Aside from its play like presentation which I appreciated there's just not much going on, it's a very conventional story about a reclusive town exploiting an outsider's shaky standing, the writing holds it back.
It's been forever since I've read Dante's Inferno. I can't remember what ring murderers go to. I figured the pit of human suffering was supposed to be for blasphemers or something.
>pit of human suffering was supposed to be for blasphemers or something
Not really. Dante's work is smart and nuanced.
7th circle is for those that commit violence. It has three circles, outer one is murderers (violence against someone else), middle is suicides (violence against yourself, which is worse) and inner one is blasphemers, in that it is violence against God. Jack would be on outer reach of the 7th circle, or the inner one as he said some weird things about God and made sculptures with humans of his creation.
8th circle is fraud, as in fraud that corrupts society, gives way to the other sins etc. For instance people that created schisms amongst men (so Mohammed, protestant "reformers", etc).
9th is the worst, and a frozen lake or something.
Oh yeah exactly. I was so happy to see that Dante put those homosexual Caesar killers down there.
Btw, there's a solid theory that Caesar was the major inspiration for the Jesus figure.
Anon, I visited a friend's house and someone there put the movie on, not everyone is a colossal autist that has to know every minor meta detail about a movie before watching them.
ironic that "treachery" and betrayal is somehow worse than murder but i guess we all know a lot of that biblical stuff is really outdated
>what’s the messagerino?? >I need to explicitly know what the director is trying to tell me and then decide whether or not I like the movie based on whether I agree with it or not
Unironically a very good movie, didn't even know it was von Trier when I saw it and was actually shocked to find it out because everything else he's made I find indescribably bad.
if you're not moronic how did you somehow not pick up on Lars extremely specific visual style? or somehow not realize that Lars directed this movie when he literally shoved clips of every past film he directed into this movie during some montage about creators and art? you definitely might be a bit slow
Anon, I visited a friend's house and someone there put the movie on, not everyone is a colossal autist that has to know every minor meta detail about a movie before watching them.
i'm a colossal autist because I can watch a movie without being on my phone? lmao. yeah, definitely a fricking moron, thanks for letting me know.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i'm a colossal autist because I can watch a movie without being on my phone?
What the frick are you talking about? Stop smoking weed you fricking loser.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the fact you think a full blown scene where he inserts some of the iconic scenes from his entire filmography while talking the importance of artists pushing the limits of things is a "minor meta detail" just lets me know you either weren't paying attention to this movie at all, or again, you're just a full blown sped. probably both, but keep on projecting dude.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That scene happens like 50 minutes into the movie you fricking moron.
he's not wrong, you are moronic. >dislike all of von Trier >like the one movie he makes which is about himself and his other movies
that's like saying you dislike chocolate, but when presented with a chocolate cake you stuff your fat mouth.
i wanted to like this, it's visually creative and the editing style was appreciable, but it was very boring imo. and i usually like pretentious movies like that.
i didn't really care enough to think of a more appropriate word, in retrospect it isn't even remotely pretentious just boring as frick and yet bound to get its dick sucked by posturing pseuds like yourself
>kino structured like a Greek tragedy >phenomenal performances >impressive cinematography >intriguing subversion of the strong, silent archetype >themes of family loyalty, mortality, forgiveness, and the inescapable judgment of God
People are just mad it's not Drive 2: Asian Boogaloo.
holy shit I was just about to post this film. it's really good and gays that say it's style over substance need dialogues at every moment to explain to them what is going on
Based simpatico anon. Yeah, it gets too much hate. What you're saying also applies to The Neon Demon, in my opinion. The plot is told almost entirely on a visual, symbolic level, not through dialogue. Yet everybody still says "muh style over substance" for not getting it. Refn is really good for filtering.
holy shit I was just about to post this film. it's really good and gays that say it's style over substance need dialogues at every moment to explain to them what is going on
you morons need to stop thinking that the term "style over substance" is a bad thing. The Neon Demon IS style over substance and that doesn't make it a bad movie at all, in fact Refn realizes this and focuses on it because he understands its his strength. The Neon Demon isn't even some deep symbolic film either so lets not pretend otherwise.
holy shit I was just about to post this film. it's really good and gays that say it's style over substance need dialogues at every moment to explain to them what is going on
Based simpatico anon. Yeah, it gets too much hate. What you're saying also applies to The Neon Demon, in my opinion. The plot is told almost entirely on a visual, symbolic level, not through dialogue. Yet everybody still says "muh style over substance" for not getting it. Refn is really good for filtering.
this movie was insanely pretentious and I even enjoyed most of the things that happened (you know, the 1/3 of the runtime where things actually happened instead of 35 second slowmotion staring?)
this film was entertaining to me because it made a joke out of gangsters and shootouts that so many other films take so seriously. don't if that was the intention though
>Easy Rider
Man I love that movie. Used to watch it with my dad. He loved to quote that and Billy Jack all the time. Doesn't seem like a movie alot of people around here hold in high regard though
shame it's been forgotten. It's one of the best films of that decade. Its dark but everyone gets their comeuppance in the end. It's a Morality play in the end. Which redditors like Roger Ebert seem to miss.
