Would be better with different colors. Silver and red, black and white, blue and black. Anything but purple and fricking green and black. Doesn't look 'Spider-Man' for his literal clone.
Nothing about Teen Titans Academy works on paper. It's a stupid premise from the ground up. The Titans launching a school is antithetical to the core concept of the Teen Titans franchise. The Teen Titans was the original sidekicks deciding to work independently from their adult mentors. The most popular version of the franchise was about a group of young adults coming together and forming a new family as they grew into adulthood together. None of that at any point leads to turning around and opening a school for the next generation of heroes. And none of them are qualified educators. Some of them (Beast Boy, Raven) shouldn't be allowed within 1000 meters of children.
Why do they keep trying to have the Titans be teachers like the X-Men?
Because most people have the misconception that the Teen Titans are "DC's X-Men" because they blew up around the same time and also because Claremont and Wolfman are very similar writers with very similar sensibilities.
But that's kinda where the start and end. Concept-wise the Titans are closer to something like Fantastic Four or even the MCU Guardians of the Galaxy than X-Men.
Then they should rip off a better concept.
The broad strokes of Hickman's X-Men could have been copied over to the latest Titans reboot, minus the ethnostate.
Lilith comes to Nightwing with premonitions of a great evil, an insurmountable threat, just on the horizon. With the Justice League just disbanded, Nightwing rapidly expands the footprint of the Titans using morally dubious methods to expand their power and influence. The main Titans book becomes Nightwing and a rotating cast of characters building out the new status quo in the different traditional of the DCU (Cosmic/Sci-Fi, Magic/Horror, Covert Ops/War, trad. superheroics, etc.). Spin-off titles or minis (Team Titans, Terror Titans, New Titans, Titans GO!) where necessary.
What you are pitching is closer to Hickman's Avengers than Hickman's X-Men (both of them were likely just Hickman repurposing his Legion of Super-Heroes ideas either way).
>the alleged son of Nightwing
I remember the confusion from when that panel was leaked and everyone truly thought he was Dick's son for a while, just for him to say in the very next page: >Dude we've done DNA tests, I'm not your dad
He was probably really meant to be Dick's son in 5G, but since they had to repurpose that story for the present day, they had to change it.
>lets put all our Batgirls in a single book >they're all roommates for some reason >Babs is now a scolding spinster who does nothing >Cass is completely out of character and rarely gets to fight >Steph is moronic >strong first person narration prior series were known for replaced with an omniscient 3rd person narrator who won't shut up >plot revolves around the remnants of a cancelled event >main villain knows their identities, where they live, can access all their systems, and hijack any communication device at will but does nothing >supporting cast nowhere to be found
Batgirls was a genuinely impressive failure at comic writing.
>finally introduce Red X into the DCU >skip over his origin with Dick creating it >say there were 4 Red Xs now >the new one has electric powers for some reason
It was such a mess.
Then they should rip off a better concept.
The broad strokes of Hickman's X-Men could have been copied over to the latest Titans reboot, minus the ethnostate.
Lilith comes to Nightwing with premonitions of a great evil, an insurmountable threat, just on the horizon. With the Justice League just disbanded, Nightwing rapidly expands the footprint of the Titans using morally dubious methods to expand their power and influence. The main Titans book becomes Nightwing and a rotating cast of characters building out the new status quo in the different traditional of the DCU (Cosmic/Sci-Fi, Magic/Horror, Covert Ops/War, trad. superheroics, etc.). Spin-off titles or minis (Team Titans, Terror Titans, New Titans, Titans GO!) where necessary.
rolling other characters into the titans has been cancer on every front. It was cancer for the young justice kids, Damian and his replacement zoomers, and it would be just as bad for Jason. The franchise is cursed for whatever reason
>Damian and his replacement zoomers
The worst part of that was that the whole point of that book was to portray Damian as an irredeemable butthole to set him up as the villain of 5G, those Teen Titans weren't even friends, it was a straight up joyless book.
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To be fair, if in 20 years of existence a character's only person arc is being an butthole->learns to not be an butthole->is immediately back to being an butthole then you might as well embrace the character as an butthole. The problem is that Damian was not an entertaining butthole.
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>you might as well embrace the character as an butthole
No, then you're supposed to stop doubling down, specially on making him a villain when his whole character is about redemption and NOT following the evil path that was set up for him, he was doing actual villainous shit in that book, from mind rape to secret prisons and attempted murder.
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No, I'm saying that it's okay to have a good guy who is an butthole, not that there idea to make him a villain was good.
Pic very fricking related, by the way. If Heroes in Crisis was literally ONLY about various characters going to therapy and working through their traumas, that could've been fantastic. But no, they just had to do the godawful murder mystery plot. Frick that.
This was probably the most blatant 5G leftover during that era of DC, along with the Suicide Squad run where Waller went multiversal.
