It's weird how Oliver feels like he still kind of just exists in his own bubble with Molly despite there being an entire episode about him being a part of the whole group
It's weird how Oliver feels like he still kind of just exists in his own bubble with Molly despite there being an entire episode about him being ...
He certainly feels forced. I'm pretty sure that at one point during pre-production Disney mandated that every female MC from their cartoon shows have to have a male romantic interest now. So the crew had to rework some episodes and scrap others to make him fit.
>Molly has Ollie
>Hailey has Scott
>Lunella has Eduardo and Kid Kree
>The israeli girl from Katz Cafe will probably also have one.
>Now
Always has been, even Amphibia had an obligatory female love interest for Sprig and Hop Pop and Owl House with Hunter and Willow.
What's strange about TGAMM's case is that Oliver was apparently conceived by Bill&Bob so that they could specifically tackle the cringiest moments of teen crushes (they literally said that) while also subverting common tropes by having Molly be the lead in the "relationship", friend or otherwise, which sounds confusing and not unique at all.
The only Ollie related scene I found funny and anything remotely like what you described... in the book sprite episode, where he was standing off to the side and Scratch/Libby were ragging on Molly for her crush while she was in denial mode. Otherwise he's been pretty forgettable as a character and at times felt like he was intended to be a parody of a bad Gary Stu self insert character... but he is played absolutely straight. It's a weird.
>Sprig, Hunter, Willow
I was talking about main characters there
Ya'll b***h at Lumity but at least there was a relationship there, everyone but Scott is just another accessory for a girl.
>Ya'll
I dunno, for a romantic comedy you would want there to be a romantic interest from the getogo, I know not everyone likes Scott as a love interest, but since Pre-release Hailey's crush on Scott has been front and center AND Scott is the deuteragonist of the show.
I hate how they did the same to Becker.
Yeah the Becker thing I didn't like. I can understand resolving the crush but it was done too quickly (really nothing at all between announcing it and killing it off) and pairing her off with a ready-made lesbian like Jackie just feels lazy. I can forgive HOI a little because it's still in that "figuring out the characters" growth stage, but that and the Kristine crush getting killed so quick make me think its being written as a one season show.
Same with the chairman. Any time a plot point gets resolved and you're left feeling "That's it?" is not a good thing. But I feel like they were intending to take more care with the continuity in TGAMM and they absolutely haven't, with the biggest offense being no one seems to remember Molly killed the chairman, not even her.
To be fair, I feel that part of Molly McGee's first season was also written as a single-season show.
It feels like Disney Channel wants to play is safe, So much of Hailey does it seem like it's playing it safe, Take her relationship with her mom, we see that Hailey's closer to her father in some aspects, but the show's never allowed to look at that properly just one episode with the flamingo and then the lighthouse episode.
Take other Disney parents and the relationships between their kids, Camila and Luz, Della and Dewey, and yes, Star and Moon, they had an episode where they examined the relationships through multiple episodes.
Sharon and Patty are likeable characters, but a few of their problems get wrapped up really easily, Hailey and Patty really do come across as victims of this, we've seen they have friction but more could be done with it.
It does feel like Disney newest theme is "Play it safe, don't try for anything new." which is why we're getting a dozen SOL BCG clones and Phineas and Ferb coming back, when the real successes are shows like Hamster and Gretel and Kiff, which add their own elements more then borrowing what's hip.
This thread made me realize how weirdly common it is for these DTVA shows to just suddenly pair a secondary character with some random no-name just for the sake of having some gay rep in it.
Shit, the show this very thread's about is likely gonna have TWO examples of this.
Just feels like really lazy attempts to get that audience to watch the show at this point. Atleast with The Owl House, you can sense they felt geninue about it.
>This thread made me realize how weirdly common it is for these DTVA shows to just suddenly pair a secondary character with some random no-name just for the sake of having some gay rep in it.
Whats crazy is that you don't NEED a gay character in a relationship to have rep, really. Them simply existing as a decent character with agency, motives, and everything else that makes one engaging with the hook of being gay is enough. If you pair a character with a who that doesn't get the spotlight and is a blank slate save for being nice AH-HEEEEEM, Pic Related, it's just fodder and a checklist someone felt like they had to make for Twitter points. And its gotten to the point where Twitter doesn't give a frick when a clam pair is fished up this way. Shipping requires atleast 2 already established characters, that's why you'll NEVER see them go apeshit for Andrea x The Red One like how they go for Luz x Amity. I think it would've gone better if Becker was gay, but didn't get a love interest straight away (har-har).
Yeah, these two posts sum up my thoughts perfectly.
I don't necessarily have any issue with having LGBT rep, but a lot of these examples feels like they're trying to fill some quota rather than being genuine about it and it's amazing to me how a few people are taking notice to this despite being so obvious. Fricking hell, even Xavier from Drawn Together feels like more authentic gay rep than most examples these days.
