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The moral argument presupposes objective morality which requires a moral lawgiver.
This. God is all good and all evil simultaneously by virtue of preceding and instructing all constructs in reality.
is that Hebrew on Abraxas's forearms?
knowing what is good or bad,its not as difficult as you moral relativists lefties make it seem.
Epistemology and ontology are two different things. Why do you people never understand this?
Because they're inextricably linked.
>objective morality requires a moral lawgiver
where do you people get this idea from?
This is a jumbled mess of concepts, you don't even know what you're talking about.
No it doesn't.
I suddenly heard a thousand atheists' voices screaming
no it doesn't. let me reword it for you in a way that is more easily digested
>if god is all powerful, then he doesn't have my interests in mind and might as well be evil
>if he does have my interests in mind, he must not have total control over reality
>if he does have my interests in mind, he must not have total control over reality
A programmer doesn’t dictate wholly how his simulations play out. He only wants them to be valid and stable.
That depends on the context, though. Like if you make a program that is supposed to say "Hello World" when you run it, you have wholly dictated it.
Earth and the rest of it isn’t hello world.
It’s an asynchronous, concurrent simulation.
It’s not interesting to perfectly dictate every single variable.
You want emergent properties, you want intrigue. Even if you could press ~ and open up the entity in an inspector to know everything. You want to pass down important things to your creations.
I don't disagree, but this again implies he cannot control everything, or that he simply doesn't want to (for whatever reason)
the 2nd is what people refer to when they say he is "not all good" if he is all powerful
Humans don’t understand “all good”.
You can’t have experience with only good. You need bad, you need chaos to define them.
A creator isn’t a meanie for letting bad things happen, he’s allowing them too because they are fundamental things required for existence.
I don't want gods "all good" then. I want good as it's defined by me, right now. That to me is "good". my interests clearly differ from the plan.
>I NEED to give children cancer because... sin.... or something
>stop asking questions
their argument is that you are incapable of understanding the reason, so one doesn't need to be provided because it would be pointless.
>ugh you just don't understand
>I REALLY NEED to give children cancer. It's REALLY REALLY important for some reason and you will never understand so just stop asking already!
Again, the idea is that you are INCAPABLE of understanding the reason. Not that there isn't one.
But that being said, I'm sure lots of people would be fine with kids getting cancer if they believed these kids are just getting to heaven faster (and heaven is just total bliss, absence of suffering, forever)
That reason doesn't work for me personally. I don't want total bliss forever. I want very specific things here on earth. I don't doubt I'd like heaven but I'm sure if you strapped me down and injected me with heroin forever I'd like that too.
>you are INCAPABLE of understanding the reason
that is incredibly convenient isn't it
it is, it's not such a crazy idea though. In the same way where a plankton or ant can't really understand some concepts that you can.
I provided that reason as an example of a reason that can be understood by humans. Though generally the idea is that you cannot understand gods reasoning. You're right, it was confusing to give an example of a reason in that post. most people who believe in God believe that he has reasons for doing things that are just beyond your comprehension.
>that is incredibly convenient isn't it
Stupid people can't understand complex equations. it's just how life is. You are incredibly stupid compared to God. God can keep track of every elemental particle in the universe for it's entire existence and you're incapable of perceiving more than 4 objects at once. You're going to tell me that it's convenient that you can't understand a plan that spans all eternity?
but you don't understand it either
it's just a big long line of "trust me bro"
he isn't asking you to trust him. as I understand it, the idea that there is a being that is so much smarter than you that you cannot understand it's reasoning and therefore cannot judge it as good or bad.
Same as if you were an animal and scared of a surgeon because stitches hurt. The idea is that if you could understand, you would agree to the plan.
I don't personally follow this philosophy. I am not interested in having an immortal soul. to give me one is to misunderstand my interests.
>Same as if you were an animal and scared of a surgeon because stitches hurt. The idea is that if you could understand, you would agree to the plan.
if you taught an animal to understand language and rational thought, it could certainly understand stitches
God isn't asking me to trust him, you're asking me to trust you, by saying that god has a big secret plan that not even you know. And you can't even explain why the plan is so impossible to comprehend, just that it must exist because otherwise none of this would make any sense.
I don't believe in God but I guess to a degree you're right. authoritative religious figures are indeed asking you to trust them/god to do things that are in their interest.
>why the plan is so impossible to comprehend
Because God experiences reality as a 5th dimensional being, something you are not and cannot do. His plan goes beyond your reality. The bible is like a 2d image of a tesseract, a symbolic simplified understanding of the 4th dimension. The bible is a simplified set of morality and lessons that we can understand.
>Because God experiences reality as a 5th dimensional being
chapter and verse?
>Isaiah 57:15
>For thus says nthe One who is high and lifted up, who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
>Because God experiences reality as a 5th dimensional being
Once again, this moron is telling us facts about the essence of God that is supposedly beyond our understanding
God exists everywhere and at every time. God is eternal. Learn to read.
the "fifth dimension" comment is stupid and makes no sense. it means nothing. it implies nothing. its dumb.
