Reminder Gillen himself said that Kate identifed herself as heterosexual and therefore she is heterosexual. America can't assign her identity over a joke/tease.
Nico was always conflicted about it. Kate was never conflicted and has never openly teased America about it. It would make no sense. Also it would make even less sense to remain hidden in the closet when you hate your parents and qliterally all your friends are homosexuals.
I've always liked the idea that everyone except Kate was a homo, and she's is the only one America actually wants, and Kate is juuuust "gay enough" to acknowledge Chavez is sexy, but not gay enough to ever actually do anything with, and it tortures America to no end.
And she unloads that sexual frustration on pillow princess Gwenpool, who's down for anything and certainly not an autistic asexual.
Come on, posting gabby Rivera is cheating, her book was so bad, is actually one of the few things marvel reconnected because how shit it was.
Damn, I still can't belive someone so shit became an actual writer.
it's from heroes in crisis.
and that page was actually a highlight
Honestly, we do. A flawed character is always interesting. For example, even if it’s not a comic, Class of ‘09 has a sociopathic implied lesbian as the main character and it has a decently sized gay fanbase. The same goes for the Murcielago manga.
Nicole always gave me more Ace vibes than anything. she doesn't show much sexual attraction to anyway and shows romantic attraction to no one. Every relationship she has with guys or girls is rooted in guilt, or some ulterior motive.
It's just so frustrating because for the longest time men got pushed to be more open and expressive with their emotions and the second they do, the literal SECOND you have stories of men openly expressing brotherly love for people, it's all "FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGS!!"
>we want guys to show emotions >eww did he just cry. Icky
>we want guys to be more open in relationships >you are closer with your bro friend? Why don't you just suck his dick
>we want guys to be more sensitive and compassionate >where are all the good manly guys now? Is all just soiboys
I'm glad I'm done with the dating game and all that shit by meeting someone but the current generation is getting screwed hard by these dumb standards set by people who are easily influenced by media.
4 months ago
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Seriously. I was lucky enough to find a chick who could put up with my bullshit and and can put up with her bullshit and just locked down.
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4 months ago
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It's funny because this is how women are now. >A man using an umbrella? That gives me the Ick!
She still wasn't because within two issues, the Kents forgave her for helping to murder their pregnant daughter-in-law and drive their son insane with grief. Harley is immune to accountability
>it was dumb as frick
Not as dumb as you are for not realising we liked it BECAUSE it was so dumb, you fricking moron. That was the whole charm of Injustice, from Dick dying by falling on a rock to Hal teaming up with Sinestro because Superman said so.
And you gays eat up garbage like this to be ironic and fit in with le epic Cinemaphile crowd as pathetic as that is
4 months ago
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this homie probably doesn't even read Storytimes of Pain
4 months ago
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No because I don't waste my time finishing something I know is trash one issue in
4 months ago
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sad
4 months ago
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>nooo you can't just enjoy storytimes of stupid comics that make you laugh!!! Stop trying to fit in!!!!!
tourist pls
I accept your concession
4 months ago
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>nooo you can't just enjoy storytimes of stupid comics that make you laugh!!! Stop trying to fit in!!!!!
tourist pls
>it was dumb as frick
Not as dumb as you are for not realising we liked it BECAUSE it was so dumb, you fricking moron. That was the whole charm of Injustice, from Dick dying by falling on a rock to Hal teaming up with Sinestro because Superman said so.
>Every single part of HiC is shit so stupid it would have ended Tom King's career if this industry didn't run 100% on nepotism.
Crashing the main Batman comic's sales numbers should have ended his career, too.
Humm... What the frick? You can't make Harley accountable for killing innocent people for decades! So what if she only did it because it makes her pussy wet??? She's quirky, ok? She is the wholesome chungus Deadpool lesbian who is dating the badass eco terrorist who wants to start a human holocaust so people don't step on grass anymore!
Good? Harley absolutely deserves it. People act like she's a complete victim and forget she's insane in her own right, just overshadowed by the Joker.
Not even mentioning she's a murderer.
>the fact that the Flashes were being controlled by an individual who does not have super speed doesn't change anything
I'll be generous and assume that you're just very dedicated to pretending to be moronic.
4 months ago
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That is a decent explanation... if they actually pointed that out AND showed the implications of it clearly.
4 months ago
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NTA but it’s pretty plainly explained in the issue just not on that particular page that’s constantly shared so you’d have to actually read the issue and get the context but we all know Cinemaphile does not like context
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>the fact that the Flashes were being controlled by an individual who does not have super speed doesn't change anything
I'll be generous and assume that you're just very dedicated to pretending to be moronic.
Except that those Flashes were still much much faster than humans.
I remember Batman taking out Superman by whistling even though that makes zero sense since his eardrums are as indestructible as the rest of him. I also remember Batman saying that only worked because Ivy didn't have the level of control Clark does over his body. Then I remember Superman controlled Ivy punching Batman in the face and his head didn't explode into a cloud of red mist because the story couldn't keep it's own logic straight
What an absolute pile of shit.
>but zero outrage at this
It's because your average 'girl boss' character (ESPECIALLY if she's a lesbian) is usually written as the most toxic man imaginable and femishits unironically support this. They hate it in male characters, but love it in female characters.
It's weird right? You flip the orientation around and every gay character suddenly just becomes every obnoxious dude bro jock who's always hitting on or bragging about scoring but because they do it with a twee lisp suddenly it's empowering.
Honestly, we do. A flawed character is always interesting. For example, even if it’s not a comic, Class of ‘09 has a sociopathic implied lesbian as the main character and it has a decently sized gay fanbase. The same goes for the Murcielago manga.
I have mixed feelings because I do believe that superheroes shouldn't kill people because the moment they do, then you can have any crazy bastard putting on a cape and deciding to kill whoever they think they deserve it.
But the way it was portrayed here make it looks bad.
I would agree if the justice system in comics wasn't stupendously idiotic and had no death penalty. A crimnal uses super powers to commits small time robberies? Sure lock him up, if he escapes he will just do another small time robbery, no big deal, just annoying. A crazy mass murdering maniac being locked up for life in prison, once, is understandable. But if he breaks out and kills a bunch more people he MUST be given the death penalty, he is clearly remorseless in his killing and it has been clearly proven that keeping him contained is unfeasible.
The US justice system IS a joke. It doesn't prevent crime it mostly just locks up Black people, poor people, unhoused people, the mentally unwell and drug addicts and real severe crimes like rapists and murderers usually get away with it.
I don’t understand why “homeless” is offensive but “unhoused” is fine. It’s the same fricking thing only the latter sounds like a word a five year old would make up
By saying unhoused it implies that everyone deserves a house and if you are unhoused it's because the system missed you. When you are homeless you just lack a home likely through your own fault.
You are more than likely just one medical emergency away from being homeless
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I see we're at the point of the thread derailment where the election tourists are making up scenarios so they can pretend they're not moronic.
How nice for them.
Please go be triggered somewhere else, trancel.
4 months ago
Anonymous
please go drone on about your dull politics somewhere else
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>derail thread with post using stupid terms like “unhoused people” and poor blacks getting arrested >others point out the post is stupid >hurr hurr thread derailed thanks election tourists
Pot, the kettle called, said something about being black?
I don’t understand why “homeless” is offensive but “unhoused” is fine. It’s the same fricking thing only the latter sounds like a word a five year old would make up
I see we're at the point of the thread derailment where the election tourists are making up scenarios so they can pretend they're not moronic.
How nice for them.
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>derail thread with post using stupid terms like “unhoused people” and poor blacks getting arrested >others point out the post is stupid >hurr hurr thread derailed thanks election tourists
Pot, the kettle called, said something about being black?
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>say dumbshitlike unhoused >get called out on it >shit your pants and cry about it
What annoys me the most about this scene is that the Wrecker was never the I WANNA KILL LITTLE CHILDREN type of villain. He's just a dumb thug that wants to rob banks with his bros, he causes a lot of collateral damage but he would never go out of his way to kill a bus full of children "to prove a point", whatever the frick that means. What point was he trying to prove? That he likes killing children?
