Bet you’ve wondered now that we are approaching the ten year anniversary of the first teaser for The Force Awakens what happened behind the scenes along the way. Why this was a colossal shit show of epic proportions. Why you thought the story was going one way for it to change drastically film to film. What plot points were always set in stone.
I was there for all of it. I’m writing a book about everything that went down so consider this a free taste. What are your burning questions?
I’ll start you out. The number one goal we set out to achieve we did not accomplish. The story of the sequel trilogy was born by asking the question: What if Luke Skywalker was born evil? And the first character we created was Kylo Ren.
Can I direct a Star Wars movie?
Ten years ago I’d have laughed at you for asking this question. Today? Do you have an even slightly arts related degree, hate the eighties and everything revered in it with a burning passion and maybe sexually experimented in college with the same sex? Send in your resume and your pitch for your non binary polyamorous main character.
Nope, I was not wondering at all.
Why did they throw out George's treatments for the sequels?
Because they were total dogshit. George wanted the Goonies in space. He wanted all the main characters to be literal children and go on this adventure of a scavenger hunt finding relics from the OT along the way, accidentally run into a very powerful bounty Hunter looking for Luke Skywalker, outwit her and find him themselves, then he would train them to be Jedi in the next two films.
Not even close to George's treatments.
I was only in the room when he pitched it but go off dude
Either way you claim Lucas' treatments was dogshit yet you shared ideas that were even more dogshit than his
Yeah well my dad works at Nintendo and he says George pitched it like the other anon said.
This actually sounds kino, especially compared to the dog shit pile yidsney gave us
That sounds like a decent way to continue it, if anything.
That sounds better than what we got
Isn’t skeleton crew gonna be goonies in space essentially? Is it a repurposed Lucas treatment?
No one would be mad if this was done well. Who was this bounty hunter?
Basically Darth Talon. Lucas had Sofia Boutella in mind to play her.
Huh. You actually might be telling the truth. Shame you've been a shining example of Lucasfilm not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground.
So you're plan was to make Rey's soul loss in the trilogy not being able to sway Kylo? TLJ unchanged? And you think the reception would have changed?
You're astounding in your moronation
>Sofia Boutella in mind to play Talon
Actual good casting. Meanwhile you had Kiera Knightly but mid and a lanky goblin as you Chad & Stacy Twilight romance.
Significantly better than what we got.
I like that idea. Unpopular opinion maybe but Jake Lloyd and kid Boba are two of my favorite Star Wars characters. These are movies for kids AND adults, so it needs afew kid actors too.
I agree, that would have been way better than what we got.
It's definitely better than whatever OP is describing.
So its more like dragonball gt?
Cast a group of good child actors with chemistry and that's gold right there.
Do you have any more details, if you're privy to more? In interviews, George said that his sequels would focus more on the microbial world of the Force, midichlorians and the Whills, etc., and Darth Maul would be back, alongside Talon.
>trusting the unreliable narrator of George Lucas
He changes his mind all the time.
Yeah, i think he had some guidelines in his mind about the PT, but i have read like 4 versions of his ST
Way better than Reyverse. I actually love it.
Yeah.Sounds like rubish.
My take:
Ep 1 should have been luke and han looking for ben, with plenty of camaraderie and old man jokes. They find Rey on the way and she is like Ed from cowboy bebop but instead of a dog shr has the ball robot, thst she doesnt stop modifying during the whole movie (great for toys and comedic effect as she chases the robot to experience with it. She also shows unconcious actitude for the force. They discover Ben, the first order stuff and shit goes down on a coup the etat from empire remands (thranw?), they go into hidding. Leia dies.
Ep 2: still hidding several years after, rey is still kirky but more tempered, luke trains while she helps with the maintenance and learns to pilot. Ben finds them and captures them. Han and her try to escape with the help of two prisioners, the hardass old renegade stormyrooper and a whimpy pilot. dies, luke dies against the big bad guy. The other two prisioners were going to escape alone but pitty her and save her at the end. Kilo can kill her but thanks to the remorse of killing han (it was an accident) he lets her escape.
Ep 3. Rey is a full jedi, almost no kirks anymore but still afable and nice in general. excelent mechanic and good pilot by now thanks to her time with OG characyers. She is with the resistance and the 2 misfits from ep 2. She wants to go save ben because he saw the good in him, during the trip the other 2 that feel responsible for her accompany her, yaba yaba, she ends in front of the big bad guy that has a plan to destroy all the republic remainds for once. Ben helps her at the end and they defeat the guy. we discover he wants even so bad, just preparing for something worse
There, how to make a powerful female over time, sell toys and have a nice cast for the next movies. I'd take my millions in cash, please
>my take
>han and luke
Already bad. Make a new story with new characters, not with those grandpas.
Shut the frick up. Let's see you make a better story than mine, neckbeard.
I agree, but I'm just shighly modifying the current one to make it better.
If it were for me I'd have adapted KOTOR and the best parts of the EU snd call it a day. Specially I'd not have used the same time frame as the existing movies, shit was just confusing
>George wanted the Goonies in space
t. cretan
If Disneed had only rehashed Indiana Jones in space they would have spared themselves a lot of mediocre box office returns vis-a-vis the OT & Prequels. George's sequel treatments weren't shit, the people tasked with potentially executing them are functionally illiterate as NuWars bears out.
>the people tasked with potentially executing them are functionally illiterate as NuWars bears out.
Yeah we can see that in OP's posts.
Sounds 1000 times better than what we got. Are you an idiot? Do you lick Kathy's feet?
>Bet you’ve wondered now that we are approaching the ten year anniversary of the first teaser for The Force Awakens what happened behind the scenes along the way.
No, not really.
>shitshow
They killed Han in 7, killed Luke in 8, killed Leia in 9 and now Palpatine is all the Jedi. Seems everything went exactly according to plan.
>The story of the sequel trilogy was born by asking the question: What if Luke Skywalker was born evil?
they didn't even plan past force awakens and it's painfully obvious
Yes we did. The plan was not stuck to but we set out with one.
Searching for Luke was George's idea then? Where did Rey come from?
We came up with Rey as we looked at historical accounts of real empires falling and societies being rebuilt from that. We played around with her just being some random but we felt she needed some kind of tie to the bigger picture. JJ came in one morning and gave us a long presentation about what happens to the family members of royal families in revolutions and how surviving members go into hiding and love modest lives to avoid detection, we studied theories of Anastasia surviving, the theories put forth that there are descendants of Hitler out there today who may not even know and we decided early on she would be a descendant of a high ranking imperial but struggle dot attach her to Tarkin or others and as the story developed and we made Kylo and Rey become very intertwined in the other’s fate, JJ said we should just make her a Palpatine.
Terrible decision on JJ’s part. Anyway what’s with the obsession with desert planets? Rey is from a clone of tattooine, they go to another planet in ROS with the dancing alien festival, etc. Why not have more settings like Coruscant, Naboo, or Bespin that feel like actual societies?
This is all bullshit. George's pitch had a female named Kira who became later Rey in JJ's hands.
>In The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, two characters appear in concept art as possibly being the main protagonists of Michael Arndt’s original script draft (and therefore Lucas’s story). These are likely the young teenage characters that Lucas’s story revolved around. Kira is a girl wielding a lightsaber, and Sam is a boy with a resemblance to a young Han Solo. Both appear to be in their mid-late teens
How the frick did Fin happen? A storm trooper defector is a recipe for a grizzled bad ass character and they turned him into an absolute joke instead. What was their thought process?
