>I love how EU zealots act like the continuity prior to TCW was always airtight and not a complete mess.
The inconsistencies within the EU were very minuscule.
See 42:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxTGIY7n5TU
All Lucas is saying is that he wants to tell his own stories and not just build one the EU or whatever. You can try to pull out of context shit and whatever cope you wanna parrot from Disney shills on twitter, but it's still objectively untrue. So much so that George specially made covering the period around the Clone wars completely forbidden since he always wanted to make movies on that era after the first trilogy, not to mention Lucasfilm had several consultants and editors to make sure continuity and timeline were consistent among all works. The only exception was TCW since Dave would only do it if he had full creative rights, he doesn't even obey current Disney canon with his newer works despite all of it being equally canon.
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Disney decanonized the EU in 2014. How can something be decanonized if it was never canon?
It was only ever used for internal holocron database shit by Leland Chee. It was never - ever - an official thing. It was never used for production. It was never considered by anyone - ever. Canon was George Lucas' Star Wars. The rest, the licensing, was a parallel world. George Lucas' Star Wars was Star Trek TV, licensing was Star Trek EU. He is explicitly clear about that.
Instead of bringing the same shit every time why don't you explain why would George forbid EU creators from covering the Clone Wars until his Clone Wars movies, why would Lucasfilm spend a lot of money and resources to maintain and update and the EU, why they would deem all of their works as "non canon", even massive hits like the video games, when it is just beyond stupid financially and logically to do so, why would they do massive, multi-media projects like the Clone Wars multi-media project to tie in with the movies. You can go back to twitter already homosexual.
>why would George forbid EU creators from covering the Clone Wars until his Clone Wars movies
He didn't. Zahn did it anyway. > why would Lucasfilm spend a lot of money and resources to maintain and update and the EU
Source? Lmao, you overstate it. It was licensing, a part of the franchise that brought money. Why wouldn't they? > why they would deem all of their works as "non canon", even massive hits like the video games
They were never canon to begin with. They just went out and said it explicitly, instead of dancing between the raindrops like before. EU "canonicity" was always a marketing gimmick to make you believe all that moronic printed shit mattered, lmao. (it didn't). >why would they do massive, multi-media projects like the Clone Wars multi-media project
Money, moron. It's all merchandise. >You can go back to twitter already homosexual.
Never been there. Since you actively reference it so much, and apparently know so much of what's happening there, take your own advice, and go back, you frickign schizo, kek.
>George Lucas: Everybody said, “Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.” Well, that never happened. That’s just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other off, and there wasn’t anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he’s not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master. That’s why I call it a Rule of Two — there’s only two Sith Lords. There can’t be any more because they kill each other. They’re not smart enough to realize that if they do that, they’re going to wipe themselves out. Which is exactly what they did. In The Phantom Menace, Palpatine was the one Sith Lord that was left standing. And he went through a few apprentices before he was betrayed.
It was more of a discontinuation than decanonization. It was never canon to begin with. They just went out and wiped the slate clean for their own shit, so no one would get confused. Naturally, only Lucas' "Star Wars World" remained canon, which was the six films and Clone Wars. God damn, you are fricking moronic. Legit sub-80IQ mongrel.
No, this was peak kino to me growing up. Get home from soccer practice Friday night, drink some Mountain Dew voltage with my brother and play some halo before tuning in to see some clones brutally murdered every week.
A lot of zoomers grew up watching the prequels thinking they were the coolest thing ever, and then in our teens we got to enjoy some insane clone/Jedi Vietnam warkino.
Disney wars began with the sequels and their fault gave Filoni (PBUH) the reigns to take over Star Wars while simultaneously binding him down to clean up the mess of sequel canon.
Sounds to me like you only actually like the circumstances surrounding you getting to watch the show since you put emphasis on that first and elaborated on that more than describing what you like about the actual show.
That's Stockholm syndrome talking.
all of pop psychology (and most of psychology in general) is complete horseshit >stockholm syndrome >bystander effect >stanford prison experiment >the genius psychopath >gaslighting
>then in our teens we got to enjoy some insane clone/Jedi Vietnam warkino.
TCW is the kid-friendly version of that. Literally pic related. If you want the harder shit, then you'll have to go for the books and comics pre-TCW.
G.I. Joe does get pretty fricking dark at times, you do know that right? Like I think the last episode of season 1 was never released uncensored on home media because of how dark the ending was, with Shipwreck being forced to kill the synthoids who had been posing as his wife and child. Also the Krell/Umbara arc goes as hard as dark horse comics..
No one gives a shit about your fanfic books and comics. Star Wars is a film franchise first. Cinematic audio-visual experience. >Literally pic related.
Doubt that.
I watched seasons 1-5 on CN, I enjoyed it but dont like Ashoka wish she were white I'm just being a chud nitpicking that but yeah I enjoyed alot of the 3 episode arcs. The Force retconing sucked by I liked the old man grabbing Anakin's lightsaber with his bare hand
You're right but you'll never get the zoomers to admit it.
It's their weird golden cow that you're not allowed to criticize, though they'll turn around and recommend you skip like 40% of it, oddly enough.
>inorganically shoves in new girl main character that nobody wants that was clearly made so a minority demographic wouldn't feel left out >established characters constantly acting out of character >leaves continuity in shambles with constant, needless changes to long-established lore >often wastes potential >inserts random EU cameo that doesn't make sense >somehow Darth Maul returned >overly lighthearted and safe (boring) because """"Star Wars is for 12 year olds"""" >except when the tamest bit of violence ever happens just a bit off screen, then Star Wars is suddenly mature and for adults and srs bsns and not just for kids anymore MOM >bland and simple Saturday Morning cartoon writing with little nuance as to not confuse the "12 year olds." >they even have to spell out the moral or theme of the story before each episode >divides the fanbase between bad faith homosexuals and people that actually enjoy good Star Wars content >rabid zoomer fanbase that blindly defends this slop >spawns no good games or side material worth experiencing >makes Lego soulless
Sounds like Disney to me.
>sequelgays are now trying to give Disney credit for something that was actually good >the media in question is before Disney got their hands on the IP
FRICKEN K E K
>tcwgays coping so hard they think anyone that doesn't like their show and would label it "Disney" as a deragatory term is a mouseshill
Wew you are mindbroken, zoom zoom
This. You simply cannot say Disney had an influence on a franchise when they didn't own it.
All the horrific changes occured when Disney made their movies. You have to be a raging homosexual like op to think Disney wars started before The Force Awakens.
This. You simply cannot say Disney had an influence on a franchise when they didn't own it.
All the horrific changes occured when Disney made their movies. You have to be a raging homosexual like op to think Disney wars started before The Force Awakens.
Cope by Lucasgays who cannot criticize George Lucas in any way or the voodoo they're under will cause them immense pain.
>inorganically shoves in new girl main character that nobody wants that was clearly made so a minority demographic wouldn't feel left out >established characters constantly acting out of character >leaves continuity in shambles with constant, needless changes to long-established lore >often wastes potential >inserts random EU cameo that doesn't make sense >somehow Darth Maul returned >overly lighthearted and safe (boring) because """"Star Wars is for 12 year olds"""" >except when the tamest bit of violence ever happens just a bit off screen, then Star Wars is suddenly mature and for adults and srs bsns and not just for kids anymore MOM >bland and simple Saturday Morning cartoon writing with little nuance as to not confuse the "12 year olds." >they even have to spell out the moral or theme of the story before each episode >divides the fanbase between bad faith homosexuals and people that actually enjoy good Star Wars content >rabid zoomer fanbase that blindly defends this slop >spawns no good games or side material worth experiencing >makes Lego soulless
Sounds like Disney to me.
I love how EU zealots act like the continuity prior to TCW was always airtight and not a complete mess. TCW was Lucas' project at the end of the day and whatever he said goes. It was long acknowledged by most EU authors that their work was more or less licensed fanfic and most of them never got worked up over it being retconned.
Hell Filoni originally wanted to be careful not to contradict any of the EU until Lucas straight up told him that most of it, while great and enjoyable, didn't really matter and TCW was going to reach a vastly wider audience.
>I love how EU zealots act like the continuity prior to TCW was always airtight and not a complete mess. >act
It absolutely did have more cohesion before TCW. It wasn't perfect, true, but there were >TCW was Lucas' project at the end of the day and whatever he said goes.
Which is why it's awful and Filoni is a homosexual little lapdog that was happy to make things worse as long as George said it was okay because he's old and doesn't give a shit anymore.
It's true that there were attempts, but a lot of it really didn't make any sense.
>> Dark Horse Durge is a sadistic bastard who's practically invincible and loves to talk about how badass he is. >> Genndy Durge is a standard Samurai Jack villain who doesn't talk and is randomly an Akira reference who gets blown up from inside by Obi-Wan >> No, he's somehow alive and Anakin throws him into a sun.
>> R2 and 3PO first met shortly before the beginning of ANH, according to the old radio drama >> More or less totally thrown out by prequels, and even the Droids cartoon before that.
>> The kerfuffle with Boba's new origin in AOTC totally a good chunk about him.
>> No one was sure how long ago the clone wars were or how long they lasted prior to the prequels, so many EU works treated like they were decades ago and had lasted for decades.
>> Ewoks cartoon and movies portray Logray as a kind and wise shaman, roleplay books portray him as an evil bastard obsessed with ritual sacrifices
>> It's practically impossible to reconcile the Labyrinth of Evil novel with the micro-series.
End of the day, any massive franchise is going to have contradictions, especially when the creator isn't obsessively supervising every little detail. TCW was George's baby, and if they wanted to tell a story it'd be ridiculous to expect them to bow down for some novel or comic issue that at the very least 70% of the audience is never going to read. Same thing with Star Trek, where as far as Roddenberry was concerned none of the comics or novels really mattered to canon, only the live actions shows and films (and one episode of the animated series) were official canon to him.
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Anonymous
>> No, he's somehow alive and Anakin throws him into a sun.
They made it clear by the end of that episode that Durge wasn't dead.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Uh, did they? Obi-Wan picks up the mask and looks at it, while what remains of Durge is splattered all over the walls.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
?t=505 >ominous music as his juices slither away
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh okay, I never noticed that before. I did read that originally Genndy was going to only do 1 volume and end it with Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting a regenerated Durge before Lucas asked them to introduce Grievous, so the slime moving was probably going to foreshadow that.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>end it with Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting a regenerated Durge before Lucas asked them to introduce Grievous
I'm actually glad they didn't go with that since Grievous' introduction is one of the best things to come out of Star Wars.
They also had a whole comic line based off Genndy's show that featured Durge so I think that might also have had something to do with it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Clone Wars Adventures, yeah but Durge is only featured in two stories, maybe three. Those books are a mixed bag, there are some great stories in there to be sure (Pathways did Finn's arc far better than the Sequels did) to the point where they came off like stand alone issues of Republic that they didn't have room for, but a few felt kinda felt phoned in or intentionally over the top to fit in with Genndy's style, like the one with Yoda carrying a giant war machine on his back.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They also had a whole comic line based off Genndy's show that featured Durge so I think that might also have had something to do with it.
He and Ventress get their asses handed to them by Grievous.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm glad they did that, because Grievous' introduction and whole performance in Genndywars is pure fricking kino. His Labyrinth of Evil version is too, even if the events don't line up at all.
It's true that there were attempts, but a lot of it really didn't make any sense.
>> Dark Horse Durge is a sadistic bastard who's practically invincible and loves to talk about how badass he is. >> Genndy Durge is a standard Samurai Jack villain who doesn't talk and is randomly an Akira reference who gets blown up from inside by Obi-Wan >> No, he's somehow alive and Anakin throws him into a sun.
>> R2 and 3PO first met shortly before the beginning of ANH, according to the old radio drama >> More or less totally thrown out by prequels, and even the Droids cartoon before that.
>> The kerfuffle with Boba's new origin in AOTC totally a good chunk about him.
>> No one was sure how long ago the clone wars were or how long they lasted prior to the prequels, so many EU works treated like they were decades ago and had lasted for decades.
>> Ewoks cartoon and movies portray Logray as a kind and wise shaman, roleplay books portray him as an evil bastard obsessed with ritual sacrifices
>> It's practically impossible to reconcile the Labyrinth of Evil novel with the micro-series.
End of the day, any massive franchise is going to have contradictions, especially when the creator isn't obsessively supervising every little detail. TCW was George's baby, and if they wanted to tell a story it'd be ridiculous to expect them to bow down for some novel or comic issue that at the very least 70% of the audience is never going to read. Same thing with Star Trek, where as far as Roddenberry was concerned none of the comics or novels really mattered to canon, only the live actions shows and films (and one episode of the animated series) were official canon to him.
> "I remember saying to George I said, 'Well, you know, Anakin doesn't have a Padawan. Let's put it realistically here, I mean, you know, he says, 'Anakin Skywalker has a Padawan.' And then Henry Gilroy and I kind of look at each other like, 'Okay. Um. But, no. Anakin doesn't have a Padawan.' And he just kind of paused and looked at both of us, and then he said, 'Anakin has a Padawan.'“
Georgecanon is onlycanon.
Genndygays BTFO, Samurai Jack season 5 was shit and so was Unicorn Warriors Eternal.
Concession accepted!
It was essentially Lucas' idea, one of his plans for the sequels would be that Maul would rule over a vast criminal empire from the shadows and wanted to use TCW to bring back Maul, because Lucas did come to regret killing him off, plus it's not like there wasn't precedent for it with Darth Sion.
