If you think a children's cartoon from the 80s was gay that says more on you than the cartoon. If you think a modern cartoon is gay then it's true and justified.
there was this one show on KidsWB, Da Boom Crew? I never watched it and only ever saw the really bad endlsate ads for it on TV rips of Xiaolin Showdown but it definitely looked like something made in a lab by execs to sell toys
people point out nick choosing FB&CC over Adventure Time but from the perspective of an exec looking for a stable product, it definitely looked more complete and 'professional' in comparison, and arguably was the best 3D animated show on TV until like TMNT2012
I know most CNReal shows sucked, but unnatural History was pretty great. The last episode had the MC trying to stop Benjamin Franklin's nuke from going off.
It failed completely. Their best sellers is ancient ass lcd toys from decades ago repackaged in cheap plastics over and over again. And their most famous movie torn a kid's family apart
Survive was just lame, they needed more cool stuff to happen over wathever pet script they went with
People want to raise digital monsters not this thing
Why? Dear lord why? This is the worst kind of decision because I can't even see the sense in it? A straight to video movie? SURE! A theatrical release? Why not go safer with something like Pepper Anne, or Weekenders?
Yeah but to make a movie? This is like making a Lisa Frank movie because you see kids in the 90s buying those notebooks u-wait how the frick did we not get that? WHERE IS MY LISA FRANK MOVIE?
Rocket power. That show was a real life version of the poochie the dog
I don’t know if Disney thought it was gonna be huge, but they did seem oddly interested in Doug. Maybe it’s because at the time, a cartoon about a regular kids stood out in the late 80s/early 90s cartoon landscape. But reviving Doug itself didn’t seem like it did that well. It did set the formula for a bunch of other 90s /2000s Disney series, though
Even the promos said it was going to be the next SpongeBob
But Teacher's Pet was actually good.
Now this I heard was supposed to be Disney's next flagship show after Kim Possible only to get annihilated by Phineas and Ferb.
https://i.imgur.com/TdpDZH5.jpg
Butt-Ugly Martians
Catdog
Teacher's Pet
Any more examples of execs forcing a cartoon to be successful?
All part of the "Execs forcing it to be successful" thing.
Why? Dear lord why? This is the worst kind of decision because I can't even see the sense in it? A straight to video movie? SURE! A theatrical release? Why not go safer with something like Pepper Anne, or Weekenders?
I didn't think it came across as that before the movie, which even then got jumped in January during a time when any random niche cartoon got a movie
>And about the series getting a movie, every cartoon got a movie back then
That's just not even true at all, there were cartoons much more successful than Teacher's Pet from that era that never got one.
>And about the series getting a movie, every cartoon got a movie back then
That's just not even true at all, there were cartoons much more successful than Teacher's Pet from that era that never got one.
Doug, Recess, the Rugrats, Wild Thornberries, Hey Arnold, Spongebob, and the Power Puff Girls all got theatrical movies.
in my mind i always pair allen gregory with the napoleon dynamite. which is a shame because napoleon dynamite was far funnier than it had any right to be
>where?
That’s sort of the point of this thread;you wouldn’t know they are planned to be bigger than they were based on how they actually were received.
BUM even got a toyline when the show came out, that was rare for Nicktoons. Usually they wouldn’t get toys until a little later in the shows run
It's probably one of the most well documented cases of a forced franchise. Like, emails between execs bragging about it being the next TMNT. /toy/ first uncovered the whole thing, but I don't have the archives on me.
>/toy/ first
I actually posted my findings first on Cinemaphile but nobody seemed interested, I posted more on /toy/ in an obscure toy thread and dumped the rabbit hole when asked
I got bored in December 2017 and watched a bunch of old commercials, saw a BK one with BUM and got confused why such a niche show would be promoted like that
So I did some digging on Google and found an article and then another and another and so on
To be fair you could probably find similar marketing copy for any action cartoon. No one tries to sell something by saying it'll be a mid-range schedule filler that will only last a season
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Anonymous
Speaking of failed action cartoon pushes, Mummies Alive's failure sort of hurts. Weirdly enough, Ghostbusters director Ivan Reitman was a producer. It wasn't groundbreaking in terms of writing, but it was a cool looking show and it felt like they were going for anime inspired visuals even before the 90's anime boom.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't think Mummies Alive was ever intended to be the 'next big thing'. That being said, it was a fun and decent show.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They did want the franchise to be bigger than it was, I'm sure. There were a lot of producers behind it, it got a toyline, and a VHS release early on. Basically they at least wanted something like Gargoyles or TMNT
1 year ago
Anonymous
That show was so interesting. I wonder if there are die hard fans still. I suppose they're like ReBoot's cousins.
I don’t know if Disney thought it was gonna be huge, but they did seem oddly interested in Doug. Maybe it’s because at the time, a cartoon about a regular kids stood out in the late 80s/early 90s cartoon landscape. But reviving Doug itself didn’t seem like it did that well. It did set the formula for a bunch of other 90s /2000s Disney series, though
tbh I think Doug was a very marginally off being ahead of its time. If Doug actually was Quailman rather than it being imagined and there was more continuity it'd be a modern cartoon.
>Wonder Park
If I recall correctly, the trailer played in front of Aquaman. That couldn't have been cheap. >Powerpuff Girls 2016
Universally derided, but CN still crammed 3 full seasons and a special down everyone's throats. >Animaniacs 2020
Spielberg's big return to producing animation arrived with much fanfare. It ended with a reduced season that left most viewers comatose. >Rugrats 2021, Patrick Star Show, Kamp Koral
Did anyone watch this stuff?