And this has never been referenced or retconned away, the Wrecker is canonically a baby killer and nobody ever brings it up.
What the frick? How does that train of thought connects to the next panel? Also hasn't blowing up a bus full of kids triggered like two big events in Marvel TWICE now, why was this time not brought up later?
Look at how thin that fricking fabric is when she folds it up, and how it hugs every tiny muscle in her abdomen. She's showing her ass and vag off every day.
I was just talking with an art friend about how amateurs (like me) tend to make the fabric of clothes be to thin but the artist here definitely did it on purpose
Nah, capeshit artists are just incapable of drawing clothes. They can only draw muscly bodies with the skin coloured weirdly and some random lines to denote seams.
>I call this solemn meeting of Batgirls to order to discuss the sanctuary leak, and the effect it has on team morale. >Stephanie, it's just us two. Babs is in the clocktower. >Probably too ashamed to face us, poor thing. But no. This invasion of privacy cannot stand! So in solidarity with Babs' posterior, I propose that we also post our protrusions for posterity! >...what? >Cass, just take my phone and record my butt! >Okay. >One hour later, at the clocktower >Babs! We're coming in! >Hey girls. What's up? >Listen, we heard about the leak from the Sanctuary, and we just want to say, we're here for you. >*nods* Yes. >I appreciate it. Really. But it's really no big deal. It's no big secret that I got shot, and it won't be the last time. And sure, guys will perv over it, but I've already seen some survivors be inspired to share their own stories. It's worth it. And I have nothing to be ashamed of. And... it is kinda flattering. >Yep. You still got it, boss. >So anyway, what did you want to talk to me about? >Stephanie posted our butts online to make you feel better. >...what?
So what's going on with this now? Everyone has the memories of all their past incarnations, right? So Sue and Light remember this even though it never happened to them? What's it like to suddenly remember that some version of you was raped?
Even before that, Priest’s Deathstroke run and Heroes in Crisis composited New 52 Light with Rapelight, so now in between working for Argus, dying, and becoming a being of pure light he was a supervillian, superhero, and rapist.
And also married to the other Dr Light.
>Priest’s Deathstroke run
I only recall him just like showing up and being a former villain. But he's treated "seriously" in the sense he's not, you know, a deranged rapist or a mind broken idiot. I also don't know how this squares with the other odd shit they've done with him, though. All that to say, just from encountering him in that run, I wouldn't perceive it as confirming any of the other myriad of nonsensical things he's involved with.
>mfw finally reading this story and finding out that the rape shit isn't even the main event, it's just background noise for the most moronic and spiteful murder mystery ever done
>Asgard, but if it was in Brooklyn and the Asgardians were black >It's a run down looking shithole with trash and graffiti everywhere
It was fricking beautiful in a way.
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I am frequently reminded of the bit from The Itis Boondocks episode, where their cook points out a lot of traditional African American food is just like, the shit you eat when you have to make the best of things.
Yeah, you can give your urban hellscape an AESTHETIC to help you find some kind of joy in the maddening reality of your shitty life. But it's just what you do to get by. You're not supposed to see it as aspirational above all else.
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>I am frequently reminded of the bit from The Itis Boondocks episode, where their cook points out a lot of traditional African American food is just like, the shit you eat when you have to make the best of things.
A lot of old school food is like that. People trying to make the near-inedible delicious, because that's all they had to survive on most of the time.
Yeah, Tim's dad dying made no sense, and actually further muddled the story as it didnt align well with the killers reasoning/motivations. I wonder if it was inserted so they could have Drake be an orphan in line with the other Robins.
Elongated Man's sweetheart wife is murdered on his birthday, horrifically burnt alive to really make it horrible. Every year she had a mystery surprise for him and so he's out of the house(the house having every piece of security tech that superheroes can give it, because they're serious about keeping her safe, we're told this as a bunch of superheroes investigate the crime scene and are befuddled over what villain could have bypassed all that security without leaving a trace) to give her room to "surprise" him, because they're such a sweet and perfect couple. This year the surprise was that she was pregnant.
THEN it's revealed that she got raped by dr light years back, the plot just being used to implicate him as the murderer and to open the plot about how the heroes have wiped the minds of villains who became too big of a threat. Except the murder thing is just a fricking red herring, he didn't do it and don't even remember being a rapist until later. Who did kill her? The Atom's wife. She put on his shrinking suit and travelled through the phone line, bypassing the security, and stood on her brain, causing a seizure. Then she tried to cover that death up by burning the body with a flamethrower. Why? Because she felt lonely and wasn't getting enough attention from her husband. She knew that if a wife of a superhero was attacked then all the other superheroes would feel on edge and stay home/pay more attention to THEIR wives. She also faked an attack on herself before this, so that the reader would think a villain was going after the loved ones of superheroes.
Not just needlessly edgy and grim but also VERY moronic. They could easily have told the "some of the superheroes have been brainwashing the villains who got too dangerous" story without putting all that suffering on the Elongated family.
I vaguely recall, and I can no longer fully recall how much evidence there was, that the shitty twist was supposed to be that the Atom himself was the murderer, with the perspective flipped: his wife had divorced, separate?, from him own impetus. So her wanting to find a way to get them back together by murdering people made no sense. But as an excuse for the Atom to get back together with her it makes more sense, even if it's still horrible and stupid.
But it was so obvious early on they did the stupid thing of "oh no, people figured out the obvious twist that we telegraphed but are now upset people immediately called? Better change who the mystery person is and have it make no sense just to have some sort of shock.
shouldnt authors be proud that they wrote a mystery so well that readers can gather themselves the clues and solve it?
isnt that one goal of mystery fiction?
4 months ago
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Authors usually are proud that their mystery is well-constructed enough that people can solve it before the reveal.
Hacks, of which there are many in comics, are instead upset that the audience is smarter than they think and ruin their entire story just to say 'you didn't win! I'm smarter than you because you didn't figure out the twist!'
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>The sign of a good story is being able to surprise people and SUBVERT THEIR EXPECTATIONS >So if people guess the big plot twist I've been building up I'll take a giant shit all over the entire story and make it something different that makes no sense to shock them >ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED YET?
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It's just something that an amateur writer does. They see someone guess the twist, get spooked, and rapidly change the story because if someone can figure it out, surely that means it was too predictable, right? And nobody likes a predictable mystery; they put in all this work fishing up red herrings, they have to amount to something.
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Comics have been like this for decades. Sabretooth would have been revealed as Wolverine's father back in the 70s if some readers didn't guess it, leading to Claremont and Byrne abandoning the idea, and abandoning Sabretooth for other books to use for years.
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>The sign of a good story is being able to surprise people and SUBVERT THEIR EXPECTATIONS >So if people guess the big plot twist I've been building up I'll take a giant shit all over the entire story and make it something different that makes no sense to shock them >ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED YET?
I vaguely recall, and I can no longer fully recall how much evidence there was, that the shitty twist was supposed to be that the Atom himself was the murderer, with the perspective flipped: his wife had divorced, separate?, from him own impetus. So her wanting to find a way to get them back together by murdering people made no sense. But as an excuse for the Atom to get back together with her it makes more sense, even if it's still horrible and stupid.
But it was so obvious early on they did the stupid thing of "oh no, people figured out the obvious twist that we telegraphed but are now upset people immediately called? Better change who the mystery person is and have it make no sense just to have some sort of shock.
If I had a nickel for every major DC event where they sloppily changed the ending because they were mad that fans were able to guess the culprit ahead of time...
4 months ago
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Why is that c**t stealing Bob's finisher.
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>nstead upset that the audience is smarter than they think and ruin their entire story just to say 'you didn't win! I'm smarter than you because you didn't figure out the twist!'
Kek, what's the story here? Did she throw an innocent into the sun!?
4 months ago
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That wasn't an example, that was just a thing that happened.
Purple Man was mortally wounded and went over to Jessica Jones' house to offer a deal before he dies; he'll use his powers to change the world however she wants, just to prove that she's a hypocrite. Jessica refuses the offer and then Purple Man bleeds out in the street. Carol then dumps his body in the sun.
