>This shows that israelites can do anything if they put their mind (and money) to it. They can take a bad show nobody likes, and shove it down everyone's throats until it's suddenly iconic and popular.
Lend Me some examples of this.
Honestly if you had to choose between watching >cultural zeitgeist created by the klasky csupo powerhouse
vs >random underwater show from a no-name animator
would you have made the right choice back in 1999?
I remember how aggressively they pushed it. I grew to hate it before it premiered and hated it more when I watched episodes. I was 9 and part of their target demo, so they failed.
I'm guessing these posters are all 40-50+ years old by now. Damn. It really makes you think.
If you look at comics and auteur cartoon circles, there's still plenty of people in their 50's and 60's still enjoying the stuff. Its not like their hobbies are suddenly gonna change. Have you guys seriously never talked to people older than 40 who watch cartoons? Even as a kid I remember my friend's dad loved watching the Fox Kids superhero cartoons.
I'm guessing these posters are all 40-50+ years old by now. Damn. It really makes you think.
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If you look at comics and auteur cartoon circles, there's still plenty of people in their 50's and 60's still enjoying the stuff. Its not like their hobbies are suddenly gonna change. Have you guys seriously never talked to people older than 40 who watch cartoons? Even as a kid I remember my friend's dad loved watching the Fox Kids superhero cartoons.
I was posting on anime forums around this same period. Specifically Planet Namek and Funimation forums.
I'm barely a Cinemaphile user, I pretty much just check out xmen comics on wednesday, but Im 38 and been on the internet since 1998
At that time I posted in rock band and videogame message boards, I used the off topic sections of those boards to discuss stuff like the twin towers attack or the iraq wars
Furries, much like anime fans, are a "branch" of sci-fi fandom that started becoming its own things in the 70's and 80's. There used to be time when furry and anime fandom were able to live in peace as they kind of were born from the same seed.
>Nelson is proof that d*sney shills were operating even in the early aughts,
Kim Possible existed and you're barely noticing that? Disney shilled everything back then.
He's right about the hipocrisy in censoring the classics while allowing equally risky or worse so material in new stuff, but everything else is the whining of a boomer who is unwilling to even give the new stuff a chance.
>the whining of a boomer who is unwilling to even give the new stuff a chance
You sound like a whiney millennial mad because Nelson doesn't agree with you
you just know these are the same gays that make those schizo looney tunes threads every so often
what is it about looney tunes and HB that make people so insane
You're failing to see the irony. Your disdain for TTGO is no different than their disdain for CC. It's a product borne from nostalgia and a hatred of inevitable change
>disdain for TTGO
moron I have no disdain; it's false equivalence to assume that TTG is at the same level since TTG legitimately more entertaining than the cartoons.
TTG did not bring about a good, meaningful change; there's a world of a difference from focus on a series of creator driven brand new IPs and making a corporate reboot your new SpongeBob.
It's kind of fun to see how posts on Cinemaphile media were relatively level-headed and well written while Cinemaphile stuff were just people calling each other homosexuals and shills for the other company, same as it is today.
Honestly never knew the "troll" terminology dated back that far. Bro couldn't even go for the incredibly low hanging Gaystation fruit. Where does the "shit" even come into play?
>anime forums were full of people crying about anime becoming mainstream >video game forums were full of flaming and consolewars shitflinging >comics foruns had contrarianism, boomerism and social justice gays already
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Its been like what? 2 - 3 generations of fans since these messages and its still mostly the same
I wouldn't be surprised if the next big thing is worse, the internet just keeps getting worse over time. But I also have a hard time imagining anything being shittier than Twitter
This is what I miss most about forums. A forum could have so many people from different walks of life and it was conducive to discussions. Plus when someone makes a post, everyone who goes into that thread can see it - you don't need followers or upvotes or whatever to get eyes on what you say.
The biggest reason: social media happened and forums stayed very static and there was barely no innovation to keep up with the rest of the internet/social media. They ran on old software like phpBB which got very outdated in time. I didn't mind it but back in time lot of people moved to Facebook groups, and then you were the only one posting. I personally didn't want to do it because I didn't trust Facebook even back then.
I don't. I like anonymous discussion way more as you don't get shit like some guy that's been on the forum for 8 years saying you're wrong because you have only 3 posts or getting banned because you hurt the resident sperg's feelings when you tell him he's being a gay.
I do. I want to go back in time and be a teenager in the early 2000s again and not pass up on an opportunity I had to get a weeb GF in 9th grade. Girl had messy hair and big ugly glasses but you could tell she had a cute face underneath them and she had fricking gigantic breasts. I think she gave me a thing for awkward girls and she was nice, if kind of shy, but I was too shy myself to ever ask her out.
The internet moved a lot slower back then. While such a paragraph would probably just get people replying "tl;dr" these days, back then there weren't many other things worth reading/doing online. So people were more willing to read longer posts because there was nothing else around to distract them.
Crazy to think how old forum arguments could go on for weeks with the expectation that you cite your sources.
People who weren't there have no idea how much a breath of fresh air Cinemaphile was where threads and posts could be fire and forget, and the dude you just called a homosexual is your best friend in the next.
Reminds me of how the largest flame war in history was the Battlecruiser 3000AD drama which mostly consisted of Derek Smart typing novel-length rebuttals to the most innocuous shit.
I don’t think that controversy would even last a week nowadays.
Speaking of old internet arguments, I'm reminded of when people tried to avoid invoking Godwin's law. Calling your opponent a nazi wasn't the automatic path to victory; it was the moment you lost the argument.
It was only ever a thing to shut up ancient posters with ww2 parents who would constantly mention it.
Godwin actually retracted it recently because making said ridiculous comparison is now cool and trendy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You weren't around for the post 9/11 days were you? Nazi comparisons flew around like crazy.
blissful ignorance. i mean people were homosexuals back than but atleast you stuck to your own kind and groups didint intermingle as much as they do now.
Never had to worry about all this technology shit as a kid. Everything was stuck inside objects. The news stayed on the TV, video games and movies were on tapes or cartridges, you played with your friends outside and had snow days and went sledding. Never had to worry about weird gender shit or what random morons think about and their opinions just normal kid stuff. We also had magazines, you'd go to the mall on the weekends and look at animals in the pet store, go to the library or the video store to rent tapes. Drive in movies or movies at the park.
Eventually the internet became a big deal, you had to wait forever for dial up and webpages were neat and schizo. It was less stressful information wise but you still had to worry about the usual drama stuff at school and home.
Its pretty crazy, its hard to even know what's real. I remember when I was younger if you wanted to know something before the internet you had to go to the library and look through a bunch if encyclopedias alphabetically. Im 31 and still remember those blue books with the gold tree on them. Its weird how things accelerated so quickly. In just a decade we had phones and internet. Phones were more about status and just fun designs before smart phones even kicked in.
The internet moved a lot slower back then. While such a paragraph would probably just get people replying "tl;dr" these days, back then there weren't many other things worth reading/doing online. So people were more willing to read longer posts because there was nothing else around to distract them.
I remember reading fanfiction for the first time and seeing fanart if ff7 when it came out. but damn the load times were slow as shit.
Loading times used to be so long that some websites would put little gag ads in during load times prior to video content. Going back trying to watch them now, if they're even still up, is a shame as you just watch everything fly by instantly.
Amazing. Everyone was happy, your only source of misery was personal problems/drama. Middle class could afford mansions, store shelves were always full, arts and entertainment were going through a boom of creativity and quality. Technology was developing rapidly. America was #1 and badass. New businesses were popping up every day. Americans were getting heavy but obesity was still rare. Unabashed and unashamed consumerism driven by prosperity. There was a lot of optimism towards the future. Politically everyone joked democrats and republicans were just the same.
It was the 2nd coming of the 1950s. What we're experiencing now is the 2nd coming of the 1970s (but worse). People say 9/11 was the end but for us at least life was continuing on as normal even by the end of the day. For me personally I started to notice a serious shift by the 2007-2009 period (Obama and his brand of politics, housing market crash, social media/smartphones, writers guild strike, etc.). Since about 2014-2016 I've noticed I can't live the same kind of life I used to. Since about 2020 I go into a grocery store and see like 20% of the shelf space empty, which is really discouraging and something you never saw in the 90s. These days, there just seems to be too many people and never enough of stuff they want.
I feel bad for zoomies to be honest. I'm in my 30s and got to live through the 90s and all of its bliss. These days, the powers that be are trying to rewrite that people were always miserable and things were always bad and we just have to accept it. But we still remember that wasn't always the case.
shit was restricted to the useless ghettos, less than 10% of the country had to deal with that shit. Now it's everywhere.
Interested where you got this photo from, since you sound American but this is a local shopping mall in Australia. I initially thought this might've been an American mall that used the same template but the file name is definitely the one I recognize in Melbourne.
Either you got this from a random mall Google search or simulation theory is real.
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can confirm theyre pics of a mall here in melbourne
t.someone who lives literally 10 minutes away from it
I googled 90s mall
looks shit now tho
>Since about 2020 I go into a grocery store and see like 20% of the shelf space empty
WTF? I live eastern europe and never ever in my life have I seen that much shelf space empty. Even in the 90’s.