>We can't allow ANY male character to be cool, even a black man
?
Finn and Poe were originally supposed to be one character, with that character being rescued by a Resistance Pilot who would die in the TIE Fighter crash. We were in serious talks at one point to have Ryan Gosling play that pilot. Oscar Isaac was just going to play Finn but Boyega had impressed in auditions with his comedic timing and studio wanted him in the movie. Gosling backed out, Isaac was moved to the pilot role and the original Stormtrooper defector was split in two characters, his badass side being Poe and his quips being Finn.
Poe wasn't even really cool, though. I mean, there were elements of his character that might've been cool, had he been allowed to do anything impressive, but he was constantly undercut and emasculated by the girlbosses in the movie. The Last Jedi is probably the worst example of this. Poe does something reckless and heroic and then gets put in time out by his girlboss and spends the entire movie throwing a tantrum because he's excluded from strategy meetings only for these stern girlbosses to later chuckle over his unruly behavior like he's some kind of boisterous child. It was impossible to see him as anything but a nutless gay after that. Did he even do anything in the third movie? I can't recall, that movie is a blur to me now except for the staggeringly moronic twists related to Palpatine.
>Stormtrooper
>comedic timing
Did you all have rotten brains or something? He should have been a hardass with a big facial scar that didnt stop complaining about what a bunch of pussies the resistance were. While hidding a tender side for Rey or his fricking pet rat
How can you think about a character being “born evil” in the Star Wars universe when the central theme of the first six films is that we can always choose whether to be evil or not?
Because as we developed the story one of the things we took very seriously was that these movies were for children first and foremost, and in addition to selling merchandise and having cute characters Star Wars had real life lessons at the heart of them broken down so that even children could understand them. We thought it was important to show children that some people really truly are just born evil.
So you didn't understand the original movies at all and thought you needed to spoonfeed some bullshit about being "born evil" to children? Holy shit the sequels make so much more sense when I see psychos like you were responsible
Not even satan himself was born evil. In case this person was really involved in the movies it shows they lack basic moral views. Imagine telling such a thing to a child.
>We thought it was important to show children that some people really truly are just born evil.
Holy fricking shit I hope you're larping because that is some high-school level understanding of life and people right there.
If you're an adult and really believe that people are just really that black and white then you're a fricking child.
These are the "people" Disney hires to write for them. Everything makes more sense now eh?
>We thought it was important to show children that some people really truly are just born evil.
They're called israelites
This is such a huge takeaway. This right here is exactly why everything sucks now. You have people, highly influential people, trying to teach the world about things they have little to no understanding of. I don’t expect you to answer this, but seriously… what makes you people think you’re qualified to teach anyone anything? What makes you think the public wants to learn anything from you? You’re not sages or saviors. You’re not better, wiser, or more enlightened. The more you think you are, the more people will resent you and your work.
Owned!
>these movies were for children first and foremost
George had the sense to put Padme in a gorillion different outfits, just for the female audience.
>We thought it was important to show children that some people really truly are just born evil.
Vader's reconcilliation and sincere contrition in the OT, and the very bad hand dealt to Anakin in the Prequels turning out badly run contrary to that. OP is believable because they are this insipid and incapable of taking the source material at its own word and understanding.
>Star Wars had real life lessons at the heart of them broken down so that even children could understand them
Everyone knows that the modern writing in so much of the media is fricking awful. You literally have to go on some writer's Twitter to have what they actually meant explained to you because they are absolutely incapable of showing things. They can't write characters. It is always tell don't show with them.
You look at Rey's beaming smile, looking like an autist during the finale of The Last Jedi while in the Millenium Falcon, and ask what the frick? Why is she happy? The Resistance is on its knees? People are dying? The writers, the actors, the directors, the editors, didn't take into account human emotions! The lack of human emotions makes these films impenetrable! And this is the issue. They want to teach you something while completely lacking human feelings. You can criticise some of the acting in the original but when Obi Wan dies, Luke looks sad. When Luke shoots a Tie Fighter, Luke looks happy. Rey is an autist. A perfect representation of why these films can teach you nothing.
>Why you thought the story was going one way for it to change drastically film to film.
Because stupid fans cried about The Last Jedi and Disney tried to "course correct" Episode 9 to appeal them. Even Daisy talked about this in an interview.
>Because stupid fans cried about The Last Jedi
And stupider fans are crying about people not liking Last Jedi
This mind set is why apathy is taking hold in Star Wars.
"Those stupid fans just can't recognize kino!"
You're fricking moronic
>guy who wouldn't raise his hand against his own youngling/sandling mass murderer father on principle would totally murder his nephew, the son of his two best friends, on the basis of a vision after that Dagobah encounter in Empire
Big dumb, bad faith, actually evil.
>guy who wouldn't raise his hand
He almost killed him, lol. He literally cut his hand.
Why do you think people would want to pay for, or even read a book about the behind the scenes production of a shitty movie that nobody likes?
Because it’s not corporate fluff and there’s a lot of juicy details about infighting, overstepping, affairs, threats, etc…
But it's still about completely uncreative morans that couldn't make a decent 30sec commercial...
Why do you think Disney would ever in a million years allow you to release a tell all book of behind the scenes dealings?
So they can put up a front like they are upset and finally weed out certain people without making it look like they were canned for being champions of social justice propaganda rather than creatives.
Corporate politics can make it very hard to fire incompetent or malignant high ranking employees, even if they are ultimately responsible for disastrous results on expensive projects. Usually there is so much bullshitting and ass covering going on that the people at fault are never held accountable. So somebody eventually goes public with a bunch of dirty laundry and creates a new outside narrative that the company's executives can no longer ignore because it is now affecting stock prices as the public and shareholders begin to assign blame based on this new narrative.
Thus the hand of the executives is forced to correct course (fire people) regardless of what they personally feel. If the person smeared is still well connected and liked by higher ups they will be given a cushy golden parachute and fail upwards as is the norm in media.
Why was Rian free to do whatever he wanted with TLJ with no one telling him no.
He wasn’t. Rian and JJ worked on The Last Jedi together. They constantly bounced ideas off each other. Rian was even going to drop the Rey Palpatine reveal but JJ asked him to hold off on that so they came up with the “certain point of view” truth about her parents. They were filthy junk traders just like the Falcon was a filthy piece of junk. They were nobody, by choice for fear of what would happen to them. They were buried in a Pauper’s grave by their assassin.
>JJ and Rian
>They were filthy junk traders
you got that right
>The number one goal we set out to achieve we did not accomplish.
Is that supposed to be some bombshell? It was obvious from the first movie you dropped the ball. Kylo Ren is one of the worst characters ever put on film and the concept of "what if Luke Skywalker was born evil" shows you didn't understand the actual Star Wars movies in any way.
Kylo Ren is the only cool part of the sequels
He sucks on every level. He is a nonsensical edgelord butthole for no well established reason. Skmehow we're to believe that the son of Han Solo and Leia Organa with Luke Skywalker as his uncle grows up to be a Vader worshiping incel weirdo who kills his father for no dramatically good reason. He's a fricking cartoon.
>”He's a fricking cartoon”
He always felt to me like an anime character that was plopped into the star wars setting with no rhyme or reason to appeal to tumblrinas
That's pretty spot on.
That's moronic. You should have been fired outright for not understanding the building blocks of the project you were working on.
We had to scrap his backstory when tptb told us Kylo Ren was not staying evil. It was essentially a horror experience for Han and Leia. They were raising the devil.
Really stupid sounding.
>They were raising the devil.
