government intervention to limit these things is anti-FREEDOM.
We've been gradually FREEING ourselves to return to all the gilded age shackles.
You're both complete morons with less than no knowledge of politics, civics, economics, or even basic world history.
Shut the frick up when adults are speaking
Why contain it ? Just embrace it
Why do you keep acting like the bombs are the important part when the important part is clearly "there is an extreme introductory cost for no gain that makes it risky for both consumer and business to invest in teleporters until a sufficient number of other consumers and businesses take the leap in spite of those same risks?"
>no gain
literally everyone gains from this. not a single person's life wouldn't be improved.
you're using the same mindset that says "well it's okay if we lose money, somehow that will benefit us as long as nobody gains more than we do."
also what, you literally just described how all new technology works, as if that's an argument for why it needs to be stopped.
I don't gain a fricking thing from owning a teleporter until everywhere that I currently drive to buys and installs their own teleporters. I'm not adopting the technology until it completely replaces my car. I'm not going to pay for both, and the car already gets me everywhere without depending on the decisions of whoever owns the destination.
then that's a self-resolving problem.
Now you get it.
so OSI's role is a bit unnecessary, isn't it?
A world where the only people that decided to be early adopters of teleporter technology are nerds, evil midnight bombers what bomb at midnight, and local bureaucracies that accepted federal grants in exchange for adopting teleporter infrastructure is a world with a lot of dead bureaucrats, and alphabet agencies usually try to prevent that exact scenario.
...
okay. You've convinced me that they at least need to do SOMEthing
but the way they explained it is really off if that's the case. nevermind the situation in the middle east, it would upset the delicate balance that keeps, as you pointed out earlier and the show elaborated on further, crazies with rayguns in an easily-policed, largely-subdued holding pattern.
It's a matter of timing. Rusty has the name, connections, and production facilities to get mass-produced teleporters to market reasonably quickly, and he's got no moral qualms with doing so regardless of how poorly it goes for the public as long as he gets in the history books as the inventor and he makes a fat stack of cash. OSI can afford to play the long con because it's an organization, not a person. If they keep that holding pattern up for a few decades while they figure out how to introduce "improved" (controlled) teleporters in a way that reinforces the global status quo instead of destabilizes it, that's another story. "Not now" doesn't mean "not ever", but the eventualities would not Gathers's department
For a real-world similar deal, look at how the CIA and NSA both run large numbers of Tor nodes. They don't have a problem with the technology itself, they have a problem with the technology being out of their control. Once they had plans in place to mitigate the risks, it because useful for their own agents and they even encouraged the public to adopt it because it helped to further obfuscate their own data.
As an aside, I leafed through the transcript and Gathers's arguments to Rusty come across more as threats framed around the actual reasoning, not so much actually trying to explain it to him. A way of saying "You will upset people and we will not be willing to protect you because you will also have upset us."
okay that makes sense. maybe he custom tailored it a bit to what-rusty-is-afraid-of
after all he invented that insane 'this is what rich people get up to' fantasy in the simulator.
honestly I think some of that shocked Doc into better behavior. he's not gonna turn kids into joy cans anymore. now THAT is a technology you'd think OSI would nip.
You'd be surprised what you're allowed to do with legally sourced corpses, especially if you aren't selling the results.
that's not the point, and he was totally ready to sell it
once you get joy cans out there, industry stops. life stops.
you're british, aren't you
>once you get joy cans out there, industry stops. life stops.
No, you're right, but he hadn't finished it yet. The one in the episode is a prototype (and gets destroyed at the end), so assuming he didn't go out and make his own orphan heart, it probably wasn't on anyone's radar yet.
While I'm likely tipping my hand to admit it, I am not British. I am American, currently living in a country entirely controlled by money and hating every second of it. A country Venture Brothers takes place in. My point stands that while Venture Bros never took a hard stance about it, it's something they nodded to frequently in the show.
i've got news for you pal
you may think you're american, but you're not
get out of my country
There's dozens of socialist 'paradises' for you to expatriate to. Pick one and frick off.