However, because comics absolutely cannot let anyone die under any circumstances, it turns out that Purple Man was still alive, and was mind controlling both of them into thinking he had died. He then mind controls Carol into thinking she threw him into the sun while his son picks him up from the street corner so they can appear in future comics together.
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A good writer strikes a balance. A mystery that's too simple is boring, but last-second changes to "outsmart" the audience is also stupid. Aristotle said that a proper ending should be unexpected but inevitable. That is, the work should surprise you with what happens but be well-constructed enough that in retrospect everything that occurs logically flows and fits together. A good mystery writer gets this, hacks fight against it.
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>Aristotle said that a proper ending should be unexpected but inevitable
Also as I recall the divorce had just gone through at the wife's request. Atom was desperate to get back with her and would have in a second if she just asked instead of faking an attack on a longtime friend.
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This is the biggest screw up in the story. First issue we see that ATom was still into her, and clearly so, and both were apparently on good speaking terms at least. SO all she had to do was say "Hey, I'm sorry, do you wanna go out some time?"
But of course, no, the character who in every past appearance was shown to be reasonably rational was Cruh-aaaazeeeee!
Don't forget, they also killed off Firestorm and other than showing it, there's no commentary about for the rest of the story. They killed Firestorm just so they could later bring in black Firestorm; 2 other guys that somehow also got fused together with the same powers and wear the same outfit.
Oh, and, uh you also forgot, Ralph also died. I don't remember if it was in this story or later, but it still happened.
>Don't forget, they also killed off Firestorm and other than showing it, there's no commentary about for the rest of the story
I was doing a skim through of some DC history, and for some reason, everytime Firestorm showed up he got offed. It was weird. Though I think one time it was just an Identity Crisis Tie in and showing that one again in another issue.
ralph died in 52, with his arc consisting of how he adjusted to sue's death and eventually turned to magic
his death was a good one, to be fair. he tricked neron into killing him and trapped him and felix faust in the tower of fate, then appeared with sue at the end as ghost detectives
ralph and booster were the only good parts of 52, could not care less about batwoman, montoya, black adam, natasha irons, adam strange, starfire and animal man
To top it all off, the solution doesn't even explain everything in the setup that made it so mysterious - for example, in the first issue, Batman mentioning a footprint on Sue's brain, and wondering how there were no footprints on the carpet. At the end, when the murder is shown, Jean is drawn standing on the carpet. But no footprints, right?
Minor quibble. Jean was Ray's estranged ex-wife. She had an affair with a coworker and they got divorced and she married the other guy. This was all back in the 80s.
Because they are. They're some gaming group who are apparently pretty big called FaZe Clan. I've never even heard of them or seen their merch before learning of this story though, and honestly, with how often gaming ecelebs get ousted as pedophiles, I'm betting this issue will age as well as the Subway special.
I always remember the hilarity of the implication that it's modern day acceptable for brothers and sisters to bone and Cap is being weird for not getting that. Doesn't help that Wasp is treating it like its romantic.
Okay, I mean, maybe NOW after all the "HELP MY STEP BRO" porn, but I mean modern day in the sense of the 00's because time is slipping past me faster every day.
Speaking of Ultimates, remember that time Magneto, THE MASTER OF MAGNETISM, got his arm cut off by a sword.
I buy this one because who would get a magic hammer and NOT try to hit their enemy with it? It's the wrong move tactically but it's absolutely the right move emotionally.
Love how the proud warrior who can disarm a guy with one swing turns into a cringing wretch incapable of evasive action the moment she loses her sword, though. THAT'S a badly written death.
Rucka/Loeb/Kelly era may not be better than Geoff/Busiek era or Triangle era, may have some mediocre issues , the storylines could be botched in the end (president Luthor) and got fricked because editorial didn't want to being back SA shit.
But what followed their runs was crap, and DC didn't try to fix the Superman books until the Crisis ended was insane
It's funny how no one ever remembers President Luthor because that's probably one of the biggest wastes of potential in the Superman books. I would love for them to revisit that one day but do it good. Actually the fact that they botched it is the REASON why no one remembers it.
>It's funny how no one ever remembers President Luthor because that's probably one of the biggest wastes of potential in the Superman books. I would love for them to revisit that one day but do it good. Actually the fact that they botched it is the REASON why no one remembers it.
President Luthor, Norman Osborn in Dark Reign, and Mayor Kingpin all share similar problems in the execution and end on a similar plot beat. All of them have the same problem of "the entire superhero community, even the ones who've never had any history with this guy at all, all just...somehow...know he's evil and refuse even the most basic co-operation with this guy who's now a legitimate authority figure, and the story always ends with the villain overreaching and risking everything he's gained and going crazy just so the heroes can punch him out of office.
Nah, President Luthor is pretty well remembered.
It isn't followed up on by writers, but if you ask someone about Lex Luthor, and they know who he is, him being president is also something they probably remember.
>Why is DC so bad at collected editions?
Don't get me started, frendo. They're just now starting a new format called "Compendiums" and it looks like they could be halfway decent. I expect to die of old age before they complete any series I care about tho.
Seriously. They'll put out some nice collected editions of mini series, events and elseworlds but so much of their classic lines are just left to rot. When you compare to how much shit is in marvel omnibus or epic format it's insane how DC is just sleeping on this stuff.
>Why is DC so bad at collected editions?
Don't get me started, frendo. They're just now starting a new format called "Compendiums" and it looks like they could be halfway decent. I expect to die of old age before they complete any series I care about tho.
And people wonder why capeshit is dying. It's so user-unfriendly it's not even funny.
Yeah, Tim's dad dying made no sense, and actually further muddled the story as it didnt align well with the killers reasoning/motivations. I wonder if it was inserted so they could have Drake be an orphan in line with the other Robins.
Undoubtably. Here's the page for those who haven't seen it.
It's from Action Comics 822.
For as more context regarding other stuff in the issue, read Action Comics 815 and just keep going.
No clue if it's a thing where multiple titles are involved or if you can just read from 815 to 816 to 817 and so on and so on, because the DC wiki doesn't say, even though I'm pretty sure at least ONE thing had to have taken place in an issue of something else to explain something on that page, but I can't figure out what issue of what because character appearances are sorted by what the issue is called and not when it was released like on the Marvel wiki.
Lana Lang left her underwear in Clark and Lois' home because she's still obsessed with Clark despite being married with children herself, and wants to ruin their marriage so he'll leave Lois and go back to her. Also, it turns out Ma Kent never liked Lois and always wished that Clark had chosen Lana. You're meant to sympathize with Lana and see Lois as a huge b***h btw.
Chuck Austen's work at Marvel is infamous, but his work at DC was also terrible.
Slight correction, Lana had already divorced Pete Ross by then. Still fricked up.
Another correction, Lana didn't intentionally leave the underwear, Lana had been taking care of an injured Clark at his home while Lois was covering a war abroad (where she herself got injured).
DCAU did Lana the best. She grew up to be a giga-Stacy fashion designer with a heart of gold. She's fearless and holds a flame for Clark in her heart, but doesn't act like a butt-hurt cuck and moves on.
>Sauron, the humanoid Pterodactyl X-Man villain is so named because of DinoSAUR >Right? >No he named himself after Sauron, the LotR villain, because he was a gigantic fricking nerd
This was the late 60's though. Hippies and other normies of all descriptions were reading it. It was popular enough National Lampoon published a spoof of it.
If this was real life, they'd be spitting on him and calling him baby killer. Interesting though if not an exaggeration. I didn't know flash was a vet. (although somebody should've told the colorist blue is air force.)
>I didn't know flash was a vet
It's kinda his whole deal? Lost his legs in the war, became Agent Venom because the symbiote made him able to walk again?
The most successful piece of propaganda the US government ever pulled off was making everyone believe that the anti-war movement spit on and assaulted all soldiers that came home. In reality the movement always worked with returning vets to stop the war, recognising that it was the government causing all that shit not the soldiers forced to go over there. The vets were the ones talking about the horrible shit they were made to do, de-glorifying the war and radicalising more people into being against it. But if that was allowed to continue then the anti-war movement would live on and stop any future wars, and so they had to sow the seed of hate between vets and the anti-war movement so that they wouldn't form a united front for the next war.