>their art
But it’s George’s art.
>DUDE IT GEORGES VISION AND HIS BABY TO DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH IT WHO CARES ITS A SHOW FOR KIDS WHY ARE YOU EVEN WATCHING IT >ratings immediately go up after george leaves
>inorganically shoves in new girl main character that nobody wants that was clearly made so a minority demographic wouldn't feel left out
And what demographic would that be, orange people? This is my first indicator that you’re underage to the point you weren’t allowed to watch TCW when it was airing >established characters constantly acting out of character
Not at all. In fact it gave a lot of characterization to the Jedi council, and the 501st. >leaves continuity in shambles with constant, needless changes to long-established lore
The only change that was shit was the father, son, and daughter. But that was Lucas’s idea, not Filoni’s. (You’re underage and probably aren’t aware of George’s involvement in TCW). And the Brain chip was a good change >often wastes potential
No, the clone’s arcs in the show are great. Especially Fives. >inserts random EU cameo that doesn't make sense
What are you referring to? Everything makes sense, not that I can think of any EU changes added into TCW. Rebels had that. >somehow Darth Maul returned
Kino, wasted potential anyways >overly lighthearted and safe (boring) because """"Star Wars is for 12 year olds""""
Literally quite the opposite. It was the darkest piece of Star Wars television/film media so far. Clones dying, Jedi dying, Jedi killing clones because they didn’t believe they were worth anything. Orange Jailbait gets sold into slavery and wears a skimpy outfit.
1/2
>1/2
Lemme save you the trouble from hurting your fingers. (Whoops, too late) You're unserious and more concerned about making gotchas so I shall not be reading further.
> "I remember saying to George I said, 'Well, you know, Anakin doesn't have a Padawan. Let's put it realistically here, I mean, you know, he says, 'Anakin Skywalker has a Padawan.' And then Henry Gilroy and I kind of look at each other like, 'Okay. Um. But, no. Anakin doesn't have a Padawan.' And he just kind of paused and looked at both of us, and then he said, 'Anakin has a Padawan.'“
Georgecanon is onlycanon.
Genndygays BTFO, Samurai Jack season 5 was shit and so was Unicorn Warriors Eternal.
The first half of Season 5 was kino, though weird that they pretended like Jack never killed anyone when he totally killed that Ninja and the bounty hunters in that one episode...unless Jack just never realized he killed them. Kinda lost steam when it became obvious they were rushing to a conclusion and they needed more episodes.
Wow sounds like Filoni and Gilroy are little betas that can't stand up for the integrity of their art.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Working on Star Wars was a dream job, would you really want to risk getting fired before it even begins? Lucas was determined to make Ahsoka Anakin's padawan to enrich his story and nothing they could say would have changed it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Working on Star Wars was a dream job, would you really want to risk getting fired before it even begins?
Yes, since I have my dignity. >Lucas was determined to make Ahsoka Anakin's padawan to enrich his story
And we can see now how that failed. Imagine a world where someone explained and got through to George why retroactively giving Anakin a Padawan after the PT was finished is a terrible idea, actually.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
A lot of people would disagree with you on that.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Then a lot of people are wrong and don't take their values seriously enough.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Um, how did it fail? Anakin's distrust of the Jedi Council seems way more justified in light of TCW.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because Ahsoka is a nothing character that does nothing.
Anakin already had legitimate reason for his disillusionment and distrust with the Jedi established with the PT, forcing Ahsoka into the mix doesn't actually add anything new other than he had this never-before-mentioned Padawan that just left, I guess. Didn't die, just left. And then continued to do nothing afterwards.
Nothing about her actually matters to the main narrative other than just being forced in to exist around these actually important characters to make it feel like she's important, too.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
A huge criticism of the prequels was that Anakin came off as whiny and had no real reason to resent them beyond his own pettiness, and a lot of people believe TCW helped enrich that character and helped make his betrayal and actions make more sense to them.
And I think you're being deliberately obtuse about Ahsoka. If she was a nothing character she wouldn't have such a big following.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If she was a nothing character she wouldn't have such a big following.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and had no real reason to resent them beyond his own pettiness,
That's literally the point. He's angry that he's still a padiwan after 10 years and got put in his place in front of his oneitis.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If she was a nothing character she wouldn't have such a big following.
You and I both know why she has a "big" following.
I've spent years in Star Wars threads around the site and I can damn well count on one hand how many times I've actually seen anybody discuss her as a character or plot element.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Anakin already had legitimate reason for his disillusionment and distrust with the Jedi established with the PT
I agree, if anything ashoka being forced in decreases his betrayal a little bit because his turning point is his fear of losing his wife and Yoda telling him "let her go lol you must" while palps gave him a way out. That compounding on his inferiority complex of being the chosen one and still not being recognized.
He shouldn't be going "Oh yeah and I'm still mad at them for not trusting my padiwan when all evidence pointed to her"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The show gave him other issues than just Ahsoka, like having Obi-Wan fake his death and not Anakin be in on the plan
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>like having Obi-Wan fake his death and not Anakin be in on the plan
Which was part of an episode that introduced new technology that completely breaks the setting and demolishes the "future" tech displayed in the OT.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Had Ahsoka died instead of just leaving, then it'd add to Anakin's desperation to save Padme. Doubly so if he had a vision of her death, but the future refused to change. Lucas originally wanted her to die pre-RotS.
Filoni was still generally careful in writing around Genndy Wars since Ventress was pre-established, they made up new Banking Clan characters and settings since San Hill was arrested at the Battle of Muunilinst in Genndy Wars, they refused to nerf Durge into a human for technical restraint reasons and just made a new character instead, and they never felt the need to retell the Battle of Coruscant and even referenced the "Shaak Ti's guarding the Chancellor" in the finale. The only thing that doesn't neatly fit nowadays is the Nelvaan adventure.
Isn't it kind of stupid that a 20 year old Padawan who fricked up his one mission by dragging a senator into a diplomatic crisis and then got himself completely BTFO against a Sith is not only immediately promoted to Knight but is also assigned a Padawan himself within a month?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>by dragging a senator into a diplomatic crisis
He didn't. Padme decided to go. He advised against it. In the end, he was there to protect her. So he had no choice but to go. >then got himself completely BTFO against a Sith
He held better than most of the Jedi. Obi-Wan got BTFO just as much, and Anakin held longer against him. And? >immediately promoted to Knight
Many masters were killed in the assault on Geonosis. They needed new Jedi Knights to compensate for that. Geonosis was their trial, and the times were desperate. >also assigned a Padawan himself within a month
He was a Jedi Knight. Jedi Knights get Padawans. More so, he was given one for a very specific reason by Yoda.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Padme decided to go.
AKA bullshit. >And?
He irrationally charged in and immediately ruined their chances of fighting him together, and still got fricked anyway afterwords. He deserved admonishment, not praise. >They needed new Jedi Knights to compensate for that
Nonsensical. There were over ten thousand Jedi at the time of the Clone Wars, and even Padawans could be field commanders. Since he was most often attached to Obi-wan anyway it was pointless. >More so, he was given one for a very specific reason by Yoda.
Oh yeah and that worked out did it? He was the same moron from episode 1 to the finale, only with slightly more reason to resent the Council. Anakin has almost zero character development in the whole show.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Did you ever consider the fact that there was a 3 year time skip between the end of AOTC and the beginning of ROTS?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes but TCW is like a month after AotC.
>AKA bullshit.
AKA concession accepted. >He irrationally charged in and immediately ruined their chances of fighting him together, and still got fricked anyway afterwords. He deserved admonishment, not praise.
He stood longer than his master. And he showed better skill than most of the Jedi. >afterwords
SIR, DO NOT REDEEM, DO NOT REDEEM! >Nonsensical. There were over ten thousand Jedi at the time of the Clone Wars, and even Padawans could be field commanders. Since he was most often attached to Obi-wan anyway it was pointless. >source: some moronic non-canon fanfiction sourcebook
I guess you forgot that AOTC stated that Mace and Yoda were gathering all the Jedi they had and went to Geonosis. Anakin was a Jedi Knight after AOTC, according to Lucas. Deal with it. It makes more sense than the EU garbage, where he was promoted 6 months before ROTS. It was pants on head moronic and made ANH even more moronic in retrospect. "I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father... (who was a Jedi Knight only for 6 months, and then he became Darth Vader). >Oh yeah and that worked out did it? He was the same moron from episode 1 to the finale, only with slightly more reason to resent the Council. Anakin has almost zero character development in the whole show.
Congratulations, you are a moron. Although that much was clear from your very first post. How embarrassing.
>AKA concession accepted
Anon in the movie she literally suggests it as a cheap technical excuse. As in "I know you want to go but can't so uh I'll go and you'll just have no choice but to follow me!" In reality he should have brought her back to Naboo, or more accurately never brought her to Tatooine to intercept the signal to begin with. >And he showed better skill than most of the Jedi.
And the Jedi are about power and skill over method and principle, are they? >I guess you forgot that AOTC stated that Mace and Yoda were gathering all the Jedi they had and went to Geonosis
Oh so there weren't thousands of Jedi left after Geonosis? So much for O66 then. >Congratulations, you are a moron. >no argument
Go on, tell me how he meaningfully developed from episode 1.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Go on, tell me how he meaningfully developed from episode 1.
The fact that he went from this sweet innocent kid who just wanted to help people to Darth fricking Vader.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Of the show eslgay.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>AKA bullshit.
AKA concession accepted. >He irrationally charged in and immediately ruined their chances of fighting him together, and still got fricked anyway afterwords. He deserved admonishment, not praise.
He stood longer than his master. And he showed better skill than most of the Jedi. >afterwords
SIR, DO NOT REDEEM, DO NOT REDEEM! >Nonsensical. There were over ten thousand Jedi at the time of the Clone Wars, and even Padawans could be field commanders. Since he was most often attached to Obi-wan anyway it was pointless. >source: some moronic non-canon fanfiction sourcebook
I guess you forgot that AOTC stated that Mace and Yoda were gathering all the Jedi they had and went to Geonosis. Anakin was a Jedi Knight after AOTC, according to Lucas. Deal with it. It makes more sense than the EU garbage, where he was promoted 6 months before ROTS. It was pants on head moronic and made ANH even more moronic in retrospect. "I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father... (who was a Jedi Knight only for 6 months, and then he became Darth Vader). >Oh yeah and that worked out did it? He was the same moron from episode 1 to the finale, only with slightly more reason to resent the Council. Anakin has almost zero character development in the whole show.
Congratulations, you are a moron. Although that much was clear from your very first post. How embarrassing.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Anakin was a Jedi Knight after AOTC, according to Lucas. Deal with it. It makes more sense than the EU garbage, where he was promoted 6 months before ROTS
Genndy Wars had him promoted early in the war as well. The next episode is a montage that goes over the next 2 years of the war, placing the previous episodes all within the war's first year.
If Anakin had a padawan why didn't she appear in Episode 3? Oh right, because she is a retcon.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cause she was no longer his padawan by the time of Ep III, moron. The movie was about Anakin shitting himself over the visions of his dying pregnant wife.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, it's because she didn't exist. Lucas created her after finishing the prequels. Ashoka wasn't even in the 2D Clone Wars show.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No, it's because she didn't exist. Lucas created her after finishing the prequels.
Yeah, no shit, moron. That's out-of-universe reason. The same reason why Qui-Gon Jinn was never mentioned in the OT, or anything from the PT, really, was mentioned there and at times outright contradicted, like Leia remembering her mother or Yoda being Obi-Wan's actual master, instead of Qui-Gon, who was only created for TPM, and even then, Obi-Wan was originally supposed to be alone and older in TPM, and later Lucas decided to make Obi-Wan younger and give him a master, because Jedi work in pairs, and thus Qui-Gon was created. >Ashoka wasn't even in the 2D Clone Wars show.
No shit, moron. 2D Clone Wars show was never canon and Lucas had nothing to do with its story - which he had said many times. It was just an experiment they outsourced to CartoonNetwork. Lucas had already created Ahsoka, however, before Revenge of the Sith even hit the theaters.
>and the 501st
Wasn't necessary. AotC established that the grunts are basically fleshy drones. They had their independence bred out of them. It's the Commandos that have actual independence and are basically Jango Replicas.
>AotC established that the grunts are basically fleshy drones.
George Lucas established that clones are people and individuals. > It's the Commandos that have actual independence and are basically Jango Replicas.
Karen Traviss fanfiction. Lol, lmao even. Imagine bringing that up like it's relevant with a straight fricking face, hahaha.
>George Lucas established that clones are people and individuals.
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4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's no use arguing with the Filonigay
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Anonymous
>GEORGE LUCAS: The Jedi won't lead droids. Their whole basis is connecting with the life force. They'd just say, 'That's not the way we operate. We don't function with nonlife-forms." So if there is to be a Republic army, it would have to be an army of humans.
>“Even though they’re clones, clones are people,” Lucas emphasized. “Everybody starts out the same, but in time, as they grow up, they change.”
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>Lucas: Yeah, now we get introduced to the clones, which we didn't get in the movies. Now, they're like main characters and they really are central to the whole thing, and you can identify them and know who they are, and it's sort of like "Band of Brothers" only with Jedi. (laughs)
>During development, Lucas was adamant that the clone troopers in the Grand Army of the Republic showcase unique personalities, haircuts, and even personalized armor.