Gathers holds Rusty in naked contempt. Like really shockingly naked contempt and we never quite learn why. It only changes during the movie. I'd bet a dollar he made the play that way to make sure Brock was loyal to him over Rusty, which was always a question mark.
>Gathers holds Rusty in naked contempt
I think thats 100% because Brock has loyalty to Rusty over OSI/Sphinx. Brock would often let the Ventures get involved with Sphinx business and while that settled down when they went back to OSI Brock took the first chance given to be brought back into the Ventures lives. Gathers otherwise probably sees Rusty as some rich kid prima donna past their prime who keeps getting involved in OSI/Sphinx business
I really like how they address it in the movie: Brock finally answers Rusty's "Am I a bad person?" question by defending Dr. Venture as a man and protagonist to his boss and father figure, and Hunter is reminded that he wanted to run a cleaner OSI instead of immediately becoming a skinny Traester, deciding to do the heroic thing when he sees that against all odds there's a chance to save everyone.
Also a great scene for Billy where he calls Rusty on wanting to bail, like, of course you're going to stop the building you're Dr. Venture.
Gathers is a dick to everyone, that's how he got to be the head of the O.S.I.
It's pretty rich how he says a teleporter is too far when his headquarters is a giant aircraft carrier in the sky.
The Stars My Destination is pretty interesting in how teleportation as a learnable innate human ability changes the world. For starters they get rid of doors to private residences altogether.
Cause several large corporations would go bankrupt overnight causing the economy to crash and it would trickle down all the way to lower-middle class until we basically have another Depression but worse.
Because it would be bad for the OSI budget if the oil barons suddenly went bankrupt.
>Hunter put it best when he said that such a leap forward in tech would IMMEDIATELY make entire industries revolving around transport obsolete.
Where were they when rayguns and antigravity tech got loose? Where were they when the fricking Guild took the teleporters?
Bunch of loonies in costumes running around with sci-fi tech is fine so long as they stay in thier lane and keep to bugging super scientists or stealing shit. It's when they threaten to upend hundreds of years of societal progress or outright destroy the world that OSI steps in.
The Guild exists to keep super-tech functionally useless; instead of taking over the world with deathrays they're charging twenty million a pop or them in the company gift shop so bored billionaires in shitty costumes and aging rockstars can fight the disfigured victims of lab experiments in the gayest game of cat and mouse ever devised. So long as they play dress up OSI just has to focus on the cleanup and on normal people not getting hit in the crossfire, both organizations have a ton of pointless bureaucracy in place to facilitate this.
SPHINX and now OSI go after the few elements that don't play the game and do pose a threat. Even though they did frick up with the teleporter, what did the Guild do with it? With the most miraculous form of transportation ever devised? They used it to commute to a giant space asteroid to save on rocket fuel until one of their upper management became lost in limbo, and they teleported assassins into the only non-Guild place on Earth that had another teleporter - the guys they stole it from in the first place. So long as the guy holding the super-tech is too moronic to do anything really dangerous with it, humanity is safe.
now i'm realizing
the fundamental concept of the show, that all the superscience happened but was too inefficient and ultimately useless to change the world ("Kenner wasn't interested in a toy that cost 300 dollars in parts alone, and the army said they 'don't swordfight anymore' "), might be due to OSI meddling. There's layers and layers to this shit.
the world is fricking dying waiting for this shit to be made. at least give him a timeframe, promise it will be out in X years, and in the meantime let him create the.. 'baby steps.'
How many people die in car accidents every year
Not my problem
If I had that dicksucking machine the OSI use on Rusty I don't think I'd invent anything ever again.
I don't know if that was what they were going for or if it's all just in Rusty's head: I just find the idea of ten of the most powerful people in the world thinking they're the Illuminati going to Eyes Wide Shut orgies, when in reality it's just a line of them in VR googles taking their turn on the OSI blowjob machine the funniest shit ever.
Not to mention seeing Dr Mrs the Monarch nude was kind of anticlimactic
yeah that, plus anyone who thinks continuing to rely on arab oil actually HELPS keep the global peace is a fricking nutjob. it's literally peaceful countries supporting unpeaceful countries because they lucked into all the fuel. Without the need for oil, islam would end in like a week, and the ishmaelites would finally return to the god of abraham properly.