If this was real life, they'd be spitting on him and calling him baby killer. Interesting though if not an exaggeration. I didn't know flash was a vet. (although somebody should've told the colorist blue is air force.)
That page is from 1967. Domestic opposition to Vietnam may have been building up, but it wasn't anywhere close to that level yet, and My Lai was still a year away.
IIRC there's some stuff in the 70s Spider-Man comics where they addressed Flash's veteran status and the negative association that brought on him in-universe
Sure, but it's still wild to specifically name yourself Sauron because you think it's the only name capable of manifesting the grandeur of your evilness.
Okay, but is it still pronounced like the saur in dinosaur?
I can believe he might not have known the proper way to pronounce it since he would've only read it instead of hearing it.
Has he been in anything with voice acting, or is he only in the comics?
Did it? The book would have been far newer at the time this issue came out (1955) so Sauron's first appearance in 1969 (good lord just let this all settle in for a moment) might ruffle some feathers but I also don't know if I picture Tolkien ever even noticing what happens in American funny books. Though the publishers probably would. And the X-men line was technically cancelled and in reprint mode for a long while after this and honestly I can't think of too many Suaron appearances if any between then. So maybe it could have
It's a little more complicated than that. Polanski believed and still believe that Bruce was having an affair with Sharon Tate so he insisted to the police that Bruce was somehow implicated with the Manson family but the police instantly dismissed it. And Quentin spent a lot of time with Polanski as consultant for OUATIH. The rest is history
Remember when Iron Man and the new (at the time) Crimson Dynamo got their minds swapped for an issue and Tony totally fricked his girlfriend?
At least one person did, because this story got referenced later. Not the girlfriend fricking part, but the general premise of the issue.
And at the end of that story Iron Man is gonna frick Black Widow, then he realizes her name is Natasha and Titanium man's name is Boris and starts laughing.
See this is why people hate constant gay coating. It's never enough to just be treated like regular people who exist. You have to be smugly self aware and self important and insist that everyone around you is a gay as well because of the most casual of passing thoughts.
Remember when Deadpool was actually a tragic character beneath all the humor and gags and not an Animaniac who can do whatever he wants because LOL FUNNEH. I do.
>a tragic character beneath all the humor and gags
If you haven't read them, the Posehn and Duggan runs went back to that characterization for him and basically went opposite to Waypool.
As for Deapdool's current status, I dunno.
>"Gay? Sure, until you try dick"
>whatthefrickBlack person
what a fricking horrible thing to say to someone, it would obviously just weird them out and not laugh in any way.
only if they were homophobic and socially moronic like you. most people would just laugh it off, and that's coming from someone who hates this page
shut up, homosexual.
Reminder Gillen himself said that Kate identifed herself as heterosexual and therefore she is heterosexual. America can't assign her identity over a joke/tease.
how else is she going to be paired up with a black guy
Well it will change. Runaways did this with Nico.
And it was for the better.
Nico was always conflicted about it. Kate was never conflicted and has never openly teased America about it. It would make no sense. Also it would make even less sense to remain hidden in the closet when you hate your parents and qliterally all your friends are homosexuals.
I've always liked the idea that everyone except Kate was a homo, and she's is the only one America actually wants, and Kate is juuuust "gay enough" to acknowledge Chavez is sexy, but not gay enough to ever actually do anything with, and it tortures America to no end.
And she unloads that sexual frustration on pillow princess Gwenpool, who's down for anything and certainly not an autistic asexual.
Garth Ennis was right, shit like this needs to be thown in a incinerator.
Welcome to pain.
Remember when Ryan got murdered and shoved in a matchbox?
Come on, posting gabby Rivera is cheating, her book was so bad, is actually one of the few things marvel reconnected because how shit it was.
Damn, I still can't belive someone so shit became an actual writer.
Not every comic featuring America Chavez is from Gabby Rivera anon.
>Come on, posting gabby Rivera is cheating
This is pre-Gabby. Chaves was always a c**t.
Guys should be able to be tender outside of war drama.
Lmfao when did this happened?
think that's from the Injustice comic so you know, "thanks for strapping a bomb to our daughter-in-law and grandchild"
it's from heroes in crisis.
and that page was actually a highlight
Nicole always gave me more Ace vibes than anything. she doesn't show much sexual attraction to anyway and shows romantic attraction to no one. Every relationship she has with guys or girls is rooted in guilt, or some ulterior motive.
>it's from heroes in crisis.
No, Injustice. Follow that reply chain back up
Jesus thats a sensitive butthole, immediate over reaction. She touched a nerve.
Nah. We are just tired of your porn suck homosexuals calling every bit of friendship is in denial wannabe buttfricking homosexuals.
Porn, shipping and fanfic has ruined an entire generation
It's just so frustrating because for the longest time men got pushed to be more open and expressive with their emotions and the second they do, the literal SECOND you have stories of men openly expressing brotherly love for people, it's all "FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGS!!"
>we want guys to show emotions
>eww did he just cry. Icky
>we want guys to be more open in relationships
>you are closer with your bro friend? Why don't you just suck his dick
>we want guys to be more sensitive and compassionate
>where are all the good manly guys now? Is all just soiboys
I'm glad I'm done with the dating game and all that shit by meeting someone but the current generation is getting screwed hard by these dumb standards set by people who are easily influenced by media.
Seriously. I was lucky enough to find a chick who could put up with my bullshit and and can put up with her bullshit and just locked down.
It's funny because this is how women are now.
>A man using an umbrella? That gives me the Ick!
>Jesus thats a sensitive butthole, immediate over reaction. She touched a nerve.
>desperately racing to prove anon right
lol
>she
LMFAO
moron alert
>Moments That Actually Happened
That whole series fits the bill, wtf were they smoking
Taylor had to make a comic adaptation of a fighting game where half the Justice League went "evil". Unsurprising none of it made sense.
basadisimo
This is the ONLY good thing that came out of this series.
The Butlering?
homie you best check yourself before Alfred wrecks yoself.
I stand on my answer. We've seen Alfred kick ass before but how often is Quinn held accountable for her bullshit?
She still wasn't because within two issues, the Kents forgave her for helping to murder their pregnant daughter-in-law and drive their son insane with grief. Harley is immune to accountability
Injustice is shit to begin with, the entire concept was awful
Was there any context here not apparent from the panels alone? Was he juiced up on some super strength kryptonite or was Clark depowered?
The pills in that panel, I believe.
Forced hype, it was dumb as frick
yes, it was dumb, that's why it was hype
And you gays eat up garbage like this to be ironic and fit in with le epic Cinemaphile crowd as pathetic as that is
this homie probably doesn't even read Storytimes of Pain
No because I don't waste my time finishing something I know is trash one issue in
sad
I accept your concession
>nooo you can't just enjoy storytimes of stupid comics that make you laugh!!! Stop trying to fit in!!!!!
tourist pls
>it was dumb as frick
Not as dumb as you are for not realising we liked it BECAUSE it was so dumb, you fricking moron. That was the whole charm of Injustice, from Dick dying by falling on a rock to Hal teaming up with Sinestro because Superman said so.
The Superman-Flash chess game?
>muh slippery slope
snore
Shitting on Harley is good though.
Every single part of HiC is shit so stupid it would have ended Tom King's career if this industry didn't run 100% on nepotism.
>Shitting on Harley is good though.
Exactly. Buried underneath all the shit that is Injustice, there's this
.
Injustice was the most fun comic that came out in the entire decade.
taking.a.cab.to.a.con.jpg
>Black person
AH HA HA HA HA HA!
Batman and Detective Chimp catching a ride home after an ill-advised night of passion?
prophunt
The Plastic Man Jailbreak special was funny
>Ski-bi dibby dib yo da dub dub
>Every single part of HiC is shit so stupid it would have ended Tom King's career if this industry didn't run 100% on nepotism.
Crashing the main Batman comic's sales numbers should have ended his career, too.