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>Everybody starts out the same, but in time, as they grow up, they change
But that doesn't work here. The Clones came from the exact same man, cloned the exact same way and raised in the exact same conditions. There should not be any significant differences between them. They're all Jango. And considering AotC, the grunts are all lobotomized Jangos, with the Commandos and ARC Troopers being regular Jango clones.
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>But that doesn't work here.
Yes, it does. Millions of random factors, random chemical factors, their personal experience and consciousness shape their personalities. Their baseline genetic makeup is only that - baseline genetic makeup. They each have unique consciousness and unique signature in the Force. They are not fricking droids connected to a singular computer. God, you are moronic. No wonder, though, you are a EUgay. >Commandos and ARC Troopers being regular Jango clones.
EU fanfiction. Even worse, Karen Traviss' fanfiction.
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Personality traits are genetic. It's why certain people turn out like buttholes no matter how they're raised. Rottenness is hereditary.
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The Clones were humanized because it's a kid's show. The result made that way too obvious. Really cringey.
>shitty console shovelware that was not even good when it released >the only reason commandos are canon to begin with is because Dave Filoni is a pathetic EUgay fanboy and he personally put them in the show
Yikes.
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>canon
do star wars fans really? this isn't the catholic church lmao. The republic commandos were "canon" since 2005.
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You can make your own canon. Think for yourself and do your own thing. Like what you like and choose.
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moron
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You know what's canon in real life?
You are going to die alone surrounded by all your Disney merchandise
>And what demographic would that be, orange people? This is my first indicator that you’re underage to the point you weren’t allowed to watch TCW when it was airing
I was an adult when Clone Wars aired. It sucked.
>inorganically shoves in new girl main character that nobody wants that was clearly made so a minority demographic wouldn't feel left out
And what demographic would that be, orange people? This is my first indicator that you’re underage to the point you weren’t allowed to watch TCW when it was airing >established characters constantly acting out of character
Not at all. In fact it gave a lot of characterization to the Jedi council, and the 501st. >leaves continuity in shambles with constant, needless changes to long-established lore
The only change that was shit was the father, son, and daughter. But that was Lucas’s idea, not Filoni’s. (You’re underage and probably aren’t aware of George’s involvement in TCW). And the Brain chip was a good change >often wastes potential
No, the clone’s arcs in the show are great. Especially Fives. >inserts random EU cameo that doesn't make sense
What are you referring to? Everything makes sense, not that I can think of any EU changes added into TCW. Rebels had that. >somehow Darth Maul returned
Kino, wasted potential anyways >overly lighthearted and safe (boring) because """"Star Wars is for 12 year olds""""
Literally quite the opposite. It was the darkest piece of Star Wars television/film media so far. Clones dying, Jedi dying, Jedi killing clones because they didn’t believe they were worth anything. Orange Jailbait gets sold into slavery and wears a skimpy outfit.
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>except when the tamest bit of violence ever happens just a bit off screen, then Star Wars is suddenly mature and for adults and srs bsns and not just for kids anymore MOM
It didn’t have any implied off screen violence >bland and simple Saturday Morning cartoon writing with little nuance as to not confuse the "12 year olds."
It’s Star Wars, not the Wire. They did what they could with 22 minute episodes, and they did it well. But this complaint is subjective. >they even have to spell out the moral or theme of the story before each episode
Fortune cookie opens were kino >divides the fanbase between bad faith homosexuals and people that actually enjoy good Star Wars content
No, it didn’t. There were no bad faith clone wars fans you gen alpha Black person >rabid zoomer fanbase that blindly defends this slop
You must be even younger, since you can’t recall what actually happened at the time it aired. >spawns no good games or side material worth experiencing
Media should not be judged by it’s spin-offs. Except the spinoffs it caused, Mandalorian and Rebels, are quite good. >makes Lego soulless
Lego Star Wars was always a failure and Bionicle is what saved Lego in their time of need.
>rabid zoomer fanbase that blindly defends this slop
I genuinely do not get why this is a thing for this show specifically. You can see it in this very thread.
It was essentially Lucas' idea, one of his plans for the sequels would be that Maul would rule over a vast criminal empire from the shadows and wanted to use TCW to bring back Maul, because Lucas did come to regret killing him off, plus it's not like there wasn't precedent for it with Darth Sion.
Sion surviving like that is supposed to be an accident because of the mass shadow generator and it turned him into a freak that has to rely on anger to literally keep himself together. That makes sense.
Maul surviving being cut in half, falling a mile down a big pipe and turning into a weird trash spider doesn't make much sense at all. It's not like George really cared about it in the end since he sold before he actually did any of the shit with Maul that he had years to do.
the maul revival was originally supposed to be in revenge of the sith but never made it. one of the concept artists made a story that shows old ben killing maul years later like in the gay kids show, but less gay
>inorganically shoves in new girl main character that nobody wants that was clearly made so a minority demographic wouldn't feel left out
She's the audience surrogate IE the kid sidekick character you see a lot in movies. She's the Shortround to Anakin's Indiana.
No, this was peak kino to me growing up. Get home from soccer practice Friday night, drink some Mountain Dew voltage with my brother and play some halo before tuning in to see some clones brutally murdered every week.
A lot of zoomers grew up watching the prequels thinking they were the coolest thing ever, and then in our teens we got to enjoy some insane clone/Jedi Vietnam warkino.
Disney wars began with the sequels and their fault gave Filoni (PBUH) the reigns to take over Star Wars while simultaneously binding him down to clean up the mess of sequel canon.
You can make something for young people and not Disneyfy it, Lucas probably said that to win over investors.
Take Tolkien for instance, he said the Hobbit was written for children and LotR for young people, and yet he disliked Disney's style of film-making.
The Disney style is very obnoxious, in-your-face, somewhat feminine style meant for musicals, and will water down violence to appeal to California moms, their primary audience. It has a very "movie magic", "the show must go on", "it's a small world after all" type of feel that appeals to women and nu males.
In a weird way Droids was kind of a prototype for how TCW would do four episode story arcs. Also I can't believe no one ever called Abrams out for ripping off Kybo Ren's name for his Darth Caedus knockoff.
The ewoks and droid shows irritated me as a kid
As a child I liked Star Wars for the battles and spaceships
I just wanted more of that instead
I always fast-forwarded through the ewok shit in episode 6
Luckily the video games of the time were able to be good
So I guess Alpha in the Dark Horse comics was a mistake too? Hell, even Dark Lord, the Rise of Darth Vader showed Clones who were baffled by the order and refused to do it without a damn good reason, so it makes sense why Palpatine, who wants as many Jedi taken killed unawares as possible, to suddenly be killed by people they trust without those people having second thoughts or hesitating.
Speaking of, I wonder if any of the writers at Dark Horse even said what happened to Alpha or if Ventress just killed him off panel.
Alpha is an ARC which were established before TCW to be made specifically to be different from regular clones, same with how the higher ranking clones and commandos were made to have more independence.
I much prefer the idea of them just being mindless murder machines. It really drives home that, despite all the Republics grandstanding over the CIS and muh mindless droids, they had the same fricking thing. And they ate shit in the end because of it.
While that is true, I personally don't think Palpatine would be willing to risk the clones questioning an order they were potentially uncomfortable with, especially since TCW developed the clones a lot more than most of the other EU did. It adds more to how much of an evil bastard Palpatine is.
The manchild fanbase couldn't cope with the Clones being emotionless murder machines that have been conditioned since birth to be loyal to Palpatine.
Another reason why giving them personality was a massive mistake
>fight and die alongside people for years >get told to kill them >mindless do it
that was moronic, the chip makes it make sense. Cope, and mald gramps.
Chancellor is not a "Lord", dumbtard. Was never called that once in the films or TCW. Only the Sith are called "Lords." That was very deliberate on Lucas' part.
Clones were brainwashed to follow Darth Sidious' commands, not the Chancellor, who could have been changed. >"Karen Traviss, she didn't get everything right. It is very clear if you watch Revenge of the Sith, that it [Order 66] is not an order on the books. And it's simple from this one detail, that Karen Traviss ignored, but the detail is when Sidious shows up as a hologram and says, 'Execute Order 66,' the clones say, 'It will be done, my lord.' Not 'yes, sir,' not 'yes, chancellor.' 'It will be done, my lord.' The brain washing kicks in the moment they hear the words 'Order 66,' and they look at that hologram and they see god. They see the man responsible for their creation, Darth Sidious, and that's what it is. Commander Cody has never seen a Sith Lord. If you are going to take Lucas and Filoni to task for changing the Mandalorians, you have to take Karen Traviss to task for changing one of the most key plot points of the entire saga."—Sam Witwer, The Voice Of The Republic Podcast Episode 17, Jan 26, 2013
Clones are programmed. Lucas said it himself:
https://www.ign.com/videos/lucas-talks-clone-wars-season-3
Timestamp: 3:35
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That was poorly conveyed in the movie. We don't see any "activation" in Cody's demeanor
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We do. By him robotically saying "Yes, my lord" (like all the clone troopers, brainwashing kicking in) and immediately fricking up Obi-Wan without a moment's hesitation just after giving him back his lightsaber and displaying genuine comradery. Cody pre-Order 66 is humanized, friendly, and upbeat. He is showed without his helmet to highlight his humanity. Cody after receiving Order 66 is robotic and angry, never takes off his helmet. It's relatively subtle. Guess too subtle for some people watching Star Wars.
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Lucas is not known for subtlety
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No matter.
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Order 66 is still a clearly underdeveloped and lazy plot device
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I disagree with you big time! Thank god order 66 exist in Star Wars.
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>Cody after receiving Order 66 is robotic and angry, never takes off his helmet.
He's on screen for five seconds after the order.
I didn't hate it despite later finding out it steamrolled over the EU Clone Wars MMP. I'm a Millennial so I didn't grow up watching it but I marathoned it before it got taken off Netflix and ended up enjoying most of it. For a kid's show its actually pretty good despite some stupid decisions like the brain chip and making Mandalorians pacifists.
I read that Lucas genuinely disliked her books and her glorification of the Mandalorians and that even some of the other authors like Denning complained about her. Like in the whole Legacy of the Force series, isn't there a book where Jaina spends her time with Mandalorians to become stronger and shills how awesome they are, and then in the next book she goes "Well that was a waste of time."
>Like in the whole Legacy of the Force series, isn't there a book where Jaina spends her time with Mandalorians to become stronger and shills how awesome they are, and then in the next book she goes "Well that was a waste of time."
Pretty much yeah. LOTF was just a mess from top to bottom honestly and I'm still mad they did my boy Jacen dirty.
for me TCW is not really the problem, it's the fans. They think the show is so violent and gruesome, it's really silly. As if they need a justification for enjoying childrens cartoons.
Ahsoka was obviously designed by Lucas to create a sexual awakening for the zoomies. It's famous knowledge that he is the one that demanded the skimpy outfit.
My own recollection of 2008 TCW is that I felt too old for Star Wars at that point. I was 13 and felt second hand embarassment at the theatre. Revenge of the Sith felt like it was 30 years ago, instead of 3. It was weird. When I watched the full TCW series years later in 2014, I didn't mind it as it's own experiment, but it does feel entirely divorced form the movies. It didn't have the advantage of the Republic comics and their realistic art style (which Lucas was known to be a fan of).
>They think the show is so violent and gruesome, it's really silly. As if they need a justification for enjoying childrens cartoons.
Yeah some of them really overstate how "mature" it is.
Like they make out the Banking episode is really good and deep when its the most surface level thing imaginable and hits you over the head with the message with zero subtlety. Which is fine because its a show for kids but don't try to make out it's more than that.
Name one show that aired on Cartoon Network that was more violent and had more on screen deaths. At least half a dozen episodes TCW got censored in reruns due to how violent they were.
Some of the shows on Cartoon Network were violently obnoxious. Does that kind of violence count? When something is an assault on the senses? The only true gruesome scene in the entire star wars franchise is Anakin burning on Mustafar tbqh. It's just not a very violent franchise, and that's fine. I think Happy Tree Friends is an example of a disturbing violent cartoon.
I think you might be approaching it from the pov of someone desensitized to violence through other media, but for the kids who grew up watching TCW or older kids, they never saw another American cartoon with that level of violence.
>> Kalifa's death >> Riff Tamson's exploding daggers >> Savage being brainwashed into a brute and then made to kill his brother, who he no longer remembers because of what the witches did to him >> The slave arc >> The Geonosian brain worms
Like it's a far cry from Spider-Man TAS where Spidey wasn't allowed to punch criminals (not hating, love that show but the censors were being real buttholes to it) or Batman TAS where they weren't even allowed to show breaking glass or vampires (because no child can ever find out what a vampire is)
>Ahsoka was obviously designed by Lucas to create a sexual awakening for the zoomies. It's famous knowledge that he is the one that demanded the skimpy outfit.
She has a stick body. Not the shapely figure she had S3+.
Just being honest, I never cared for this animation style and could never get myself to watch it. I remember when this premiered with a special or a movie or something like that and I couldn’t get on board with the idea of retconning the story so Anakin had an apprentice no one ever heard of before. It’s like they were solely trying to get the new generation of kids to give a shit and didn’t care about the older ones
TCW is a primo example of the target demographic shift of Star Wars. >OT: mid-late teens >PT: 12-14 >TCW: 10-12 >Disneycore: 8-10
Every installment they try to expand the audience by dumbing down the content, but all that does is limit the viewership to middle-aged nostalgia addicts.