I get the impression I'm not the first nor the last person you wish this upon
>the "fifth dimension" comment is stupid
It means God exists in a reality you can't comprehend as a human for God is eternal. God exists everywhere, and the closest understand we have to that is the concept of the 5th dimension(which isn't a real dimension like the 4 we know of. It's a conceptual idea for an eternal being)
I see. sorry for being so hostile about it, I think then 5th dimension is just a silly thing to call it. Most people will interpret it as an implication of a 5th spatial dimension or maybe a 2nd temporal dimension, both of which don't really imply anything concrete. Some other title might be more appropriate.
If God is ineffable, then you can't possibly tell me anything about him.
If you can tell me anything about God, then he is not ineffable.
We know about God because God has spoken to us through the bible. That's an easy one.
Look at the ego on this one, to think he knows better than a literally perfect being.
Hang on, so you know that it is God's plan to write a book of rules and that everything in it is part of his plan? That doesn't sound utterly mysterious and beyond human understanding. Sounds like we actually know a lot about God's plan. Your cope is very weak, incel.
Christianity and just about everything in life is better and more coherent when you assume the mainstream “truth” or it all is wrong and missing key things.
>more coherent
So you understand how GodIs supposedly ineffable plan all hangs together
The entire point is people are wrongly making assumptions on possibly invalid data.
>God's reasons cannot be understood
>Anyway, here are his reasons
there's no way to build a perfect machine not even for god. cancer and aging is the trade off for biology to exist.
the argument is about God being all powerful or all good. what you have just said is quite definitively "god is not all powerful".
>cancer and aging is the trade off for biology to exist
there are animals that don't get cancer and don't age
And the sun is the source of it all which yields us plants which are the foundation of it all, including medicine.
We can cure our ailments, and discover all the cures of the world. But are currently lost and choose not to.
And the trade off is that they're unintelligent. I see trade-offs in the design of all life on earth.
>And the trade off is that they're unintelligent
that's a moral judgement you're making, not a biological one. Intelligence does not result in cancer.
No intelligence itself doesn't result in cancer but homosapiens get more cancer because of their body plan.
just to mention it here, this is just a result of natural selection + random mutation. There is a cost to having certain features. So long as you can breed it doesn't really matter what happens to you. It doesn't even matter if childbirth kills you pretty often so long as the babies are able to mature and breed.
>not even for god.
God is perfect and makes no mistakes. Cancer and aging is part of his perfect creation. That creation is just too complex for your ability to understand reality.
If a creator inflicts a plague directly on something, it is for a powerful purpose.
Otherwise it’s merely necessary chaos.
Humans need suffering.
It really depends on your outlook for fatalism, which I think is valid.
You are a brainlet and you will never be christian
>it happened because god it's for a purpose
>the purpose is that god wanted it to happen
Arbitrary circular reasoning. Your brain has been irreparably rotted by these israeli lies.
It’s not circular.
Also you’re still stuck on this naivety that a creator should shelter everything from bad things. It should not.
Bad things define important good things as I’ve stated multiple times.
Whether it’s a child or an animal.
Resorting to emotional appeals is irrational.
circular reasoning is the basis of religion "what the bible says is true because the bible says it's true"
>All children are innocent in God's eye
>They go straight to heaven
Because suffering for 6 years out of an an infinite eternity is in your perspective of scale.
An animal breaks a bone and needs it reset. You take that animal to a vet and the vet causes pain as he resets the bone. There is initial pain but the wound will heal. Multiple people are affected by this event in different ways psychologically and physically. Everything happens for a reason.
so why not just kill every baby at birth so everyone goes to heaven and never suffers?
I don't know, I'm not God. I don't know God's plan. I'm not an infinite intelligence. Maybe your soul is meant to suffer longer to learn more about life. Maybe your suffering will have a positive impact on others in the long run and you'll be rewarded in heaven. I literally can't know and neither can you. You just need to accept that everything happens for a divine purpose and that God is good. It's called faith.
>I don't know God's plan.
Yet you somehow know that every commandment in the bible is his plan, chuddie. How does that work?
shouldn't someone have written down the answers to this stuff? Maybe god should have explained why everyone needs to suffer and put it in the bible or something, instead of telling everyone they couldn't eat shellfish.
>they couldn't eat shellfish.
It seems silly to you but it was done for a reason. It seems silly to me too but I don't know what the reason is because again, I'm not a fricking infinite intelligence and don't claim to be smarter than one.
The Bible is part of the plan. That's how it works. It's a simplified understanding of God's morals put in a way so that humans can understand it. We can't perceive reality like God does so we can't perceive morality like he does. It's beyond human perception of reality.
>The Bible is part of the plan.
Admitting again that you understand God's plan.
>It seems silly to you but it was done for a reason.
this is just an assumption you're making. Nothing in the bible gives a reason for most of its rules.
>Everything happens for a reason
This is always the most pathetic Christcuck cope ever, a lie made by israelites to make one feel good for being enslaved
Blind fatalism is bad I agree.
Informed fatalism is not.
(NTA)
>You want to pass down important things to your creations
God did that in the planning stages of the universes creation. He already knows what his programs are all going to do and has the programming already figured out. A plan that spans an eternity and beyond. God doesn't have to inspect anything since God already knows what's going to happen since he planned it that way. Even with free will, God knows every variable and can see every action. If there was something that would happen that God didn't want to happen then he would have changed the programming before it executed. It's something only an infinite 5th dimensional intelligent being can do.