I used to really love that movie but I somehow outgrew it and stopped re-watching. I think it's a very bad movie that hit the right buttons to confuse the viewer in seeing it as good. The director has made nothing but crap otherwise, such as Battleship. It's a lucky accident in way, kind of like Looper.
>I think it's a very bad movie that hit the right buttons to confuse the viewer in seeing it as good
As a dark comedy it works. Its fricking funny. On that alone it's a good film. But there is so much more that really takes it to the next level.
what do you mean? this film is peak midwit. full of quotes you'll find on a 15year olds Instagram. im not saying it's not enjoyable, but the supposed 'deep' parts of it are as shallow as it can get to achieve a wider appeal
Joker is hacky shit for idiots who've seen under 1k movies. The politics are cringe and juvenile. Joker kills rich white men on a subway at night? You can instantly spot a moron when they say one of their favourite movies is Joker.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> The politics are cringe and juvenile. Joker kills rich white men on a subway at night? You can instantly spot a moron when they say one of their favourite movies is Joker.
holy kek
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Still no argument
Watch a real movie.
2 years ago
Anonymous
go back to your circlejerk reddit where you learned to argue with straw men punctuation homosexual
Joker isn't even in my favorites but that doesn't change how unfathomably stupid you are
2 years ago
Anonymous
I called Joker's politics muddled and you've been shitting your pants ever since about it. Keep seething, stupid homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>seething
lol lmao
I have been laughing at you not grasping one of the simplest points of this movie in that very statement and you went turbo ass mad like a pretentious pajeet you are
2 years ago
Anonymous
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frick me, I have to go to work at 38C° now anyway enjoy your movie snob larp
2 years ago
Anonymous
Joker is a confused mess that ripped off better films you haven't even seen. Get killed.
Ofc you are not left wing because you dont even know what it means. Literally every kid things they are right wing and they are figting against the big bad! Leave internet now
this is litteraly baby's first serious movie, it's decent but people who act like it's some masterpiece is a zoomer that only watches capeshit and similar trash
A whole movie made just to set up the punchline with the credits. He had a joke in his head and he wrapped a movie around it. He's a psychopath, and I love it.
this and Melancholia are his only good works, you can delete everything else.
maybe if you’re a midwit
I wish this guy was me
how much did shia labeouf pay Von Trier to write him as a sex God in this
He did "audition" for the film by sending him a sex tape. Maybe Von Trier saw his dick and felt bad for him.
>sex god
>is literally a cuck in the film
still pretty good at sex according to Charlotte Gainsbourg's character
what was this dude’s problem?
You hate Dogville……how?
Aside from its play like presentation which I appreciated there's just not much going on, it's a very conventional story about a reclusive town exploiting an outsider's shaky standing, the writing holds it back.
breaking the waves is a great film
Melancholia sucked, too.
What ring of hell was he supposed to go to if not the burning pit "Virgil" showed him?
Are you by any chance, american?
It's been forever since I've read Dante's Inferno. I can't remember what ring murderers go to. I figured the pit of human suffering was supposed to be for blasphemers or something.
>pit of human suffering was supposed to be for blasphemers or something
Not really. Dante's work is smart and nuanced.
7th circle is for those that commit violence. It has three circles, outer one is murderers (violence against someone else), middle is suicides (violence against yourself, which is worse) and inner one is blasphemers, in that it is violence against God. Jack would be on outer reach of the 7th circle, or the inner one as he said some weird things about God and made sculptures with humans of his creation.
8th circle is fraud, as in fraud that corrupts society, gives way to the other sins etc. For instance people that created schisms amongst men (so Mohammed, protestant "reformers", etc).
9th is the worst, and a frozen lake or something.
9th is reserved for traitors. Brutus, Cassius, and Judas are in there with Lucifer himself.
Oh yeah exactly. I was so happy to see that Dante put those homosexual Caesar killers down there.
Btw, there's a solid theory that Caesar was the major inspiration for the Jesus figure.
So Jack falls into the 9th then?
ironic that "treachery" and betrayal is somehow worse than murder but i guess we all know a lot of that biblical stuff is really outdated
its not from the Bible its from Dantes work
>rent
>free
>Fat
>Mulatto
in Dantes Inferno the bottom circle is reserved for Traitors like Judas or Brutus. i think wrath would be 2 circles higher
Is it really getting “filtered” if I just find his dude nihilism outlook he’s used in his last 4 movies to just be repetitive and boring?