Lmao, seems like the edgelords were in the writting room, not the script
>He's a fricking cartoon.
I feel like this was a serious problem with the Sequel Trilogy. People complained about Lucas' films having simplistic villains, but they come off more like actual threats
Kylo Ren and Hux were cartoon jokes as villains.
I am legitimately surprised they didn't give him an actual mustache to twirl.
Not even cartoon villains, Tartakovsky's Grievous was a cartoon character yet was more intimidating than those two homosexuals
Go away anime troon
That was not an anime
Pointing out even fake anime is better than the movies they shat out like diarrhea isn't necessarily praising it
You're right, I think it's unfair to call them cartoon villains, I'm amending my description to "Slapstick Cartoon Villains."
This. Kylo's mannerisms and personality on their face were not bad characterizations, but it absolutely makes no sense with his backstory. Kylo Ren in a vacuum is a cool, edgy character. Kylo Ren in context is a baffling, nonsensical walking contradiction.
It's funny because when FA came out I was pissed off by his character but willing to see where they were going with it and how they would explain why he's like that. Then they didn't at all but seeing that the idea from the start was "what if Luke Skywalker was born evil and Han and Leia raise the Devil as a child" makes how terrible it was. It was never going to make sense.
>luke skywalker is good because...he's just good okay!!
*anon whoops and hollers*
>kylo ren is evil because...he's just evil okay!!
*anon cries, screams, punches a wall, breaks his hand, and can't jerk off for a whole week because it was his fap hand*
Except he's not, his motives for being bad is to "be like grandpa", but it seems neither Luke or Leia told him Vader repented of his ways before dying.
Feels like it was written by someone who didn't even understood Star Wa- oh wait...
There's nothing cool about the sequels, nothing.
Oh this will be good. So tell me then, the plan was for Rey to be convinced she could redeem Kylo Ren like Luke redeemed Vader. She would fail, and each subsequent failure he would double down and get worse. It was supposed to be a major point of the third movie of stress between her and the other characters and she would finally have to understand people can’t be changed unless they want to change themselves. She’d accept defeat in the battle for his soul and he would be victorious and rule the Galaxy setting up the next trilogy.
In our view this not only strengthened how special what Luke was able to do for Vader was, but also validates the belief of Luke and Padme that there is still good in Anakin.
So tell me again we did not understand Star Wars.
To be fair, by the end of TLJ the impression I got was that Kylo Ren was irredeemable
Which is exactly what we were going for. IX you would have found out why. By this point NAMES were terrified because Reylo was looking like an everyone loses scenario because people either loved or despised it and the ending we were headed towards for it wasn’t a happy Reylo ending. I still think we should have soldiered on and told our story but NAMES said no.
They at least did some damage control in stopping you completely, but if you are who you say you are then you're responsible for destroying Star Wars with your edgelord garbage writing
Die in a fire
Why didn't they just make Rey go down the dark side and join Kylo as an edgy villain, that'd be a Reylo ending and also set up a new trilogy
It was brought up, but it felt too much like an abused woman giving into her abusive lover even for my taste, and I despise SJW bullshit.
But that's kino and adds depth.
Plus you know... Evil?
We made Rey as a character young girls could see themselves as. I have a daughter. The message “You can’t fix someone unless they want to be fixed.” was important to a lot of us for that reason.
Lots of boys looked up to Anakin, sometimes what not to do is a better lesson
>>We made Rey as a character young girls could see themselves as
That seems to be the first, last, and only consideration given to her personality. Hence why she has no appreciable flaws and only struggles because men fail to teach her properly.
Well and her having no flaws was supposed to double down on the message. Even this badass basically perfect in every way woman can not change a person of the person doesn’t want to be changed.
You really don't understand why this doesn't work, do you
Yeah. Because the story was changed in the middle of being told so you got a fricking Mary Sue instead of it being absolutely crushing and effective when she finally comes face to face with the one thing she can’t be victorious in.
>her failing at the end is supposed to make her being a Mary Sue in TFA and TLJ okay
lmao
This is your most telling post so far. You admit outright that your goal with the story you are telling is to try and undo the whole point of the original story.
I thought this was lazy writing at first, I now see how incre deliberate it was.
That is moronic. If I already don't care about her bc mary sue, why would I care when she fails at the end? At most I'd be shocked, but tha's it, you wont see me for the next movie (if I reachrd until there, anyway)
Seems yo me you all were so high on your on farts and your messages that you didnt stop to consider what a layman 3r person would think of the whole thing
Why was he like that in the first place though and why did he not want to change? What about the dark side, evil abd the legacy of Darth Vader called yo him and why did he want to follow in those footsteps?
I really, really hope you are larping. Because if this is the level right now there is no hope. Have you heard that if you try to comunicate with someone with 20 QI points less than you comunication is simply not possible? That is the feeling I'm getting from anon telling you everything wrong with your ideas and you simply not getting any of it
Sounds like you were attempting to make propaganda, and not art.
That just about sums it up.
George's SW movies are successful beautiful experimental artwork, tons of brave risks too. Disney SW movies are failed hideous corporate product, and fearful with zero risks.
Artwork? The costume designers & McQuarrie did more than George when it comes to art lmao
Wow did you learn how movie production works yesterday
Yup!
We made massive risks in the rooms that were all agreed upon.
NAMES shut us down on them.
Kylo was irredeemable
The prophecy of the prequels was a lie
The First Order wins this trilogy
You realize you were watching the beginning of a new story not just the continuation of an old one.
Rey was pregnant.
We would have waited ten years to go back and make X.
These sound like really bad ideas together.
Because they’re jotted down as bullet points. If you watched it unfold over a few hours, it would be different.
No, the ideas are bad.
Good ideas can be lost in the process, but bad ideas can't be elevated by it
Who wrote this version of IX? When was it written? Because Trevorrow was announced to be writer/director in August of 2015, and was announced to be fired in September 2017, and his script has none of what you're describing.
It's definitely post-Trevorrow so either it's the Story Group or JJ/Terrio
Trev was out long before September 2017 lmao. Long before.
>The prophecy of the prequels was a lie
If your idea is based on trashing and old, established one, then your idea is shit.
Hell, is the first thing they tell you when you do impro, let alone writting, you dont say 'no' you accept where things went and do your best.
If the prophecy (which was sith, tbh, darth vader was just another guy in the OT) or whatever was fake it should have been established or hinted before.
Even the dark jar jar theory has more support than that
“A prophecy misread, may have been.”
Leave it to a Star Wars fan to not even know their own material.
A single line drop by a notoriously vague-speaking character is not a hint.
“A notoriously vague speaking character”
He’s literally the embodiment of wisdom in Star Wars.
what was the original backstory for snoke gonna be?
He was a shadow form of Plagueis, but not Plagueis as you know him.
Yeah, and he speaks vaguely about fricking everything. You are grasping at straws with that line and you know it. A hint must have had some predictive piwer in retrospect, picking random lines and using them to justify your badly conceived idea is not the same
Obi Wan >With all due respect master is he not the Chosen One? Is he not to bring balance?
Mace Windu >So says the prophecy.
Yoda >A prophecy misread could have been.
It’s a whole ass conversation.
And is vague as frick.
The profecy can be misread, not faked. There is no instance of something similar shown. There is no background to where the profecy comes from, so viewers can think that it may be a ruse.
In the PT the profecy was true and inmutable, and you are a hack that tries to change that and grasps at whatever you could yo justtify your mediocre story.
I really hope you never do a detective script, because you are shit at this stuff
Already working on one love.