>Even with free will, God knows every variable and can see every action.
tradlarperbros... I don't think you've thought this through
Humans take omnipotence too literally.
No, you’re just immature and need to practice reflection and read more.
That's right, God is so much wiser and powerful than us that for him "omnipotence" means "actually not being able to do everything". God is so ineffably powerful that he is actually powerless.
In that , humans put a creator in this false-dichotomy that he either be All or Nothing, when really, how can we even assume that he’s at the top?
You are so unbelievably dumb that you really ought to have a nice day immediately.
Not an argument
Take a breath and articulate your objections like a supposed adult.
he's right you are being very immature and not practical if you resort to insults. it makes people less likely to side with you.
What was God's reason for making you an unfrickable, friendless brainlet who will never be a real christian?
I don't believe in God, idk. maybe just for variety or he thought it'd be funny.
I don't want you to side with me, I want you to have a nice day
I don't get the impression you're doing either of these two things. it seems a lot more like you are lashing out and throwing a tantrum.
No I truly wish for you to have a nice day, preferably in a way that ends with your last words being "I didn't know it would hurt this much"
I'm not disagreeing, I know my interests can change (like giving your child only dessert as an example)
But as they are right now, god doesn't align with my interests. In that way, he is not good (as I define good)
If the word good makes you uncomfortable, or seems to carry some kind of objective weight, I can just say My Interests. God doesn't align with My Interests at all as they exist right now.
>it's immature to not want children to die of cancer because... b-because it just is okay!?
>Humans take omnipotence too literally
You might also say we take it too subjectively. An example is what people say they would do in a situation after it happened, with the benefit of hindsight. Different people would do different things in the same situation, because they have different personalities. An omnipotent person like God will always do things that are hard for a limited mind to understand, because the limited mind isn't aware of what will happen 100 years down the line after any one action is taken.
this implies he either cannot fully control his program in regards to what I (me) want, or he doesn't care to. I suppose evil is an assumption on my part, he could just be indifferent. Either way he either doesn't have my interests in mind, or cannot make my life cater to my desires. He either cannot control the aspects of my reality I need him to or he doesn't care to (or actively wants them to be this way)
>Creates an infinitely complex program that he knows exactly how it will play out for all eternity. Gets everything perfect. Kicks back and relaxes.
i assume you're being sarcastic. But this goes back to the original issue
>creates and infinite and unknowingly complex program. Can't be certain it will be perfect
Then he is not all powerful
>ok then, it is perfect, things are how he wants them to be
Then he is not "all good" (aka he doesn't have my interests in mind, is neglecting them or just indifferent to my suffering)
>if god is all powerful, then he doesn't have my interests in mind and might as well be evil
this is horseshit though
>if my parents are all powerful, then why can't I eat candy for breakfast? they might as well be evil
this is a good comparison and I saw it coming.
But some stuff is unforgivable. the fragility of the people I care about, their lives and their bodies. the fact that people, even the most innocent and wholesome ones you can imagine, can be eviscerated. This goes for animals too.
You might say this is me eating my vegetables, and I will go to heaven and be in bliss forever with my loved ones. But that robs me of what I feel are important aspects of being human and existing. He doesn't have my interests in mind. If I were god I could craft a much better existence for myself.
>most innocent and wholesome ones you can imagine, can be eviscerated.
And it happens for a divine purpose. And since God is good, then that purpose is good. It might seem evil to you but you don't see the big picture like God can. It's impossible for you to even begin to understand that kind of perception of reality.
>This goes for animals too.
Animals don't have souls and fall to the dominion of man.
but I don't care about divine purpose. God may be inherently good but that doesn't mean his interests align with mine. I don't want divine purpose. I don't want any suffering like that to be anything other than fiction.
I see what you're saying (god doing "bad" things is part of a plan I can never possibly understand) but it's already gone against my interests. Maybe he will ascend me to a higher being and my interests will align with his but then that's a whole different issue- It's like saying it's in your interests for me to rape you today because tomorrow I will give you a love potion that will make you have liked it.
>objective morality
>requires a moral lawgiver
>"I am Ozymandias, king of kings. Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair"
>Millenial audience: *nods sagely*
2deep4u unironically
I think I'm one of like a dozen people that still remembers the rest of that poem
No, pseud, every first year English lit student studies it. Its literally one of the most well known poems in the English speaking world.
>sagely
sagaciously is the word to describe someone acting like a sage
sounds like I struck a cord
music would indeed be a better foray than linguistics
who said anything about music?
>I was only pretending to be moronic!! Haha! You fell for my ruse!
>sagely
midwiiiiiit
>sagely
sage, nodly
>I am become ozymandias, despairer of mighties.
It’s amazing how much this film gets talked about here considering how fricking bad it was
>A bunch of contrarian homosexuals like bad films
I think the christian cop out is something along the lines of god allows evil but he doesn't create evil.
Isaiah 45:7
>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things
> I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I gird you, though you do not know me, 6 that men may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other. 7 I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things. 8 "Shower, O heavens, from above, and let the skies rain down righteousness; let the earth open, that salvation may sprout forth, * and let it cause righteousness to spring up also; I the LORD have created it. 9* "Woe to him who strives with his Maker, an earthen vessel with the potter! * Does the clay say to him who fashions it, 'What are you making? or 'Your work has no handles?