Writing the most mediocre "noir" mystery of all time and waffling on about how it might be canon should have too.
holy basado
Humm... What the frick? You can't make Harley accountable for killing innocent people for decades! So what if she only did it because it makes her pussy wet??? She's quirky, ok? She is the wholesome chungus Deadpool lesbian who is dating the badass eco terrorist who wants to start a human holocaust so people don't step on grass anymore!
Good? Harley absolutely deserves it. People act like she's a complete victim and forget she's insane in her own right, just overshadowed by the Joker.
Not even mentioning she's a murderer.
Harley is a character that exists and is justified purely by cosplay bawds look for a cheap costume they can pretend makes them a geek girl
Fantastic! That old woman is based beyond compare.
>N-NOOO ! Y-YOU MUST FORGIVE THE bawd W-WHO HELPED T-TO NUKE A CITY !
I like that America wants to frick Kate so bad that she’s trying to gaslight her. We need horny scumbag lesbians.
>Harley is faster than Clark and Diana
>Bruce is completely helpless
We need a decent writer to make it fun.
Remember when Catwoman BTFO the entire Flash family by herself in Heroes in Crisis?
Embarrassing but Ivy was puppeting them.
Yes, so they are only 5,000 times faster than she is, instead of 500,000,000 times faster than she is.
Remember when you never stopped taking that scene out of context no matter how often you had it explained to you?
anon, the context doesn't change anything.
>the fact that the Flashes were being controlled by an individual who does not have super speed doesn't change anything
I'll be generous and assume that you're just very dedicated to pretending to be moronic.
That is a decent explanation... if they actually pointed that out AND showed the implications of it clearly.
NTA but it’s pretty plainly explained in the issue just not on that particular page that’s constantly shared so you’d have to actually read the issue and get the context but we all know Cinemaphile does not like context
Except that those Flashes were still much much faster than humans.
I remember Batman taking out Superman by whistling even though that makes zero sense since his eardrums are as indestructible as the rest of him. I also remember Batman saying that only worked because Ivy didn't have the level of control Clark does over his body. Then I remember Superman controlled Ivy punching Batman in the face and his head didn't explode into a cloud of red mist because the story couldn't keep it's own logic straight
What an absolute pile of shit.
PG would just have lasered Harley’s arm off.
You dont understand...
SHE IS HEKING CRAZY!!!!!!!
That scene was fricking embarrassing.
It's America trying to groom Kate
>only reason america is friends with Kate is because she wants to frick her
Pretty fricking scummy but zero outrage at this
I mean America is basically a traumatized alien womanchild desperately holding on to her sanity. I don’t expect she knows how to human
>but zero outrage at this
It's because your average 'girl boss' character (ESPECIALLY if she's a lesbian) is usually written as the most toxic man imaginable and femishits unironically support this. They hate it in male characters, but love it in female characters.
It's weird right? You flip the orientation around and every gay character suddenly just becomes every obnoxious dude bro jock who's always hitting on or bragging about scoring but because they do it with a twee lisp suddenly it's empowering.
better yet we need men who frick scumbag lesbians
>We need horny scumbag lesbians.
We almost got that.
Tell us, don’t leave us with nothing
Honestly, we do. A flawed character is always interesting. For example, even if it’s not a comic, Class of ‘09 has a sociopathic implied lesbian as the main character and it has a decently sized gay fanbase. The same goes for the Murcielago manga.
What an obnoxious fricking character
Isn't it against the woke rules to out someone like this?
Only if it's a straight guy or woman doing it; rules for thee, not for me.
This...This is infuriating.
You're allowed to want to kill someone who murders a bus fill of kindergarteners.
No anon you have to be a hero. A bus full of dead kids is a small price to pay for us to keep our moral high ground.
the Sentry has always been a mistake
I remember when Sentry was the worst thing Marvel did.
I miss those days.
I have mixed feelings because I do believe that superheroes shouldn't kill people because the moment they do, then you can have any crazy bastard putting on a cape and deciding to kill whoever they think they deserve it.
But the way it was portrayed here make it looks bad.
I would agree if the justice system in comics wasn't stupendously idiotic and had no death penalty. A crimnal uses super powers to commits small time robberies? Sure lock him up, if he escapes he will just do another small time robbery, no big deal, just annoying. A crazy mass murdering maniac being locked up for life in prison, once, is understandable. But if he breaks out and kills a bunch more people he MUST be given the death penalty, he is clearly remorseless in his killing and it has been clearly proven that keeping him contained is unfeasible.
The US justice system IS a joke. It doesn't prevent crime it mostly just locks up Black people, poor people, unhoused people, the mentally unwell and drug addicts and real severe crimes like rapists and murderers usually get away with it.
>locks up black people, poor people, unhoused people and the mentally unwell and drug addicts
>real severe crimes like rapists and murderers usually get away with it.
Wait till you find out who makes up the racial and mental demogrpahics of rapists and murderers
Also B black, and unhoused aren't real words. Drug addicts should be locked up and the mentally unwell should be in asylum.
2/10 bait because I responded to it
I don’t understand why “homeless” is offensive but “unhoused” is fine. It’s the same fricking thing only the latter sounds like a word a five year old would make up
It's the word game shit leftists love play.
By saying unhoused it implies that everyone deserves a house and if you are unhoused it's because the system missed you. When you are homeless you just lack a home likely through your own fault.
You are more than likely just one medical emergency away from being homeless
Please go be triggered somewhere else, trancel.
please go drone on about your dull politics somewhere else
I see we're at the point of the thread derailment where the election tourists are making up scenarios so they can pretend they're not moronic.
How nice for them.
>derail thread with post using stupid terms like “unhoused people” and poor blacks getting arrested
>others point out the post is stupid
>hurr hurr thread derailed thanks election tourists
Pot, the kettle called, said something about being black?
>say dumbshitlike unhoused
>get called out on it
>shit your pants and cry about it
Life must be hard for you
>saying 'colored people' is bad
>saying 'people of color' is good
Literally no difference.
What annoys me the most about this scene is that the Wrecker was never the I WANNA KILL LITTLE CHILDREN type of villain. He's just a dumb thug that wants to rob banks with his bros, he causes a lot of collateral damage but he would never go out of his way to kill a bus full of children "to prove a point", whatever the frick that means. What point was he trying to prove? That he likes killing children?
And this has never been referenced or retconned away, the Wrecker is canonically a baby killer and nobody ever brings it up.
>israeli
Of course he'd be okay with killing kids
What the frick? How does that train of thought connects to the next panel? Also hasn't blowing up a bus full of kids triggered like two big events in Marvel TWICE now, why was this time not brought up later?
I'm a bi guy that got into Young Avengers because of Hulking and Wiccan, and even I cringed at this.
God I hated YA 2.0. Only good issue was that one with Speed working as a superhero temp.
young avengers was so good when it started
its sad it devolved into drivel
Heroes in Crisis has so many gems. Did the Sanctuary Leak ever amount to anything?
>Sanctuary Leak
>it is canon to the DC universe that Batgirl showed off her ass to the entire world
Look at how thin that fricking fabric is when she folds it up, and how it hugs every tiny muscle in her abdomen. She's showing her ass and vag off every day.
I was just talking with an art friend about how amateurs (like me) tend to make the fabric of clothes be to thin but the artist here definitely did it on purpose
Nah, capeshit artists are just incapable of drawing clothes. They can only draw muscly bodies with the skin coloured weirdly and some random lines to denote seams.
Hmm, wrong.
We are actually living in an age with the most talented comic artists.
So how long do you think Babs spent trying to purge this vid from porn sites before she gave up?
>I call this solemn meeting of Batgirls to order to discuss the sanctuary leak, and the effect it has on team morale.
>Stephanie, it's just us two. Babs is in the clocktower.
>Probably too ashamed to face us, poor thing. But no. This invasion of privacy cannot stand! So in solidarity with Babs' posterior, I propose that we also post our protrusions for posterity!
>...what?
>Cass, just take my phone and record my butt!
>Okay.
>One hour later, at the clocktower
>Babs! We're coming in!
>Hey girls. What's up?