Walk into a US grocery store now, tons of empty space even if it isn't full-on shortages. If you go into a US store (particularly later in the day on sunday after everyone picks through it) at least 20-30% will be empty and not restocked for at least a day.
It varies a lot where you go. I live in Tennessee where it isn't so bad, but if you go to like heavy populated areas of California or Texas you can have some soviet looking supermarkets by the end of the day
My dad drove around doing X-ray in a mobile van in the 90s and it was hilarious how wild things were back then >Got jumped by some black kids yelling "I'm Rodney king homie" and narrowly escaped in his van >Got his cars broken into 3 different times, had an expensive leather jacket, an expensive cognac and a whitesnake tape stolen >Got patted down by cops in front of his own work place for having long hair and only didn't get arrested cuz his boss drove by and saw and vouched for him >Had random homies drive up to him at 11 at night at the bus stop trying to sell him coke
And this was in NEW HAVEN, a city where hardly anything crazy happens these days. Also makes you realize how convenient smart phones are when you realize he had to navigate without gps and had to have a pager on him all the time and use pay phones to make calls.
Interested where you got this photo from, since you sound American but this is a local shopping mall in Australia. I initially thought this might've been an American mall that used the same template but the file name is definitely the one I recognize in Melbourne.
Either you got this from a random mall Google search or simulation theory is real.
Interested where you got this photo from, since you sound American but this is a local shopping mall in Australia. I initially thought this might've been an American mall that used the same template but the file name is definitely the one I recognize in Melbourne.
Either you got this from a random mall Google search or simulation theory is real.
can confirm theyre pics of a mall here in melbourne
t.someone who lives literally 10 minutes away from it
>I’m in my 30’s
Mate, it wasn’t some golden age it was shit like all the other decades the only reason I know this to be true is because I’m 10 years older than you and my childhood was good too but when I hit my 20’s I noticed things were awful.
Everyone is nostalgia for their childhood it’s always been like that, go read diaries form people in the 1800’s it’s no different
Complete hogwash from this post. Every decade sucked ass and will continue to get worse. Nothing will be done because American food portions are always huge and air conditioning keeps everyone calm and relaxed.
>they have food and a good envinroment and are happy >happiness being the only thing that matters at the end of our lives, as far as the individual is concerned >this is bad
Hard to say because I'm willing to bet most people who will answer were little kids, so of course life was better. I'm sure there were struggles and moronic political shit that we didn't know about. Millennials were the first generation to grow up with the internet and technology as it is, but zoomers are the first generation to grow up in THIS stage of the internet. As a teen in the 2000s being on the internet felt like a cool secret club or something. Everything felt like a new discovery, and the general vibe was that you'd be on these forums genuinely to talk about shit you like, but now almost every post people make online has the ulterior motive of getting views or being the most woke. You NEVER gave out your real identity. Pretty much everywhere online felt like Cinemaphile to some degree. As an artist you'd lose your shit if someone left you a comment and if your art showed up on someone's fan site.
I don't remember people using the word gay like that ("that's gay," etc) until hearing it on South Park (late 90s), though maybe it was a thing in other places. Does anyone remember it before South Park? I was just a kid (born 1988) so I wouldn't really know.
2 years ago
Anonymous
people have used gay as a pejorative since at least the 80. it only became looked at as a bad and bigoted thing to do so in the late oughts.
>As a teen in the 2000s being on the internet felt like a cool secret club or something. Everything felt like a new discovery, and the general vibe was that you'd be on these forums genuinely to talk about shit you like
Yeah, it was great. The internet still felt new and exciting too. Everybody was exploring this new thing together, and it was still largely separated from the real world.
It would never truly be the same, since the newness was a big element of the culture of the old internet. We already know what the internet is and what it can become, so a second internet would be different. Also, my guess is the only people interested in trying a complete separate internet though would be far weirder than the early adopters of the original internet. You'd have to find some way to attract people besides illegal activities and what not. Still could be neat, but not the same.
Better thing to do might just be trying to do more online in the spirit of the old net. Creating small fan sites, forums, etc. Push back against the consolidation of things a bit.
Its was fun. Great music, comics were just going mainstream, the cons weren't packed with normies, arcades were a thing and few people had internet access beyond AOL.
I loved being an 80s and 90s kid. Plus my collection is now insane and packed with high value keys that I paid next to nothing for.
The last decade with true genuine childhoods. Regular internet access to all ages ruined everything. Call me a boomer if you want, but you literally cannot prove me wrong.
i went from 5 to 15 through the decade and I remember it pretty well to be perfectly honest.
you have to grasp that there is a large cultural and technological delta between the early part of the decade vs the later half. there is no "One 90s". you're basically going from a pre-internet cold-war era world to the dot-com bubble and news cycles obsessed with Y2K shit.
86'er, being ages 3-13 through the 90s it took up the majority of my childhood.
The most important people in your life were your family and friends. Sure I liked 90s celebrities, but that's all they were to me and I understood they weren't my friends.
Now many kids are suckered into parasocial relationships from hack influencers who sees them as dollar signs rather than other human beings. Kids are now influenced to believe that your existence matters more based on the quantity of people who like you, regardless if you live next door or if they live on the opposite side of the coast. I remember when my 2nd grade teacher asked the class what people wanted to be when they grew up. A huge variety of answers. Doctors, Astronauts, veternarians, game developers, sports athlete, all because the kids had a genuine interest in the subject matter. There were kids who wanted to be rock stats and other roles based on popularity, but it was only a few. Now, many kids want to be a wacky social media giant, because they believe its what will make their existence matter the most, not because of ambitions to help out other people.
Before this you never understood how small your world was as an average kid. You lived in your bubble suburban town and knew the people who actually matter in your life. Were you a small fish in a big pond? Sure, but you were bilssfully unaware. The internet with flaunting how many "likes" or "followers" you have reveals how small you really are in this world and that you need people who you'll never meet or know to validate yourself.
People really did live their own bubble even in adulthood. Was crime still a thing? Of course, but it was harder to find that information, where these days outlets target you with that.
I grew up knowing all the neighbors on my street. We were a community that held annual events together. That never happens now, people not knowing who their neighbors, or even their NEXT DOOR neighbors are, and that's sad.
>Was crime still a thing? Of course, but it was harder to find that information, where these days outlets target you with that.
Can second this. The neighborhood I live and grew up in is a perfectly fine and normal neighborhood, safe at nights even. Then a year or so ago it was ranked as one of the highest and most dangerous crime filled neighborhoods in my state. It's clickbait bullshit.
Good post. Celebrities back then were bigger in some sense (can't think of anyone nowadays that compares to Arnold or Michael Jackson now), but there wasn't anything like the parasocial internet relationships. Even if you were obsessed and in a fan club or something, there was more distance. >Before this you never understood how small your world was as an average kid. You lived in your bubble suburban town and knew the people who actually matter in your life. Were you a small fish in a big pond? Sure, but you were blissfully unaware.
Yeah, this part is interesting. In the past, it was possible to be the best in your area at something while being oblivious to the fact that you suck in the grand scheme of things. Like with video games for example, you could be the best among your friends or at your local arcade and be happy about that. You didn't feel like you had to compete with the entire world. In some ways things are much better now, it's easier to exchange information and become good at things. But for better or for worse, it's harder to be an oblivious big fish in a little pond. I wonder how that affects people's psychology, having to compare themselves to the entire world.
>I wonder how that affects people's psychology, having to compare themselves to the entire world.
I think about that too, having grown up with online leaderboards but remembering a time before them. As they say, there will always be some Japanese 5-year-old who's better than you.
there was no social media, so people still went out to meet other people to frick, and it was ok to approach women in places like bus stops, or giving your number to a sexy bank clerk, because that was how people met.
You would ask a couple how they met and they would give you a story like man saw very sexy hairdresser and gifted her flowers while she was working, then she went out with him. now that kind of thing is unacceptable and people mostly meet through dating apps. approaching women in the real world is much more risky, and many jobs don't allow coworkers to date.
people also played more sports, kids had less option to entertain themselves, less distractions.
leftist people/liberals were more about being edgy and ironic and offending right wingers, now they are the complete opposite, and it's right wingers who are offensive while leftists get offended/triggered and want censorship.
rock still existed, a lot of young people tried to learn to play electric guitars, and the number of people who had been in a rock band was much greater than now, there were also musical scenes in every city. Music was more important and much more expensive too.
But rock begun to die in 1998, when Britney, Christina, Backstreet Boys and Nsync replaced Alternative rock as the mainstream genre on MTV. The period of grunge and alternative rock 1992-1997 was the last great period of rock.
What I mean is in the mid 90s people like Bjork were having platinum albums (more than 1 million 8 dollar cds, adjusted to inflation it's a lot more) in the USA, people like Tori Amos were having multiple platinum albums, and bands like Nine Inch Nails or Smashing Pumpkins were having huge selling multiple platinum albums, even Radiohead's Ok Computer was a big thing. That was the mainstream even if people called it alternative. Bands like Portishead were making millions of dollars internationally in the 90s.
A thing like that is impossible now, Rock has become an underground culturally irrelevant thing, like Jazz.
People were stressing about the Year 2000.
Berlin Wall fell so people were pumped about COMMUNISM DYING FIVE-EVER!