That's not what mine says. Who would translate woe as evil besides a moron?
The original Hebrew uses the word "evil" - other translations are mistranslations. Look at how the word for "evil" used in Isaiah 45:7 is used elsewhere in the Bible.
>Evil
>Bad
While similar, these are not the same.
When it's contrasting "good" or "bad" yeah, it is.
God created everything. This includes evil. However the bible says that God is good over and over again and never once does it say that God is not Good. God created Evil for righteousness and salvation because you can't have light without darkness.
God didn't create evil you fricking moron, evil is the product of God's absence. What the abscense of light? Darkness. What is the abscense of the Sun? Night. The sun sets on the horizon, and away goes the warmth and daylight. God left earth the moment man chose sin over divinity.
>MIDWIT MIDWIT MIDWIT
Not that anon, but something that is omnipotent and omnipresent can't be "absent". Even saying something like "absence of god" is peak midwit. If evil is taking place or exists anywhere, he allows for it. What you're trying to say is evil comes from something else, but all creation comes from god, everything that is was and ever will be. Saying it's an absence of him is pure cope.
replying to this thread is peak midwit, and anyone saying otherwise probably wants a tender shemale to slide its oiled up pole in his backside
Only intelligent post in this thread. You people should stick to discussing capeshit lore, theology is way beyond your capacities.
>you people
>posts in the thread
how's that smooth feminine penis
It literally says in the bible that God created all things. I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Why? We can't fricking know. God gave us free will and a set of rules to follow for salvation. Why did God give us free will? I don't fricking know, I'm not God.
When we die maybe we are given a higher level of being so we can understand God's plan. God created us the way we are for a reason. You just have to have faith that God is good.
Or you can rack your little brain on philosophical shit that doesn't matter in the end anyways because your brain can't understand any of it no matter how hard you tried.
>When we die maybe we are given a higher level of being so we can understand God's plan. God created us the way we are for a reason.
How do you know that? sounds to me like you're telling me that you're familiar with God's plan even though you have been going on how that is utterly impossible
>How do you know that?
>I literally said maybe.
Because I don't know. But what we do have is the word of God telling us to have faith for salvation.
> I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. [8] Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
>let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together
Can God not make light without darkness?
God can do literally anything and everything. Maybe there is another reality where there is no darkness. If God created this universe there's nothing stopping him from creating one that's beyond our understanding. Are you really not getting that?
So why didn't he? Why couldn't he of created a world without evil? Should be a nothing burger task right?
You really aren't grasping the concept.
>Why couldn't he of created a world without evil?
We literally can't know what God was thinking when he created the universe. It's beyond our understanding.
>Proverbs 16:4 – The LORD works out everything for his own ends - even the wicked for a day of disaster. This is simply the truth. Everything and everyone is created for a divine purpose - even the wicked for the day of destruction
Lol
That's just what scammers tell idiots to get them to go along with something.
>it's le REALLY smart, believe me. No, I can't explain it to you, just trust me it's really good and you'll be so impressed. Just go with it for now and assume you'll understand one day. You'll definitely not be disappointed!
sounds like leftism
>leftism is divine good
Create your own universe and reality then homosexual.
Give me the powers of an alleged all knowing all powerful God and I will.
You don't have those powers so clearly God knows what you would do with them and doesn't want you to have them. You are unworthy.
Bait used to be believable
>God created Evil for righteousness and salvation because you can't have light without darkness.
Says who?
>Isaiah
What a lovely european name
“Evil” is the price we pay for free will, your reddit midwit.
No, we don't say that. God is infinite, so yes, he's infinite love AND infinite wrath. He's everything, in fact, we're a PART of Him.
No, that was pure Ridley Seethe at the audience daring to demand answers.
So he had his precious David bomb to morlocks (us) with "answers" (smothering death).
Also probs a fore-warning of covid/vax bioweaponing. Only thing that explains that pile of shit getting funding really.
We could have had Newt and Hicks and Ripley back in Blomkamp's ALIEN5 otherwise.
(That looks equally gonzo tbh but at least the filmmaker didn't seem to actively hate the IP or audience)
>john logan 1968
>d.w. harper 1970
>ridley scott 1937
shitting on millennials is a national sport
millenians were born between 1922 and 1999. then came zoomers for 3 years until 2003, then came baby boomers until 2008 and then alphas from 2012 onwards
my religion is the right one
i-it just is okay!
now shut up and listen as I describe how much you're gonna suffer *grins*
these types of christcuck are literally demons
>people thinking they can use human logic to comprehend an infinite intelligence plan.
God's plan is beyond human understanding. Your feeble human mind cannot even begin to reason why God does things. It would be like trying to explain quantum mechanics to an ant.
So God is all good and all powerful. You have no idea what horrors God could be saving us from. People can't even keep track of more than 4 objects at a time let alone an entire universe in the 5th dimension.
>He's keeping us safe from horrors beyond your comprehension!
>Where do the horrors come from though? Doesn't everything come from God?
>Uh well uh... y'see... uhh....
There's a reason almost every esoteric tradition winds up trying to make peace with a unity of good and evil, because a religion where the creator god is all good and all powerful but somehow allows for evil doesn't make any sense at all.