They even dragged Billy into that mess, as if he was some Titans character, shit was fricking stupid.
>Red X 1: Dick >Red X 4: Brick
I kinda wonder what Sheridan's plans were for the identities of 2 and 3, I don't exactly want him to write a sequel to this shit, or anything at all really, but I am kinda curious.
If I had to make a wild guess I'd say they were probably meant to be Grant Wilson and Jason Todd.
Granted, I've only really skimmed through the series, but they specifically say that that Red X, the one who manipulated Brick, is the second one, the one who originally stole the identity from Dick.
Red X 2 was said to be dead. Their identity was never revealed.
Red X 3 is the one who manipulated Brick. I assume he's meant to be Grant.
Granted, I've only really skimmed through the series, but they specifically say that that Red X, the one who manipulated Brick, is the second one, the one who originally stole the identity from Dick.
The first Red X is Dick, the second is probably Grant, the fourth is Brick, and the third Red X exists so people can continue to speculate that Jason Todd was Red X in the cartoon. (NOTE; It wasn't)
Everything regarding this era of Cable to be honest >OK so Cable's long mission to kill Apocalypse is over, blue man bit the dust >cool >So Cable decides to continue his mission by fighting in real wars >cool >So Cable first fights these rebels in Peru from overtaking the government >but isn't Cable raised by rebe- >And these rebels are communists and communism is the ultimate form of Xavier's dream >but I only understood that by reading your pitch, the comic doesn't actually show thi- >And just like Xavier's dream communism doesn't really work, which is why Cable teaches the children the Askani Way(tm) instead >but the Askani were rebels, won't the kids also become rebe- >And once his business in Peru is over, he heads to Kosovo... >ok >...where he is preventing an ethnic cleansing of ethnic albanians >what the frick >Oh and he is going up against an ethnic albanian scientist who is mass cloning ethnic albanians in order to prevent them from having their history erased >what >Anyways here are some other arcs you will see... >ok >The first arc is Cable demanding that the Japanese government acknowledge the Rape of Nanking after he finds a mass grave in China, which ends with him fighting Sunfire, the Japanese nationalist >what the frick >And the second arc is after Cable's actions around the world causes people to embrace the Askani Way(tm) he teams up with Rachel Summers to start a school where they can teach people the Askani Way(tm) >wait why are you making him a teacher no- >But these two arcs will not happen anymore, because the writer left after the second arc
And that is just under Tischman, it gets even worse under Macan
>So Cable first fights these rebels in Peru from overtaking the government >And these rebels are communists
Based Cable killing the remnants of sendero luminoso
Giving Star-Lord a solo comic isn't an inherently bad idea.
But as I recall, the comic went all in on SYNERGY and the lame stuff going on in the GOTG book. Wasn't really in line with his earlier solo stuff.
Was this the book that partially led into Immortal Hulk?
I know there were at least 2 "ghost of Hulk" or undead Hulk stories between CW2 and Immortal and I think Starlord was in one of them?
DC should do an in-universe Red X miniseries set during the New Teen Titans era.
Why didn't they ever bother? Set it around the Vigilante/Judas Contract early 80s era.
I know that this is not a comic per se and more of an event, but I was pretty intrigued by the idea of a Scarecrow centric event, but the entire event was a total mess. All of the books were out of sync with one another. Nightwing, which in my opinion fared the best out of all of the titles in the event, had a totally different villain from the main Batman title. The main title by Tynion moved at a snails pace and was unbearable. All around maybe the worst event I had ever read up to that point.
Chasm is my favorite Spider-suit design thus far.
How would you make it work?
Would be better with different colors. Silver and red, black and white, blue and black. Anything but purple and fricking green and black. Doesn't look 'Spider-Man' for his literal clone.
Nothing about Teen Titans Academy works on paper. It's a stupid premise from the ground up. The Titans launching a school is antithetical to the core concept of the Teen Titans franchise. The Teen Titans was the original sidekicks deciding to work independently from their adult mentors. The most popular version of the franchise was about a group of young adults coming together and forming a new family as they grew into adulthood together. None of that at any point leads to turning around and opening a school for the next generation of heroes. And none of them are qualified educators. Some of them (Beast Boy, Raven) shouldn't be allowed within 1000 meters of children.
What did Garfield do
He's a sex pest. The creepy one you don't leave your kids around.
He ate the lasagna
he's the worst character
Eat all the lasagna.
The whole Titans Academy thing was obviously meant to exist in the whole 5G future that we never got.
Agreed.
Because most people have the misconception that the Teen Titans are "DC's X-Men" because they blew up around the same time and also because Claremont and Wolfman are very similar writers with very similar sensibilities.
But that's kinda where the start and end. Concept-wise the Titans are closer to something like Fantastic Four or even the MCU Guardians of the Galaxy than X-Men.