>Listen, we heard about the leak from the Sanctuary, and we just want to say, we're here for you.
>*nods* Yes.
>I appreciate it. Really. But it's really no big deal. It's no big secret that I got shot, and it won't be the last time. And sure, guys will perv over it, but I've already seen some survivors be inspired to share their own stories. It's worth it. And I have nothing to be ashamed of. And... it is kinda flattering.
>Yep. You still got it, boss.
>So anyway, what did you want to talk to me about?
>Stephanie posted our butts online to make you feel better.
>...what?
I like this! I 80% could see this being an actual scene in Birds of Prey, at least in a more comedic run of it.
Happy to have entertained!
She has a button that can turn off the internet. Comic book super hacking bullshit could take it down easily
She can't keep the Internet shut off forever. Eventually someone is going to start asking questions. The coverup is always worse than the crime.
Why is every comic these days so up it's own fricking ass pretending the events in it will be important
What possessed the drooling mongoloids at DC to get it in their skulls this was a good idea?
>What possessed the drooling mongoloids at DC to get it in their skulls this was a good idea?
What's wrong here?
The same reason alot of things turn to rape...CHEAP SHOCK AND DRAMA without the investment.
I think at that timeDidio had a plan that involve
>Clark and Lois divorce
>the destruction of dick grayson
and some crappy shit involving multiverse
They wanted to do it before Marvel.
Mid 2000s DC was full of middle aged horny men and edgelords .
So what's going on with this now? Everyone has the memories of all their past incarnations, right? So Sue and Light remember this even though it never happened to them? What's it like to suddenly remember that some version of you was raped?
Even before that, Priest’s Deathstroke run and Heroes in Crisis composited New 52 Light with Rapelight, so now in between working for Argus, dying, and becoming a being of pure light he was a supervillian, superhero, and rapist.
And also married to the other Dr Light.
>Priest’s Deathstroke run
I only recall him just like showing up and being a former villain. But he's treated "seriously" in the sense he's not, you know, a deranged rapist or a mind broken idiot. I also don't know how this squares with the other odd shit they've done with him, though. All that to say, just from encountering him in that run, I wouldn't perceive it as confirming any of the other myriad of nonsensical things he's involved with.
He mentions most of it, even the resurrected being of pure light thing, but yeah, it doesn’t really fit
Ooops, you're right. I completely forgot he mentions that whole absurd history when they chat about Slade's turn to heroism.
>mfw finally reading this story and finding out that the rape shit isn't even the main event, it's just background noise for the most moronic and spiteful murder mystery ever done
Identity Crisis' shittery is fricking fractal. The closer you look, the worse it fricking gets.
Yeah Identity Crisis was a weird story. The rape was the low point but not the worst of the writing, that came when Tim's dad died.
Speaking of, in 2009:
I love the fact that Gotham cinemas have roof access ladders at the balconies, for when the phantoms want to watch a movie.
I just find it hard to believe that Digger liked that movie.
It's cute but also fricked up.
Anybody remember this gem?
>"BY ODIN'S FADE!"
>Odin is shown to be completely bald
>Asgard, but if it was in Brooklyn and the Asgardians were black
>It's a run down looking shithole with trash and graffiti everywhere
It was fricking beautiful in a way.
I am frequently reminded of the bit from The Itis Boondocks episode, where their cook points out a lot of traditional African American food is just like, the shit you eat when you have to make the best of things.
Yeah, you can give your urban hellscape an AESTHETIC to help you find some kind of joy in the maddening reality of your shitty life. But it's just what you do to get by. You're not supposed to see it as aspirational above all else.
>I am frequently reminded of the bit from The Itis Boondocks episode, where their cook points out a lot of traditional African American food is just like, the shit you eat when you have to make the best of things.
A lot of old school food is like that. People trying to make the near-inedible delicious, because that's all they had to survive on most of the time.
does this artist think shoes on the powerlines is decoration?
cause it's not it's to signal which streets you can get drugs or hookers
>graffiti everywhere
>shoes on power lines
>obsession with shoes
All that's missing is an A. Wyatt Mann signature.
>graffiti on Mjolnir
Thats nice
Isn't Boomerang the one who killed his dad in the first place?
Yes. That's why there was tension between Owen and Tim, and the story was at least partly intended to show them getting along.
Yeah, Tim's dad dying made no sense, and actually further muddled the story as it didnt align well with the killers reasoning/motivations. I wonder if it was inserted so they could have Drake be an orphan in line with the other Robins.
>most moronic and spiteful murder mystery ever done
Do tell.
The culprit was Jean Loring, aka the ex wife of Ray Palmer who did it because she was lonely
Elongated Man's sweetheart wife is murdered on his birthday, horrifically burnt alive to really make it horrible. Every year she had a mystery surprise for him and so he's out of the house(the house having every piece of security tech that superheroes can give it, because they're serious about keeping her safe, we're told this as a bunch of superheroes investigate the crime scene and are befuddled over what villain could have bypassed all that security without leaving a trace) to give her room to "surprise" him, because they're such a sweet and perfect couple. This year the surprise was that she was pregnant.
THEN it's revealed that she got raped by dr light years back, the plot just being used to implicate him as the murderer and to open the plot about how the heroes have wiped the minds of villains who became too big of a threat. Except the murder thing is just a fricking red herring, he didn't do it and don't even remember being a rapist until later. Who did kill her? The Atom's wife. She put on his shrinking suit and travelled through the phone line, bypassing the security, and stood on her brain, causing a seizure. Then she tried to cover that death up by burning the body with a flamethrower. Why? Because she felt lonely and wasn't getting enough attention from her husband. She knew that if a wife of a superhero was attacked then all the other superheroes would feel on edge and stay home/pay more attention to THEIR wives. She also faked an attack on herself before this, so that the reader would think a villain was going after the loved ones of superheroes.
Not just needlessly edgy and grim but also VERY moronic. They could easily have told the "some of the superheroes have been brainwashing the villains who got too dangerous" story without putting all that suffering on the Elongated family.
I vaguely recall, and I can no longer fully recall how much evidence there was, that the shitty twist was supposed to be that the Atom himself was the murderer, with the perspective flipped: his wife had divorced, separate?, from him own impetus. So her wanting to find a way to get them back together by murdering people made no sense. But as an excuse for the Atom to get back together with her it makes more sense, even if it's still horrible and stupid.
But it was so obvious early on they did the stupid thing of "oh no, people figured out the obvious twist that we telegraphed but are now upset people immediately called? Better change who the mystery person is and have it make no sense just to have some sort of shock.
shouldnt authors be proud that they wrote a mystery so well that readers can gather themselves the clues and solve it?
isnt that one goal of mystery fiction?
Authors usually are proud that their mystery is well-constructed enough that people can solve it before the reveal.
Hacks, of which there are many in comics, are instead upset that the audience is smarter than they think and ruin their entire story just to say 'you didn't win! I'm smarter than you because you didn't figure out the twist!'
>The sign of a good story is being able to surprise people and SUBVERT THEIR EXPECTATIONS
>So if people guess the big plot twist I've been building up I'll take a giant shit all over the entire story and make it something different that makes no sense to shock them
>ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS SUBVERTED YET?
It's just something that an amateur writer does. They see someone guess the twist, get spooked, and rapidly change the story because if someone can figure it out, surely that means it was too predictable, right? And nobody likes a predictable mystery; they put in all this work fishing up red herrings, they have to amount to something.
Comics have been like this for decades. Sabretooth would have been revealed as Wolverine's father back in the 70s if some readers didn't guess it, leading to Claremont and Byrne abandoning the idea, and abandoning Sabretooth for other books to use for years.
If I had a nickel for every major DC event where they sloppily changed the ending because they were mad that fans were able to guess the culprit ahead of time...
Why is that c**t stealing Bob's finisher.
>nstead upset that the audience is smarter than they think and ruin their entire story just to say 'you didn't win! I'm smarter than you because you didn't figure out the twist!'
Kek, what's the story here? Did she throw an innocent into the sun!?
That wasn't an example, that was just a thing that happened.