If you thought the OT was meant for older teens, your delusional, the droids, ewoks, and even the romance between Han and Leia were all written for younger kids. They ran ads for Star Wars pajamas when the first movies came out.
The point is it didn't have exclusionary appeal. The Ewoks were the first big sign of the target shifting to younger kids. In ANH you have Owen and Beru's charred meat-dangling skeletons on screen within the first hour. And for mascot characters 3P0 and R2 weren't obtrusive and obnoxious.
It managed to be both childish and mature at once. Go look back at footage and pictures of showings, 90% of the audience are full grown adults.
>In ANH you have Owen and Beru's charred meat-dangling skeletons on screen within the first hour.
You could barely see that. It was there for one second. Is violence, a couple of skeletons, really your argument for being mature? Then you will have to admit the same for TCW and the prequels. TCW had a slave who decides to commit suicide after she failed to assassinate her slave master and was then threatened to undergo further "processing", and she instead decided to kill herself. TCW had a 14 year old girl killed on screen, a shot piercing her lungs, and she was shown dying, grasping for air. TCW had a terrorist who had just bombed a square full of people killing himself instead of surrendering to the authorities.
But I feel like you won't do that. Star Wars was always a PG franchise, edging on PG-13. OT included. ANH included. George had said that with ANH, he was making a fairy tale for young children. ANH was explicitly created for children, and it was stated back in 1977 many, many times.
Pretty much, and keep in mind that when Lucas says Fairy Tale, he means in the sense of both wonderful enchanting fantasy yet also randomly dark and scary at the same time.
You're confusing conceptually dark things with something that is actually considered inappropriate for children. For example despite everything you just listed, TCW never so much as pulls a RotS and shows Anakin in bed with his wife.
But that's not the issue. The problem is it's childish in the ways that actually matter. Some YA edge doesn't change the fact that arcs are paced out to hell, and usually unbelievably hamfisted with some blanket moral lesson like "OMG did you know le banks and le government are bad?" Or "Look at this guy who shoots lightning from his fingers betray his allies, isn't that just so EEEEVIL?" And every conflict is always resolved in the most straightforward way possible.
>TCW never so much as pulls a RotS and shows Anakin in bed with his wife.
TCW literally had an entire arc centered around Anakin's fricking jealousy and him beating Padme's ex in front of her and telling her that she doesn't have a say in this. It had entire arcs centered around their fundamentally toxic, possessive relationship that would not in any way be relatable to fricking kids, lol. Holy frick, you are so disingenuous and moronic, it's hilarious, lmao.
OT also had no people in bed with each other, so, according to your logic, it's childish then. >Some YA edge
Wait, like a bunch of skeletons that are on the screen for a literal second of screen time? kek >and usually unbelievably hamfisted with some blanket moral lesson like "OMG did you know le banks and le government are bad?" Or "Look at this guy who shoots lightning from his fingers betray his allies, isn't that just so EEEEVIL?" And every conflict is always resolved in the most straightforward way possible.
Wow, you mean, like Star Wars? Holy shit!
God damn, you are so moronic. The worst part, you are not even trolling. You are completely serious, and you genuinely believe in your righteousness.
>Seven seasons and only a couple of good ground battles and zero good space battles
Pathetic
No hailfire droids, SPHA-Ts, Durge, or Republic fighter tanks either
>No hailfire droids
Were slated to appear in the Dark Disciple arc. >SPHA-Ts
Appeared in the Zillo Beast arc. >Durge
Good. That shit was completely moronic in concept, ugly in design garbage. Peak Genndyshit cringe that does not belong in Star Wars. >Republic fighter tanks
Never appeared in the movies, ergo they don't exist.
Filoni is a moronic EUgay fanboy and he tried to appease your pathetic ilk, lol. Good thing Lucas could steer the ship in the right direction and reject Filoni's initial pitch for Clone Wars, which was just Rebels that Filoni did later anyway.
>no taste >DOOOOOOOOOOOOD LE IMMORTAL TENTACLE GOO MONSTER THAT HAS TO BE LITERALLY THROWN INTO THE SUN! >DOOOOD LOOK AT THIS DESIGN!
hahahaha
Are you mexican? Only moronic hispanics like that shit.
That's not fun. That's tasteless and moronic. That can be only fun if you are 4 or non-white, or a literal drooling moron that claps at flashy lights. People above the age of four require something better to activate their neurons.
Only reason why he was gonna be human was because they didn't have the budget or tech to properly animate Durge. So they scrapped everything and created Cad Bane instead.
Everything George said is canon even if it's fricking stupid. This includes stupid shit like Ahsoka and whatever other stupid gay bullshit was in that show. Even back in the EU days G-canon was immediately taken as the final word, even if they had to retcon arguably far better material about it. George should always get final word on his own creation.
well the show he created was better received when he was no longer involved so what does that say? the TCW movie is the worst rated star wars project to date. dude also made red tails and indy 4, but people choose to ignore them too.
he became washed up, but its not like his work was flawless either. there were plenty of side stories written during the prequels that improved the movie experience or were just flat out better.
It's still his creation and always will be until the day he drops dead and it was also his to sell and will have been until 75 years after he is dead and it goes public domain. IMO George deserves to be given the final say about things simply for that reason. Lots of creators frick up their own shit in monumental, at times almost unbelievable ways.
>well the show he created was better received when he was no longer involved
Why are you lying? >the TCW movie is the worst rated star wars project to date.
TCW movie is miles better than anything made by Disney. The vertical battle of Teth is more interesting and creative than anything made by Disney. >dude also made red tails and indy 4
Indy 4 was fine. He was not involved with Red Tails all that much outside of the initial story idea and producing it. He was not even directly doing the reshoots. Check at least on Wikipedia.
Basically yes. Dave had the rights to retcon everything he wanted, which he made sure to do on a consistent basis. But for some reason morons, specially wikigays still try to lump seasons 1-6 alongside the Old EU despite it creating a completely incoherent, devoid of cause and effect timeline. One of the worst cases that comes up at the top of my head is about Barris Offee. In the EU she was about Anakin's age and became a Knight during the war like him and died in Order 66 like other Jedi, but in TCW she was de-aged significantly to be about as old as Ashoka and a padawan for all of her time and a Jedi, and then there was what happened to her in Season 5. The morons at wiki have to pretend nothing happened to her after she was arrested and can't ever give a reason how she rejoined the order.
All Lucas is saying is that he wants to tell his own stories and not just build one the EU or whatever. You can try to pull out of context shit and whatever cope you wanna parrot from Disney shills on twitter, but it's still objectively untrue. So much so that George specially made covering the period around the Clone wars completely forbidden since he always wanted to make movies on that era after the first trilogy, not to mention Lucasfilm had several consultants and editors to make sure continuity and timeline were consistent among all works. The only exception was TCW since Dave would only do it if he had full creative rights, he doesn't even obey current Disney canon with his newer works despite all of it being equally canon.
>The only exception was TCW since Dave would only do it if he had full creative rights, he doesn't even obey current Disney canon with his newer works despite all of it being equally canon.
lmao, lying EUtroon, as usual
Post proof to any of the shit you spew out, you pathetic Black person, lol.
Every "retcon" (can't be a retcon, since the EU was never canon to begin with) came from George. Ahsoka, Mandalorians, clones - you name it. Not from Dave boogeyman.
>"I am the father of our Star Wars movie world - the filmed entertainment, the features and now [The Clone Wars] animated film and television series,” he says. “And I’m going to do a live-action television series. Those are all things I am very involved in: I set them up and I train the people and I go through them all. I’m the father; that’s my work. Then we have the licensing group, which does the games, toys and books, and all that other stuff. I call that the son - and the son does pretty much what he wants.” He laughs. “Once in a while, they ask a question like ‘Can we kill off Yoda?’, things like that, but it’s very loose. Then we have the third group, the holy ghost, which is the bloggers and fans. They have created their own world. I worry about the father’s world. The son and holy ghost can go their own way."—George Lucas: Mr Emperor strikes back
>George Lucas: Everybody said, “Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.” Well, that never happened. That’s just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other off, and there wasn’t anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he’s not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master. That’s why I call it a Rule of Two — there’s only two Sith Lords. There can’t be any more because they kill each other. They’re not smart enough to realize that if they do that, they’re going to wipe themselves out. Which is exactly what they did. In The Phantom Menace, Palpatine was the one Sith Lord that was left standing. And he went through a few apprentices before he was betrayed.
>“I’ve left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That’s because there isn’t any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married…” — George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007
>“George couldn’t stand Mara Jade. They went out and got some sort of person who looked like she had stepped out of a Cosmopolitan magazine to be the model for Mara, and he just thought the whole thing was so not Star Wars, and not his vision for Star Wars. […] And also she married Luke, and he says ‘Jedi don’t marry.’ So for him, that was important.” — J.W. Rinzler, former non-fiction author and editor of Lucas Licensing
>“So the issue of love, there’s a line between loving somebody compassionately and caring about them and helping them. But the other line is not to be greedy or once you are greedy then you get fearful. You don’t want to lose what it is you have that you are getting. So you have to learn to give up everything. And ultimately for a Jedi Knight, it’s very easy to give up. One of the things they give up is marriage. They can still love people. But they can’t possess them. They can’t own them. They can’t demand that they do things. They have to be able to accept the fact, one, their mortality, that they are going to die. And not worry about it. That the loved ones they have, everything they love is going to die and they can’t do anything about it.” — George Lucas
sure, but that results in too little content for her
having her be alive allows more exploration of her changed character and semi-unique perspective on things
how often do you see an actual "grey" force user that isnt just a jedi but not really?
sure, but that results in too little content for her
having her be alive allows more exploration of her changed character and semi-unique perspective on things
how often do you see an actual "grey" force user that isnt just a jedi but not really?
>only in 14 episodes of TCW >2 of which are single scenes only >still has one of the better character arcs in the entire show
its time to admit that asajj ventress was one of the best characters
>ventresstroon is here
Jesus. How I yearn for the day you have a nice day.
just a reminder that this guy is an obsessed homosexual who follows him wherever he goes on every single board, and non stop b***hes about everything to the point where several anons got pissed off at him
he also >constantly b***hed about clone commandos >constantly complained that scorch in bad batch "wasnt scorch because nobody said his name" (only for the bery next episode to namedrop him) >constantly complains that the bad batch "dont shoot anyone" and was promptly BTFO to where he had to move the goalposts >only starting b***hing about bad batch as soon as he realised someone he disliked was liking the show
wow, a single man's shitposting crusade lasting years that is filled with nothing but ugly, spiteful rhetoric that continues with the stunning result of nothing gained and all the time lost. what a legacy.
George Lucas is a moron and holds more personal responsability for the state of the world than any politician, banker, or oligarch. He taught generations of children all the worst lessons you could possibly teach them - To judge things on base emotional impression, to villify the idea of one's own desires and ego, to simultaniously rebel and simp for authority based on team colors, to think of the world and one's percieved opponents in blanket, absolutist strawman terms, and so much worse besides. He's nothing but an entitled yuppie sellout trying to pretend at being an auteur while doing nothing but sucking up to the system and rolling in all the money he stole from children and parents in exchange for mountains of plastic crap rotting in the ocean.
easily one of the worst seasons, only the bad batch arc was "good" because it felt like classic clone wars content (even if it was a pilot)
the muttalo sisters were a waste of time and the siege of mandalore was just rebels season 0.5 thats overrated as frick
>no delegation of 2000 or later on when Padme tells Bail Organa to just approve the Emperor to protect the other senators. >nothing about the siege of Coruscant giving Palpatine even more authority >no cato neimoidia >no windu, yoda, and kenobi "sith within Palpatine inner circle" discussion >we don't see windu telling kenobi to lie to anakin >we don't see Kenobi telling Pamde that he "knew" about her and anakin >no outer rim sieges >we don't see Bail Organa, yoda, and kenobi planning for the next 20 years.
I feel like siege of Mandalore just shit on the established characters, like why would Ahsoka let Maul out and then also say im not rooting for you, it comes across as very dark sidey instead of Ahsoka going oh well you were right and tried to warn me now im going to listen to you, see the problem is that they already wrote the conflict in rebels so they cant retroactively go back so Ahsoka's character has the match what she was doing in the future which makes no fricking sense.
Then also Ahsoka has some big problem with killing clones while in previous seasons she killed real people without hesitation. Basically Disney Star wars is disjointed emotional drivel with high production values which makes ultimately no sense.
The original ending of Clone Wars is much better than what Disney made with hurrr muh Darth Vader shows up and funky sound track which never happens in the rest of the show. Its supposed to be stylistic but is ultimately meaningless.
Disney is utterly incapable of producing anything good, they just twist existing things to suit their social engineering objectives and they feel they have every right to because they stole it from Lucas.
Holy frick, you are moronic. It's unbelievable, actually. I just lost hope in humanity ever so more after reading this. How can one be filtered that much by a fricking star wars cartoon? Fricking puzzling.
No, frick you and die of cancer asap.
Haha haha
Feloni held no regard to EU continuity making a bunch of retcons. He's no different from the writers at Disney.
EU was never canon.
See:
EUshit was never canon.
Who gives a shit? Again, make your own canon. Don't be a zealot who tries abide by shit made by others. Make your own choice.
Tell that to EUtroons, who are hellbent on insisting it was ever canon, lol.