>creates all of reality, including good and evil
Why? I don't fricking know. Neither can you. You're not an infinite intelligence capable of creating all things.
>We cannot possibly comprehend God's will!
>Also here is what God thinks about marriage and dietary restrictions
I like how they think Jesus would have been a staunch nationalist today. Just shows how they never really cared about the teachings of Christ.
Tradlarpers have no knowledge whatsoever of what Jesus said
>if you don't believe in my 2000 year old desert israelite religion, why should you expect me to be consistent in my beliefs?
there's a quote saying something like "all foreigners are like dogs", using Greeks as an example.
you seem to think people back then were globalist freakjobs.
Jesus invented Globalism:
>There is neither israelite nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Galatians 3:28
Youre thinking of Matt 15; 20-28. He calls the Cannanite woman a dog because him doing miracles for non-Jews would be like taking away food from the people table to give to an animal.
Then she agrees with Jesus that non-Jews are lesser beings and he gives her what she wants.
>Then she agrees with Jesus that non-Jews are lesser beings and he gives her what she wants.
chudbros.....
I don't get why they're so surprised by this. Genesis 12:3 plainly states you have to be nice to Israel
Very outdated cope, chuddie. And yes, Jesus was a israelite. His mother is descended from the first king of Israel and his father is the God of Israel.
jews haven't changed in 2,000 years. the Romans should have finished them all off
>procreation is bad chud!
You’re a mentally ill, evil pedophile bro. Male children aren’t women and 2 + 2 isn’t 5. If you think you’re just a meaningless blob of cells floating on a rock in space for no reason then leap off a cliff already and spare us lol
Meds, now.
Maybe you should get off all the meds you’ve been prescribed because men aren’t women, freak.
For what it's worth, you're not wrong. I'm NOT an infinite intelligence, but I don't think this is one of those things that requires infinite intelligence either. It just doesn't add up. You can't be infinitely good while also being responsible for all of the evil, too. At the very least you're infinitely good AND infinitely evil, which could be safely tucked away as a divine paradox, but mainstream religions always insist the creator is ONLY infinitely good and evil is just this weird fricky wucky that seems to happen independent of Him, even though everything comes from Him.
but we don't know why God created evil because we simply can't think on the same level as God. He must have did it for a reason but that understanding of reality is beyond our comprehension. God exists in all dimensions, something we simply don't. Time doesn't exist to God because he exists everywhere and anytime all at once. The Bible is like using a tesseract to explain the 4th dimension in the 3rd. It's simplified for our perception of reality. So when the book says that God is all good, it's for our human experience and understanding.
And we understand that there are 4th dimensions and are incapable of experiencing all of them. It's a guarantee that there is more beyond our perceived reality that we just cannot experience or understand. All we know is this realm that we live in. Like a Sim from the Sims living in their little simplified world. If they had sentience they wouldn't know what reality they are missing.
Or imagine if they made the Matrix but everything is super low poly and low res. That's all the people would know from reality. it would be an absolute mind frick to be awoken from that.
a lot of things could be or are beyond anybodies comprehension, that doesn't mean i have to entertain it in real life and let these silly ideas affect how i act
God gave us free will. We cause evil through our choices and ignoring His will
is there free will in heaven?
>lol dumb vain mortals thinking their puny moral standards apply to God, who is absolutely mysterious and nothing like us
>also we are made in his image and his morality is ours, here is a book where he wrote it all down
>made in his image
Not made as his equal. There's a chain of beings.
>here is a book where he wrote it all down
So we don't frick it up. We were given free will.
So we resemble God in some way, but also we don't resemble God at all, and we can't possibly know his will but also we can because he literally gave us a set of instructions?
prove that you could have done otherwise.
>and if he is all-good, then he cannot be all-powerful
I dont get it, is it like saying if hes tall then he cant be short? why are they mutually exclusive?
Everyone in this thread needs to kill themselves immediately. Its embarassing seeing you people try to talk about stuff other than cartoons and capeshit.
The had to give the smart job to a light skinned dark, didn’t they, just another magical Black trobs
>metastudy
not actually a thing
did they mean meta analysis?
There is a scene in this dumb show where two ultra smart scientists look at an ant queen and call it a "he" and a "bug".
I don’t get it. Why did their occupations matter here? Won’t be watching whatever this is either way.
its meant for the female audience to feel good. even though most women dont know what any of it means.
It's as Ironic as I am addicted to Sonic porn.
He figured out they were boring and moved on, what a chad
>you know you could make so much more money doing an onlyfans where i piss on your face
>hehe really ok
Actually quite a realistic scene, contrary to how the writer probably intended it. I grew up around Boston and I'd see these sorts of interactions all the time where a (middle class or below) guy will playfully address a group of women at a bar and they will go full harpy pulling out their credentials like "UM ACTUALLY WE GO TO HARVARD AND WE ARE STUDYING INTERNATIONAL LAW AND I WOULDN'T EXPECT SOMEONE LIKE YOU TO UNDERSTAND..." The fact the writer presumably thinks that the male character has suffered a massive own just shows how devoid of human interaction they are. Go to any university town and you will quickly find covens of women just waiting to namedrop their epic academic background while they just vampire the fun out of any casual setting.
This guy is like if Owen Wilson and Danger Zone Kenny Loggins had a baby.