What you are pitching is closer to Hickman's Avengers than Hickman's X-Men (both of them were likely just Hickman repurposing his Legion of Super-Heroes ideas either way).
It really doesn't make sense. They should've just had Red X in Nightwing's solo.
Red X isn't a Nightwing character. They are a Teen Titans character.
His entire character in the book revolved around being the alleged son of Nightwing. It should've just been a story arc in his solo.
>the alleged son of Nightwing
I remember the confusion from when that panel was leaked and everyone truly thought he was Dick's son for a while, just for him to say in the very next page:
>Dude we've done DNA tests, I'm not your dad
He was probably really meant to be Dick's son in 5G, but since they had to repurpose that story for the present day, they had to change it.
Well, the Teen Titans franchise fricking sucks, there's the problem.
my interest sunk once Jorge stopped doing interiors.
>lets put all our Batgirls in a single book
>they're all roommates for some reason
>Babs is now a scolding spinster who does nothing
>Cass is completely out of character and rarely gets to fight
>Steph is moronic
>strong first person narration prior series were known for replaced with an omniscient 3rd person narrator who won't shut up
>plot revolves around the remnants of a cancelled event
>main villain knows their identities, where they live, can access all their systems, and hijack any communication device at will but does nothing
>supporting cast nowhere to be found
Batgirls was a genuinely impressive failure at comic writing.
>>main villain knows their identities, where they live
It was also fun to see Killer Moth dab on Cass, literally and figuratively.
>finally introduce Red X into the DCU
>skip over his origin with Dick creating it
>say there were 4 Red Xs now
>the new one has electric powers for some reason
It was such a mess.
>>the new one has electric powers for some reason
Wait, Red X was a black dude?
Nah, he was just a random meta kid from an abusive household that Red X 2 manipulated.
this was a blunder, very few people know how to write The Riddler
So, an even more pathetic version of My Hero Academia?
Why do they keep trying to have the Titans be teachers like the X-Men?
because the Titans are creatively bankrupt and apparently nobody knows what to do with a team of young adult superheroes
because they think teen heroes need guidance and the school thing is extremely easy and good for stories
Because copying X Men worked 40 years ago.
Then they should rip off a better concept.
The broad strokes of Hickman's X-Men could have been copied over to the latest Titans reboot, minus the ethnostate.
Lilith comes to Nightwing with premonitions of a great evil, an insurmountable threat, just on the horizon. With the Justice League just disbanded, Nightwing rapidly expands the footprint of the Titans using morally dubious methods to expand their power and influence. The main Titans book becomes Nightwing and a rotating cast of characters building out the new status quo in the different traditional of the DCU (Cosmic/Sci-Fi, Magic/Horror, Covert Ops/War, trad. superheroics, etc.). Spin-off titles or minis (Team Titans, Terror Titans, New Titans, Titans GO!) where necessary.
Titan needs new faces, replace Dick with Jason, Donna with Artemis. It's a beginning!
rolling other characters into the titans has been cancer on every front. It was cancer for the young justice kids, Damian and his replacement zoomers, and it would be just as bad for Jason. The franchise is cursed for whatever reason
>Damian and his replacement zoomers
The worst part of that was that the whole point of that book was to portray Damian as an irredeemable butthole to set him up as the villain of 5G, those Teen Titans weren't even friends, it was a straight up joyless book.
To be fair, if in 20 years of existence a character's only person arc is being an butthole->learns to not be an butthole->is immediately back to being an butthole then you might as well embrace the character as an butthole. The problem is that Damian was not an entertaining butthole.
>you might as well embrace the character as an butthole
No, then you're supposed to stop doubling down, specially on making him a villain when his whole character is about redemption and NOT following the evil path that was set up for him, he was doing actual villainous shit in that book, from mind rape to secret prisons and attempted murder.
No, I'm saying that it's okay to have a good guy who is an butthole, not that there idea to make him a villain was good.
Fair enough, Damian should always have some edge.
Replace two of the founding Titans with... not Titans? Your idea is shit. It's like the Tim Drake and Damian Wayne teams. Literally who cares?
Because there's not much left for them to go to.
Instead they are stuck in arrested development.
Oh god, we could be here all fricking day.
Pic very fricking related, by the way. If Heroes in Crisis was literally ONLY about various characters going to therapy and working through their traumas, that could've been fantastic. But no, they just had to do the godawful murder mystery plot. Frick that.
This was probably the most blatant 5G leftover during that era of DC, along with the Suicide Squad run where Waller went multiversal.
They even dragged Billy into that mess, as if he was some Titans character, shit was fricking stupid.
>Titan Tower falls on them
>"uhhh the only way to save them is to fuse them into one horrible Frankenstein abomination"
This was comedy gold actually.
Wait, the funniest thing actually was that they rebuilt this shitty tower just in time for it to be destroyed again in Dark Crisis.