Lmao, it seems holiwood is not recovering any time soon
Guys, guys, I think we may be speaking with THE moron itself. These levels of incompetence and smugness together are simply not normal. And his last movies were shitty detective stuff right?
Tell me you fat piece of shit, how much did you fricked the milky monster from ep VIII?
I don't think it's Rian, he wasn't involved with the movies after Last Jedi (Trevorrow was working on it before they forced him out and then got JJ). The Story Group would still be there so it's gotta be someone from that group.
Fricking hell, just thinking that there are more like him makes me wanna puke
but everything OP says is bullshit, it's fake, all of it
There are two possibilities:
Either this IS Jonson, in which case, OP is the biggest gay in the universe. This is unlikely because Jonson never played a role in TROS's writing and - if I know anything about him - would scream about how brilliant he is constantly.
Or two, this is some general gay doing some weird LARP thing. The claims have gotten too absurd to be believable. It is ludicrous that someone would suggest Rey FAILING.
In that case we found it, the gaygest of all OPs. We can all go home now boys
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moron
>The message “You can’t fix someone unless they want to be fixed.” was important to a lot of us for that reason.
But you wrote earlier that you wanted to teach children that "some people are just born evil", where's the consistency? Damn, you guys had one job and it sucked. I'm really wondering what did you frickers do before Star Wars, you give me the impression you were some rookies working for some soap opera and got called for Star Wars just for the sake of having "diversity" in the company
Exactly. If he's "born evil" and Han and Leia are raising "the Devil" then what's the point in her trying? I knew Disney writing was shit, but this is next level. Is it all this bad?
How is she supposed to know that? She’s not omniscient?
You the viewer weren’t even suppose dot know til IX.
>How is she supposed to know that?
The dark side can be reflected on behavior, damn, you guys keep showing you don't know crap
That's the thing, it is "all that bad". Specially when we consider the "dark side" is just the bad use of force, and NOT a different type of force. A quick search on the wikis gives us this:
>The Jedi knew that the dark side is fear, leading to anger, which in turn leads to hatred, and finally leading to suffering—mostly for the one who embraced the dark side. The Jedi conquered their dark side through patience, training and discipline, thereby not giving it power over themselves.
So, why the frick did Kylo "turned to the dark side"? What's his fear? Nothing, it's lazy writing pulled straight out of the ass of someone who probably knew about Star Wars a week before writing the script.
The dark side is not just bad use of force.
The dark side is bending the force to your will rather than the natural way of letting it flow through you and acting through you.
That is why there is no such fricking thing as a gray Jedi.
But "bending the force to your will" is something both jedis and siths do. Jedis can use the force that "flows through them" to lift objects, siths can use the force to lift a person from the neck and choke them.
We come back to the original point: "The Dark Side" is just the misuse of the force
My explanation comes straight from Lucas whose word you people take as gospel here. He even told us the trials to become a Jedi is to taste the dark side, know it is stronger, and to fully reject the ability to control the force to your will and take an oath to be totally subservient to its own.
Sounds like Lucas trolled you and tanked your trilogy on purpose
It sounds like you’re too stupid to realize Star Wars is a story of Good vs Evil.
>My explanation comes straight from Lucas whose word you people take as gospel here
Except it's not, kek
>He even told us the trials to become a Jedi is to taste the dark side
Wrong again, Yoda was hesitating to let Anakin train because they sensed fear in him, if your words were true they wouldn't have hesitated because his fear would've been nurtured in order to "taste the dark side"
YOU
DON'T
KNOW
CRAP
>guy hired to write official Star Wars material doesn't understand the light vs dark side of the force
Pottery
He didn't turn. He was born that way! He's Lady Gaga bur a Sith lord! How cool is that huh?
And watch, our story is to show Rey trying to help him but she fails in the end because he's just EVIL TO DA BONE and girls can change bad boys!
>"He was born that way even tough that's not how the force works, some people are irredeemable except when a girl comes in!"
How did those guys managed to get a job?
Disney.
It's terrible writing by idiots who didn't understand Star Wars and Ford gives no shits. A paycheck and killing the Indiana clone is all he cares about.
No dumbass the whole point is he’s not redeemable even though the woman wants him to be more than anything. He’s not redeemable. Period.
And that's boring and lame. Especially since you never establish any decent reasonbwhy he is either evil or irredeemable. How are you this terrible and employed as a writer?
Killing his own father wasn’t enough to show you that? We were going to show his backstory in glimpses but that’s really all you needed to know that you aren’t dealing with a normal person here. Not even Han’s debt collectors wanted to just kill him so unceremoniously.
It showed me he was an edgelord, it didn't tell me why or how he grew up into the kind of person that would murder his father in cold blood. That's like bad anime fan fiction level of writing.
It was the first movie. You people really are too fricking stupid to understand story telling.
>You people really are too fricking stupid to understand our bad story telling
WOOOOAH SO DEEP
You're israeli right?
Of course he is.
About as israeli as God knows how to make them
Yeah and you then had two more movies to have it make sense and never did. You still can't, because as you've let on it was bullshit from the start.
??
The point of the originals is redemption is possible which is the Christ story. What we're hearing about the plan for the sequels is "some people are just born evil and irredeemable" which is suspiciously different.
The Last Jedi our story was alive and well. If you have a rudimentary understanding of storytelling you can see what the first two films are building to and it isn’t a happy ending.
The Rise of Skywalker is not our IX.
Our IX was called Son of Darknes
So okay since you never got to tell it, what was your reasoning for the son of Hand and Leia being raised with Luke as their uncle growing up to worship Darth Vader to the point he murders his father? Do you have an actual reason other than your "he was born evil" bullshit you've said so far?
As skeleton story as I can do it:
Snoke was a “shadow” Plagueis who is more like a omniscient evil presence than an actual character.
Plagueis created Anakin Skywalker
This gives Plagueis a tie to his grandson.
Plagueis communes with Kylo Ren through Vader’s helmet, through Snoke, and through dreams.
The prophecy was a lie meant to get the Jedi searching for an extremely powerful force user
Ben Solo grows up having dark episodes. He doesn’t like that he’s not normal.
Han and Leia get scared, send him off to Luke.
Ben finds out Vader is his grandfather and is pissed no one told him that’s why he was different
Swears to succeed where he views Vader failed and rule the galaxy.
touch grass soihomosexual.
>plagueis
Cool, a barely canon character, lol. Star shitters would cream themselves hearing this.
The plot was so boring and shitty that all the discussion was about how every character is related to characters from the original trilogy. Such a mystery box.
>Plagueis created Anakin Skywalker
Hot frick, you didn't understand the prequels even. That's even worse than I thought.
That's one of the worst things I've ever read. I don't know if this is proof of a larp or proof you're for real.
>Our IX was called Son of Darkness
Whose IX? Not Colin Trevorrow's, because his was called Duel of the Fates. Not JJ's, because he made TRoS. Who would you even be?
Probably someone from the Lucasfilm Story Group
https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-son-darkness-episode-ix-title-rumor
>??
What's so hard to understand? It's literally a left wing idea. People aren't born evil. Environment and society turns them evil. It's why they worship all those brown hordes and blame colonialism for them acting like animals.
People being born evil is a fascist, racist idea.
You realize this is a western idea and Star Wars finds many of its morals in Eastern philosophy where there is absolutely a belief people are born evil.
Not in the OT, Luke showed the Jedi were wrong and redeemed his father.