God never gives anyone cancer that is Chaos but God can cure cancer.
Some cheeto eating basement dude being super confident about religions they hate is peak Millennial writing.
Hell is just a "lake of fire" then we came up with the idea that it would be eternal hellfire. Maybe Hell is go to a place and get burned into spiritual nothingness
Hell is a place for rebirth and growth that has been warped into an existential threat and punishment.
Burning forever serves no purpose and isn’t inline with anything else.
1. Not written by a millenial. 2. Not even a quote from that movie.
>millennial writing
is this the latest eceleb phrase were going to be spammed with this month?
what do you mean by ecelebs Cinemaphile has always made fun of zoomer/millenial/boomers for various reasons
>always
no, it's been a few short years of this homosexualry being pushed.
I never understood why it's so important for Christians that their God be all powerful and all knowing. Why is it not enough that he be extremely powerful and extremely wise, and that while creation is glorious God was unable to create a world that was perfect?
>and that while creation is glorious God was unable to create a world that was perfect?
There were some Christians that believed this and they're referred to as Gnostics, though Gnosticism is a catch all term for a lot of different sects.
Well, the Bible says God is omnipotent, and if he isn't, the Bible would be wrong and what else might be?
The bible says that God lost a wrestling match to Jacob even though he kicked him in the nuts Gen 32:24-30
Also he isn't even strong enough to defeat people who have iron chariots lmao:
>And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. Judges 1:19
Doesn't seem that omnipotent to me
the ones with iron chariots were Palestinians by the way
"Palestinians" did not exist back then if you are referring to the arabs who call themselves palestinians. Biblical palestinians, or philistines, were descendants of mycenean Greeks, not arabs.
so Palestine is part of Greece officially?
makes sense. israelites should leave Greek clay
No. The nation of Israel was renamed "Palestine" by the Romans in 70AD to humiliate the israelites after they revolted against the Empire. Before that, Palestine and Israel were distinct territories.
Ok the USA used to be a European colony can we kick out all the israelites then?
The USA has never been a European colony because there was no political entity called "Europe" when the Americas were colonized.
what kind of mental illness is this? Europe in name has existed since antiquity
it's israelite schizophrenia and makes as much sense as the "we wuz kangz" stuff.
jews have always been revolting
you should look at the other guys
the other goys ^_^
which faction of israelites are the "other guys"? all israelites aka arabs are the same
>tradlarpers
How was church today?
lol is that some kind of gotcha? how was removing the 19” manatee dildo from your ass, freak? lmao
Doesn't sound like you kept the Sabbath very holy. I'm sure you at least pay your tithes
Why? Because I’m making fun of satanists online after church? Repent or rope, freak lol
Yeah, I'm sure you definitely went to church today and aren't just larping to defend your half-ass faith.
Each one of those groups could push your shit in though.
golem
You will never be a Christian. You have no faith, no knowledge of the bible or real interest in religious practice. You are a deranged incel larping as a religious person. All the 'validation' you get is from other tradlarpers. Real christians look at you with disgust and consider you a spiteful degenerate freak. You will never be catholic. You wrench out a fake prayer every morning and hope that it somehow triggers and owns the libtards. Eventually the lack of sex will be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment, knowing that you would have never given them grandchildren anyway. They will bury you without giving you a christian burial since everyone knew you were larping anyway.
>You will never be catholic
That's fine I'm protestant like all good Americans.
>That's fine I'm protestant like all good Americans.
Donate to israel today or saving it for next paycheck.
The OT is the one that says you have to be friends with the israelites, and Caths pretend like it's not stapled to their book.
Prots are kinda split on the topic since a lot of them are open racists but still have to pretend they do what the Bible says.
The type of person to write this all out is the type of person that will never be mourned. Religion is at best extremely questionable, but this is just toxic.
>ITT: reddit desperately defends this line of dialogue that’s not even from the film
Sometimes I wonder why the atheistic ideas of death are treated as a neutral thing, or a positive thing when compared to eternal life of any kind, and exclusively that.
Why is there no atheistic idea of a terrible death? Who is to say the laws of the universe themselves make death a terrible, painful, neverending thing instead of just nothing? What if the very nature of death without God is still fricking miserable? What if time folds back in on itself and you relive one life over and over? You could've lived for one second as a baby feeling only pain and be forced to relive it. You could get folded back into the world by time but things are different, every atom of your being constantly being torn apart while you're popped back into one random moment of your life and watch it without any of it making sense. There's nothing about this world absent from a God that demands peace eventually.
You were 'dead' for trillions of years before you were suddenly born. You weren't just sitting up with in the clouds playing a harp in God's presence waiting for your chance to come to Earth and post on Cinemaphile. You were nothing with no existence. At the end, you go back to that. One tiny blip of existence in a sea of nothingness.
who says that it all works linearly like that? Just because I was nothing before doesn't mean I'll be nothing forever, again. This could just be our first time on the merry go round. Who says something has to stop existing totally once it has started? If I draw something and erase it, I can still memorize it and make it last beyond that. Maybe we were just drawn. And being 'memorized' by reality might suck ass, we don't know. It might be painful. It might be infinitely painful.