>Hmm yes, look at all these out of context quotes that don't mean jackshit
look up the hierarchy of Star Wars canon
It was only ever used for internal holocron database shit by Leland Chee. It was never - ever - an official thing. It was never used for production. It was never considered by anyone - ever. Canon was George Lucas' Star Wars. The rest, the licensing, was a parallel world. George Lucas' Star Wars was Star Trek TV, licensing was Star Trek EU. He is explicitly clear about that.
Instead of bringing the same shit every time why don't you explain why would George forbid EU creators from covering the Clone Wars until his Clone Wars movies, why would Lucasfilm spend a lot of money and resources to maintain and update and the EU, why they would deem all of their works as "non canon", even massive hits like the video games, when it is just beyond stupid financially and logically to do so, why would they do massive, multi-media projects like the Clone Wars multi-media project to tie in with the movies. You can go back to twitter already homosexual.
>why would George forbid EU creators from covering the Clone Wars until his Clone Wars movies
He didn't. Zahn did it anyway.
> why would Lucasfilm spend a lot of money and resources to maintain and update and the EU
Source? Lmao, you overstate it. It was licensing, a part of the franchise that brought money. Why wouldn't they?
> why they would deem all of their works as "non canon", even massive hits like the video games
They were never canon to begin with. They just went out and said it explicitly, instead of dancing between the raindrops like before. EU "canonicity" was always a marketing gimmick to make you believe all that moronic printed shit mattered, lmao. (it didn't).
>why would they do massive, multi-media projects like the Clone Wars multi-media project
Money, moron. It's all merchandise.
>You can go back to twitter already homosexual.
Never been there. Since you actively reference it so much, and apparently know so much of what's happening there, take your own advice, and go back, you frickign schizo, kek.
Mind broken disney troon kek.
So non canon that it had to be publicly decanonized, huh?
It was more of a discontinuation than decanonization. It was never canon to begin with. They just went out and wiped the slate clean for their own shit, so no one would get confused. Naturally, only Lucas' "Star Wars World" remained canon, which was the six films and Clone Wars. God damn, you are fricking moronic. Legit sub-80IQ mongrel.
You just can't accept it was widely accepted as part of the mythos. I pity you.
Some people widely accept that the Earth is flat. Some people are just moronic and believe all kinds of nonsense. That happens.
No, this was peak kino to me growing up. Get home from soccer practice Friday night, drink some Mountain Dew voltage with my brother and play some halo before tuning in to see some clones brutally murdered every week.
A lot of zoomers grew up watching the prequels thinking they were the coolest thing ever, and then in our teens we got to enjoy some insane clone/Jedi Vietnam warkino.
Disney wars began with the sequels and their fault gave Filoni (PBUH) the reigns to take over Star Wars while simultaneously binding him down to clean up the mess of sequel canon.
Sounds to me like you only actually like the circumstances surrounding you getting to watch the show since you put emphasis on that first and elaborated on that more than describing what you like about the actual show.
That's Stockholm syndrome talking.
we live in a republic.
Not any more, we live in an Empire.
>Stockholm syndrome
did dave filoni kidnap anon, which lead to him bonding with filoni?
Stockholm syndrome was just something the cops made up to cope with the idea that hostages were afraid of accidentally getting shot by them.
all of pop psychology (and most of psychology in general) is complete horseshit
>stockholm syndrome
>bystander effect
>stanford prison experiment
>the genius psychopath
>gaslighting
>then in our teens we got to enjoy some insane clone/Jedi Vietnam warkino.
TCW is the kid-friendly version of that. Literally pic related. If you want the harder shit, then you'll have to go for the books and comics pre-TCW.
G.I. Joe does get pretty fricking dark at times, you do know that right? Like I think the last episode of season 1 was never released uncensored on home media because of how dark the ending was, with Shipwreck being forced to kill the synthoids who had been posing as his wife and child. Also the Krell/Umbara arc goes as hard as dark horse comics..
No one gives a shit about your fanfic books and comics. Star Wars is a film franchise first. Cinematic audio-visual experience.
>Literally pic related.
Doubt that.
You are the zoomer
Reminder that the sequels were tailor made for OTgays who'd spent the last 15 years crying over kid Vader
Yeah.. if I recall correctly, didn’t RLM say that JJ Abrahams should direct a Star Wars movie? OTgays are entirely to blame for the sequel trilogy
>and then in our teens we got to enjoy some insane clone/Jedi Vietnam warkino.
Clone Wars was made for 7 years olds.
Not true. For 12+ years old.
no way, it has too much torture and suicide for that
>Filoni (PBUH)
You need to be castrated.
You need to be tortured, raped and killed for good.
I watched seasons 1-5 on CN, I enjoyed it but dont like Ashoka wish she were white I'm just being a chud nitpicking that but yeah I enjoyed alot of the 3 episode arcs. The Force retconing sucked by I liked the old man grabbing Anakin's lightsaber with his bare hand
You're right but you'll never get the zoomers to admit it.
It's their weird golden cow that you're not allowed to criticize, though they'll turn around and recommend you skip like 40% of it, oddly enough.
Like OP, you are a moron and deserve to die of cancer right now.
>wishing death on people that don't like your crappy cartoon
Brown behavior.
t. inbred racist cumskin incel
>sequelgays are now trying to give Disney credit for something that was actually good
>the media in question is before Disney got their hands on the IP
FRICKEN K E K
>tcwgays coping so hard they think anyone that doesn't like their show and would label it "Disney" as a deragatory term is a mouseshill
Wew you are mindbroken, zoom zoom
This. You simply cannot say Disney had an influence on a franchise when they didn't own it.
All the horrific changes occured when Disney made their movies. You have to be a raging homosexual like op to think Disney wars started before The Force Awakens.
Cope by Lucasgays who cannot criticize George Lucas in any way or the voodoo they're under will cause them immense pain.
>aired on cartoon network, adult swim, toonami
>disney star wars
kys
>inorganically shoves in new girl main character that nobody wants that was clearly made so a minority demographic wouldn't feel left out
>established characters constantly acting out of character
>leaves continuity in shambles with constant, needless changes to long-established lore
>often wastes potential
>inserts random EU cameo that doesn't make sense
>somehow Darth Maul returned
>overly lighthearted and safe (boring) because """"Star Wars is for 12 year olds""""
>except when the tamest bit of violence ever happens just a bit off screen, then Star Wars is suddenly mature and for adults and srs bsns and not just for kids anymore MOM
>bland and simple Saturday Morning cartoon writing with little nuance as to not confuse the "12 year olds."
>they even have to spell out the moral or theme of the story before each episode
>divides the fanbase between bad faith homosexuals and people that actually enjoy good Star Wars content
>rabid zoomer fanbase that blindly defends this slop
>spawns no good games or side material worth experiencing
>makes Lego soulless
Sounds like Disney to me.
I love how EU zealots act like the continuity prior to TCW was always airtight and not a complete mess. TCW was Lucas' project at the end of the day and whatever he said goes. It was long acknowledged by most EU authors that their work was more or less licensed fanfic and most of them never got worked up over it being retconned.
Hell Filoni originally wanted to be careful not to contradict any of the EU until Lucas straight up told him that most of it, while great and enjoyable, didn't really matter and TCW was going to reach a vastly wider audience.
>I love how EU zealots act like the continuity prior to TCW was always airtight and not a complete mess.
>act
It absolutely did have more cohesion before TCW. It wasn't perfect, true, but there were
>TCW was Lucas' project at the end of the day and whatever he said goes.
Which is why it's awful and Filoni is a homosexual little lapdog that was happy to make things worse as long as George said it was okay because he's old and doesn't give a shit anymore.
*there were attempts to iron out all the inconsistencies and keep everything on track.
It's true that there were attempts, but a lot of it really didn't make any sense.
>> Dark Horse Durge is a sadistic bastard who's practically invincible and loves to talk about how badass he is.
>> Genndy Durge is a standard Samurai Jack villain who doesn't talk and is randomly an Akira reference who gets blown up from inside by Obi-Wan
>> No, he's somehow alive and Anakin throws him into a sun.
>> R2 and 3PO first met shortly before the beginning of ANH, according to the old radio drama
>> More or less totally thrown out by prequels, and even the Droids cartoon before that.
>> The kerfuffle with Boba's new origin in AOTC totally a good chunk about him.
>> No one was sure how long ago the clone wars were or how long they lasted prior to the prequels, so many EU works treated like they were decades ago and had lasted for decades.
>> Ewoks cartoon and movies portray Logray as a kind and wise shaman, roleplay books portray him as an evil bastard obsessed with ritual sacrifices
>> It's practically impossible to reconcile the Labyrinth of Evil novel with the micro-series.
End of the day, any massive franchise is going to have contradictions, especially when the creator isn't obsessively supervising every little detail. TCW was George's baby, and if they wanted to tell a story it'd be ridiculous to expect them to bow down for some novel or comic issue that at the very least 70% of the audience is never going to read. Same thing with Star Trek, where as far as Roddenberry was concerned none of the comics or novels really mattered to canon, only the live actions shows and films (and one episode of the animated series) were official canon to him.
>> No, he's somehow alive and Anakin throws him into a sun.
They made it clear by the end of that episode that Durge wasn't dead.
Uh, did they? Obi-Wan picks up the mask and looks at it, while what remains of Durge is splattered all over the walls.
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>ominous music as his juices slither away
Oh okay, I never noticed that before. I did read that originally Genndy was going to only do 1 volume and end it with Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting a regenerated Durge before Lucas asked them to introduce Grievous, so the slime moving was probably going to foreshadow that.
>end it with Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting a regenerated Durge before Lucas asked them to introduce Grievous
I'm actually glad they didn't go with that since Grievous' introduction is one of the best things to come out of Star Wars.
They also had a whole comic line based off Genndy's show that featured Durge so I think that might also have had something to do with it.
Clone Wars Adventures, yeah but Durge is only featured in two stories, maybe three. Those books are a mixed bag, there are some great stories in there to be sure (Pathways did Finn's arc far better than the Sequels did) to the point where they came off like stand alone issues of Republic that they didn't have room for, but a few felt kinda felt phoned in or intentionally over the top to fit in with Genndy's style, like the one with Yoda carrying a giant war machine on his back.
>They also had a whole comic line based off Genndy's show that featured Durge so I think that might also have had something to do with it.
He and Ventress get their asses handed to them by Grievous.
I'm glad they did that, because Grievous' introduction and whole performance in Genndywars is pure fricking kino. His Labyrinth of Evil version is too, even if the events don't line up at all.
>DUDE IT GEORGES VISION AND HIS BABY TO DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH IT WHO CARES ITS A SHOW FOR KIDS WHY ARE YOU EVEN WATCHING IT
>ratings immediately go up after george leaves
>I love how EU zealots act like the continuity prior to TCW was always airtight and not a complete mess.
The inconsistencies within the EU were very minuscule.
See 42:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxTGIY7n5TU
>inorganically shoves in new girl main character that nobody wants that was clearly made so a minority demographic wouldn't feel left out
And what demographic would that be, orange people? This is my first indicator that you’re underage to the point you weren’t allowed to watch TCW when it was airing
>established characters constantly acting out of character
Not at all. In fact it gave a lot of characterization to the Jedi council, and the 501st.
>leaves continuity in shambles with constant, needless changes to long-established lore
The only change that was shit was the father, son, and daughter. But that was Lucas’s idea, not Filoni’s. (You’re underage and probably aren’t aware of George’s involvement in TCW). And the Brain chip was a good change
>often wastes potential
No, the clone’s arcs in the show are great. Especially Fives.
>inserts random EU cameo that doesn't make sense
What are you referring to? Everything makes sense, not that I can think of any EU changes added into TCW. Rebels had that.
>somehow Darth Maul returned
Kino, wasted potential anyways
>overly lighthearted and safe (boring) because """"Star Wars is for 12 year olds""""
Literally quite the opposite. It was the darkest piece of Star Wars television/film media so far. Clones dying, Jedi dying, Jedi killing clones because they didn’t believe they were worth anything. Orange Jailbait gets sold into slavery and wears a skimpy outfit.
1/2
>1/2
Lemme save you the trouble from hurting your fingers. (Whoops, too late) You're unserious and more concerned about making gotchas so I shall not be reading further.
> "I remember saying to George I said, 'Well, you know, Anakin doesn't have a Padawan. Let's put it realistically here, I mean, you know, he says, 'Anakin Skywalker has a Padawan.' And then Henry Gilroy and I kind of look at each other like, 'Okay. Um. But, no. Anakin doesn't have a Padawan.' And he just kind of paused and looked at both of us, and then he said, 'Anakin has a Padawan.'“
Georgecanon is onlycanon.
Genndygays BTFO, Samurai Jack season 5 was shit and so was Unicorn Warriors Eternal.
Concession accepted!
The first half of Season 5 was kino, though weird that they pretended like Jack never killed anyone when he totally killed that Ninja and the bounty hunters in that one episode...unless Jack just never realized he killed them. Kinda lost steam when it became obvious they were rushing to a conclusion and they needed more episodes.
Wow sounds like Filoni and Gilroy are little betas that can't stand up for the integrity of their art.
Working on Star Wars was a dream job, would you really want to risk getting fired before it even begins? Lucas was determined to make Ahsoka Anakin's padawan to enrich his story and nothing they could say would have changed it.
>Working on Star Wars was a dream job, would you really want to risk getting fired before it even begins?
Yes, since I have my dignity.