And it was supposed to be the exception, not the rule. It’s supposed to be a fricking miracle he redeemed Vader. Having Rey redeem Kylo cheapens that.
>And it was supposed to be the exception, not the rule. It’s supposed to be a fricking miracle he redeemed Vader. Having Rey redeem Kylo cheapens that.
Reread your sentence, until you realise how moronic you are for even writing that, keep rereading until this happens, then kys you fricking hack.
go be a shit eating pleb on r*ddit homosexual, nu-wars is dogshit goyslop, and only homosexuals liked any of them. Frick off, your opinions are literally worthless and nobody needs to read them, soihomosexual.
plenty of clinical psychopaths live relatively normal lives and hurt very few people, you dont know enough about human nature to comment on it, stop.
Facts ROS ir such a shit movie but the other two are good
>Eastern philosophy
It's all just pop trash. Lucas barely cared about any 'Eastern philosophy'. He just took chi or whatever and called it force.
Wrong
See
Also, the Prequels have Obi Wan making a whole speech about Anakin being 'the chose one" but decided to turn away, he was NOT born evil
OP is a dick sucking homosexual Yidney shill trying a different angle and assuming a position of "authority and influence" (LOL) by pretending to be one of the hack writers. Except even pretending he is being given lore-breaking information from Saint George himself, he still fricks up basic shit, still demonstrates his own midwit IQ and dumb-frick opinions on storytelling, and his own complete failure to understand core-features of human nature, and core-themes of Star wars itself.
I also like how he is cherry picking responses to reply to, the only ones he feels he can counter, and still fails to convince a single soul that his precious pozzed Goyslop isn't utter dogshit from start to finish.
Shit thread, lying homosexualroon OP, Sequels are ALL irredeemable dogshit, and Rogue One was shit aswell, it had like 3 good scenes and the rest of it was mid. I was bored out of my mind for 95% of the film. If you liked anything Yidney has put out past the first half of the Mandalorian S1, you are a pleb, with shit taste, cope.
Give me an example from eastern philosophy demonstrating irredeemable evil please.
>ESL tics
The days of Disney underwriting billions in serial box office flops on the backs of Shanghai parks with Uigher slave labor camps are numbered; Western companies pandering to Eastern 'market research' paint by numbers bullshit is why Hollywood isn't going to make it. The particular is universal, and the boilerplate is not.
There are plenty that by brain region damage or lower function & genes ought to be axe murderers, yet are not. Biological determinism isn't something to be pushing in your 'for kids' franchise.
Are you saying people born evil is a lefitst idea or not a lefist idea? I can't follow your gibberish.
It's not a leftist idea. Leftists do not believe that genes influence us in any way.
You can be born evil without genetics being an influence dumbass psychopaths aren’t psychopaths because of their race
Psychopaths are psychopaths because of their genes.
>n neurons, psychopathy was associated with marked upregulation of RPL10P9 and ZNF132, and downregulation of CDH5 and OPRD1. In astrocytes, RPL10P9 and MT-RNR2 were upregulated. Expression of aforementioned genes explained 30–92% of the variance of psychopathic symptoms. The gene expression findings were confirmed with qPCR. These genes may be relevant to the lack of empathy and emotional callousness seen in psychopathy, since several studies have linked these genes to autism and social interaction.
You're not "born evil", also "psychopathy" is an incorrect and shows you don't know shit
You're being reductionist. People with schizophrenia, for instance, are labeled as murderers in popular media but in reality they can and do live normal lives.
This is literally a genetic study from 2020 published in Nature confirming that there are genes that might be responsible for psychopathy. So yeah, you are born with predispositions to be a psycho.
I think you're not understanding my point. The homosexual thinks that you can be born evil, but just because you can be "genetically predestined" to be, for instance, a schizophrenic, it doesn't translate to "being evil", that's why I called the homosexual an ignorant.
No condition will have "evil" as a symptom, that's bullshit
t. Cluster B nutcase
You must be young because psychopath the condition predates what we now call ASPD.
Hush! He's busy trying to undo Star Wars, don't point it out!
Kek, that homosexual is trying so hard to validate disneywars he'll even try to link "psychopathy" with the dark side, give me a break
Being well informed is not being a "nutcase"
Oh sorry I skipped psych 101 in highschool to smoke weed and Frick alt girls
>the whole point is he’s not redeemable even though the woman wants him to be more than anything.
Vader ruled the fricking galaxy on the dark side yet managed to be redeemable, because the force doesn't work the way shitty Disney writers depict it, yet you're trying to tell me a homosexual like Kylo was "not redeemable"
Absolutely ridiculous
Didn't you read? He's the Devil, he's born evil! Nothing Rey can ever do will change that, that's what the silly girl needs to learn. It's what all girls need to learn. It's very important to OP
It seems the writers were self inserting some boyfriend who never changed and decided to make a movie out of that shit, kek
Or maybe looked around at the stark uptick in domestic violence in western society and didn’t want to tell our daughters that if they just keep working on themselves and love their partner enough, he will turn good!
There isn't any, I hope you're trolling because this is 20 year old university student tier understanding of the world.
Yes, a woman who can do wrong fails because she cannot redeem someone who was born bad, what a sterling way to stick it to domestic violence
And that's another mistake, thinking the man is always in the wrong, who picked that dumbass? The woman
Also, imagine thinking that Star Wars was the best scenario to talk about "people not changing". The movies have ALWAYS been about characters changing
Kylo ren literally begged Rey to stand at his side, that IS him reaching out and asking to be saved, he'd have negotiated and given her what she wanted, women achieve this irl all the time when they got a man wrapped around their fingers.
I've literally seen this play out irl with friends of mine.
I can't blame him for turning to booze frankIy, and considering the billions pissed away on set who cares, that'd hardly affect shooting, give him an armored leg plates costume and green screen it out.
thats an objectively moronic message to force in a hamfisted way into a billion dollar movie franchise. Anon, you are part of the problem, im sure some so-cal soihomosexual star wars fans will find your take on the failures behind the scenes satisfying, but in my eyes you're part of the problem too. Certainly not even 1% of the reason as to why the nu-wars films sucked massive donkey dick and ruined the franchise permanently, but you still played a part.
it was the only good idea i saw in the entire trilogy, and her standing at his side and encouraging him to do better, while they're both at the top of the food chain of the Empire, seemed like a great platform for all sorts of actually compelling moral dilemmas and plot twists. What a surprise, your team of hacks tossed it out, it'd require nuance and talent to pull that off.
I coulda done a better job by myself, even with all the pozz-homosexuals trying to frick me in the arse while im trying to make the plot.
im stumped here, i honestly can't figure out which trilogy would be shittier, the one we got, filled with corporate stooge execs tinkering with the films like bulls in a china shop because of bad reviews and test screenings, to the point that the original story ideas were completely fricked up.
Or, what you think the writers room should have done instead, because you haven't brought up a single good idea or theme yet, i havent liked any of you and your teams ideas proposed, its all very israeli and malignant.
Honestly, as clumsy as it would have been the only person who could have done the sequels was Lucas.
I disagree. There's plenty of Star Wars stories not written by Lucas that are good.
Including the original trilogy.
See
part of the problem is they don't establish in any way why he is evil. He just is for no reason and it would have been one thing if the first movie left it as a bit of a mystery that the second movie delved into, but that's not wfst happened. There's no good reasoning ever.
You're a smug moron and a bad larper.
Proof or gtfo
>So tell me again we did not understand Star Wars
See this post for proof.
Basically the OT and PT are a new age retelling of a sinner coming to Christ and being redeemed.