Also, I love how we totally diverged from the original thread topic, which speaks numbers of how much of a nothing character Oliver is, lol
If they can't make a straight relationship interesting, I shudder how they could make a gay one.
See that's the problem. Say what you want about Dana but she was out right determined to have a BI lead and she didn't back away from it, Eda, Raine, Luz, Amity, Masha, there was no denying there was LGBT rep, and they all had personalities which wasn't just I'm gay isn't that cool.
I really think the worst example of this is Yunan and Olivia, who barely appear in the show and by the end they're togeather, despite barely spending time together, not even a brief scene togeather showing them getting along before the end of the world happened.
Also it just how how boring Ollie is, just have <olly start dating Libby or Andrea it works a lot better.
They balked on making any of the Amphibia girls lesbian (other than Sasha having some marker on her car) so Mutt had to pair of Olivia and Yunan to appeal to his israelite handler Alex. TGAMM also did a hard swerve right off the road with that too, with all the Molibby baiting they did (Lose Lose, the comet scene) and Andrea becoming "close but ultimately not that close" with the friend group that was ultimately all swept away for Mollie, and the Becker/Hailey thing getting smothered in its cradle, maybe Dana was onto something about Disney just not wanting its main characters to be dyking it out.
I prefer to subscribe to Hanlon's razor on that matter, personally.
>I really think the worst example of this is Yunan and Olivia, who barely appear in the show and by the end they're togeather, despite barely spending time together
I'm unsure as to why froggays just don't talk about how blatantly halfassed that was. Their interactions were just them literally standing next to eachother in the 1 episode that starred both of them at once. Not a single person gave a frick about them either, since most fanart and discussion these days is just of the human girls slamming clams.
Maybe it's because an episode's name is Olivia and Yunan.
It's simple really, because it's safe.
Some shitty hate filled website made a big deal of there being two gay dads in DuckTales, when the truth is they don't talk, they barely interact.
Becker isn't terrible but she's kind of lower on the character priority list than someone like Kristine (yes I know for the sale of plot she's straight but she could be bi or something)
It does feel like these newer Disney shows have lgbt character to be progressive, while ignoring the fact that they treated an actual lgbt show like shit, they have gay teachers, Jeff, and Andrea with this new girl but honestly looking at it Molly has better chemistry with Libby.
Frick even shows like BCG has better rep then Hoi and Molly, that gay couple are funny and feel like an actual couple, they add to the charm of the diverse setting of Big City instead of feeling like they're hear to make Disney not homophobic
the only thing that can save the show is the andrea episode this saturday
She’s likely getting dyke’d there, so that’s a huge doubt.
>She’s likely getting dyke’d there
Show isn't that based
How are they gonna work that character into the show? Other than being some bodies self insert which it clearly is.
Like Jackie and Chloe, basing this on what Bill said about the girl only playing a small role
Still hate how Jackie was robbed and turned into a lesbian for no reason.
No fricking clue, especially since they already said she isn’t gonna be that important of a character. I’m assuming it’s gonna be a similar scenario to what happened with Star Vs. with Jackie and that one chick she ended up paired with.
ANDREATROONS BTFOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I think it's funny they added a gay guy constantly being abrasive with the kids and sexually domineering. Way to raise eyebrows and further kill the show.
>sexually domineering
Only to Geoff. Everyone else, he's just domineering.
Jeff might actually be a worse addition to the show than Ollie. Yes Im aware he was in season 1 meandering next to Geoff in some shots, but he wasn't given an actual character until season 2 and it basically consists of "being the most viscerally uncomfortable character ever inserted into a Disney cartoon".
Jeff’s just there to be an absolute butthole to people who mess with his boyfriend never understood why they added him in.
Molly a shit
When is Cinemaphile going to admit they don't actually care about heterosexual relationships but just want a chad self insert to date the underaged protagonist
but I don't want that?
Part of that episode was about how he doesn’t fit in
How would you write Ollie?
Simple: Don't
Hard Mode: Introduce him in season 1 and give me a reason why Molly likes him beyond looks.
His cheerful optimistic attitude?
To give a comparison, let's take Scott Denoga, Hailey's love interest and best friend, he has a cheerful attitude, but he is also a Loyal friend and very understanding, character qualities that are endearing to the audience.
Make him the autism to Molly's ADHD. Have him be the autist rep AND the love interest. Stunning and brave, isn't it?
Give him some actual character devlopment instead of him doing a 180 in 3 episodes
For me I would make him the polar opposite of Molly, he’s pessimistic and negative about things and yeah he hates ghost but over the course of the season he develops a more friendly attitude towards them then just quickly resolving the issue for 3 episodes.
Will say I do find it really funny how not even being voiced by Ashly Burch couldn’t stop them from straightening-out Molly, lol.