Some Mexican chick got blasted, Hispanics on both sides of the borders mourned.
Phones were stuck to the wall or on a table nearby it, if you left home and no one knew where, they couldn't just call you to find out; so adults would PANIC if you weren't back by sundown. Everyone had their phone numbers memorized too.
Adderall and Ritalin were the go-to drug of choice for all parents with kids that were even remotely disruptive. And in the case of Adderall this would backfire hilarious because unless you have ADHD, it just makes you fricking nutso hyper.
In the early 90's gays were still abused and demonized, but by the mid 90's it was a lot less acceptable to even say "gay.", normally I'd say "outside of Cinemaphile" but for little over a decade, Cinemaphile won't exist.
The Internet was fricking slow. In all the ways anything could be slow. But it wasn't centralized, even the search engines were different it wasn't all google (though google took over quickly.)
Social media didn't exist. Neither did search engine algorithims.
Kids (that is, us) were still insane. The Adderall didn't help with that, most of the time.
It was really charming. Just think of an era where there was no social justice and the right and the left were not dead set on trying to kill eachother. No super feminism, no influx of migrants at the borders, no race-baiting. (Although, “don’t be racist” and token minority characters were still something you’d see in this era.)
Cartoons of that era really reflect this. Compared to now, injection of something political in everything is considered to make a series good or “progressive”, at the cost of just writing something decent. 2D was king, Disney Renaissance, Cartoon Network, Disney Afternoon, and Nickelodeon were at their peaks. (Some after the 90s and into the 2000s+)
I guess as a zoomer you might be more fond of 3D. Sadly the culture shifted to all the animation being 3D very quickly, at the cost of 2D. I always believed both could coexist. Anything 3D was very ugly in the 90s.
Speaking of 2D, anime wasn’t popular at all. Like if you were into anime, you were doing illegal fansubs and getting pirated VHS tapes. It was extremely hard to get anime in English and especially quality translated manga. My first experience reading Sailor Moon, for example, was in a very, very old magazine called Mixx Zine. It was the only way to read it legally in the west. There was literally no such thing as a manga volume you could buy at the store of Sailor Moon. Dubs of any kind were also god awful. Most zoomers are blissfully unaware of how accessible everything is to them now.
>no social justice and the right and the left were not dead set on trying to kill eachother. No super feminism, no influx of migrants at the borders, no race-baiting. (Although, “don’t be racist” and token minority characters were still something you’d see in this era.)
this is entirely wrong, 90's is when political correctness showed up, Clinton blow job was the beginning of the end, super feminism was made fun of but it existed, Reagan literally gave amnesty to hundreds of thousands of illegals causing more illegals to show up, race baiting was constant, but not the same was as today, in the 90's they had upstanding brown people as an example until rap got real, real big, then it all went to shit.
There was politically correctness but god no it was not what it’s like now. We still had shock culture and humor.
We had migrants, but I’m talking about the influx Euros have had and our borders are a punchline now in the USA.
No, rap was not that big. It was considered niche just like country. Any 90s kid could tell you “I like anything but rap or country” was a popular thing to say. People actually had some taste back then. You would thankfully be mocked and questioned if you were not a black rapper. Eminem was the beginning of the end. You also weren’t cool if you didn’t like something like alternative rock.
Feminism was absolutely not batshit like it is now. Feminism was in its second wave lull. The insane version zoomers have adopted is called third wave and has completely different principals than plain old second wave feminism, which started in the 60s-70s, not the 90s.
You are grossly exaggerating the problems of the 90s. These were just problems in their infant stages. It’s not wrong to have called the 90s a second 50s. As much as people hate boomers, it was ironically boomers that created much of the culture, trying to replicate parts of their youth to give to their children.
People unironically thought they were living in the end of history where everything would be steadily improving forever.
I was just a kid so was just hearing what adults said around me, but it seemed the common view of the world was there had always been war, but then nukes were invented after ww2 so global powers had to fight for their ideology indirectly in the cold war, but then the USSR fell and the only world power left was the USA, so there would not even be small wars at all pretty soon as the whole world just gradually joined a neoliberal capitalist paradise for everyone's benefit.
Same for social issues, most adults seemed to have a live and let live attitude and thought things like racism, sexism and homophobia were over and that everyone lived in a fair meritocracy. Even if you yourself were broke you had hope your kids would have it easier if they just worked enough. Things like wars or riots on the news were interpreted as the last few dying embers of societal conflict.
Tech was also at a level to be really useful (some people started getting home computers with slow internet access so if you really wanted to you could look something up) and entertaining (fifth generation consoles, early cgi for movies, talking to strangers online was just an obscure novelty) but not so all encompassing that too many people would want to waste all their time using it for escapism like started in the 00s or became completely synonymous with the modern lifestyle like in the 10s and fried even the most normal normies brains.
People socialized outside a lot more, it was normal to just go sit around a mall with kids your age and joke around even if you hadn't met before, by the later 90s the crime rates were going down dramatically so there was less stranger danger vibes.
Then 9/11 happened and completely mentally destroyed the west, I remember hearing "all the first world countries will go to war over this, so much for end of history" everywhere.
two things are true: the 90s are being embellished by nostalgic millenials, and the internet has had some seriously negative effects on society that didnt really take hold until the 2010s. has it had a negative impact on you, specifically? if so, you should seriously take steps to only go on the web if you need a specific piece of information (weather forecasts, store hours, addresses, etc.). it doesnt even have to be a complete break from the web (although i would suggest ditching social media completely if you havent already). at the very least, you should give yourself multiple days where you dont consume a shred of modern content. watch old shows and movies, play older games if youre into that, read, etc.. your perspective will change rapidly and you'll realize that a lot of people have harmed their minds because they spend massive amounts of time consuming utterly pointless information about 'the world' (i.e. things completely beyond their control). this process isnt easy but, in my opinion, its completely worth it. I feel so much better and have a much better outlook on my life than i did a couple years ago and compared to pretty much all of my friends.
TLDR: the internet has fricked with people in a massive way and its up to you to snap out of it and reclaim your brain because participating in the nonsensical stupid culture of 2022 isn't compulsory
I think social media ruinned the internet
Before the social media you socialized outside the internet, and the internet was for stuff like news, blogs, or message boards about specific topics of interest
Now all of socialization is being done on the internet
you're moronic. you have it backwards. they tried this with catdog and ordered 100 episodes off the bat while giving spongebob like 6 episodes. catdog flopped so it didn't work
One of the great things about old UseNet posts is seeing how shows that are now hated by fans could be appreciated under different contexts. The Darkstalkers cartoon came off as the coolest thing ever to these random goth kids who'd never played the games.
Here's Bendis responding to criticism about a comic con panel he was attending. Some female convention person was complaining about the panel (which was titled something like "Female Lead's in comics from a male's perspective).
>Bendis threatening to kill himself over Liefeld's Jada Pinkett comic in 1998.
It could have changed the whole course of Big 2 comics if he actually went through with it.
>Comics "journalist" >Asking comics fans their opinions on homosexuality >So he can publicly shame those fans for not being sufficiently on-message about the gays
This guy's been active since at least 1994, too.
Based on the information, he was the biggest "Image comics praiser" that was on the rec.arts.comics.misc newsgroup, although he seemed to loosen up based on pic related
by the way, for those who don't know, the pics in this thread are from google groups, where they seem to archive some of these old newsgroups
A hold out a bastion of a bygone era that has been so twisted and warped it barely is related to what the culture once was. Like Cleopatra's Egypt or the Byzantines in the 15th century. A hold out of the old internet that only tangentially has any relation to it at all.
As a former regular on Cinemaphile, the real red/blackpill is you'd be the same in any time period just with different worries and material conditions. We'd be miserable outcasts regardless. You can't run away from yourself and all these escapist fantasies always change everything and assume the 'you' element isn't you.
Usual stuff
Get out of the cities.
Don’t get into debt buying shit.
A woman’s value decreases with age, yours increases don’t stress about finding a partner.
If I was 20 years younger I’d probably think about moving to a non western country.
Politics is the same ever repeating cycle as we whirlpool the drain, it’s not worth getting involved. At all.
Keep male company, it’s important to maintain long lasting friendships with your peers.
Basically what this now ancientgay said
>heh, unlike you Sailor Moon loving normies I only watch patrician and niche anime like Ranma!
Glad to know Cinemaphileutist types were always this superficially "contrarian".
Give him a break, it was not that easy to know and consume actual non mainstream anime in 1996
said.
The big difference was that Ranma wasn't on TV (at least in the US). You had to rent or buy tapes. Obviously Ranma was a popular anime worldwide, and still one of the biggest among shows that weren't on TV here, but you had to go through some extra effort compared to the stuff like Sailor Moon.
>Suncoast
I WANT TO GO BACK. God the world is so gay now, nothing could be going to a brick and mortar store and browsing the anime tape selection where the other nerds were and shooting the shit about the latest shows
Being an anime fan in the pre internet era was painful. Tapes were roughly $40 a pop and only had two episodes on them and that was for the official releases. Bootleg anime could almost run you $80 and the tape only had one episode on them typically
Bootlegs didn't always have subtitles either. It would be far cheaper during that time to move to Japan and become fluent in Japanese to enjoy anime, than to live in the states buying expensice VHSs for 2 episodes
>heh, unlike you Sailor Moon loving normies I only watch patrician and niche anime like Ranma!