Except that The House that Jack Built isn't nihilistic at all.
none of Lars movies are really nihilistic and you'd have to completely misunderstand that word or his movies if anyone actually thinks that.
Dogville is clearly just nihilistic and outright misanthropic, not a single redeeming message to be found there beyond "people are le bad"
The message is that sometimes revenge is better than "taking the high ground" when it comes to destroying evil people.
>According to von Trier, the point of the film is that "evil can arise anywhere, as long as the situation is right"
i wouldn't call that nihilistic at all
>what’s the messagerino??
>I need to explicitly know what the director is trying to tell me and then decide whether or not I like the movie based on whether I agree with it or not
I said none of these things.
Ok zoomer. Watch the movie with your entire family then if you deem it so wholesome
>Wholesome is the opposite of nihilistic
Midwit
>I don't know what nihilism is
Kek dude what
Unironically a very good movie, didn't even know it was von Trier when I saw it and was actually shocked to find it out because everything else he's made I find indescribably bad.
are you moronic?
no but he certainly is.
if you're not moronic how did you somehow not pick up on Lars extremely specific visual style? or somehow not realize that Lars directed this movie when he literally shoved clips of every past film he directed into this movie during some montage about creators and art? you definitely might be a bit slow
Anon, I visited a friend's house and someone there put the movie on, not everyone is a colossal autist that has to know every minor meta detail about a movie before watching them.
i'm a colossal autist because I can watch a movie without being on my phone? lmao. yeah, definitely a fricking moron, thanks for letting me know.
>i'm a colossal autist because I can watch a movie without being on my phone?
What the frick are you talking about? Stop smoking weed you fricking loser.
the fact you think a full blown scene where he inserts some of the iconic scenes from his entire filmography while talking the importance of artists pushing the limits of things is a "minor meta detail" just lets me know you either weren't paying attention to this movie at all, or again, you're just a full blown sped. probably both, but keep on projecting dude.
That scene happens like 50 minutes into the movie you fricking moron.
he's not wrong, you are moronic.
>dislike all of von Trier
>like the one movie he makes which is about himself and his other movies
that's like saying you dislike chocolate, but when presented with a chocolate cake you stuff your fat mouth.
when i was younger i hated tomatoes but consumed tons of ketchup
same, but ketchup has sugar in it, so that makes sense.
I had to watch this shit in college recently
It wasn’t bad, but man it was boring
wtf
for your sake i hope you're trolling
and example of it filtering right here ladies and gentlemen
Inferior GoodFellas but le foreign so hipsters love it.
Melancholia is a lesser The Sacrifice by Tarkovsky.
goodfellas did not portray 5 year olds using fully automatic rifles fighting for a cause they didn't even come close to understanding
>The Sacrifice by Tarkovsky.
didn't know that, thanks, I'll check it out.
It's good and I would say there's more of a message to it than Melancholia. I just find it a lot more personal and effective.
i wanted to like this, it's visually creative and the editing style was appreciable, but it was very boring imo. and i usually like pretentious movies like that.
>city of god
>pretentious
Go back to capeshit ya tard
i didn't really care enough to think of a more appropriate word, in retrospect it isn't even remotely pretentious just boring as frick and yet bound to get its dick sucked by posturing pseuds like yourself
a case of the subtitles being so shit that you miss 80% of what made this movie pure unadulterated kino
I've enjoyed the wallet made from the tiddie
>kino structured like a Greek tragedy
>phenomenal performances
>impressive cinematography
>intriguing subversion of the strong, silent archetype
>themes of family loyalty, mortality, forgiveness, and the inescapable judgment of God
People are just mad it's not Drive 2: Asian Boogaloo.
holy shit I was just about to post this film. it's really good and gays that say it's style over substance need dialogues at every moment to explain to them what is going on
Based simpatico anon. Yeah, it gets too much hate. What you're saying also applies to The Neon Demon, in my opinion. The plot is told almost entirely on a visual, symbolic level, not through dialogue. Yet everybody still says "muh style over substance" for not getting it. Refn is really good for filtering.
you morons need to stop thinking that the term "style over substance" is a bad thing. The Neon Demon IS style over substance and that doesn't make it a bad movie at all, in fact Refn realizes this and focuses on it because he understands its his strength. The Neon Demon isn't even some deep symbolic film either so lets not pretend otherwise.
style is substance
One day you'll grow up and realise that style is substance as well
weird projection but alright dude
misunderstood, underrated
The cop is God forgiving the criminals by killing them. That's why he chops of Ryan Gosling's hands after he killed his father with them.
Masterpiece
I pity those who cannot grasp it.
What is there to grasp?
why don't you grasp this wiener with your mouth degenerate homosexual
Even the fricking title has so much to 'grasp'
The epitome of why RT is unreliable
this movie was insanely pretentious and I even enjoyed most of the things that happened (you know, the 1/3 of the runtime where things actually happened instead of 35 second slowmotion staring?)