Jews and atheist didn't get that for some reason... Gee I wonder why.
The point of Star Wars is yes actually you can be redeemed, so the entire ST from the ground up was nonsense if this guy is legit.
This. Star Wars is the fall and redemption story in a sci fi setting. The sequels are just "what if we took the window dressing and made it about how redemption isn't possible and some people are just born evil!"
Gee indeed I wonder who came up with that
It doesn't even make sense.
>what if we took the window dressing and made it about how redemption isn't possible and some people are just born evil!
That's literally a fascist idea. Leftists believe in some blank slate nonsense and how genes are irrelevant. Why would a bunch of leftists write a story claiming that there are people who are born evil?
Not him but leftists believe it about Hitler
They don't. It's just memes.
>Why would a bunch of leftists write a story claiming that there are people who are born evil?
TO OWN DA CHOOOOOOOOOODS
>orange man bad
there’s no grey area or nuance with these people. They’re completely right and you’re completely wrong and it will always and forever be that way.
>So tell me again we did not understand Star Wars.
I hate you. My dogs have a better understanding of Star Wars than you mental patients do, you fricking moron.
>the plan was for Rey to be convinced she could redeem Kylo Ren like Luke redeemed Vader.
Our plan was rehashing the OT as established in TFA, because Iger said ,"Cash grab now don't waste time on George's treatments because we fricked him out of those in negotiations." instead of doing the Shadows of the Empire multimedia campaign which actually built the foundations for the Prequels being merchandising juggernauts.
I refuse to believe this, because Rey never failed at any point up to this. She's the textbook example of a Mary Sue and IIRC Kathleen Kennedy's vicarious self-insert alongside whatever-her-face-is in Indiana Jones 5: Harrison Ford Shat His Pants Discreetly On Set.
This is a fun LARP but really, man. How do you explain this massive discrepancy? Why was Rey totally invincible?
Because dumbass we never got to show you how it affects her when she does fail.
If you really meant to, you should've done it in the second film
As it is this is unconvincing
That’s not how story telling works.
Well not under you clowns it doesn't
If we are setting her up for this massive failure based on the flaw that she believes she’s good at everything, where do we go on the third movie if we pull that curtain back in the second?
Like I said you know nothing of storytelling.
You wasted two movies making her a Mary Sue and you have the gall to claim that Luke was a Mary Sue in ANH and ESB
I'm saying I don't believe you had this intricate plan for the entire trilogy to end with Rey failing, because she never failed anywhere in TFA or TLJ. I can excuse the fact that nothing foreshadowed that fall because I know there was no plan for things, but the assertion that Rey can fail at all being floated in a Disney room is absurd.
Rey has no definable character flaws (because she has no definable character) and won or drew every engagement she entered.
Neither of the credited writers have any filmography with something that overtly anti-whatever the frick Rey is supposed to be.
It's a hole.
She starts failing in The Last Jedi. She fails to bring Luke back. She fails to turn Kylo Ren. It’s there dude you’re just too stupid for a good story and would rather know the wookipedia biography of background character 482.
And you are too stupid to see that if people are not engaged in her character because she is a fricking mary sue they wont care when she fails. You believe youself much more clever than you really are
A Mary Sue literally can’t fail. What the frick is your major malfunction?
>her character flaw is that she's too compassionate and too sympathetic in believing Kylo can be saved
I hope this isn't a LARP, just actual confirmation it was literal morons at the helm.
She was a mary sue in the 1 movie, and thus the interest was over. You need a fricking long time after that with her carried by other characters to recover from it. If you fail to understand that your next stories will be shit too
Curious, did you view Luke this way too?
Oh shit, it's the "Luke is a Sue" counterattack.
This is some whack-ass LARP to defend the Disney movies somehow at this juncture.
OP is contradicting his own LARP at this rate. Said the Disney movies were shit, now defending them.
>This is some whack-ass LARP to defend the Disney movies somehow at this juncture.
No, this is definitely how the Story Group at Lucasfilm feels. They've been pushing this failed argument for years now
When was Luke a mary sue?
It's a common distraction when Disneygays try to defend Rey. Instead of addressing Rey and her Mary Sueness, they scream that Anakin or Luke are Sues instead, disregarding the times Anakin and Luke fail in narratively significant way.
sort of explains it. Luke isn't regarded as a super special hero until after he blows the Death Star and even then, he would've failed if Obi-Wan's ghost hadn't told him to use the Force.
None of them would admit that their product was defective. They're still of the belief it was "manbaby trolls" like Rian trotted out nonstop in the wake of TLJ. These shibboleths are immortal.
Jesus Christ, did we watch the same movie? Luke is regularly a childish, competent brat in ANH. Literally the only thing he pulls off on his own is hitting the exhaust port, after an entire movie of playing farmboy. No wonder you morons were so gung ho on making Rey a Mary Sue, you some how came away from the performance best known for whining about power converters thinking "Hermmm, GARY STU MUCH?"
Fricking smoothbrain
TLJ is "Luke sucks, the movie." He gets his character assassinated in wildly bizarre ways and axed so he can't be redeemed. Rey "failing" to "redeem" Luke wasn't a problem in the film's eyes. Or you could argue his ghost fart thing was his "redemption." As for failing to turn Kylo Ren: he stabbed Snoke to death right there and killed half the royal guards before taking command in some unhinged and inexplicable meltdown. Kylo wasn't turned my hairy balls, that was the one thing Rian gave JJ to work with. That's why Palpatine got thrown back on stage, to finalize the turn, and I bet everyone thought they were brilliantly paying homage to Vader's arc there.
The Disney movies were stupid. You outright admit that in the OP line. This is a bizarre LARP because you're now getting defensive over a product you outright declared shit.
This is exactly how Disneyslop works. The character of the supported ethnic/sexual background is all good, and white men are accepted only when simps .The Mary Sue coasts through life effortlessly, outwits legacy heroes, outfights them, can do everything except for the "wrong thing" and rides off into the sunset far stronger than anyone else by dint of being "empowered." Rey, Captain Marvel, whatever-her-name Indy 5, She-Hulk... This isn't even a Disney thing alone: Galadriel from Rings of Power, She-Ra in that reboot, the girl replacement for John Connor, the female Ghostbusters...
Rey did not fail in TFA. She at worst stalemated in TLJ, and probably won a victory far beyond what she should've been able to achieve. Luke dying wasn't treated as a "sad thing" and Rey never faced consequences for anything. Just because she didn't wave her hand and push the trilogy to its denouement instantaneously doesn't mean she "failed" in a narratively significant fashion. She is the uber-Sue, rivaled only by Theresa Sullivan, Enoby Darkness Dementia Raven Way, Captain Marvel, and the shittier incarnations of Batman.
That's not how sloptelling works.
>So tell me again we did not understand Star Wars.
I watched the movies you made. They sucked dick.
Confirm this for me:
>Poe was gonna fly the millennium falcon in the first 30 min and was switched out for Rey last minute which is why they had that awkward fake death scene to get him out of the picture
There is no fricking way this wasn't originally the case. It is so jarring that the expert pilot just disappears right when they needed to pilot a ship.
Please prove you were involved. I can say I worked with Kubrick but if I don't have any evidence for that then my words are empty.
>The story of the sequel trilogy was born by asking the question: What if Luke Skywalker was born evil?
This was where you all failed, right out from the gates. For asking such a dumb homosexual ass moronic Black person question. All involved should have super AIDs mixed with cancer and die.
>And the first character we created was Kylo Ren.