Glad to know Cinemaphileutist types were always this superficially "contrarian".
I wonder what the actual reason for shortening the name was. I think I remember hearing somewhere that it was due to abbreviations cause by the small size of the gameboy screen?
Probably because you're used to the post-Cinemaphile approach of irony, self-awareness of cringe, and obsessions with looking cool. Back then people were just earnestly posting their hearts out and you're conditioned to find that embarrassing.
I edited extraneous text from these screencaps to focus just on this, but does anyone know what "Angela" character they are talking about here? Did Amanda Conner help Gaiman make Angela from Spawn or something? I can't find more info about whatever this person is saying.
No, in fact I'd say a lot of forums, especially in the 2000s, ran more libertarian.
Internet Communists largely became a thing because the Something Awful forum Helldump had a rageboner against lolbs/Ron Paul fanboys so a forum called Laissez's Fair was made to act as a containment but then got taken over by commies. Eventually LF got moved into a different subforum which basically meant it was on thin ice because Lowtax kept getting Secret Service visits because users were threatening to assassinate Obama. They still kept causing problems and he eventually used them posting publicly available pictures of a mod's house (the infamous Groverhaus) as an excuse to get rid of the forum claiming they were stalking/harassing mods.
With their home demolished, the internet commies of LF went to start their own forums but those would constantly die out due to infighting. Lots of arguing over who was more oppressed, lots of suicidal troons creating weird cult-like safespaces and grooming other autistis into troonery, etc. When these places died the users spread out to tumblr, twitter and the rest of the wider internet. A few of them have gone on to prominent media positions. There are a few that write as "journalists" for mainstream publications, the Chapo's Trap House people are mostly former LF posters/lurkers, etc.
commies that you'd seen on the internet around that time were most likely actual eastern bloc citizens who experienced the real thing and not pink haired college kids.
The fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the USSR was very shameful for western communists that had supported those regimes
It wasn't until the Venezuela of Chavez in the 2000s that supporting communism in public became more acceptable
I still think that for first worlders, such as Americans, communism is a mix of secular religion + fantasy ideas of a world of abundance, post scarcity, in which neets don't have to work, like an ultrascandinavian welfare state, than the actual thing people have had in the eastern bloc or cuba
>It wasn't until the Venezuela of Chavez in the 2000s that supporting communism in public became more acceptable
Reminder, in the 90's the Internet was entirely separate from Public.
just look at any "what would your life be like after the glorious communist revolution" posts, the replies are always just people doing whatever instead of having an actual job
I don't have to. I remember there were dozens of anti pokemon websites when the brand first took off and there were gifs of Pikachu dying in various ways ranging from an exploding PokeBall to a PokeBall that sprouts razors and shreds him to death
>. I remember there were dozens of anti pokemon websites when the brand first took off and there were gifs of Pikachu dying in various ways ranging from an exploding PokeBall to a PokeBall that sprouts razors and shreds him to death
Jesus. I'd roll my eyes at that as a 31 year old man, but as a 7 year old boy, that would have messed me up. Thank God I didn't have regular internet access until I was older.
Man, I wonder what it would be like to around to discuss cartoons seen as classics during their premieres.
It really fricks me up when I see old screenshots of Cinemaphile from over 10 years discussing cartoons I consider part of my childhood.
>This shows that israelites can do anything if they put their mind (and money) to it. They can take a bad show nobody likes, and shove it down everyone's throats until it's suddenly iconic and popular.
Lend Me some examples of this.
Teen Titans Go
Big Mouth
Johnny Test
Craig of the Creek
Superman and all israeli made superheroes.
>Rocket Power
>promising
This is so fricking funny. Holy shit.
Still more promising than SpongeBob was
Rocket Power is kino
I'll have to take a watch again, but I remember it being a very wholesome slice of life anime.
Honestly if you had to choose between watching
>cultural zeitgeist created by the klasky csupo powerhouse
vs
>random underwater show from a no-name animator
would you have made the right choice back in 1999?
Nick shilled CatDog more at that point and expected that to be their next cashcow.
>Catdog cash cow?
Explain to this dumb zoomer why in gods name would nick think such a generic 90s show like Catdog would be the next rugrats?
Nick thought so too, the show was heavily pushed and to some that may have given it the appearance of success.
I remember how aggressively they pushed it. I grew to hate it before it premiered and hated it more when I watched episodes. I was 9 and part of their target demo, so they failed.
>no-name animator
Stephen worked on Rocko and was basically Murray's right hand.
Klasky-Csupo shows were still top dog at the time
I always wonder what these people are up to nowadays when I see these. Maybe they are still around posting on Cinemaphile? Who knows.
I'm guessing these posters are all 40-50+ years old by now. Damn. It really makes you think.
If you look at comics and auteur cartoon circles, there's still plenty of people in their 50's and 60's still enjoying the stuff. Its not like their hobbies are suddenly gonna change. Have you guys seriously never talked to people older than 40 who watch cartoons? Even as a kid I remember my friend's dad loved watching the Fox Kids superhero cartoons.
>Have you guys seriously never talked to people older than 40 who watch cartoons?
Yes. Never had a lcs either.
I was posting on anime forums around this same period. Specifically Planet Namek and Funimation forums.
t. miserable 34 year old NEET
What did people talk about on there?
Anime Dubs being bad, rumors about the original japanese versions of x anime. We also shat on the taliban/osama bin laden/saddam hussein
That southpark scene of Cartman frickign with Bin Laden really captured the zeitgeist.
I'm barely a Cinemaphile user, I pretty much just check out xmen comics on wednesday, but Im 38 and been on the internet since 1998
At that time I posted in rock band and videogame message boards, I used the off topic sections of those boards to discuss stuff like the twin towers attack or the iraq wars
>using a Epitome of beanmouth show image
No, that's a B^U show
>Family Guy
>Beanmouth show
What?
I'm in contact with Dave Van Domelen, he's around.
What gives autists that distinct way of writing
The autism
That makes sense
>the term furry existed in 1994
Learn something new every day
The term furry has existed since the mid 70s. They were just called funny animal enjoyers before that.
Funny animal fans. "Enjoyer" is post-post-ironic nu-speak.
There is a massive story behind the furry fandom. They have existed since forever conventions and all
heh
Furries, much like anime fans, are a "branch" of sci-fi fandom that started becoming its own things in the 70's and 80's. There used to be time when furry and anime fandom were able to live in peace as they kind of were born from the same seed.
Hm. Yeah... Based.
People were doing this creepy shit when I was a 1 year old?
This! No one actually likes SpongeBob, it was a israeli trick.
Did Cinemaphile even exist in the 90s?
Did 2003 exist in the 90s?
2008 chad reporting here
moron zoomie alert wee woo wee woo
Clearly he was wondering about Ayashii World
I don't even care anon have a (you) made me kek
>t. Kim Burk
He might be the redditbob anon from Cinemaphile
Even people back then realized how fricked up this was
>1992
>people think this is real
Internet wasn't readily available to the masses until 1994 nerds.
Hanna-Barbera Boomers hated when Cartoon Network made original shows and got rid reruns of old HB shows.
They're not wrong tho
Nobody wants to watch awful '60s/'70s Hanna Barbera slop so they are.
60s HB was decent, sometimes even pretty good. 70s is when things got awful.
Nelson seems pretty based to be quite honest. He had a point about censors
This. Dude was totally in the right here by CN shills will attack him for his opinion.
Nelson is proof that d*sney shills were operating even in the early aughts, though they were probably white rather than pajeet back then.
Huh? What the hell are you talking about?
Work on your reading comprehension.
>He disagrees with my person therefore he's a disney shill
I'm not joking when I say take your meds
Apparently Nicktoons=Disney.
Notice how he doesn't mention Disney
>Nelson is proof that d*sney shills were operating even in the early aughts,
Kim Possible existed and you're barely noticing that? Disney shilled everything back then.
Both Disney and CN were getting shat on.
He's right about the hipocrisy in censoring the classics while allowing equally risky or worse so material in new stuff, but everything else is the whining of a boomer who is unwilling to even give the new stuff a chance.
>the whining of a boomer who is unwilling to even give the new stuff a chance
You sound like a whiney millennial mad because Nelson doesn't agree with you
Are you really telling me you'd take Hanna Barbera shit over the 90's Cartoon Cartoons lot
>You disagree with me so you must believe in [insert opinion I don't like here]
Just stop
you just know these are the same gays that make those schizo looney tunes threads every so often
what is it about looney tunes and HB that make people so insane
Because Looney Tunes is actually based unlike CN's original shows.
>All they air is Cartoon Cartoons
Sounds familiar doesn't it Cinemaphile/?
I would prefer nothing but TTG over constant Cartoon Cartoons. CN lost it's soul in 1995.
You're failing to see the irony. Your disdain for TTGO is no different than their disdain for CC. It's a product borne from nostalgia and a hatred of inevitable change
>disdain for TTGO
moron I have no disdain; it's false equivalence to assume that TTG is at the same level since TTG legitimately more entertaining than the cartoons.