Not for me, it's in my top 10 for sure.
Korine appeals to low iq vermin
filtered.
this film was entertaining to me because it made a joke out of gangsters and shootouts that so many other films take so seriously. don't if that was the intention though
It is and it was also heavily satirizing the party lifestyle the film used to advertise itself.
>Easy Rider
Man I love that movie. Used to watch it with my dad. He loved to quote that and Billy Jack all the time. Doesn't seem like a movie alot of people around here hold in high regard though
That's because, like with Spring Breakers, they miss the irony of the film.
Great movie. Loved Rodney Dangerfield. Juliette Lewis sounds like a literal moron and I have no clue how she got a career
That's my guilty pleasure.
shame it's been forgotten. It's one of the best films of that decade. Its dark but everyone gets their comeuppance in the end. It's a Morality play in the end. Which redditors like Roger Ebert seem to miss.
I used to really love that movie but I somehow outgrew it and stopped re-watching. I think it's a very bad movie that hit the right buttons to confuse the viewer in seeing it as good. The director has made nothing but crap otherwise, such as Battleship. It's a lucky accident in way, kind of like Looper.
>I think it's a very bad movie that hit the right buttons to confuse the viewer in seeing it as good
As a dark comedy it works. Its fricking funny. On that alone it's a good film. But there is so much more that really takes it to the next level.
This was funny as frick. Watched it recently -- a 2nd viewing since its release -- and I liked it even more.
Damn, this looks pretty interesting.
I think I got filtered. It had some great sequences, but I got bored.
midwits really, really can't stand it
what do you mean? this film is peak midwit. full of quotes you'll find on a 15year olds Instagram. im not saying it's not enjoyable, but the supposed 'deep' parts of it are as shallow as it can get to achieve a wider appeal
>but the supposed 'deep' parts of it are as shallow as it can get to achieve a wider appeal
midwit
Very overrated and shallow film for the most part. Luckily Joaquin was there to save it.
Next you'll complain it has "no message" and start ranting about politics.
Well I'm certainly not left wing, but I think Joker's politics are muddled at best.
>Joker's politics are muddled at best
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU FRICKING moron REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yeah, you sound like a typical Joker fan.
>I concede I'm a fricking moron
Joker is hacky shit for idiots who've seen under 1k movies. The politics are cringe and juvenile. Joker kills rich white men on a subway at night? You can instantly spot a moron when they say one of their favourite movies is Joker.
> The politics are cringe and juvenile. Joker kills rich white men on a subway at night? You can instantly spot a moron when they say one of their favourite movies is Joker.
holy kek
>Still no argument
Watch a real movie.
go back to your circlejerk reddit where you learned to argue with straw men punctuation homosexual
Joker isn't even in my favorites but that doesn't change how unfathomably stupid you are
I called Joker's politics muddled and you've been shitting your pants ever since about it. Keep seething, stupid homosexual.
>seething
lol lmao
I have been laughing at you not grasping one of the simplest points of this movie in that very statement and you went turbo ass mad like a pretentious pajeet you are
the*
frick me, I have to go to work at 38C° now anyway enjoy your movie snob larp
Joker is a confused mess that ripped off better films you haven't even seen. Get killed.
Ofc you are not left wing because you dont even know what it means. Literally every kid things they are right wing and they are figting against the big bad! Leave internet now
>Joaquin
>save
Pick one.
this is litteraly baby's first serious movie, it's decent but people who act like it's some masterpiece is a zoomer that only watches capeshit and similar trash
Good post
>What the frick are you talking about? Stop smoking weed you fricking loser.
>"You mean you enjoy movies without having to Google the director first?"
Possibly the best kino of our time and most people say it’s boring or incel bait
>incel bait
it sure is, i hated the prostitute so goddamn much
be honest did you expect the ending
I'm not even sure I interpreted it correctly
did the cops kill him and then the hell stuff happened? or was that some kind of psychotic break
Yeah that's what happened, I didn't fully understand right away either
A whole movie made just to set up the punchline with the credits. He had a joke in his head and he wrapped a movie around it. He's a psychopath, and I love it.
The ultimate deconstruction of the western genre.
based choice + based caption of your post.
this movie is basically a series of kino shots following kino shots
Chuck and Sneed
Lining people up to kill them with one bullet was pretty funny but otherwise this is garbage.
It had some good sequences, but with some parts of the movie we were even laughing at how bad it was. I guess we were filtered.
>but with some parts of the movie we were even laughing at how bad it was
which part
pseudocore trash
This movie was excellent. It triggered the OCD in me mid-movie when he started to lose it and murder people without giving a shit
terrific film, honestly felt tailor-made for me