Again you are all big time Black person super AIDs homosexuals in need of death. Frick the mothers that shat you out, hope your big is shit and sells for shit. I will wipe my ass with it. No explanation or book is needed, for everyone involved should get fricked and die like Black folk. I DEMAND TOTAL DISNEY Black person israelite DEATH!
*hope your book is shit*
Stupid disney Black person trying to make excuses for himself on why he is a Black person homosexual that worked for a Black person homosexual pedophile israelite company.
This guy gets it. A huge part of the prequels is showing how hard it was for Palpatine to manipulate Anakin into turning to the dark side. Kylo Ren just being "born evil" shits on everything Star Wars was ever about.
This convinces me all the Last Jedi Was A Good Film shit on this board was astroturfed by people within Lucasfilm or their connected shills like Jason Ward
Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by simple contrarianism. I think the shills are more likely to apologize for JJ's movies than Rian's. JJ is the company man they hired to make safe, marketable films. They need his reputation salvaged so they don't lose a valuable "safe option" for their next big media franchise that needs a "respected" director.
Rian Johnson though, is a relative nobody in comparison, and clearly bucked whatever trend they were trying to set up. If anything they might use him as the fall guy. For this reason contrarians flock to Rian Johnson's film. The fact it's an awful turd of a film doesn't matter, just the fact it's "different" makes it "good" to them.
I like Rian because he completely derailed Disney
That's fair enough reason to like him, just so long as you at least acknowledge how bad TLJ was. There's really no apologizing for that film, it's not just a bad Star Wars movie, it's a bad movie, period, filled with unbelievable plotholes and inconsistencies scene to scene, even shot to shot.
Watched 7. Didn't bother with the rest.
As far as I'm concerned Star Wars ended with a big party on Tree World.
why in the god damn frick didn't you just rip off good material from the expanded universe? let me guess - nobody wanted to dig through that pile of shit
Is it true that Shin has a stinky Sith pussy?
They should just wait like 10 years and then reboot star wars with IV, just do a remake literally at ground 0. It's the only way to make anyone ever even slightly interested. The only thing you could do to get anyone talking about another movie.
That or just do video games until the end of time. No one wants another fricking movie or TV show. Games or nothing or just start over, like entirely. At least then you can really jettison all the stupid shit for real, no questions asked. Countless other movie series do it. Bond does it. Why not Star Wars?
Why though? Star Wars exists. Anyone who wants to watch it can. What point is there in re-doing it?
Because the damage they did was that extreme.
Nothing has damaged the originals. You can just watch them. The Disney garbage is just fanfiction where they paid some of the original actors to show up. It's not Star Wars.
The original 6 feel tarnished, because 5 minutes after you find out:
>Oops Luke Skywalker got arrested for public masturbation, now he spends his whole life crying in a cave as a disgraced exile while the Galaxy crumbles around him! And Anakin Skywalker's sacrfice was completely pointless, because The Emperor instantly revived himself AND IS NOW OVER 100 TIMES MORE POWERFUL! Our last hope is a woman steps up to the plate and shows these worthless Skywalkers how a REAL Jedi handles shit! Feel subverted? That means its working!
The foul stench of the ST seeps into the OT and PT during rewatches I mean. George's dreams are crushed, he's probably the most depressed and defeated billionaire alive.
lol, George deserves it for his shitty special editions.
But that's the thing, that stuff never happened. OP and his bullshit story isn't really Star Wars. It's just Disney crap with a Star Wars name.
Zoomers and Gen A don't watch star wars and probably a good number of them view it (rightly) as some dumb old boomer shit. If we're talking purely from making something a success they probably should do something to attract newer viewers because as of now the brand seems to struggle attracting kids which is insane and shows how badly they fricked this up.
But kids loved the prequel movies. Just look at all the praise you see for them now on this very board, mainly coming from younger millennials and Gen Z who saw them when they were young. Lucas might've been a moron in many ways but he knew how to market a film to children.
That's not my problem and no reason to remake it for them.
I have two kids they both like the ot and prequels as well as the clone wars and rebels. They won't watch any of the new ones after seeing ep7 even though I wanted their opinion on them
Your kids sound like an ultra rare National Treasure
You're confusing Kids Don't Like Disney-era Star Wars with Kids Don't Like Star Wars
Kids aren’t into it today because of the crappy sequels and the originals are seen as too old or their liking. The main problem is that Nu-Wars lacks a toyetic and cool element to it. It’s overly feminine, bland, and cutesy in a lot of promotional stuff. The prequels are dogshit but they make Star Wars look like a cool fantasy adventure with awesome lightsaber fights, vehicles, pew pew droids and clones, etc, all being at the center of it.
Ffs just stop, why would you want a remake? God I fricking hate you all
>make significant claims
>dont identify self
>have knowledge for book
>post knowledge on Cinemaphile
Yep I'm gonna need a bona fide star wars nerd to fact check OP.
>just trust me bro... it's le Cinemaphile I'd lose my job
Did Mark Hamill play a significant part in ruining the 2nd instalment?
Casting the OG crew seems like it was a major mistake.
No, but Harrison Ford getting drunk and breaking his leg on set did.
How did that frick up the second installment when he wasn't in it?
Why is Palpatine coming back handwaved "somehow Palpatine returned" with no explanation in the actual film?
What's the deal with Snoke? Was there ever a plan for him?
>What's the deal with Snoke? Was there ever a plan for him?
That's a story for another time
Who was Snoke suppose to be?
I think this isn't a LARP.
Seems like a fricking mess at this point I would like to see a post mortem for this series.
This is absolutely a LARP, but it doesn't matter, just have fun with it
if you're still in disney, how do they feel about the recent videogames? are lucasfilm jealous that a game studio managed to produce more goodwill for star wars than any of recent movies have?
Could they really not go in another direction than having a knockoff Empire? Why not have a nuanced enemy?
Why does TFA recycle so much from ANH?
Why is the setup for the trilogy just the rebellion vs the empire all over again?
It JJ's style.
They should think about the lore first, then about the story. The new universe is dogshit. It's a shitty rehash of the old trilogy.
It seems like no one put any effort to create a new and interesting post-empire world.
Why did you guys go out of your way to bastardize Han and Luke? Why was Holdo written so incompetently yet depicted as in the right?
Why are they getting rid of Dinn Djarin in the Mandalorian? Why is Bo-Katan written as some innocent freedom fighter when she was heavily involved in the actions of Death Watch that caused the death of her sister?
The shows are beneath me.
Hardly.
This
Ford basically only agreed to return if they kill off Han. He has always hated the character. I knew he was going to die almost a year before the movie came out from some bullshit interview in a movie magazine where he said they gave his character what he wanted.
His death isn't what I mean. I expected that. I more mean him being a deadbeat dad who ran out on his family.
Frick off, even my farts are above you, scoundrel.
Disney didn't make you sign an NDA? Yeah right.
OP must be someone preparing the defenses in case Iger is going to throw Kennedy and her minions under the bus in the media
How do Rian and JJ and KK react to Mauler's critical video reviews of their failed films? With more cognitive dissonance than any other human being who ever lived.
I hate these 3 cretins, but if they legitimately fool themselves into thinking they are Star Wars fans, or they fool themselves into thinking they saved Star Wars, I certainly hate them 100 times more if thats the case.