TTG did not bring about a good, meaningful change; there's a world of a difference from focus on a series of creator driven brand new IPs and making a corporate reboot your new SpongeBob.
No because Cartoon Cartoons was a label for a variety of different shows. Much different from filling 99% of the schedule with Teen Titans Go.
>GO SOONERS!!!
Nelson was based tho I hate when an old cartoon gets replaced by a live action block or a new cartoon.
It's kind of fun to see how posts on Cinemaphile media were relatively level-headed and well written while Cinemaphile stuff were just people calling each other homosexuals and shills for the other company, same as it is today.
>Pretendo 69
Oh frick I wasn't ready
>phony playshitstation
>pretengo 69
considering the time this was written by a college student btw
Honestly never knew the "troll" terminology dated back that far. Bro couldn't even go for the incredibly low hanging Gaystation fruit. Where does the "shit" even come into play?
>anime forums were full of people crying about anime becoming mainstream
>video game forums were full of flaming and consolewars shitflinging
>comics foruns had contrarianism, boomerism and social justice gays already
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Its been like what? 2 - 3 generations of fans since these messages and its still mostly the same
In the 80’s we used to rage about what was better, Commodore 64 or Atari ST.
War never changes.
(It was the c64)
>Phony Playshitstation
Gaystation. It's right fricking there, moron.
>you're either a moron or a Black person
the way he writes that still cracks me up even having known about this post for years
The way he signs off makes me giggle every time
i bet that guy STILL posts on Cinemaphile
I really hope that's not the guy's real name. Shit like this can bite you in the ass at any given moment.
Using your real name to call people morons and Black folk online for not liking the same things as you is unfathomably based.
lol, in the 90s people traded CP with their work email addresses attached
ill take your word for it
>ECCHY
Kek
From the last couple weeks before the US changed forever too
And in less than a month a plane crashed into the twin towers
>enjoys complete shit like woody woodpecker and yogi bear yet hates 90s HB cartoons
I hate boomers
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RVLB8EY0Gco
Post the one for EEnE's premiere.
This. Still waiting.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.tv.cartoon-network/c/fVa2t-4IM4U/m/sizk_q-2SQoJ
I miss forums. Why did they become less popular? Do most people really prefer shit like Discord or Twitter?
It's the natural evolution of things. Forums themselves were the next step from Usenet groups.
Feels more like big steps back rather than evolving...
I'm sure people will say the same thing when the next thing replaces twitter and discord
I wouldn't be surprised if the next big thing is worse, the internet just keeps getting worse over time. But I also have a hard time imagining anything being shittier than Twitter
You have a very rose tinted view on Internet forums.
Forums forced you to interect with a wide variety of people compared to modern social media where you can block out anyone or anything you don't like.
This is what I miss most about forums. A forum could have so many people from different walks of life and it was conducive to discussions. Plus when someone makes a post, everyone who goes into that thread can see it - you don't need followers or upvotes or whatever to get eyes on what you say.
The biggest reason: social media happened and forums stayed very static and there was barely no innovation to keep up with the rest of the internet/social media. They ran on old software like phpBB which got very outdated in time. I didn't mind it but back in time lot of people moved to Facebook groups, and then you were the only one posting. I personally didn't want to do it because I didn't trust Facebook even back then.
people shill discord and twitter because they are run on centralized platforms.
used to be youd get banned from a forum you just found another one. but you get banned from discord you are banned from ALL discords.
>I miss forums. Why did they become less popular?
I don't. I like anonymous discussion way more as you don't get shit like some guy that's been on the forum for 8 years saying you're wrong because you have only 3 posts or getting banned because you hurt the resident sperg's feelings when you tell him he's being a gay.
Cinemaphile is better, but Discord and Reddit are worse than forums. All the negatives of Cinemaphile with none of the benefits.
Thought you guys would like this one. No boomers or anything but
A few posts later
I sincerely do not miss the days when weebs sprinkled japanese into everyday speech because it was utterly fricking moronic
I am very watashi that you feel that way daijoubu
I do. I want to go back in time and be a teenager in the early 2000s again and not pass up on an opportunity I had to get a weeb GF in 9th grade. Girl had messy hair and big ugly glasses but you could tell she had a cute face underneath them and she had fricking gigantic breasts. I think she gave me a thing for awkward girls and she was nice, if kind of shy, but I was too shy myself to ever ask her out.
Stop!!! your bweaking my kokoro!!!
It's gotten worse, even normalgays say shit like "waifu" and "nani".
what was so wrong about The Plasma Monster and The Takeover of PC7?
He sticks the landing.
>people used to put effort into their shitposts
>now they post one bait image and get 500+ replies
Devolution.
The internet moved a lot slower back then. While such a paragraph would probably just get people replying "tl;dr" these days, back then there weren't many other things worth reading/doing online. So people were more willing to read longer posts because there was nothing else around to distract them.
Crazy to think how old forum arguments could go on for weeks with the expectation that you cite your sources.
People who weren't there have no idea how much a breath of fresh air Cinemaphile was where threads and posts could be fire and forget, and the dude you just called a homosexual is your best friend in the next.
Reminds me of how the largest flame war in history was the Battlecruiser 3000AD drama which mostly consisted of Derek Smart typing novel-length rebuttals to the most innocuous shit.
I don’t think that controversy would even last a week nowadays.
Speaking of old internet arguments, I'm reminded of when people tried to avoid invoking Godwin's law. Calling your opponent a nazi wasn't the automatic path to victory; it was the moment you lost the argument.
It was only ever a thing to shut up ancient posters with ww2 parents who would constantly mention it.
Godwin actually retracted it recently because making said ridiculous comparison is now cool and trendy.
You weren't around for the post 9/11 days were you? Nazi comparisons flew around like crazy.
>This was posted a month a 4 days after I was born
Serious Mode: Zoomer here. What was life back in the 90s?
I can’t speak for everybody but for me, it was great. I was in a very famous tv show.
>I was in a very famous tv show.
Sitcom I presume?
Underrated
It sucked, don't listen to anyone here who'll try to say otherwise because they're suffering from a rose tinted view
Seriously; every 90s thread I've been has millennials praising what a peaceful utopia the 90s were.
Because millennials were children in the 90s and knew jack shit outside of their bubble
90s were pretty good though
>Soviet Union dissolved and Cold War over
>China had yet to start swinging their dick around
>No 9/11 yet
Also, turtles!
Better without you.
blissful ignorance. i mean people were homosexuals back than but atleast you stuck to your own kind and groups didint intermingle as much as they do now.
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.
Never had to worry about all this technology shit as a kid. Everything was stuck inside objects. The news stayed on the TV, video games and movies were on tapes or cartridges, you played with your friends outside and had snow days and went sledding. Never had to worry about weird gender shit or what random morons think about and their opinions just normal kid stuff. We also had magazines, you'd go to the mall on the weekends and look at animals in the pet store, go to the library or the video store to rent tapes. Drive in movies or movies at the park.
Eventually the internet became a big deal, you had to wait forever for dial up and webpages were neat and schizo. It was less stressful information wise but you still had to worry about the usual drama stuff at school and home.
youre making me nostalgic as frick anon, i miss the 90s so much.
They drown out important information by the sheer volumes these days online. Same way Gramsci described it decades ago.
Its pretty crazy, its hard to even know what's real. I remember when I was younger if you wanted to know something before the internet you had to go to the library and look through a bunch if encyclopedias alphabetically. Im 31 and still remember those blue books with the gold tree on them. Its weird how things accelerated so quickly. In just a decade we had phones and internet. Phones were more about status and just fun designs before smart phones even kicked in.
I remember reading fanfiction for the first time and seeing fanart if ff7 when it came out. but damn the load times were slow as shit.
don't forget now everyone is obsessed with having "secret information"
Loading times used to be so long that some websites would put little gag ads in during load times prior to video content. Going back trying to watch them now, if they're even still up, is a shame as you just watch everything fly by instantly.
Amazing. Everyone was happy, your only source of misery was personal problems/drama. Middle class could afford mansions, store shelves were always full, arts and entertainment were going through a boom of creativity and quality. Technology was developing rapidly. America was #1 and badass. New businesses were popping up every day. Americans were getting heavy but obesity was still rare. Unabashed and unashamed consumerism driven by prosperity. There was a lot of optimism towards the future. Politically everyone joked democrats and republicans were just the same.
It was the 2nd coming of the 1950s. What we're experiencing now is the 2nd coming of the 1970s (but worse). People say 9/11 was the end but for us at least life was continuing on as normal even by the end of the day. For me personally I started to notice a serious shift by the 2007-2009 period (Obama and his brand of politics, housing market crash, social media/smartphones, writers guild strike, etc.). Since about 2014-2016 I've noticed I can't live the same kind of life I used to. Since about 2020 I go into a grocery store and see like 20% of the shelf space empty, which is really discouraging and something you never saw in the 90s. These days, there just seems to be too many people and never enough of stuff they want.
I feel bad for zoomies to be honest. I'm in my 30s and got to live through the 90s and all of its bliss. These days, the powers that be are trying to rewrite that people were always miserable and things were always bad and we just have to accept it. But we still remember that wasn't always the case.
You realize the 90s had all-time high crime rates in the U.S. right? Social media just wasn't around the spread the misery as much.