Was this episode ever uncensored on Blu-Ray? I remember a stink about it not being.
I have the series dvd rips and that episode is uncensored
Yeah the heist bit was so good but the osi/venture side of the episode is legitimately hard to watch. I kept waiting for Rusty to pull the tin foil trick Hank and Dean both know and tell Hunter off for the kind of attitude that'd keep the world relying on the horse and fricking buggy.
Because Status Quo shit is boring. After 20 years of Rusty failing it's nice to see him get a win that actually sticks for a little while. It doesn't have to be life changing and reality altering. But real life doesn't reset every week so seeing an action have consequences no matter how minor shows that there's payoff to watching a show with continuity. It's inherently satisfying for a show to reward you for paying attention by having shit actually happen or matter.
VB is a good time.
I almost dropped the show when brock was replaced as a body guard for like 2 seasons. that other dude was fricking boring and the show seemed really stale especially with those two dudes who always reference shows and music
I thought the joke was that he was only really good at evil inventions. Venturestein, the Joy Can, God Gas, etc. It fits in with Killinger thinking he would make a good villain.
The real joke is that half the shit his father invented is obsolete or so badly put together with so many cut corners it makes the garbage Rusty shits out look like a model of efficiency. Jonas' true gift was the charisma and PR skills that let him coast by the kind of failures that have dogged Rusty's entire career. Rusty's an innate evil superscientist yes, but given some of the downright vile shit his dad built, the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
The Mass Produced HELPER fiasco's the perfect example. He cut corners on a shitty consumer market model that performed badly, had one shitty unit nearly kill a baby while it's shitty mother was having a swinger party, and one week after the witch hunt that rounded up every single unit and purged them all, what happens? He saves the president and all is forgotten. The PR and financial losses on that would have killed Rusty, for Jonas it was just a bump on the road.
If he had lived past the 80s it would have been interesting to see if his 60s optimism style of superscience would have just floundered as spectacularly as it did in our world, and if he would have spent his final years every bit the bitter failure that Rusty has been for most of the show. Financially I don't think he could have competed with the kind of boring but useful stuff the Blue Morpho and Jonas Jr. came up with: people don't need a walking eye or a hoverchair that makes you sterile but they do need better VCRs and I-Pods.
nah Jonas would have cleaned up in the 80s
if he didn't contract boneitis.
What Threat Level would you put the Order of the Triad?
Honestly, Orpheus alone is one of the most powerful magic users (if not the most powerful without cheating like Outrider).
Jefferson is really fricking good at hand to hand combat.
I don't think we have ever seem the Alchmiemist do anything
I would place them at Level 8.
He turned a car wheel into Gold. Might have been Fool's Gold though.
Al's powers are even more inconsistent than every other magic user in the setting.
In general it's heavily implied the wizards are their own thing and indulge the guild/osi stuff largely for good publicity and cash. Orpheus is acknowledged as foremost master within the Brimstone Society which immediately makes him 10 grade, but the magic users on all sides need no reason to tell their peers what they really care about.
Which is mostly really dirty parties.
So how old was 21 anyways? Considering he joined up when he was like 15 years after the boys were born (Rusty bought the eggs back in college and it took a few years after that for Monarch to get his Trust Fund and become a real villain) makes me think he's not even 30 yet so once Monarch retires for real he can probably attach himself to some up and comer female villain and be her #2/husband.
yeah I think he's barely approaching 30. everything about him comes off that way.
>makes me think he's not even 30 yet so once Monarch retires for real he can probably attach himself to some up and comer female villain and be her #2/husband.
hahahah nice
This actually feels like a great end for him.
Here is now a imaginary scenario that I would like to hear from anons:
>HOW YOU THINK BROCK'S DEATH IS GOING TO BE LIKE?
Will he die young in an heroic feat worth of a season finale? Die old in his bed? Die in a weird but mundane accident? How you think the big man would go?