>Lucas was determined to make Ahsoka Anakin's padawan to enrich his story
And we can see now how that failed. Imagine a world where someone explained and got through to George why retroactively giving Anakin a Padawan after the PT was finished is a terrible idea, actually.
A lot of people would disagree with you on that.
Then a lot of people are wrong and don't take their values seriously enough.
Um, how did it fail? Anakin's distrust of the Jedi Council seems way more justified in light of TCW.
Because Ahsoka is a nothing character that does nothing.
Anakin already had legitimate reason for his disillusionment and distrust with the Jedi established with the PT, forcing Ahsoka into the mix doesn't actually add anything new other than he had this never-before-mentioned Padawan that just left, I guess. Didn't die, just left. And then continued to do nothing afterwards.
Nothing about her actually matters to the main narrative other than just being forced in to exist around these actually important characters to make it feel like she's important, too.
A huge criticism of the prequels was that Anakin came off as whiny and had no real reason to resent them beyond his own pettiness, and a lot of people believe TCW helped enrich that character and helped make his betrayal and actions make more sense to them.
And I think you're being deliberately obtuse about Ahsoka. If she was a nothing character she wouldn't have such a big following.
>If she was a nothing character she wouldn't have such a big following.
>and had no real reason to resent them beyond his own pettiness,
That's literally the point. He's angry that he's still a padiwan after 10 years and got put in his place in front of his oneitis.
>If she was a nothing character she wouldn't have such a big following.
You and I both know why she has a "big" following.
I've spent years in Star Wars threads around the site and I can damn well count on one hand how many times I've actually seen anybody discuss her as a character or plot element.
>Anakin already had legitimate reason for his disillusionment and distrust with the Jedi established with the PT
I agree, if anything ashoka being forced in decreases his betrayal a little bit because his turning point is his fear of losing his wife and Yoda telling him "let her go lol you must" while palps gave him a way out. That compounding on his inferiority complex of being the chosen one and still not being recognized.
He shouldn't be going "Oh yeah and I'm still mad at them for not trusting my padiwan when all evidence pointed to her"
The show gave him other issues than just Ahsoka, like having Obi-Wan fake his death and not Anakin be in on the plan
>like having Obi-Wan fake his death and not Anakin be in on the plan
Which was part of an episode that introduced new technology that completely breaks the setting and demolishes the "future" tech displayed in the OT.
Had Ahsoka died instead of just leaving, then it'd add to Anakin's desperation to save Padme. Doubly so if he had a vision of her death, but the future refused to change. Lucas originally wanted her to die pre-RotS.
>their art
But it’s George’s art.
Filoni was still generally careful in writing around Genndy Wars since Ventress was pre-established, they made up new Banking Clan characters and settings since San Hill was arrested at the Battle of Muunilinst in Genndy Wars, they refused to nerf Durge into a human for technical restraint reasons and just made a new character instead, and they never felt the need to retell the Battle of Coruscant and even referenced the "Shaak Ti's guarding the Chancellor" in the finale. The only thing that doesn't neatly fit nowadays is the Nelvaan adventure.
Isn't it kind of stupid that a 20 year old Padawan who fricked up his one mission by dragging a senator into a diplomatic crisis and then got himself completely BTFO against a Sith is not only immediately promoted to Knight but is also assigned a Padawan himself within a month?
>by dragging a senator into a diplomatic crisis
He didn't. Padme decided to go. He advised against it. In the end, he was there to protect her. So he had no choice but to go.
>then got himself completely BTFO against a Sith
He held better than most of the Jedi. Obi-Wan got BTFO just as much, and Anakin held longer against him. And?
>immediately promoted to Knight
Many masters were killed in the assault on Geonosis. They needed new Jedi Knights to compensate for that. Geonosis was their trial, and the times were desperate.
>also assigned a Padawan himself within a month
He was a Jedi Knight. Jedi Knights get Padawans. More so, he was given one for a very specific reason by Yoda.
>Padme decided to go.
AKA bullshit.
>And?
He irrationally charged in and immediately ruined their chances of fighting him together, and still got fricked anyway afterwords. He deserved admonishment, not praise.
>They needed new Jedi Knights to compensate for that
Nonsensical. There were over ten thousand Jedi at the time of the Clone Wars, and even Padawans could be field commanders. Since he was most often attached to Obi-wan anyway it was pointless.
>More so, he was given one for a very specific reason by Yoda.
Oh yeah and that worked out did it? He was the same moron from episode 1 to the finale, only with slightly more reason to resent the Council. Anakin has almost zero character development in the whole show.
Did you ever consider the fact that there was a 3 year time skip between the end of AOTC and the beginning of ROTS?
Yes but TCW is like a month after AotC.
>AKA concession accepted
Anon in the movie she literally suggests it as a cheap technical excuse. As in "I know you want to go but can't so uh I'll go and you'll just have no choice but to follow me!" In reality he should have brought her back to Naboo, or more accurately never brought her to Tatooine to intercept the signal to begin with.
>And he showed better skill than most of the Jedi.
And the Jedi are about power and skill over method and principle, are they?
>I guess you forgot that AOTC stated that Mace and Yoda were gathering all the Jedi they had and went to Geonosis
Oh so there weren't thousands of Jedi left after Geonosis? So much for O66 then.
>Congratulations, you are a moron.
>no argument
Go on, tell me how he meaningfully developed from episode 1.
>Go on, tell me how he meaningfully developed from episode 1.
The fact that he went from this sweet innocent kid who just wanted to help people to Darth fricking Vader.
Of the show eslgay.
>AKA bullshit.
AKA concession accepted.
>He irrationally charged in and immediately ruined their chances of fighting him together, and still got fricked anyway afterwords. He deserved admonishment, not praise.
He stood longer than his master. And he showed better skill than most of the Jedi.
>afterwords
SIR, DO NOT REDEEM, DO NOT REDEEM!
>Nonsensical. There were over ten thousand Jedi at the time of the Clone Wars, and even Padawans could be field commanders. Since he was most often attached to Obi-wan anyway it was pointless.
>source: some moronic non-canon fanfiction sourcebook
I guess you forgot that AOTC stated that Mace and Yoda were gathering all the Jedi they had and went to Geonosis. Anakin was a Jedi Knight after AOTC, according to Lucas. Deal with it. It makes more sense than the EU garbage, where he was promoted 6 months before ROTS. It was pants on head moronic and made ANH even more moronic in retrospect. "I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father... (who was a Jedi Knight only for 6 months, and then he became Darth Vader).
>Oh yeah and that worked out did it? He was the same moron from episode 1 to the finale, only with slightly more reason to resent the Council. Anakin has almost zero character development in the whole show.
Congratulations, you are a moron. Although that much was clear from your very first post. How embarrassing.
>Anakin was a Jedi Knight after AOTC, according to Lucas. Deal with it. It makes more sense than the EU garbage, where he was promoted 6 months before ROTS
Genndy Wars had him promoted early in the war as well. The next episode is a montage that goes over the next 2 years of the war, placing the previous episodes all within the war's first year.
George is a senile hack, yes
If Anakin had a padawan why didn't she appear in Episode 3? Oh right, because she is a retcon.
Cause she was no longer his padawan by the time of Ep III, moron. The movie was about Anakin shitting himself over the visions of his dying pregnant wife.
No, it's because she didn't exist. Lucas created her after finishing the prequels. Ashoka wasn't even in the 2D Clone Wars show.
>No, it's because she didn't exist. Lucas created her after finishing the prequels.
Yeah, no shit, moron. That's out-of-universe reason. The same reason why Qui-Gon Jinn was never mentioned in the OT, or anything from the PT, really, was mentioned there and at times outright contradicted, like Leia remembering her mother or Yoda being Obi-Wan's actual master, instead of Qui-Gon, who was only created for TPM, and even then, Obi-Wan was originally supposed to be alone and older in TPM, and later Lucas decided to make Obi-Wan younger and give him a master, because Jedi work in pairs, and thus Qui-Gon was created.
>Ashoka wasn't even in the 2D Clone Wars show.
No shit, moron. 2D Clone Wars show was never canon and Lucas had nothing to do with its story - which he had said many times. It was just an experiment they outsourced to CartoonNetwork. Lucas had already created Ahsoka, however, before Revenge of the Sith even hit the theaters.
>and the 501st
Wasn't necessary. AotC established that the grunts are basically fleshy drones. They had their independence bred out of them. It's the Commandos that have actual independence and are basically Jango Replicas.
>AotC established that the grunts are basically fleshy drones.
George Lucas established that clones are people and individuals.
> It's the Commandos that have actual independence and are basically Jango Replicas.
Karen Traviss fanfiction. Lol, lmao even. Imagine bringing that up like it's relevant with a straight fricking face, hahaha.
>George Lucas established that clones are people and individuals.
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It's no use arguing with the Filonigay
>GEORGE LUCAS: The Jedi won't lead droids. Their whole basis is connecting with the life force. They'd just say, 'That's not the way we operate. We don't function with nonlife-forms." So if there is to be a Republic army, it would have to be an army of humans.
>“Even though they’re clones, clones are people,” Lucas emphasized. “Everybody starts out the same, but in time, as they grow up, they change.”
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>Lucas: Yeah, now we get introduced to the clones, which we didn't get in the movies. Now, they're like main characters and they really are central to the whole thing, and you can identify them and know who they are, and it's sort of like "Band of Brothers" only with Jedi. (laughs)
>During development, Lucas was adamant that the clone troopers in the Grand Army of the Republic showcase unique personalities, haircuts, and even personalized armor.
>Everybody starts out the same, but in time, as they grow up, they change
But that doesn't work here. The Clones came from the exact same man, cloned the exact same way and raised in the exact same conditions. There should not be any significant differences between them. They're all Jango. And considering AotC, the grunts are all lobotomized Jangos, with the Commandos and ARC Troopers being regular Jango clones.
>But that doesn't work here.
Yes, it does. Millions of random factors, random chemical factors, their personal experience and consciousness shape their personalities. Their baseline genetic makeup is only that - baseline genetic makeup. They each have unique consciousness and unique signature in the Force. They are not fricking droids connected to a singular computer. God, you are moronic. No wonder, though, you are a EUgay.
>Commandos and ARC Troopers being regular Jango clones.
EU fanfiction. Even worse, Karen Traviss' fanfiction.
Personality traits are genetic. It's why certain people turn out like buttholes no matter how they're raised. Rottenness is hereditary.
The Clones were humanized because it's a kid's show. The result made that way too obvious. Really cringey.
>Karen Traviss fanfiction
No.
>shitty console shovelware that was not even good when it released
>the only reason commandos are canon to begin with is because Dave Filoni is a pathetic EUgay fanboy and he personally put them in the show
Yikes.
>canon
do star wars fans really? this isn't the catholic church lmao. The republic commandos were "canon" since 2005.
You can make your own canon. Think for yourself and do your own thing. Like what you like and choose.
moron
You know what's canon in real life?
You are going to die alone surrounded by all your Disney merchandise
>And what demographic would that be, orange people? This is my first indicator that you’re underage to the point you weren’t allowed to watch TCW when it was airing
I was an adult when Clone Wars aired. It sucked.
>except when the tamest bit of violence ever happens just a bit off screen, then Star Wars is suddenly mature and for adults and srs bsns and not just for kids anymore MOM
It didn’t have any implied off screen violence
>bland and simple Saturday Morning cartoon writing with little nuance as to not confuse the "12 year olds."
It’s Star Wars, not the Wire. They did what they could with 22 minute episodes, and they did it well. But this complaint is subjective.
>they even have to spell out the moral or theme of the story before each episode
Fortune cookie opens were kino
>divides the fanbase between bad faith homosexuals and people that actually enjoy good Star Wars content
No, it didn’t. There were no bad faith clone wars fans you gen alpha Black person
>rabid zoomer fanbase that blindly defends this slop
You must be even younger, since you can’t recall what actually happened at the time it aired.
>spawns no good games or side material worth experiencing
Media should not be judged by it’s spin-offs. Except the spinoffs it caused, Mandalorian and Rebels, are quite good.
>makes Lego soulless
Lego Star Wars was always a failure and Bionicle is what saved Lego in their time of need.
>rabid zoomer fanbase that blindly defends this slop
I genuinely do not get why this is a thing for this show specifically. You can see it in this very thread.
Everyone defends their own generational slop
A lot of these are a little iffy but Maul coming back is egregious and set a really shitty precedent.
It was essentially Lucas' idea, one of his plans for the sequels would be that Maul would rule over a vast criminal empire from the shadows and wanted to use TCW to bring back Maul, because Lucas did come to regret killing him off, plus it's not like there wasn't precedent for it with Darth Sion.
Sion surviving like that is supposed to be an accident because of the mass shadow generator and it turned him into a freak that has to rely on anger to literally keep himself together. That makes sense.
Maul surviving being cut in half, falling a mile down a big pipe and turning into a weird trash spider doesn't make much sense at all. It's not like George really cared about it in the end since he sold before he actually did any of the shit with Maul that he had years to do.
the maul revival was originally supposed to be in revenge of the sith but never made it. one of the concept artists made a story that shows old ben killing maul years later like in the gay kids show, but less gay
Sion wasn't at Malachor lorelet, he was from the Great Sith War.
>inorganically shoves in new girl main character that nobody wants that was clearly made so a minority demographic wouldn't feel left out
She's the audience surrogate IE the kid sidekick character you see a lot in movies. She's the Shortround to Anakin's Indiana.