All that was reserved to the dark hearts of the country. If you were in a good suburb or countryside you were fine.
>You realize the 90s had all-time high crime rates in the U.S. right?
At least it led to lots of cool beat em ups games and movies about beating up thugs.
the cirme still happens they just sweep it under the rug. specifically black on white crime
shit was restricted to the useless ghettos, less than 10% of the country had to deal with that shit. Now it's everywhere.
I googled 90s mall
looks shit now tho
Walk into a US grocery store now, tons of empty space even if it isn't full-on shortages. If you go into a US store (particularly later in the day on sunday after everyone picks through it) at least 20-30% will be empty and not restocked for at least a day.
It varies a lot where you go. I live in Tennessee where it isn't so bad, but if you go to like heavy populated areas of California or Texas you can have some soviet looking supermarkets by the end of the day
That seems like there’s a shortage of staff rather than goods. The shops were racing to the bottom for so long they managed to undershoot that bottom.
My California grocery store is pretty much the same as always (just way more expensive)
My dad drove around doing X-ray in a mobile van in the 90s and it was hilarious how wild things were back then
>Got jumped by some black kids yelling "I'm Rodney king homie" and narrowly escaped in his van
>Got his cars broken into 3 different times, had an expensive leather jacket, an expensive cognac and a whitesnake tape stolen
>Got patted down by cops in front of his own work place for having long hair and only didn't get arrested cuz his boss drove by and saw and vouched for him
>Had random homies drive up to him at 11 at night at the bus stop trying to sell him coke
And this was in NEW HAVEN, a city where hardly anything crazy happens these days. Also makes you realize how convenient smart phones are when you realize he had to navigate without gps and had to have a pager on him all the time and use pay phones to make calls.
Interested where you got this photo from, since you sound American but this is a local shopping mall in Australia. I initially thought this might've been an American mall that used the same template but the file name is definitely the one I recognize in Melbourne.
Either you got this from a random mall Google search or simulation theory is real.
can confirm theyre pics of a mall here in melbourne
t.someone who lives literally 10 minutes away from it
>Since about 2020 I go into a grocery store and see like 20% of the shelf space empty
WTF? I live eastern europe and never ever in my life have I seen that much shelf space empty. Even in the 90’s.
>I’m in my 30’s
Mate, it wasn’t some golden age it was shit like all the other decades the only reason I know this to be true is because I’m 10 years older than you and my childhood was good too but when I hit my 20’s I noticed things were awful.
Everyone is nostalgia for their childhood it’s always been like that, go read diaries form people in the 1800’s it’s no different
Complete hogwash from this post. Every decade sucked ass and will continue to get worse. Nothing will be done because American food portions are always huge and air conditioning keeps everyone calm and relaxed.
How do you keep evading your permabans?
You always kill topics with your presence, and this one is no exception. RIP a damn decent thread. Frick you.
>they have food and a good envinroment and are happy
>happiness being the only thing that matters at the end of our lives, as far as the individual is concerned
>this is bad
It depends what age you were back when you were in the 90s
Take comics for instance
Baby Boomers were complaining that comics weren't what they used to be
Late Gen Xers and Early Millennials were into the early 90s comics
Hard to say because I'm willing to bet most people who will answer were little kids, so of course life was better. I'm sure there were struggles and moronic political shit that we didn't know about. Millennials were the first generation to grow up with the internet and technology as it is, but zoomers are the first generation to grow up in THIS stage of the internet. As a teen in the 2000s being on the internet felt like a cool secret club or something. Everything felt like a new discovery, and the general vibe was that you'd be on these forums genuinely to talk about shit you like, but now almost every post people make online has the ulterior motive of getting views or being the most woke. You NEVER gave out your real identity. Pretty much everywhere online felt like Cinemaphile to some degree. As an artist you'd lose your shit if someone left you a comment and if your art showed up on someone's fan site.
Serbian War, Rwandan genocide, and a presidential blow job are the bad news of the 90's.
The big comic controversy in the 90's was Superman's cape getting torn and boomers throwing a shit fit over it because his cape was never torn before.
Imagine going back to the 90s and putting the gay Superman comic on the shelf
The news would have called for blood, people would hang, you know how zoomers use cringe now 90's gays used to call everything gay the exact same way.
I don't remember people using the word gay like that ("that's gay," etc) until hearing it on South Park (late 90s), though maybe it was a thing in other places. Does anyone remember it before South Park? I was just a kid (born 1988) so I wouldn't really know.
people have used gay as a pejorative since at least the 80. it only became looked at as a bad and bigoted thing to do so in the late oughts.
superman already was gay
>As a teen in the 2000s being on the internet felt like a cool secret club or something. Everything felt like a new discovery, and the general vibe was that you'd be on these forums genuinely to talk about shit you like
Yeah, it was great. The internet still felt new and exciting too. Everybody was exploring this new thing together, and it was still largely separated from the real world.
I so badly wish to return to that iteration of Internet. Can it be done? A second Internet that only nerds, outcasts, and weirdos use?
It would never truly be the same, since the newness was a big element of the culture of the old internet. We already know what the internet is and what it can become, so a second internet would be different. Also, my guess is the only people interested in trying a complete separate internet though would be far weirder than the early adopters of the original internet. You'd have to find some way to attract people besides illegal activities and what not. Still could be neat, but not the same.
Better thing to do might just be trying to do more online in the spirit of the old net. Creating small fan sites, forums, etc. Push back against the consolidation of things a bit.
I suppose that is all we can really do. It'd just be nice if we could have a fresh start without normies and corporate interests.
Exactly the same except they were less in your face about white genocide
Anything else is corn syrup addled cope
Its was fun. Great music, comics were just going mainstream, the cons weren't packed with normies, arcades were a thing and few people had internet access beyond AOL.
I loved being an 80s and 90s kid. Plus my collection is now insane and packed with high value keys that I paid next to nothing for.
It was edgy and fun
The last decade with true genuine childhoods. Regular internet access to all ages ruined everything. Call me a boomer if you want, but you literally cannot prove me wrong.
i went from 5 to 15 through the decade and I remember it pretty well to be perfectly honest.
you have to grasp that there is a large cultural and technological delta between the early part of the decade vs the later half. there is no "One 90s". you're basically going from a pre-internet cold-war era world to the dot-com bubble and news cycles obsessed with Y2K shit.
86'er, being ages 3-13 through the 90s it took up the majority of my childhood.
The most important people in your life were your family and friends. Sure I liked 90s celebrities, but that's all they were to me and I understood they weren't my friends.
Now many kids are suckered into parasocial relationships from hack influencers who sees them as dollar signs rather than other human beings. Kids are now influenced to believe that your existence matters more based on the quantity of people who like you, regardless if you live next door or if they live on the opposite side of the coast. I remember when my 2nd grade teacher asked the class what people wanted to be when they grew up. A huge variety of answers. Doctors, Astronauts, veternarians, game developers, sports athlete, all because the kids had a genuine interest in the subject matter. There were kids who wanted to be rock stats and other roles based on popularity, but it was only a few. Now, many kids want to be a wacky social media giant, because they believe its what will make their existence matter the most, not because of ambitions to help out other people.
Before this you never understood how small your world was as an average kid. You lived in your bubble suburban town and knew the people who actually matter in your life. Were you a small fish in a big pond? Sure, but you were bilssfully unaware. The internet with flaunting how many "likes" or "followers" you have reveals how small you really are in this world and that you need people who you'll never meet or know to validate yourself.
People really did live their own bubble even in adulthood. Was crime still a thing? Of course, but it was harder to find that information, where these days outlets target you with that.
I grew up knowing all the neighbors on my street. We were a community that held annual events together. That never happens now, people not knowing who their neighbors, or even their NEXT DOOR neighbors are, and that's sad.
>Was crime still a thing? Of course, but it was harder to find that information, where these days outlets target you with that.
Can second this. The neighborhood I live and grew up in is a perfectly fine and normal neighborhood, safe at nights even. Then a year or so ago it was ranked as one of the highest and most dangerous crime filled neighborhoods in my state. It's clickbait bullshit.
Good post. Celebrities back then were bigger in some sense (can't think of anyone nowadays that compares to Arnold or Michael Jackson now), but there wasn't anything like the parasocial internet relationships. Even if you were obsessed and in a fan club or something, there was more distance.
>Before this you never understood how small your world was as an average kid. You lived in your bubble suburban town and knew the people who actually matter in your life. Were you a small fish in a big pond? Sure, but you were blissfully unaware.
Yeah, this part is interesting. In the past, it was possible to be the best in your area at something while being oblivious to the fact that you suck in the grand scheme of things. Like with video games for example, you could be the best among your friends or at your local arcade and be happy about that. You didn't feel like you had to compete with the entire world. In some ways things are much better now, it's easier to exchange information and become good at things. But for better or for worse, it's harder to be an oblivious big fish in a little pond. I wonder how that affects people's psychology, having to compare themselves to the entire world.
>I wonder how that affects people's psychology, having to compare themselves to the entire world.
I think about that too, having grown up with online leaderboards but remembering a time before them. As they say, there will always be some Japanese 5-year-old who's better than you.
there was no social media, so people still went out to meet other people to frick, and it was ok to approach women in places like bus stops, or giving your number to a sexy bank clerk, because that was how people met.