Purple Man was mortally wounded and went over to Jessica Jones' house to offer a deal before he dies; he'll use his powers to change the world however she wants, just to prove that she's a hypocrite. Jessica refuses the offer and then Purple Man bleeds out in the street. Carol then dumps his body in the sun.
However, because comics absolutely cannot let anyone die under any circumstances, it turns out that Purple Man was still alive, and was mind controlling both of them into thinking he had died. He then mind controls Carol into thinking she threw him into the sun while his son picks him up from the street corner so they can appear in future comics together.
A good writer strikes a balance. A mystery that's too simple is boring, but last-second changes to "outsmart" the audience is also stupid. Aristotle said that a proper ending should be unexpected but inevitable. That is, the work should surprise you with what happens but be well-constructed enough that in retrospect everything that occurs logically flows and fits together. A good mystery writer gets this, hacks fight against it.
>Aristotle said that a proper ending should be unexpected but inevitable
Any good examples of that?
Also as I recall the divorce had just gone through at the wife's request. Atom was desperate to get back with her and would have in a second if she just asked instead of faking an attack on a longtime friend.
This is the biggest screw up in the story. First issue we see that ATom was still into her, and clearly so, and both were apparently on good speaking terms at least. SO all she had to do was say "Hey, I'm sorry, do you wanna go out some time?"
But of course, no, the character who in every past appearance was shown to be reasonably rational was Cruh-aaaazeeeee!
>the cute “hey dummy I’m right here” lean
They killed this
Frick em
Don't forget, they also killed off Firestorm and other than showing it, there's no commentary about for the rest of the story. They killed Firestorm just so they could later bring in black Firestorm; 2 other guys that somehow also got fused together with the same powers and wear the same outfit.
Oh, and, uh you also forgot, Ralph also died. I don't remember if it was in this story or later, but it still happened.
>Don't forget, they also killed off Firestorm and other than showing it, there's no commentary about for the rest of the story
I was doing a skim through of some DC history, and for some reason, everytime Firestorm showed up he got offed. It was weird. Though I think one time it was just an Identity Crisis Tie in and showing that one again in another issue.
ralph died in 52, with his arc consisting of how he adjusted to sue's death and eventually turned to magic
his death was a good one, to be fair. he tricked neron into killing him and trapped him and felix faust in the tower of fate, then appeared with sue at the end as ghost detectives
ralph and booster were the only good parts of 52, could not care less about batwoman, montoya, black adam, natasha irons, adam strange, starfire and animal man
To top it all off, the solution doesn't even explain everything in the setup that made it so mysterious - for example, in the first issue, Batman mentioning a footprint on Sue's brain, and wondering how there were no footprints on the carpet. At the end, when the murder is shown, Jean is drawn standing on the carpet. But no footprints, right?
Bruce thought it had to be a big guy who did the killing, he wasn't expected a light-footed dame to be standing on the carpet.
Minor quibble. Jean was Ray's estranged ex-wife. She had an affair with a coworker and they got divorced and she married the other guy. This was all back in the 80s.
Shit is pretty fricking stupid even when it isn't just being ugly.
Interesting how this shit, Cru for Justice and OMD came on the same period and by the same spergs ruling the comic industry.
Ennis was Right, AGAIN
At least this lead to the Seven Soldiers: Zatanna mini, which is one of the best Zee stories ever written.
I can't believe batman got addicted to final fantasy xiv.
>some old lady was robbed and died from the fall after the mugger pushed her because Batman had to grind xp
Frickin jrpgs are a menace I tell you
>Alfred you don't understand, I'm just one game away from platinum
What is this shit. Why do I feel like these guys are youtubers or streamers.
Because they are. They're some gaming group who are apparently pretty big called FaZe Clan. I've never even heard of them or seen their merch before learning of this story though, and honestly, with how often gaming ecelebs get ousted as pedophiles, I'm betting this issue will age as well as the Subway special.
>gaylors at taylor
Ultimate Wanda and Pietro being incestuous
I always remember the hilarity of the implication that it's modern day acceptable for brothers and sisters to bone and Cap is being weird for not getting that. Doesn't help that Wasp is treating it like its romantic.
Okay, I mean, maybe NOW after all the "HELP MY STEP BRO" porn, but I mean modern day in the sense of the 00's because time is slipping past me faster every day.
Speaking of Ultimates, remember that time Magneto, THE MASTER OF MAGNETISM, got his arm cut off by a sword.
That sword is clearly made from bronze. Check mate mutie.
what's weirder is he still uses his powers to grab it from her and kill her after he lost his arm
She is so damn hot.
Even then, genetic incest is still seen as taboo. the "help stepbro" thing is seen as a bypass since its not actual relation, and its still mocked.
I buy this one because who would get a magic hammer and NOT try to hit their enemy with it? It's the wrong move tactically but it's absolutely the right move emotionally.
Love how the proud warrior who can disarm a guy with one swing turns into a cringing wretch incapable of evasive action the moment she loses her sword, though. THAT'S a badly written death.
You mean the proud warrior who thought trying to kill Magneto with a sword made of metal was a good idea?
i feel like in that case you should be MORE prepared to dodge, not less...
Whose the woman?
Ultimate Valkyrie, a hippie who fricked Hank Pym and Thor
This was so fricking gross and Wasp trying to act like Steve was in the wrong was hilarious.
God I've read so many shitty comics for Joe Mad's art
>NEWSFLASH GRANDPA SIBLINGS FRICK NOW
Rucka/Loeb/Kelly era may not be better than Geoff/Busiek era or Triangle era, may have some mediocre issues , the storylines could be botched in the end (president Luthor) and got fricked because editorial didn't want to being back SA shit.
But what followed their runs was crap, and DC didn't try to fix the Superman books until the Crisis ended was insane
It's funny how no one ever remembers President Luthor because that's probably one of the biggest wastes of potential in the Superman books. I would love for them to revisit that one day but do it good. Actually the fact that they botched it is the REASON why no one remembers it.
That and the whole New Krypton era too.
>It's funny how no one ever remembers President Luthor
I feel like most people do but only because of the vague, incomplete version of it in JLU.
And it was done way better theren
>It's funny how no one ever remembers President Luthor because that's probably one of the biggest wastes of potential in the Superman books. I would love for them to revisit that one day but do it good. Actually the fact that they botched it is the REASON why no one remembers it.
President Luthor, Norman Osborn in Dark Reign, and Mayor Kingpin all share similar problems in the execution and end on a similar plot beat. All of them have the same problem of "the entire superhero community, even the ones who've never had any history with this guy at all, all just...somehow...know he's evil and refuse even the most basic co-operation with this guy who's now a legitimate authority figure, and the story always ends with the villain overreaching and risking everything he's gained and going crazy just so the heroes can punch him out of office.
Nah, President Luthor is pretty well remembered.
It isn't followed up on by writers, but if you ask someone about Lex Luthor, and they know who he is, him being president is also something they probably remember.
Why hasn't there been a Triangle Era omnibus? Why is DC so bad at collected editions?
>Why is DC so bad at collected editions?
Don't get me started, frendo. They're just now starting a new format called "Compendiums" and it looks like they could be halfway decent. I expect to die of old age before they complete any series I care about tho.
Seriously. They'll put out some nice collected editions of mini series, events and elseworlds but so much of their classic lines are just left to rot. When you compare to how much shit is in marvel omnibus or epic format it's insane how DC is just sleeping on this stuff.
And people wonder why capeshit is dying. It's so user-unfriendly it's not even funny.
What the hell? Context?
Undoubtably. Here's the page for those who haven't seen it.
For everything, or just the panties?
I too want context, or at least know what issue this is from.
It's from Action Comics 822.
For as more context regarding other stuff in the issue, read Action Comics 815 and just keep going.
No clue if it's a thing where multiple titles are involved or if you can just read from 815 to 816 to 817 and so on and so on, because the DC wiki doesn't say, even though I'm pretty sure at least ONE thing had to have taken place in an issue of something else to explain something on that page, but I can't figure out what issue of what because character appearances are sorted by what the issue is called and not when it was released like on the Marvel wiki.