When they had that zoomer homosexual call out JK Rowling as "problematic" In the very first issue, I know I would miss nothing by not reading this.
Only thing I remember from this is the NB mannequin
>Red X 1: Dick
>Red X 4: Brick
I kinda wonder what Sheridan's plans were for the identities of 2 and 3, I don't exactly want him to write a sequel to this shit, or anything at all really, but I am kinda curious.
If I had to make a wild guess I'd say they were probably meant to be Grant Wilson and Jason Todd.
Red X 2 was said to be dead. Their identity was never revealed.
Red X 3 is the one who manipulated Brick. I assume he's meant to be Grant.
Granted, I've only really skimmed through the series, but they specifically say that that Red X, the one who manipulated Brick, is the second one, the one who originally stole the identity from Dick.
>Nightwings not your dad
Isn't dick like late 20s at most? Did he get some girl pregnant at 13?
Nightwing being his dad probably would've made more sense if this took place in the 5G future when Dick is older.
The first Red X is Dick, the second is probably Grant, the fourth is Brick, and the third Red X exists so people can continue to speculate that Jason Todd was Red X in the cartoon. (NOTE; It wasn't)
>this will go down as yet another abandoned plot
I don't mind, Sheridan isn't a good writer.
Good. The Red X shit was embarrassingly bad. Why make fricking three extra ones.
Everything regarding this era of Cable to be honest
>OK so Cable's long mission to kill Apocalypse is over, blue man bit the dust
>cool
>So Cable decides to continue his mission by fighting in real wars
>cool
>So Cable first fights these rebels in Peru from overtaking the government
>but isn't Cable raised by rebe-
>And these rebels are communists and communism is the ultimate form of Xavier's dream
>but I only understood that by reading your pitch, the comic doesn't actually show thi-
>And just like Xavier's dream communism doesn't really work, which is why Cable teaches the children the Askani Way(tm) instead
>but the Askani were rebels, won't the kids also become rebe-
>And once his business in Peru is over, he heads to Kosovo...
>ok
>...where he is preventing an ethnic cleansing of ethnic albanians
>what the frick
>Oh and he is going up against an ethnic albanian scientist who is mass cloning ethnic albanians in order to prevent them from having their history erased
>what
>Anyways here are some other arcs you will see...
>ok
>The first arc is Cable demanding that the Japanese government acknowledge the Rape of Nanking after he finds a mass grave in China, which ends with him fighting Sunfire, the Japanese nationalist
>what the frick
>And the second arc is after Cable's actions around the world causes people to embrace the Askani Way(tm) he teams up with Rachel Summers to start a school where they can teach people the Askani Way(tm)
>wait why are you making him a teacher no-
>But these two arcs will not happen anymore, because the writer left after the second arc
And that is just under Tischman, it gets even worse under Macan
>So Cable first fights these rebels in Peru from overtaking the government
>And these rebels are communists
Based Cable killing the remnants of sendero luminoso
This should have came out when the 3rd Harry Potter film came out. They missed the boat on the magic school genre.
>Let's rip ourselves off
>But it's 2020
MHA was already falling in popularity
Giving Star-Lord a solo comic isn't an inherently bad idea.
But as I recall, the comic went all in on SYNERGY and the lame stuff going on in the GOTG book. Wasn't really in line with his earlier solo stuff.
Was this the book that partially led into Immortal Hulk?
I know there were at least 2 "ghost of Hulk" or undead Hulk stories between CW2 and Immortal and I think Starlord was in one of them?
>Let's rip off Wolverine teacher days
>But make it worse
And they did it because MHA was popular
you mean jason aaron run?
DC should do an in-universe Red X miniseries set during the New Teen Titans era.
Why didn't they ever bother? Set it around the Vigilante/Judas Contract early 80s era.
Believe it or not Marv Wolfman himself was actually going to write exactly that before it fell apart due to editorial shake-ups.
Source? I don't want to say it would be good but at least it would be competently written.
Sheridan said it in his Twitter account. It seems like he deleted it though.
Gordon as Batman could have been a fantastic character study on both Jim and Bruce but was just kind of silly.
I liked it
It just felt like a big missed opportunity to me. Mr Bloom was cool though.
At least it introduced Mr. Bloom.
Mr Bloom sucks major dong
Agree to disagree.
I am so lost on what the frick is happening with the Titans
What if Red X was a girl Dick fricked and dumped? I don't know, a blonde named Lori
Lori broke up with him.
I know that this is not a comic per se and more of an event, but I was pretty intrigued by the idea of a Scarecrow centric event, but the entire event was a total mess. All of the books were out of sync with one another. Nightwing, which in my opinion fared the best out of all of the titles in the event, had a totally different villain from the main Batman title. The main title by Tynion moved at a snails pace and was unbearable. All around maybe the worst event I had ever read up to that point.