Ideally he fakes his death and hooks up with Molotov living in a trailer park where he can work on cars all day.
I'm thinking... he's at the end of a nice long vacation, ready to go back to OSI work, starting to get a little tired in his old age but still able to kick ass, the very successor to Treister, but a lot more zen and keeping his composure...
then one of Orpheus's enemies lets loose some manner of demon, like a really fricking bad demon that interrupts this dumb game everyone is playing, and needs to be taken seriously
and while everyone is scrambling and trying to see if it's hurt by ray guns or tranq darts, and Orpheus consults the Master on what the frick to do, Brock gets in between him and, uh... well I was about to say Hank or Dean's kids, but I don't think that's gonna happen. Maybe someone else's. Maybe fricking Gary's kids, I dunno. and he fights the thing until he literally breaks himself, like it's not even the demon guy that kills him but he bashes his own fists to splinters against the thing's face, and dies of blood loss.
Oldman Samson becoming leader of OSI sounds really based
or at least like, de facto leader. The big #2 who oversees everything. the Riker of OSI to Hunter's aging PIcard, who is more on the "making speeches and giving broad orders" side of things.
This, but instead of dying from blood loss jumping into a portal to hell/another dimension, and is never seen again,
To be fair that was mostly irradiated interns (albeit working off of his design),
>NOSMAS KCORB
He's going to die of a heart attack while exercising, long after retirement.
I was just thinking about the scene in the movie where they're falling and he gets asked how long they have. I really liked that scene for the reason you said.
What was the deal with Radical Left?
Dude technically showed up a lot, got a seat on the Council but....never did anything.
Not only he never did anything, he almost never had a joke focused on them or talked much with people around him. He feels pretty aimless as far as a character go.
I'd rather have Phage on the Council earlier. Phage was cool.
I imagine he kept himself in check.
professor phage was voiced by bill heder wasn't he?
He's two personas, Radical Left and Right Wing. But to answer your question, he's likely a very politically driven individual that ironically appeals to everyone given his dual personality. The Guild is nothing but bureaucracy and politics, so a high level position like that works for him
The Left not doing anything? What a strange notion
The episode were they try to make him into a villain and he refuses and the one were he decides he is an adult and doesn't belong at child adventures support group are great
very satisfying, those.
and i love that like, he doesn't blame everything on his dad, he doesn't get super angry at the world, that's what a supervillain does. letting anger motivate you because the world shits on you
meanwhile the monarch is literally the guy that ruined the therapy session and killed the doctor.
You know what would be a fun arc for a future season? Gary getting a girlfriend. It would create tension with Malcolm, fearing he's losing his best friend and only henchman
I think the best testament to Rusty's character is that he earned the respect of Brock and that doesn't come easy
Brock has been there for rusty more than anyone really, the boys are just a few years old since they are clones and Jonas was barely actually in his life
Watching characters who are normally portrayed as losers become competent at their jobs is a compelling thing to see. It's why 21 is such a great character.
Well, it's nice to see a win once in a while
h-hot
is like my NTR hentais
wtf is this a new season? I don't remember this episode
From the movie, dummy.
I'm glad they made up by the end, but Dean more than earned that beating from the other Hanks
holy shit can't people enjoy things without being accused of self inserting
Now that the series is over I can confidently say there should have been an arc where Rusty learns where his passion is and makes a good living from that instead of trying to fill his father or his dead twin brother's shoes. Seeing Rusty fail and suffer with no point is wasted potential. The episode in the jungle and the teleporter episode were the low points in the series. Rusty is a genius and it's more fun to watch him superscience his way out of jams than be a helpless victim of circumstance.
Yeah
>Rodney killed a baby once
>it was a WEREWOLF!!!
>sure it was baby killer
>I SAVED YOUR LIFE!
Thank you Rodney!! Oh thank you so much for saving me from an attacking baby!
Every single thread without fail
>You once went weeks in your lab, all alone without sleep or food, trying desperately to isolate the gay gene! And I know you -- if it wasn't for all the protestors and hearings, you would have found it and destroyed it!
>your robot friend is beautiful
I just adore this line.