Lana Lang left her underwear in Clark and Lois' home because she's still obsessed with Clark despite being married with children herself, and wants to ruin their marriage so he'll leave Lois and go back to her. Also, it turns out Ma Kent never liked Lois and always wished that Clark had chosen Lana. You're meant to sympathize with Lana and see Lois as a huge b***h btw.
Chuck Austen's work at Marvel is infamous, but his work at DC was also terrible.
Even though she got put in a wheelchair?
Slight correction, Lana had already divorced Pete Ross by then. Still fricked up.
Another correction, Lana didn't intentionally leave the underwear, Lana had been taking care of an injured Clark at his home while Lois was covering a war abroad (where she herself got injured).
What issues did that stuff happen in?
DCAU did Lana the best. She grew up to be a giga-Stacy fashion designer with a heart of gold. She's fearless and holds a flame for Clark in her heart, but doesn't act like a butt-hurt cuck and moves on.
>Chuck Austen's work at Marvel is infamous, but his work at DC was also terrible.
He wrote the comic book adaptation of the Catwoman movie
>how dare you imply that lesbians can become straight, sexuality isn't a choice you bigot!
>lol turning straights gay is so funny
>Sauron, the humanoid Pterodactyl X-Man villain is so named because of DinoSAUR
>Right?
>No he named himself after Sauron, the LotR villain, because he was a gigantic fricking nerd
I love him
This was the late 60's though. Hippies and other normies of all descriptions were reading it. It was popular enough National Lampoon published a spoof of it.
FRODO LIVES was a meme at the time
>Help feed our starving jukebox
Kek. That;s good
geez Harry looks like a massive frickin geek
If this was real life, they'd be spitting on him and calling him baby killer. Interesting though if not an exaggeration. I didn't know flash was a vet. (although somebody should've told the colorist blue is air force.)
>I didn't know flash was a vet
It's kinda his whole deal? Lost his legs in the war, became Agent Venom because the symbiote made him able to walk again?
Either from after I fell out of the loop or something I just never knew about because I didn't follow spider-man.
That baby killer shit never happened
It was a hoax made up to get sympathy for POG vets
The most successful piece of propaganda the US government ever pulled off was making everyone believe that the anti-war movement spit on and assaulted all soldiers that came home. In reality the movement always worked with returning vets to stop the war, recognising that it was the government causing all that shit not the soldiers forced to go over there. The vets were the ones talking about the horrible shit they were made to do, de-glorifying the war and radicalising more people into being against it. But if that was allowed to continue then the anti-war movement would live on and stop any future wars, and so they had to sow the seed of hate between vets and the anti-war movement so that they wouldn't form a united front for the next war.
That page is from 1967. Domestic opposition to Vietnam may have been building up, but it wasn't anywhere close to that level yet, and My Lai was still a year away.
IIRC there's some stuff in the 70s Spider-Man comics where they addressed Flash's veteran status and the negative association that brought on him in-universe
early spiderman was something else. they just don't make 'em like that anymore
Sure, but it's still wild to specifically name yourself Sauron because you think it's the only name capable of manifesting the grandeur of your evilness.
Okay, but is it still pronounced like the saur in dinosaur?
I can believe he might not have known the proper way to pronounce it since he would've only read it instead of hearing it.
Has he been in anything with voice acting, or is he only in the comics?
Yeah, he was in the `90s X-Men animated series, but I don't remember how it was pronounced there.
This got a C&D so fast.
Did it? The book would have been far newer at the time this issue came out (1955) so Sauron's first appearance in 1969 (good lord just let this all settle in for a moment) might ruffle some feathers but I also don't know if I picture Tolkien ever even noticing what happens in American funny books. Though the publishers probably would. And the X-men line was technically cancelled and in reprint mode for a long while after this and honestly I can't think of too many Suaron appearances if any between then. So maybe it could have
>Nicieza
What the frick? The poor bastard got put on this shit?
It's sad how gays are now the bully they hated the most. we just went to "LOL YOU ARE GAY LMAO" to "LOL YOU ARE GAY LMAO (but so am I)
this was the last time america chavez or young avengers was good. and it was 12 years ago.
Batman vs four Bruce Lee's.
We need this animated.
Just this part, or the whole story?
Yes.
>.
You know this was only in there because Roman Polanski was afraid of Bruce Lee and thought he was the killer.
It's a little more complicated than that. Polanski believed and still believe that Bruce was having an affair with Sharon Tate so he insisted to the police that Bruce was somehow implicated with the Manson family but the police instantly dismissed it. And Quentin spent a lot of time with Polanski as consultant for OUATIH. The rest is history
boy, Batman's much shorter than I thought.
"Feral" Wolverine.
Even worse, his fricking nose went missing.
Remember when Iron Man and the new (at the time) Crimson Dynamo got their minds swapped for an issue and Tony totally fricked his girlfriend?
At least one person did, because this story got referenced later. Not the girlfriend fricking part, but the general premise of the issue.
And at the end of that story Iron Man is gonna frick Black Widow, then he realizes her name is Natasha and Titanium man's name is Boris and starts laughing.
> then he realizes her name is Natasha and Titanium man's name is Boris and starts laughing.
Yeah, that's pretty funny
See this is why people hate constant gay coating. It's never enough to just be treated like regular people who exist. You have to be smugly self aware and self important and insist that everyone around you is a gay as well because of the most casual of passing thoughts.
Lesbians dont see this as sexual harassment yet criticize men for looking women in the eyes while talking. Fricking dykes.
imagine a world without Daniel Way
Remember when Deadpool was actually a tragic character beneath all the humor and gags and not an Animaniac who can do whatever he wants because LOL FUNNEH. I do.
When did that happen?
>a tragic character beneath all the humor and gags
If you haven't read them, the Posehn and Duggan runs went back to that characterization for him and basically went opposite to Waypool.
As for Deapdool's current status, I dunno.
I'm playing the deadpool game and good lord the gameplay is fun but the writing of deadpool makes me want to kill myself
kek, moon knight my beloved
And in the same issue, this happened.
What is Black Widow's torso doing
Actually scratch that; What is her entire body doing?
this dude's like, i may never get to draw black widow again, gotta make sure them tiddies are bodacious
>The look of absolute disgust in Supes face
he knew
Clark never trusted Hal's friends after the event.
got predators in the foreground and background
get away from her hal, she's 16 this is her first job
frick you Hank
see this is still shit because it's fricking Bendis trying to shift blame from himself for his moronation by using Beast as a punching bag
>all the bad characterisations on display
>seethes about beast
Classic X-gay behaviour
Need elaboration on what beast did, also
>bendis is the reason beast is a shitty character now
this guy istg
>a joke the comics have never returned to in any serious way
oh no, what an outrage
All of the 2010s Brit writers are fricking awful. Gillen, Spurrier, Cornell, Ewing... just terrible.
Is this the Skrull she fricked?
no, it is JJJ senior
Oh, no, playful banter between teammates. This is so offensive to me, a non-snowflake white man. I demand this thing be cancelled right now.
>not a new IP
>Okay I'm gay, now what?
>Uhhhh....Frick me because I'm special because I'm gay too!
>No
>STRAIGHT NAZI HOMOPHONE
Betty cheating on Bruce with the split personality based on a repressed desire to be a mafia guy
hot
It’s really funny how much she gets along with Hulk and Joe and how much she doesn’t get along with Bruce
Caiera fricked Bruce, fair’s fair
Everything involving Batkek, honestly
>The Over Monitor
Jesus Christ.
that's a Morrison thing that Snyder dug up to shit on
wasn't that the living comic canvas god thing?
it is literally the blank page upon which the DC universe was created
To be fair, as much as Snyder is a hack, Morrison deserves to have his pretentious shit get knocked down a peg.
Speaking of HiC, who was the murderer?
It’s better you don’t know
Wally West, but on accident, later retconned to be Savitar
Wally still murdered people and covered it up.
Retcon so he never killed them, clones aren't people so it wasn't murder.
That was also retconned to be because of Thawne in the Negative Speed Force compelling him and every other Speed force user to do bad things