You would ask a couple how they met and they would give you a story like man saw very sexy hairdresser and gifted her flowers while she was working, then she went out with him. now that kind of thing is unacceptable and people mostly meet through dating apps. approaching women in the real world is much more risky, and many jobs don't allow coworkers to date.
people also played more sports, kids had less option to entertain themselves, less distractions.
leftist people/liberals were more about being edgy and ironic and offending right wingers, now they are the complete opposite, and it's right wingers who are offensive while leftists get offended/triggered and want censorship.
rock still existed, a lot of young people tried to learn to play electric guitars, and the number of people who had been in a rock band was much greater than now, there were also musical scenes in every city. Music was more important and much more expensive too.
But rock begun to die in 1998, when Britney, Christina, Backstreet Boys and Nsync replaced Alternative rock as the mainstream genre on MTV. The period of grunge and alternative rock 1992-1997 was the last great period of rock.
I hear good new rock songs every day because I don't just listen to the radio.
What I mean is in the mid 90s people like Bjork were having platinum albums (more than 1 million 8 dollar cds, adjusted to inflation it's a lot more) in the USA, people like Tori Amos were having multiple platinum albums, and bands like Nine Inch Nails or Smashing Pumpkins were having huge selling multiple platinum albums, even Radiohead's Ok Computer was a big thing. That was the mainstream even if people called it alternative. Bands like Portishead were making millions of dollars internationally in the 90s.
A thing like that is impossible now, Rock has become an underground culturally irrelevant thing, like Jazz.
Is too much to resume. Depending on the place you were, but that's a separate topic .
Also, I sensed that first half of 90s were a last 80's extention and the second half was a pre-2000's, both eras in technologic and entertaiment.
People were stressing about the Year 2000.
Berlin Wall fell so people were pumped about COMMUNISM DYING FIVE-EVER!
Some Mexican chick got blasted, Hispanics on both sides of the borders mourned.
Phones were stuck to the wall or on a table nearby it, if you left home and no one knew where, they couldn't just call you to find out; so adults would PANIC if you weren't back by sundown. Everyone had their phone numbers memorized too.
Adderall and Ritalin were the go-to drug of choice for all parents with kids that were even remotely disruptive. And in the case of Adderall this would backfire hilarious because unless you have ADHD, it just makes you fricking nutso hyper.
In the early 90's gays were still abused and demonized, but by the mid 90's it was a lot less acceptable to even say "gay.", normally I'd say "outside of Cinemaphile" but for little over a decade, Cinemaphile won't exist.
The Internet was fricking slow. In all the ways anything could be slow. But it wasn't centralized, even the search engines were different it wasn't all google (though google took over quickly.)
Social media didn't exist. Neither did search engine algorithims.
Kids (that is, us) were still insane. The Adderall didn't help with that, most of the time.
It was really charming. Just think of an era where there was no social justice and the right and the left were not dead set on trying to kill eachother. No super feminism, no influx of migrants at the borders, no race-baiting. (Although, “don’t be racist” and token minority characters were still something you’d see in this era.)
Cartoons of that era really reflect this. Compared to now, injection of something political in everything is considered to make a series good or “progressive”, at the cost of just writing something decent. 2D was king, Disney Renaissance, Cartoon Network, Disney Afternoon, and Nickelodeon were at their peaks. (Some after the 90s and into the 2000s+)
I guess as a zoomer you might be more fond of 3D. Sadly the culture shifted to all the animation being 3D very quickly, at the cost of 2D. I always believed both could coexist. Anything 3D was very ugly in the 90s.
Speaking of 2D, anime wasn’t popular at all. Like if you were into anime, you were doing illegal fansubs and getting pirated VHS tapes. It was extremely hard to get anime in English and especially quality translated manga. My first experience reading Sailor Moon, for example, was in a very, very old magazine called Mixx Zine. It was the only way to read it legally in the west. There was literally no such thing as a manga volume you could buy at the store of Sailor Moon. Dubs of any kind were also god awful. Most zoomers are blissfully unaware of how accessible everything is to them now.
>no social justice and the right and the left were not dead set on trying to kill eachother. No super feminism, no influx of migrants at the borders, no race-baiting. (Although, “don’t be racist” and token minority characters were still something you’d see in this era.)
this is entirely wrong, 90's is when political correctness showed up, Clinton blow job was the beginning of the end, super feminism was made fun of but it existed, Reagan literally gave amnesty to hundreds of thousands of illegals causing more illegals to show up, race baiting was constant, but not the same was as today, in the 90's they had upstanding brown people as an example until rap got real, real big, then it all went to shit.
There was politically correctness but god no it was not what it’s like now. We still had shock culture and humor.
We had migrants, but I’m talking about the influx Euros have had and our borders are a punchline now in the USA.
No, rap was not that big. It was considered niche just like country. Any 90s kid could tell you “I like anything but rap or country” was a popular thing to say. People actually had some taste back then. You would thankfully be mocked and questioned if you were not a black rapper. Eminem was the beginning of the end. You also weren’t cool if you didn’t like something like alternative rock.
Feminism was absolutely not batshit like it is now. Feminism was in its second wave lull. The insane version zoomers have adopted is called third wave and has completely different principals than plain old second wave feminism, which started in the 60s-70s, not the 90s.
You are grossly exaggerating the problems of the 90s. These were just problems in their infant stages. It’s not wrong to have called the 90s a second 50s. As much as people hate boomers, it was ironically boomers that created much of the culture, trying to replicate parts of their youth to give to their children.
you say that like wiggers didn't show up in the 90's
They did. They were shunned though. Now it’s normalized and everything is blacked.
People unironically thought they were living in the end of history where everything would be steadily improving forever.
I was just a kid so was just hearing what adults said around me, but it seemed the common view of the world was there had always been war, but then nukes were invented after ww2 so global powers had to fight for their ideology indirectly in the cold war, but then the USSR fell and the only world power left was the USA, so there would not even be small wars at all pretty soon as the whole world just gradually joined a neoliberal capitalist paradise for everyone's benefit.
Same for social issues, most adults seemed to have a live and let live attitude and thought things like racism, sexism and homophobia were over and that everyone lived in a fair meritocracy. Even if you yourself were broke you had hope your kids would have it easier if they just worked enough. Things like wars or riots on the news were interpreted as the last few dying embers of societal conflict.
Tech was also at a level to be really useful (some people started getting home computers with slow internet access so if you really wanted to you could look something up) and entertaining (fifth generation consoles, early cgi for movies, talking to strangers online was just an obscure novelty) but not so all encompassing that too many people would want to waste all their time using it for escapism like started in the 00s or became completely synonymous with the modern lifestyle like in the 10s and fried even the most normal normies brains.
People socialized outside a lot more, it was normal to just go sit around a mall with kids your age and joke around even if you hadn't met before, by the later 90s the crime rates were going down dramatically so there was less stranger danger vibes.
Then 9/11 happened and completely mentally destroyed the west, I remember hearing "all the first world countries will go to war over this, so much for end of history" everywhere.
two things are true: the 90s are being embellished by nostalgic millenials, and the internet has had some seriously negative effects on society that didnt really take hold until the 2010s. has it had a negative impact on you, specifically? if so, you should seriously take steps to only go on the web if you need a specific piece of information (weather forecasts, store hours, addresses, etc.). it doesnt even have to be a complete break from the web (although i would suggest ditching social media completely if you havent already). at the very least, you should give yourself multiple days where you dont consume a shred of modern content. watch old shows and movies, play older games if youre into that, read, etc.. your perspective will change rapidly and you'll realize that a lot of people have harmed their minds because they spend massive amounts of time consuming utterly pointless information about 'the world' (i.e. things completely beyond their control). this process isnt easy but, in my opinion, its completely worth it. I feel so much better and have a much better outlook on my life than i did a couple years ago and compared to pretty much all of my friends.
TLDR: the internet has fricked with people in a massive way and its up to you to snap out of it and reclaim your brain because participating in the nonsensical stupid culture of 2022 isn't compulsory
I think social media ruinned the internet
Before the social media you socialized outside the internet, and the internet was for stuff like news, blogs, or message boards about specific topics of interest
Now all of socialization is being done on the internet
I didn't know internet forums were a thing pre-2000s
Die moron, Simpsons made fun of these people.
Same
Animaniacs too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNJ6dFwh8a4
you're moronic. you have it backwards. they tried this with catdog and ordered 100 episodes off the bat while giving spongebob like 6 episodes. catdog flopped so it didn't work
I didn’t know discussion forums existed back in ‘99. Back then I only used the internet for games and dumb crap.
One of the great things about old UseNet posts is seeing how shows that are now hated by fans could be appreciated under different contexts. The Darkstalkers cartoon came off as the coolest thing ever to these random goth kids who'd never played the games.
Being a Goth was an entirely different beast in the 90s. The flanderization of Goths into mallcore didn't happen until the 2000s.
Bendis threatening to kill himself over Liefeld's Jada Pinkett comic in 1998.
Modern day Bendis would've praised this comic
Got more from writers like Bendis? Curious.
Here is Christopher Priest explaining why more pros don't post on usenet in 1996.