Is the last jedi a bad movie? Other than the weird structure where it has 2 third acts one on the big ship and one on the salt planet it seemed perfectly good to me. Especially Luke I find Luke entertaining because he’s conflicted not because he’s a superhero. I think if the movie ended at the scene where kylo asks Rey to join him as a big cliff hanger the fanboy rage would’ve been a lot less extreme and Luke’s hero moment could’ve been more climactic in the third movie. Obviously TROS is bad but most people have given TFA a pass idk why TLJ doesn’t get that pass
Because a lot of people very much dislike parts of the movie you seemingly like? Luke throwing the Skywalker saber over his shoulder just starts his depiction on the wrong foot. Then they make him a coward hiding on a backwater planet, as well as a failure. Jake Skywalker is completely devoid of the optimism that typifies Luke. If they'd have told a story that logically got us to that point, it may have worked. But they didn't, and TLJ is the absolutely repugnant results.
Yeah you’re moronic he throws the lightsaber in the original trilogy too jedi should be anti violence I didn’t ever read past your first sentence because you’re obviously a fat moron neck beard who needs a male Gary Stu protagonist to make him feel safe go watch joker that movie was made for you
lol, you're a seething neckbeard aren't you
Guys we got the Neckbeard Sequel Trilogy Defender seething again
Yup you are frustratingly moronic I admit it. there’s nothing they could’ve done to make you happy aside from white male superheros beating the bad guys I bet you cheered at endgame
Ok neckbeard
Mmhmm give up to regurgitating my insults because you’re opinions and augments hold no water you’re mad they put a fat Asian girl in StarWars and toy sales prove that you’re more shallow than an upperclass girl obsessed with Sephora
You're saying a lot of gibberish for a seething neckbeard
My point proven yet again it’s like disagreeing with a child
Probably because you keep losing arguments against them
And now you’re just lying. stay mad about good movies it’s a good look for you fatty
You can't handle the truth, neckbeard
Luke’s character in TLJ is shit because it makes no sense. He almost tries to kill Ben in his sleep because he’s le evil even though he tried to reach out to his dad despite being a despot in their climatic showdown. His character makes a180 change because of an out of character action. There’s no reality where that’s good.
Also all you tlj apologists always conveniently ignore the animal slaves subplot that has nothing to do with the main story when discussing the film. It’s already bad just with that.
No he tried to kill his dad too you weren’t paying attention when he started beating him with the green lightsaber in ROTJ you’re a fake fan neck beard go away
Johnson is like Ridley Scott, a great technician that shouldn't ever be Writer-Director too.
Star Wars is pretty shitty. You should ignore all this crap from the prequels and all other materials and do something new. Not another shitty Jedi vs Sith nonsense. Lucas himself ruined and limited his universe by making it all about muh sith vs jedi.
Shut up, OP. We know it's you.
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lol, I'm not him. I just rewatched this crap recently and realized that it's all pretty shitty. Lucas basically ripped off Dune and made a shitty version of it. They should rip off, I don't know, maybe Starcraft which has a better story than any Star Wars flick.
ah yes the "ackshually something is similar to something else" discovery that midwits make a sneering soiface about
>new thing sucks
>you know maybe thing always sucked
This reductionist philosophy is why the talent pool is so shallow in creative circles.
>maybe
It's not maybe. I rewatched it last week. It sucks and it's for children.
Yeah thanks for proving that your reductionist philosophy is why the talent pool is so shallow in creative circles.
the rebels vs empire thing again was a dog shit idea. What moron was responsible for that? When will the Hollywood collapse happen? They have nothing to offer anymore
This whole "we wanted to show girls that some people are irredeemable" thing kind of falls flat due to what happened in Rise of Skywalker, doesn't it?
I wonder how butt blasted they got that teen girls were simping for Kylo
Shit, I can't believe we never brought that up yet
Someone show this to thread to all the Reylos
I can not stress this enough, RISE OF SKYWALKER IS NOT THE IX WE WANTED IT WAS THE INE WE WERE FORCED TO MAKE BY TPTB
Who is TPTB then? Iger? Alan Horn?
It's funny how you keep saying this as if what you wanted to happen wouldbe better when it actually sounds even worse. I agree, they should have fired your ass ages ago
Was The Ancient Fear the original working title for Force Awakens? I seem to remember that. I'd imagine it was one of the earliest drafts.
No. The earliest title we played with was “Legacy of the Force” and for a good while we thought “Shadows of the Past” would be the title before The Force Awakens was settled on.
Shit thread. Imagine believing this moron.
It's plausible
Why was shitting all over Luke Skywalker even considered? How did any exec at LF greenlight the notion that Luke’s character had to be assassinated and unceremoniously killed off, knowing it would piss off and alienate the fanbase?
I liked the idea of prime jedi and how light and dark force are both sides of the same coin. That actually sounds eastern and I think Rian was going in this direction.
The rebels and empire again idea was yours wasn’t it moron. Jk I know this is a larp
Heya, pass something on to Kathleen from me, please
FRICK YOU
what would you have done differently with captain plasma and the knights of ren? they were absolute boring nothinburgers designed to sell toys and contributed nothing
The funny part is they ended up not selling many toys of them, because they fricked themselves with the way they used them in the films
Not name them.
Nothing lol so are the stormtroopers tie pilots jedi masters and droids. basically every single character in the prequels/ background character in the OT were toy characters you’re just mad about it now because you’re too old for StarWars like why the frick dose kid fister exists other than to be the funny green alien Jedi for the toyline?
Still seething, neckbeard?
Post leaks of future projects, gay
I can totally believe OP is someone from the Lucasfilm Story Group. Something must've been happening at Disney today and they're running damage control.
If OP is a larp, is a really good one.
He has the level of moronation, smugness and lack of self reflection that someone can expect from a current holiwood writer
So, if I'm reading this right, you're saying literally IX alone is the only film that didn't come out as intended?
Because TLJ alone was an irredeemable dumpster fire.
Also of TLJ had Rian and JJ working in tandem, why did IX have so many intentional and shameless digs at TLJ?
If you guys haven’t figured out Rise of Skywalker is to Star Wars what the Adam West Batman tv series was to Detective Comics, you’re completely lost.
We all agree The Last Jedi is the end of the Skywalker saga.
Rise of Skywalker was to prove to tptb most Star Wars fans are stupid as hell and the worst possible movie we could make would still make a billion.
Why do you think Driver refused to say a single line after the Death star II scene? He knew he was in a parody.
>We all agree The Last Jedi is the end of the Skywalker saga.
No we don't.
"We set out to make a bad movie" isn't a great defense. And the idea that you call IX "Adam West Batmam" in the same breath you insinuate the previous two are solid is genuinely comical.
Seriously, no ill will, but you all were in a delusional bubble and even if your intent was executed as you imagined, the previous two movies show it would've come out shit still.
'lets burn the franchise to prove something stupid'
So did you learn something from it after several billion dollar loses, morons?
Anyway, OP is a larping homosexual
No, I believe OP is real because of how consistent this is. Consistently stupid, but consistent in a way larpers aren't
I did learn something. I was part of the first trilogy of movies ever to all gross a billion dollars and it changed my life in several ways.
I learned what selling your soul means. I’m ashamed my name is attached to the story the sequel trilogy tells and I fell robbed of the chance to have been a part of pretty amazing story in its own right had we been able to tell it.
>all gross a billion dollars
You all morons keep repeating the same bullshit.
Of course they made a billion dollars each, in the same way the Titanic moved 5 km after being damaged, that didnt mean it wasnt shinking, just that the momentum was just so big. There is nothing to be proud about it.
When will you gays make the sequels non-canon?
OP is a troll.
Wish I'd get to see his ideas for all nine films from the 70s and 80s.