Nobody liked Shortround either
counterpoint: orange butt cheeks
When you put it that way it does sound like a lot of the stuff Disney gets criticized for. Does this really get a pass just cause George did it?
Nth post best post
It's time to admit that Disney Wars started here.
More like that's when kino started
Wrong. God, you’re such a moron.
Disney started with the phantom menace
frick you george
I'm not defending some of its more lackluster segments but this is a factually incorrect statement.
Actually it started here
and here
based schizo
You can make something for young people and not Disneyfy it, Lucas probably said that to win over investors.
Take Tolkien for instance, he said the Hobbit was written for children and LotR for young people, and yet he disliked Disney's style of film-making.
The Disney style is very obnoxious, in-your-face, somewhat feminine style meant for musicals, and will water down violence to appeal to California moms, their primary audience. It has a very "movie magic", "the show must go on", "it's a small world after all" type of feel that appeals to women and nu males.
That wasn't even the worst kids movie George allowed before the sale. No one cared.
The Ewoks movies were fricking kino and so was the Droids cartoon, kys fake fan larper groid
In a weird way Droids was kind of a prototype for how TCW would do four episode story arcs. Also I can't believe no one ever called Abrams out for ripping off Kybo Ren's name for his Darth Caedus knockoff.
Season 1 of Ewoks is also really good. It's a shame it took such a hard nosedive in the second season, barring the Dr. Raygar episode.
Robot on the right is telling C-3PO
>”You need to let R2 units into your storage unit or protocol droids will have no chance of survival.”
C-3PO immediately recognized what he’s dealing with and emoted accordingly.
>bu-bu-but I’m a protocol droid just like you goybot, er, I mean C-3PO.
Oh my god it’s even wearing a robo-kippa.
The ewoks and droid shows irritated me as a kid
As a child I liked Star Wars for the battles and spaceships
I just wanted more of that instead
I always fast-forwarded through the ewok shit in episode 6
Luckily the video games of the time were able to be good
>This Star Wars shit is fricking trash. Grow up and get a goddamn job.
- George Lucas
wtf I love George now
I hate the Clone homosexualry this children's cartoon created
>It's time to admit
I always did.
I really dislike the clone chip thing. Betrayals are more impactful when they're doing it of their own volition and not mind control.
The manchild fanbase couldn't cope with the Clones being emotionless murder machines that have been conditioned since birth to be loyal to Palpatine.
Another reason why giving them personality was a massive mistake
So I guess Alpha in the Dark Horse comics was a mistake too? Hell, even Dark Lord, the Rise of Darth Vader showed Clones who were baffled by the order and refused to do it without a damn good reason, so it makes sense why Palpatine, who wants as many Jedi taken killed unawares as possible, to suddenly be killed by people they trust without those people having second thoughts or hesitating.
Speaking of, I wonder if any of the writers at Dark Horse even said what happened to Alpha or if Ventress just killed him off panel.
Alpha is an ARC which were established before TCW to be made specifically to be different from regular clones, same with how the higher ranking clones and commandos were made to have more independence.
I much prefer the idea of them just being mindless murder machines. It really drives home that, despite all the Republics grandstanding over the CIS and muh mindless droids, they had the same fricking thing. And they ate shit in the end because of it.
While that is true, I personally don't think Palpatine would be willing to risk the clones questioning an order they were potentially uncomfortable with, especially since TCW developed the clones a lot more than most of the other EU did. It adds more to how much of an evil bastard Palpatine is.
>fight and die alongside people for years
>get told to kill them
>mindless do it
that was moronic, the chip makes it make sense. Cope, and mald gramps.
Chips make more sense.
Why would clone commanders trust a guy that looks like Satan in a hood?
>Why would clone commanders trust a guy that looks like Satan in a hood?
Loyal to the chancellor, not Darth Sidious
Movie acts like clone troopers read the script
>Loyal to the chancellor, not Darth Sidious
Same guy.
Chancellor is not a "Lord", dumbtard. Was never called that once in the films or TCW. Only the Sith are called "Lords." That was very deliberate on Lucas' part.
Clones were brainwashed to follow Darth Sidious' commands, not the Chancellor, who could have been changed.
>"Karen Traviss, she didn't get everything right. It is very clear if you watch Revenge of the Sith, that it [Order 66] is not an order on the books. And it's simple from this one detail, that Karen Traviss ignored, but the detail is when Sidious shows up as a hologram and says, 'Execute Order 66,' the clones say, 'It will be done, my lord.' Not 'yes, sir,' not 'yes, chancellor.' 'It will be done, my lord.' The brain washing kicks in the moment they hear the words 'Order 66,' and they look at that hologram and they see god. They see the man responsible for their creation, Darth Sidious, and that's what it is. Commander Cody has never seen a Sith Lord. If you are going to take Lucas and Filoni to task for changing the Mandalorians, you have to take Karen Traviss to task for changing one of the most key plot points of the entire saga."—Sam Witwer, The Voice Of The Republic Podcast Episode 17, Jan 26, 2013
Clones are programmed. Lucas said it himself:
https://www.ign.com/videos/lucas-talks-clone-wars-season-3
Timestamp: 3:35
That was poorly conveyed in the movie. We don't see any "activation" in Cody's demeanor
We do. By him robotically saying "Yes, my lord" (like all the clone troopers, brainwashing kicking in) and immediately fricking up Obi-Wan without a moment's hesitation just after giving him back his lightsaber and displaying genuine comradery. Cody pre-Order 66 is humanized, friendly, and upbeat. He is showed without his helmet to highlight his humanity. Cody after receiving Order 66 is robotic and angry, never takes off his helmet. It's relatively subtle. Guess too subtle for some people watching Star Wars.
Lucas is not known for subtlety
No matter.
Order 66 is still a clearly underdeveloped and lazy plot device
I disagree with you big time! Thank god order 66 exist in Star Wars.
>Cody after receiving Order 66 is robotic and angry, never takes off his helmet.
He's on screen for five seconds after the order.
I didn't hate it despite later finding out it steamrolled over the EU Clone Wars MMP. I'm a Millennial so I didn't grow up watching it but I marathoned it before it got taken off Netflix and ended up enjoying most of it. For a kid's show its actually pretty good despite some stupid decisions like the brain chip and making Mandalorians pacifists.
It was kinda based that it pissed off the Queen of Mandoboos enough that she fricked off from writing Star Wars books forever though.
I read that Lucas genuinely disliked her books and her glorification of the Mandalorians and that even some of the other authors like Denning complained about her. Like in the whole Legacy of the Force series, isn't there a book where Jaina spends her time with Mandalorians to become stronger and shills how awesome they are, and then in the next book she goes "Well that was a waste of time."
>Like in the whole Legacy of the Force series, isn't there a book where Jaina spends her time with Mandalorians to become stronger and shills how awesome they are, and then in the next book she goes "Well that was a waste of time."
Pretty much yeah. LOTF was just a mess from top to bottom honestly and I'm still mad they did my boy Jacen dirty.
2003 is the only real cartoon
Kinda sorta
for me TCW is not really the problem, it's the fans. They think the show is so violent and gruesome, it's really silly. As if they need a justification for enjoying childrens cartoons.
Ahsoka was obviously designed by Lucas to create a sexual awakening for the zoomies. It's famous knowledge that he is the one that demanded the skimpy outfit.
My own recollection of 2008 TCW is that I felt too old for Star Wars at that point. I was 13 and felt second hand embarassment at the theatre. Revenge of the Sith felt like it was 30 years ago, instead of 3. It was weird. When I watched the full TCW series years later in 2014, I didn't mind it as it's own experiment, but it does feel entirely divorced form the movies. It didn't have the advantage of the Republic comics and their realistic art style (which Lucas was known to be a fan of).
>They think the show is so violent and gruesome, it's really silly. As if they need a justification for enjoying childrens cartoons.
Yeah some of them really overstate how "mature" it is.
Like they make out the Banking episode is really good and deep when its the most surface level thing imaginable and hits you over the head with the message with zero subtlety. Which is fine because its a show for kids but don't try to make out it's more than that.
Name one show that aired on Cartoon Network that was more violent and had more on screen deaths. At least half a dozen episodes TCW got censored in reruns due to how violent they were.
Some of the shows on Cartoon Network were violently obnoxious. Does that kind of violence count? When something is an assault on the senses? The only true gruesome scene in the entire star wars franchise is Anakin burning on Mustafar tbqh. It's just not a very violent franchise, and that's fine. I think Happy Tree Friends is an example of a disturbing violent cartoon.
I think you might be approaching it from the pov of someone desensitized to violence through other media, but for the kids who grew up watching TCW or older kids, they never saw another American cartoon with that level of violence.
>> Kalifa's death
>> Riff Tamson's exploding daggers
>> Savage being brainwashed into a brute and then made to kill his brother, who he no longer remembers because of what the witches did to him
>> The slave arc
>> The Geonosian brain worms
Like it's a far cry from Spider-Man TAS where Spidey wasn't allowed to punch criminals (not hating, love that show but the censors were being real buttholes to it) or Batman TAS where they weren't even allowed to show breaking glass or vampires (because no child can ever find out what a vampire is)
>they never saw another American cartoon with that level of violence.
Except they'd watch anime instead to get that level of violence.
Naruto.
Naruto was not a Western show. It was TV-PG V, meaning PG with strong violence. TCW was the first Western action-adventure show with such a rating.
>Naruto was not a Western show
But it did air in full on Cartoon Network. So it still counts.
You must have long arms if you’re gonna reach that far.
>Ahsoka was obviously designed by Lucas to create a sexual awakening for the zoomies. It's famous knowledge that he is the one that demanded the skimpy outfit.
She has a stick body. Not the shapely figure she had S3+.
>felt secondhand embarrassment at the theater
Pathetic. What's with sheepies and forcing themselves to act """mature""" at 13 lol
Just being honest, I never cared for this animation style and could never get myself to watch it. I remember when this premiered with a special or a movie or something like that and I couldn’t get on board with the idea of retconning the story so Anakin had an apprentice no one ever heard of before. It’s like they were solely trying to get the new generation of kids to give a shit and didn’t care about the older ones
I’ll agree this was the beginning of the end.
Filoni's greatest soldier in the thread
For me, it's Star Wars 1-6, and the EU.
TCW is a primo example of the target demographic shift of Star Wars.
>OT: mid-late teens
>PT: 12-14
>TCW: 10-12
>Disneycore: 8-10
Every installment they try to expand the audience by dumbing down the content, but all that does is limit the viewership to middle-aged nostalgia addicts.
If you thought the OT was meant for older teens, your delusional, the droids, ewoks, and even the romance between Han and Leia were all written for younger kids. They ran ads for Star Wars pajamas when the first movies came out.
The point is it didn't have exclusionary appeal. The Ewoks were the first big sign of the target shifting to younger kids. In ANH you have Owen and Beru's charred meat-dangling skeletons on screen within the first hour. And for mascot characters 3P0 and R2 weren't obtrusive and obnoxious.
It managed to be both childish and mature at once. Go look back at footage and pictures of showings, 90% of the audience are full grown adults.
>In ANH you have Owen and Beru's charred meat-dangling skeletons on screen within the first hour.
You could barely see that. It was there for one second. Is violence, a couple of skeletons, really your argument for being mature? Then you will have to admit the same for TCW and the prequels. TCW had a slave who decides to commit suicide after she failed to assassinate her slave master and was then threatened to undergo further "processing", and she instead decided to kill herself. TCW had a 14 year old girl killed on screen, a shot piercing her lungs, and she was shown dying, grasping for air. TCW had a terrorist who had just bombed a square full of people killing himself instead of surrendering to the authorities.
But I feel like you won't do that. Star Wars was always a PG franchise, edging on PG-13. OT included. ANH included. George had said that with ANH, he was making a fairy tale for young children. ANH was explicitly created for children, and it was stated back in 1977 many, many times.
Pretty much, and keep in mind that when Lucas says Fairy Tale, he means in the sense of both wonderful enchanting fantasy yet also randomly dark and scary at the same time.
You're confusing conceptually dark things with something that is actually considered inappropriate for children. For example despite everything you just listed, TCW never so much as pulls a RotS and shows Anakin in bed with his wife.
But that's not the issue. The problem is it's childish in the ways that actually matter. Some YA edge doesn't change the fact that arcs are paced out to hell, and usually unbelievably hamfisted with some blanket moral lesson like "OMG did you know le banks and le government are bad?" Or "Look at this guy who shoots lightning from his fingers betray his allies, isn't that just so EEEEVIL?" And every conflict is always resolved in the most straightforward way possible.
>TCW never so much as pulls a RotS and shows Anakin in bed with his wife.
TCW literally had an entire arc centered around Anakin's fricking jealousy and him beating Padme's ex in front of her and telling her that she doesn't have a say in this. It had entire arcs centered around their fundamentally toxic, possessive relationship that would not in any way be relatable to fricking kids, lol. Holy frick, you are so disingenuous and moronic, it's hilarious, lmao.
OT also had no people in bed with each other, so, according to your logic, it's childish then.
>Some YA edge
Wait, like a bunch of skeletons that are on the screen for a literal second of screen time? kek
>and usually unbelievably hamfisted with some blanket moral lesson like "OMG did you know le banks and le government are bad?" Or "Look at this guy who shoots lightning from his fingers betray his allies, isn't that just so EEEEVIL?" And every conflict is always resolved in the most straightforward way possible.