Here's Bendis responding to criticism about a comic con panel he was attending. Some female convention person was complaining about the panel (which was titled something like "Female Lead's in comics from a male's perspective).
lmoa
somebody needs to tweet this shit at him
>Bendis threatening to kill himself over Liefeld's Jada Pinkett comic in 1998.
It could have changed the whole course of Big 2 comics if he actually went through with it.
Someone please draw a Jada Plinkett Smith drawn in the Liefeld style stepping on Bendis with her Liefeld blob feet as he screams in agony.
Here is Rich Johnston trying to link Image comics readers to homophobia in 1994.
>I'm a conservative
I'm guessing that Holbrook no longer works in comics, then.
>Comics "journalist"
>Asking comics fans their opinions on homosexuality
>So he can publicly shame those fans for not being sufficiently on-message about the gays
This guy's been active since at least 1994, too.
>John Holbrook
Who? Can't find any info on this guy
Based on the information, he was the biggest "Image comics praiser" that was on the rec.arts.comics.misc newsgroup, although he seemed to loosen up based on pic related
by the way, for those who don't know, the pics in this thread are from google groups, where they seem to archive some of these old newsgroups
Guys... I just realized why they call it Boomerang.
Holy shit
The boomer part or it comes back hunting us?
It makes me wonder, how will we be remembered by historian anons?
This place is already despised and misrepresented by the media as is. That will reflect in any history books
>how will we be remembered by historian anons?
Not in a good light, that's for sure.
A hold out a bastion of a bygone era that has been so twisted and warped it barely is related to what the culture once was. Like Cleopatra's Egypt or the Byzantines in the 15th century. A hold out of the old internet that only tangentially has any relation to it at all.
>usenet
>forum
have a nice day zoomer homosexual
>nick is running out of ideas
>the shiw is doomed!
He was technically right, but not for the reasons you may think.
Who's got the weird Tiny Toons shit?
There's something calming about knowing things have always been the same, shitposting wise. Makes me feel less bad about now.
As a former regular on Cinemaphile, the real red/blackpill is you'd be the same in any time period just with different worries and material conditions. We'd be miserable outcasts regardless. You can't run away from yourself and all these escapist fantasies always change everything and assume the 'you' element isn't you.
wherever you go, there you are
as they say
I wonder what this guy is up to now.
Man if he was this upset back then about anime going mainstream, he must be having a fricking coronary now.
I dunno, as a 40 year old boomer I’m just fine with everything being shit now
The frog has well and truly been boiled slowly.
Do you have any wisdom to give to us zoomer anons?
Usual stuff
Get out of the cities.
Don’t get into debt buying shit.
A woman’s value decreases with age, yours increases don’t stress about finding a partner.
If I was 20 years younger I’d probably think about moving to a non western country.
Politics is the same ever repeating cycle as we whirlpool the drain, it’s not worth getting involved. At all.
Keep male company, it’s important to maintain long lasting friendships with your peers.
Basically what this now ancientgay said
#14 is weirdly Zen.
Posting on Cinemaphile about how isekai is ruining anime
>heh, unlike you Sailor Moon loving normies I only watch patrician and niche anime like Ranma!
Glad to know Cinemaphileutist types were always this superficially "contrarian".
Give him a break, it was not that easy to know and consume actual non mainstream anime in 1996
Yeah what
said.
The big difference was that Ranma wasn't on TV (at least in the US). You had to rent or buy tapes. Obviously Ranma was a popular anime worldwide, and still one of the biggest among shows that weren't on TV here, but you had to go through some extra effort compared to the stuff like Sailor Moon.
>Suncoast
I WANT TO GO BACK. God the world is so gay now, nothing could be going to a brick and mortar store and browsing the anime tape selection where the other nerds were and shooting the shit about the latest shows
Being an anime fan in the pre internet era was painful. Tapes were roughly $40 a pop and only had two episodes on them and that was for the official releases. Bootleg anime could almost run you $80 and the tape only had one episode on them typically
Bootlegs didn't always have subtitles either. It would be far cheaper during that time to move to Japan and become fluent in Japanese to enjoy anime, than to live in the states buying expensice VHSs for 2 episodes
>NOOOO people can't just like the things that I liked first
I will never understand this mentality.
Because new fans are plastic and ruin the original fandom with their homosexualry. Consider Marvel pre MCU and Marvel post MCU
Yes
>9000 messages
The more things change, the more they stay the same
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/222261431/
A thread from some guy who went through a newspaper archive to find old newspaper articles talking about anime.
Very interesting stuff.
I wonder what the actual reason for shortening the name was. I think I remember hearing somewhere that it was due to abbreviations cause by the small size of the gameboy screen?
Japan just really likes doing that.
They were afraid it would infringe on the trademark of "Monsters in my Pocket".
they're right
Something about the way people typed in the 90s was so performative and annoying
Probably because you're used to the post-Cinemaphile approach of irony, self-awareness of cringe, and obsessions with looking cool. Back then people were just earnestly posting their hearts out and you're conditioned to find that embarrassing.
I edited extraneous text from these screencaps to focus just on this, but does anyone know what "Angela" character they are talking about here? Did Amanda Conner help Gaiman make Angela from Spawn or something? I can't find more info about whatever this person is saying.
I think it's Angela Anaconda?
first few episodes of S1SB were shit
you know I'm right and those guys 20 years ago were right
I find myselft not enjoying Spongebob S1 and part of S3 that much, if I'm being completeky honest.
S2 is the only one I'd consider "kino".
Were commies anywhere near as presenting annoying on forums as they are on Twitter nowadays?
No, in fact I'd say a lot of forums, especially in the 2000s, ran more libertarian.
Internet Communists largely became a thing because the Something Awful forum Helldump had a rageboner against lolbs/Ron Paul fanboys so a forum called Laissez's Fair was made to act as a containment but then got taken over by commies. Eventually LF got moved into a different subforum which basically meant it was on thin ice because Lowtax kept getting Secret Service visits because users were threatening to assassinate Obama. They still kept causing problems and he eventually used them posting publicly available pictures of a mod's house (the infamous Groverhaus) as an excuse to get rid of the forum claiming they were stalking/harassing mods.
With their home demolished, the internet commies of LF went to start their own forums but those would constantly die out due to infighting. Lots of arguing over who was more oppressed, lots of suicidal troons creating weird cult-like safespaces and grooming other autistis into troonery, etc. When these places died the users spread out to tumblr, twitter and the rest of the wider internet. A few of them have gone on to prominent media positions. There are a few that write as "journalists" for mainstream publications, the Chapo's Trap House people are mostly former LF posters/lurkers, etc.
Damn, my personal theory that Something Awful ruined the internet has even more proof then.
moron, SA was the primordial ooze that birthed Cinemaphile.
Both can be true
commies that you'd seen on the internet around that time were most likely actual eastern bloc citizens who experienced the real thing and not pink haired college kids.
The fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the USSR was very shameful for western communists that had supported those regimes
It wasn't until the Venezuela of Chavez in the 2000s that supporting communism in public became more acceptable
I still think that for first worlders, such as Americans, communism is a mix of secular religion + fantasy ideas of a world of abundance, post scarcity, in which neets don't have to work, like an ultrascandinavian welfare state, than the actual thing people have had in the eastern bloc or cuba
>It wasn't until the Venezuela of Chavez in the 2000s that supporting communism in public became more acceptable
Reminder, in the 90's the Internet was entirely separate from Public.
just look at any "what would your life be like after the glorious communist revolution" posts, the replies are always just people doing whatever instead of having an actual job
Most "commies" I knew in the 2000s were just attracted to the aesthetic and music. Usually a teen phase they grew out of.
>Tfw one day people will screenshot this thread and lol at how old and wrinkly / dead we must all be.
Was this guy right?
found this while reading about the worst comic book ideas a while ago
Remember waggytoons?
This is the third or so post of this nature ITT but I sure do wonder what he's doing now.
>e621
>1 result
>doesn't even look like her
>not even porn
sigh
Yeah, i remember.
Imagine these Gen X teens & young adults shittalking us Millennials & how much we obsess over grossout humor & Pokemon.
I mean isn't that what they do here?
>Imagine
I don't have to. I remember there were dozens of anti pokemon websites when the brand first took off and there were gifs of Pikachu dying in various ways ranging from an exploding PokeBall to a PokeBall that sprouts razors and shreds him to death
>. I remember there were dozens of anti pokemon websites when the brand first took off and there were gifs of Pikachu dying in various ways ranging from an exploding PokeBall to a PokeBall that sprouts razors and shreds him to death
Jesus. I'd roll my eyes at that as a 31 year old man, but as a 7 year old boy, that would have messed me up. Thank God I didn't have regular internet access until I was older.
Man, I wonder what it would be like to around to discuss cartoons seen as classics during their premieres.
It really fricks me up when I see old screenshots of Cinemaphile from over 10 years discussing cartoons I consider part of my childhood.
The same discussions we have now. Before Teen Titans Go the whipping boy of Cinemaphile was Johnny Test for example
It really fricks me up when I see new posts on Cinemaphile saying cartoons from 10 years ago were part of their childhood.
You son of a b***h.
>yoyr screencaps
I think you meant to say your
I just want to say that I really liked this thread, every post was fun to read and I wish every anon here a good day