There is a great text about this from 1797 by Jean Paul
https://caesuramag.org/posts/the-dead-christ-proclaims-that-there-is-no-god-jean-paul-brandon-bien
Amazing how much time and energy you guys spend arguing over this made up crap lmao
>Christopher L. Yost 1973
>“What disturbs and depresses young people is the hunt for happiness on the firm assumption that it must be met with in life. From this arises constantly deluded hope and so also dissatisfaction. Deceptive images of a vague happiness hover before us in our dreams, and we search in vain for their original. Much would have been gained if, through timely advice and instruction, young people could have had eradicated from their minds the erroneous notion that the world has a great deal to offer them. Welcome to the ouch, motherfrickers!" - Arthur Schopenhauer
Wait do people unironically believe gnostic stuff? Lmaooo
A good chunk of the trad-larpers on Cinemaphile seem to have their own ideas about God and the cosmology in the Bible. I don't see how that's any different.
It's different in the sense of choosing such an absurd worldview. But I guess there most be a couple of scientologists in Cinemaphile too then lol
I'm sure there was such writing in this movie but can't remember the exact quote
>if god is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good
wait, why?
>and if he is all-good, he cannot be all-powerful
WHY? YOUR FIRST ARGUMENT HAS NOT EVEN BEEN DEFINED AND YOU GO ON TO SAY THE OPPOSITE. WHY CAN HE ONLY BE ONE OR THE OTHER?
Because if he is all good why would he create a world with evil?
>Muh free will!
Could he have made a world with free will and no evil? If he can then why didn't he? If he can't then he’s not all powerful.
>Could he have made a world with free will and no evil
Everything has a divine purpose, even evil. If this seems complex to you, then you're not all powerful and perfect like God. Trying to understand why God made evil is beyond your understanding as a human. This isn't that hard of a concept to grasp. Like I said before, try explaining quantum mechanics to an ant and see how far you get. It's beyond the ants understanding of the world just like only an infinite intelligence that can exist anywhere all at once at anytime can perceive reality. Trying to use human logic on a perfect being is a fool's errand. You don't have the mental capacity to experience reality like God does. This goes over so many people's heads it's amazing.
God created evil but God is good. Again, everything has a divine purpose and sense God is good that purpose is for good. We might not why, but that is what faith is for. You're just suppose to trust in God's plan. (which again, is so complex it's impossible for the human mind to comprehend beyond this reality)
>sense
SINCE FRICK ME
Omega cope lol
>God is perfect and makes no mistakes
He created idiots like you for a reason. Why? We will never know.
As someone who spent 40 minutes listening to an AI voiced rendition of Joshua Graham reading the book of Genisis, I find issues with the notion that God is all powerful, because there's many times when he is slighted even at the peak of his willingness to intervene in human affairs. Satan was able to trick Adam and Eve into eating the apple, without God detecting it. God was like "yo Adam, why are you hiding?" after Adam ate the apple.
Later on, when Cain killed Able, God was like "Uhhhhh Cain why can I hear Able's soul crying out from the earth?". God didn't intrinsically know that Cain had committed murder.
Taking the Bible literally is a genuine left side moment.
What would the right side, MAGA, conservative moment be, then?
The only right side (not pertaining to the meme) is realizing that there are numerous crucial factors such as mistranslations, validity of source, author(s) intentions, nefarious intentions, and the fact that Hebrew and many ancient texts are multifaceted and coded, so taking them literally without being aware of deeper truths, means you’re deep in a cave trying to give meaning to false shadows
>slighted even at the peak of his willingness to intervene in human affairs
These stories made it into a book meant to teach humans lessons and morals in simplified human understanding terms. God acted the way he did for a reason. Even if it might seem petty to you, just look at how far reaching those actions were. You're talking about them thousands of years later and learning from them. A divine purpose.
>without God detecting it
God knew it would happen, and let it happen. If God wanted Satan gone he would just will him away. He doesn't though because he has a plan for him. If that doesn't make sense to you that's because you're not fricking God and an infinite intelligence that can see into forever.
>Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”
“I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?”
The Lord said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”
God is simply talking to Cain in human terms. God was asking if Cain knew what he had done. (which he didn't.) God knew. No where does it say that God was surprised by his actions. God knew all along what would happen.
In both cases God is asking these questions to humans to see if they will lie to him or if they will be honest and repent. He already knows the answer
The writing was so bad that the actor playing Lex started losing his hair
This entire movie
>drew goddard 1975
Why do people still struggle with this?
Light is defined by darkness is defined by light.
You cannot know good without evil, thus it is just and crucial for a creator to supply both so that his creations have true experience.
Evil defines good and gives it the depth which resonates necessary primal frequencies with humans so that they may know.
>people unironically live their lives according to moronic israeli fairy tales
>they even die for them
>The New Testament is a israeli fairy tale.
Christianity is more important to them than Judaism.
Yes. Jesus and all the apostles were israelites. You can literally look at Jesus' family tree in the Gospel of Matthew.
Yes
I denounce the Talmud.
The key to knowing the truth lies not within the light God created, but in the darkness God was in before the creation of light
One thing I never understood about the Abramic religions is that one of the 10 Commandments specifically forbids killing, yet many wars have been fought over religion. israelites, Christians and Muslims all have the Commandments in their books.
Mysterious ways! you can't understand a heckin' gudboy infinite mind, when God says "don't kill" he actually means "kill". Also his rules only apply to his chosen people, which used to be israelites but now its white incels.