Wow, you mean, like Star Wars? Holy shit!
God damn, you are so moronic. The worst part, you are not even trolling. You are completely serious, and you genuinely believe in your righteousness.
Star Wars has been about selling toys to kids ever since they sold the "Empty Box with a voucher" for Christmas in 1977.
: 8-10
Disneycore's target audience was disgruntled manchildren and their fat wives and 1 kid
>Seven seasons and only a couple of good ground battles and zero good space battles
Pathetic
No hailfire droids, SPHA-Ts, Durge, or Republic fighter tanks either
>No hailfire droids
Were slated to appear in the Dark Disciple arc.
>SPHA-Ts
Appeared in the Zillo Beast arc.
>Durge
Good. That shit was completely moronic in concept, ugly in design garbage. Peak Genndyshit cringe that does not belong in Star Wars.
>Republic fighter tanks
Never appeared in the movies, ergo they don't exist.
spha-t's did not appear in the zillo beast arc. its the moronic AA vehicle that disables fighters so that they crash into friendly lines
>Good. That shit was completely moronic in concept, ugly in design garbage. Peak Genndyshit cringe that does not belong in Star Wars.
no taste
FYI Filoni was about to introduce Durge into the show and turn him into a human. Lmao. I bet you would have clapped too, no taste pleb.
Filoni is a moronic EUgay fanboy and he tried to appease your pathetic ilk, lol. Good thing Lucas could steer the ship in the right direction and reject Filoni's initial pitch for Clone Wars, which was just Rebels that Filoni did later anyway.
>no taste
>DOOOOOOOOOOOOD LE IMMORTAL TENTACLE GOO MONSTER THAT HAS TO BE LITERALLY THROWN INTO THE SUN!
>DOOOOD LOOK AT THIS DESIGN!
hahahaha
Are you mexican? Only moronic hispanics like that shit.
Why do you losers always hate fun? Y'all want the most blandest and most basic shit possible. No imagination.
That's not fun. That's tasteless and moronic. That can be only fun if you are 4 or non-white, or a literal drooling moron that claps at flashy lights. People above the age of four require something better to activate their neurons.
You must be fun at parties.
lol, 80iq moron with zero artistic inclination, imagination or appreciation. No wonder you're a racist chud.
Star Wars is a visual, cinematic franchise, it wasn't made for you sweetie.
Not even Durge, just a guy wearing the same armor since they realized people would be pissed at retconning worm guy completely.
Only reason why he was gonna be human was because they didn't have the budget or tech to properly animate Durge. So they scrapped everything and created Cad Bane instead.
>t. necklet
Schizophrenia is frightening
That's kinda pathetic.
he's been right that many times? b b b based
Never watched it, still like the prequels and dislike everything I've seen from the Disney era.
The Prequel Trilogy is better than the Original Trilogy
There. I said it.
Everything George said is canon even if it's fricking stupid. This includes stupid shit like Ahsoka and whatever other stupid gay bullshit was in that show. Even back in the EU days G-canon was immediately taken as the final word, even if they had to retcon arguably far better material about it. George should always get final word on his own creation.
well the show he created was better received when he was no longer involved so what does that say? the TCW movie is the worst rated star wars project to date. dude also made red tails and indy 4, but people choose to ignore them too.
he became washed up, but its not like his work was flawless either. there were plenty of side stories written during the prequels that improved the movie experience or were just flat out better.
It's still his creation and always will be until the day he drops dead and it was also his to sell and will have been until 75 years after he is dead and it goes public domain. IMO George deserves to be given the final say about things simply for that reason. Lots of creators frick up their own shit in monumental, at times almost unbelievable ways.
absolute sycophant behaviour
George deserves nothing, he sold out and continues to simp for the mouse to this day to suckle at it's teat.
>well the show he created was better received when he was no longer involved
Why are you lying?
>the TCW movie is the worst rated star wars project to date.
TCW movie is miles better than anything made by Disney. The vertical battle of Teth is more interesting and creative than anything made by Disney.
>dude also made red tails and indy 4
Indy 4 was fine. He was not involved with Red Tails all that much outside of the initial story idea and producing it. He was not even directly doing the reshoots. Check at least on Wikipedia.
>Disney buys Star Wars in 2012
>"Disney wars begins with show released in 2008"
Basically yes. Dave had the rights to retcon everything he wanted, which he made sure to do on a consistent basis. But for some reason morons, specially wikigays still try to lump seasons 1-6 alongside the Old EU despite it creating a completely incoherent, devoid of cause and effect timeline. One of the worst cases that comes up at the top of my head is about Barris Offee. In the EU she was about Anakin's age and became a Knight during the war like him and died in Order 66 like other Jedi, but in TCW she was de-aged significantly to be about as old as Ashoka and a padawan for all of her time and a Jedi, and then there was what happened to her in Season 5. The morons at wiki have to pretend nothing happened to her after she was arrested and can't ever give a reason how she rejoined the order.
EU was never canon.
All Lucas is saying is that he wants to tell his own stories and not just build one the EU or whatever. You can try to pull out of context shit and whatever cope you wanna parrot from Disney shills on twitter, but it's still objectively untrue. So much so that George specially made covering the period around the Clone wars completely forbidden since he always wanted to make movies on that era after the first trilogy, not to mention Lucasfilm had several consultants and editors to make sure continuity and timeline were consistent among all works. The only exception was TCW since Dave would only do it if he had full creative rights, he doesn't even obey current Disney canon with his newer works despite all of it being equally canon.
>The only exception was TCW since Dave would only do it if he had full creative rights, he doesn't even obey current Disney canon with his newer works despite all of it being equally canon.
lmao, lying EUtroon, as usual
Post proof to any of the shit you spew out, you pathetic Black person, lol.
Every "retcon" (can't be a retcon, since the EU was never canon to begin with) came from George. Ahsoka, Mandalorians, clones - you name it. Not from Dave boogeyman.
>"I am the father of our Star Wars movie world - the filmed entertainment, the features and now [The Clone Wars] animated film and television series,” he says. “And I’m going to do a live-action television series. Those are all things I am very involved in: I set them up and I train the people and I go through them all. I’m the father; that’s my work. Then we have the licensing group, which does the games, toys and books, and all that other stuff. I call that the son - and the son does pretty much what he wants.” He laughs. “Once in a while, they ask a question like ‘Can we kill off Yoda?’, things like that, but it’s very loose. Then we have the third group, the holy ghost, which is the bloggers and fans. They have created their own world. I worry about the father’s world. The son and holy ghost can go their own way."—George Lucas: Mr Emperor strikes back
Disney decanonized the EU in 2014. How can something be decanonized if it was never canon?
>ITS CANON
>ITS NOT CANON
You know what is canon? Me fricking your mother. I fricked her real good b***h, and she told me she wishes I was your dad.
Imagine memorising every interview Lucas ever did so that you can defend Filoni's honor.
Orange pussy.
>George Lucas: Everybody said, “Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.” Well, that never happened. That’s just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other off, and there wasn’t anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he’s not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master. That’s why I call it a Rule of Two — there’s only two Sith Lords. There can’t be any more because they kill each other. They’re not smart enough to realize that if they do that, they’re going to wipe themselves out. Which is exactly what they did. In The Phantom Menace, Palpatine was the one Sith Lord that was left standing. And he went through a few apprentices before he was betrayed.
EU bros.... KOTOR bros.......... Our responce?
>“I’ve left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That’s because there isn’t any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married…” — George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007
>“George couldn’t stand Mara Jade. They went out and got some sort of person who looked like she had stepped out of a Cosmopolitan magazine to be the model for Mara, and he just thought the whole thing was so not Star Wars, and not his vision for Star Wars. […] And also she married Luke, and he says ‘Jedi don’t marry.’ So for him, that was important.” — J.W. Rinzler, former non-fiction author and editor of Lucas Licensing
>“So the issue of love, there’s a line between loving somebody compassionately and caring about them and helping them. But the other line is not to be greedy or once you are greedy then you get fearful. You don’t want to lose what it is you have that you are getting. So you have to learn to give up everything. And ultimately for a Jedi Knight, it’s very easy to give up. One of the things they give up is marriage. They can still love people. But they can’t possess them. They can’t own them. They can’t demand that they do things. They have to be able to accept the fact, one, their mortality, that they are going to die. And not worry about it. That the loved ones they have, everything they love is going to die and they can’t do anything about it.” — George Lucas
>the Emperor doesn’t get cloned
It's canon now.
Disney isn't canon either. Just like Rings of Power is not canon to Tolkien's works.
>Disney Wars isn't canon
>but fans keep demanding Disney to retcon it
Sure pal
Disney Wars wouldn't have a 14 year old in a tube top.
>only in 14 episodes of TCW
>2 of which are single scenes only
>still has one of the better character arcs in the entire show
its time to admit that asajj ventress was one of the best characters
Bad Batch was ass. Her end in Dark Disciple worked just fine.
sure, but that results in too little content for her
having her be alive allows more exploration of her changed character and semi-unique perspective on things
how often do you see an actual "grey" force user that isnt just a jedi but not really?
Didn't she die during the clone wars? Dave is allergic to continuity.
she died in her own book, dark disciple
she did still die, shes just somehow returned
>ventresstroon is here
Jesus. How I yearn for the day you have a nice day.
just a reminder that this guy is an obsessed homosexual who follows him wherever he goes on every single board, and non stop b***hes about everything to the point where several anons got pissed off at him
he also
>constantly b***hed about clone commandos
>constantly complained that scorch in bad batch "wasnt scorch because nobody said his name" (only for the bery next episode to namedrop him)
>constantly complains that the bad batch "dont shoot anyone" and was promptly BTFO to where he had to move the goalposts
>only starting b***hing about bad batch as soon as he realised someone he disliked was liking the show
He sounds based. Also, Bad Batch was moronic trash.
Sidius should've just asked Dave for his bullshit juice instead of creating the whole cloning scheem to revive himself.
>
>every single post is factual, correct, and backed up with proofs
Based.
wow, a single man's shitposting crusade lasting years that is filled with nothing but ugly, spiteful rhetoric that continues with the stunning result of nothing gained and all the time lost. what a legacy.
>You've got a problem with the Chosen People?
knew this guy was a israelite lolmao
What’s wrong with being israeli?
Why all the hate against israelites?
The majority of israelites are alright!
I don’t understand you people!
>What's wrong with being israeli?
>…?
>…?
What’s wrong with being israeli?
Well they killed the IRL Anakin, for starters.
>What's wrong with being israeli?
Thisiswherethefunbegins.jpg
>What's wrong with being israeli?
>…?
What’s wrong with being israeli?
Lol yes!
>The majority of israelites are alright!
lolno
George Lucas is a moron and holds more personal responsability for the state of the world than any politician, banker, or oligarch. He taught generations of children all the worst lessons you could possibly teach them - To judge things on base emotional impression, to villify the idea of one's own desires and ego, to simultaniously rebel and simp for authority based on team colors, to think of the world and one's percieved opponents in blanket, absolutist strawman terms, and so much worse besides. He's nothing but an entitled yuppie sellout trying to pretend at being an auteur while doing nothing but sucking up to the system and rolling in all the money he stole from children and parents in exchange for mountains of plastic crap rotting in the ocean.
Did you know Sarah Gadon was in a movie with Matt Lanter (Voice of Anakin from the Clone Wars)
Can't we just let Star Wars die peacefully? Hasn't it been through enough?
There is literally no basis for your argument.
season 7 was dogshit.
easily one of the worst seasons, only the bad batch arc was "good" because it felt like classic clone wars content (even if it was a pilot)
the muttalo sisters were a waste of time and the siege of mandalore was just rebels season 0.5 thats overrated as frick
>no delegation of 2000 or later on when Padme tells Bail Organa to just approve the Emperor to protect the other senators.
>nothing about the siege of Coruscant giving Palpatine even more authority
>no cato neimoidia
>no windu, yoda, and kenobi "sith within Palpatine inner circle" discussion
>we don't see windu telling kenobi to lie to anakin
>we don't see Kenobi telling Pamde that he "knew" about her and anakin
>no outer rim sieges
>we don't see Bail Organa, yoda, and kenobi planning for the next 20 years.
I feel like siege of Mandalore just shit on the established characters, like why would Ahsoka let Maul out and then also say im not rooting for you, it comes across as very dark sidey instead of Ahsoka going oh well you were right and tried to warn me now im going to listen to you, see the problem is that they already wrote the conflict in rebels so they cant retroactively go back so Ahsoka's character has the match what she was doing in the future which makes no fricking sense.
Then also Ahsoka has some big problem with killing clones while in previous seasons she killed real people without hesitation. Basically Disney Star wars is disjointed emotional drivel with high production values which makes ultimately no sense.
The original ending of Clone Wars is much better than what Disney made with hurrr muh Darth Vader shows up and funky sound track which never happens in the rest of the show. Its supposed to be stylistic but is ultimately meaningless.
Disney is utterly incapable of producing anything good, they just twist existing things to suit their social engineering objectives and they feel they have every right to because they stole it from Lucas.
Holy frick, you are moronic. It's unbelievable, actually. I just lost hope in humanity ever so more after reading this. How can one be filtered that much by a fricking star wars cartoon? Fricking puzzling.
I love how every SW thread always ends up devolving into Zoomers b***hing about the EU.
>my superiority has led to some controversy
Correct
Night sister witches and their magic is the worst lore expansion to me.