Christcucks have redefined it as "murder," which 1. isn't supported by the scripture, their israelite god tells them to kill all the time, and 2. there's a pretty strong argument to be made that killing in war is still murder. But you've already put more thought into it than they have, so don't worry about it.
>millennial writing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurean_paradox
Fricking moron. have a nice day OP
Could god tell why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
Why are atheists always so uneducated and stupid?
I think most atheist people are really just agnostic, if that makes a difference
Because they don't believe israeli folklore is the truth of the universe despite no empirical evidence. Fricking morons.
They believe in factual things like cohesive gasses existing in a vacuum.
And spiritual entities breaking the laws of energy by dissipating completely.
Can you give me empirical evidence of love, honor, justice, friendship and grace?
With that you would defeat your original argument in the first place.
>God gives mankind free will
>also creates evil so that man can choose to be evil
>punishes man for choosing to be evil
It's really pretty fricking simple and you leftygays can't comprehend it. You literally just don't choose to be evil.
>>also creates evil so that man can choose to be evil
why would he do that?
Why not just let mankind have free will to do stuff that isn't sin?
>bro thinks he can just earn his way into heaven for free ezpz
Because a world inhabited by puppets, by automatons that only do what they're being told, is not a world worth existing.
is there free will in heaven?
How could you know that if God's plan is beyond our knowledge?
By thinking for yourself. Turns out Christianity is not about blindly following whatever someone says, despite what you've heard on /r/atheism.
Because God created all things and everything has a divine purpose. God's plan might actually be for us to transcend into Godliness ourselves through technology but we don't know what God's plan is.
Wow you sure know a lot about this incomprehensible God. Almost like you are comprehending him right now. Have you utter pleb ever encountered the difference between positive and negative theology? because you can't do both at once
>Wow you sure know a lot about this incomprehensible God
I know enough that I can't comprehend reality like God does because I'm not a fricking infinite intelligence like God. What the frick is so hard to understand about that?
>trying to pull the "Jesus was israeli!" card
Every time. Even israelites themselves denounce him, because they hate him.
>according to Rabbi-
nice try
>israelites themselves prove that Jesus wasn't a proper israelite and that God has abandoned israelites
At least read the introductory sentence, you utter fricking moron.
>atheist is also a leftist rat who unironically uses "chud" in a serious manner
What a surprise.
>moron is also a chud who has no understanding of the religion is he pretending to believe in
what a surprise
>immediately proves his point
Who gives a frick about religion. Just believe in GOD. Simple as. Human claim God belongs to this religion or to that religion. FRICK THAT. YOU belong to GOD. Not the other way around.
better a heart without words than words without a heart
>Who gives a frick about religion. Just believe in GOD
why?
he's implying he believes in god because of something he feels instead of things people tell him.
Intelligent design
Space and everything in it is too complex to be random happenstance
this feels naive, or maybe just a bit silly. Nothing about complexity implies design.
it's important for my feelings, and if not all people believe maybe it's just an imaginary fren
Spoken like a true reddit parrot. This is your mind talking, not your heart. The demonic presence within you that you need to tame.
Good is defined as whatever God does.
then replace good with another word. Most people don't believe in objective morality. you're getting stumped by the word choice and not focusing on the idea.
The idea is semantical argument. God CAN do anything. What God actually does, we call "good". Morality stems from God.
then don't use the word morality.
Some people do things I like and things I don't. What I like I consider "good" and "just". Or moral. We can swap the words out if you want to reserve those words to mean things that god does.
Instead we can say these things "align with my interest" or "give me a personal feeling of justice" or something. You're again getting stumped by the word choice and ignoring the meaning. Someone who doesn't believe in object morality uses words like "good, morality, justice" to mean things other than what YOU associate with the words.
None of what you said is relevant to the argument. Think about it some more and reply again.
>you said anything god does is good because god decides what's moral and what isn't
>I explained that most people don't use the word good to mean specifically that, and If you want to understand the meaning and concepts they are trying to convey you have to understand that they are using the word differently than you define it
That's all.
>Why doesn’t an all powerful behave according to whatever moral standards are in vogue for humans at the moment
I guess it's usually much more personal, "why doesn't god do what I want if he has my interests in mind" but people do tend to follow each other and not make up their own minds so in effect yeah
when a baby gets cancer and I say "that's not right" I'm not saying "this is some deviation from gods divine plan". I am instead trying to say something more to the effect of "I don't agree with this" or "If I had full control over the universe I would not let this happen"
So David's argument in the OP becomes "If God is all-powerful, then why doesn’t do all the things and I like and not do the things I don't". Doesn’t seem as powerful of an argument.
I think this is a much more correct interpretation.
Imagine if you could speak to God, a being that's been around forever and will never die
Its answers to anything we ask would seem strange and unrelatable because we look at everything from the perspective of a man that exists for a blink of an eye in God's perspective
We can't relate
Does the Bible actually say God is omnipotent?
>300+ replies discussing a line that's from a different movie
Frick you millennials, you either wrote things that we can make fun of or you make literally nothing. Stop making this board shit by doing your usual deflecting bullshit where nothing is ever credited to you and so you always feel like special snowflakes like mom said you were.
Since when is logic “millenial writing”?