>ctrl+f >johnny test >0/0
I'm convinced Stuart Snyder never watched a single episode of Johnny Test. He just saw something that vaguely looked like Dexter's Lab and dumped it in CN's timeslot hoping it would have the same success.
Johnny Test doesn't fit here because when it was created, no one really had big plans for it.
When James Arnold Taylor was on VO Buzz Weekly and said they were in the middle of the 7th season, he said "-and that's a show where, when we started, we didn't know if it was going to get more than ONE season."
>They even made a special
That no one likes or remembers. Who tf cares about Catdog finding their parents? The special should've been about the town usurping that rabbit fricker.
>You better be lying, I don't want to even imagine I missed out on such kino
To be fair you could probably find similar marketing copy for any action cartoon. No one tries to sell something by saying it'll be a mid-range schedule filler that will only last a season
Someone said it best, BUM isn't special because it was pushed
It's special because of how much we know/found out about it from inception to failure
Teen Titans Go's the easy one, since its success hinges entirely upon manipulation of how the outdated ratings/timeslot system works and how its reports climb up the corporate chain.
My only memory of this show was that we watched the movie once as a family and then my parents never let us watch it again so it was always this weird movie hanging around in our dvd closest that gave me strange vibes whenever I looked at it.
I have absolutely no memory of the movie itself though.
I'll give props for them spitting out products unlike most of these cartoons mentioned here. Their toyline lacks angemon, but are okay overall. Everything else, the video games, latest shit slow burn episodic format anime, the lcd toys using shit 8x8 pixel graphics, the shit downgrade app for their vital bracelets, the distribution of hella outdated vital bracelets to the west, sucked so massively bad. Except maybe New World Order
They were never the next big thing. Well, I liked Catdog but even I acknowledged I was about the only fricking kid marking for it at school. Like unironically. It's a dog and a cat TOGETHER. And they're BROTHERS. That combination was too good to 11 year old me.
i kind of got this vibe from CN concerning Mike Lu and Og for a very brief window. didn't take.
Kids WB in the late 90s def had a bit of this with Histeria!...like just before they stopped giving a shit became Pokeman inc. though I think it aired concurrently with pokemon for about a year.
though,shockingly there are a full 52 episodes of Histeria. utterly forgotten.
>though,shockingly there are a full 52 episodes of Histeria. utterly forgotten.
Episode orders in the 90's and 2000's were insane, almost as much as 80's syndicated cartoons.It's weird when people demand 90's/2000's show back to me because so many of them had 52+ episodes.
well...yes and no.
for that style of proprietary kids WB show, for fist hitting the air like a few months before pokemania, it's ep count is odd, must have been fully made because of those stupid educational mandates that destroyed saturday mornings.
earlier in the 90s CBS was absolutely horrible for this there are a bunch short lived 12 episode series with like full toy runs, vidya and other shit backing them, yet if a action cartoon didn't instantly do TMNT numbers for them they shit-canned it.
OK KO got shilled like crazy while it was on the air. Crossovers, video games, bumpers. They threw a lot of money behind it too, trying to get celebrity voice actors like Kurt Angle for bit parts. Ian thought for sure he had invented a perfect fusion of western and anime styles and even contacted some anime studios to shill it in Japan. They thought they were going to make Steven Universe money. Now though? You could be forgiven for forgetting it was ever on the air.
No amount of shilling would make kids watch this, I'm not even talking about the skeleton episode or other nonsense, the cartoon was just unappealing as frick
I have yet to hear of a single kid that liked it, the only people I ever hear talking about this shit have deluded themselves into thinking they want to frick blackulas wife, the cashier or the green rat
There was gays of the creek before I took over, I canned it because most kids were bored to death from that crap
>You could be forgiven for forgetting it was ever on the air
If you saw the numbers I saw, trust me no one remembered KO existed, write off was the most profitable thing that show did for us
Ben 10 is the only one I can think of in recent memories other than the horse show in the wrong demographic that for some reason was apparently hit with a drought of merch given that the fanbase would have sold their livers for some horse plushy
Kinda. Mattel was al over the during development for He-Man and even shopped it around to be a Conan tie-in line before getting cold feet and going full steam ahead on the orginal concepts
Does the Care Bears reboot that was trying to get the brony audience count?
God I hated that
I'm glad the Rainbow Brite one was killed in infancy. I pray we never get new Rainbow Brite content because it would just be woke bullshit today.
How could they make it woke? They already had a camp rainbow unicorn.
If you think a children's cartoon from the 80s was gay that says more on you than the cartoon. If you think a modern cartoon is gay then it's true and justified.
I got news for ya, that means you're gay.
Oh come on! You know, I woke, You woke, He she me woke, woke, Woking, We'll have thee woke, Wokorama, Wokeology, The study of woke? It's first grade!
Fanboy and Chum Chum
CNReal
there was this one show on KidsWB, Da Boom Crew? I never watched it and only ever saw the really bad endlsate ads for it on TV rips of Xiaolin Showdown but it definitely looked like something made in a lab by execs to sell toys
people point out nick choosing FB&CC over Adventure Time but from the perspective of an exec looking for a stable product, it definitely looked more complete and 'professional' in comparison, and arguably was the best 3D animated show on TV until like TMNT2012
>liking fanboy and chum chum
How embarrising
I know most CNReal shows sucked, but unnatural History was pretty great. The last episode had the MC trying to stop Benjamin Franklin's nuke from going off.
All those CNReal shows felt like adapted children's novels.
The craziest thing about CNReal is they cancelled successful shows for that
Digimon
How did it fail when it's still going strong in Japan?
It failed completely. Their best sellers is ancient ass lcd toys from decades ago repackaged in cheap plastics over and over again. And their most famous movie torn a kid's family apart
>And their most famous movie torn a kid's family apart
Are we really judging films on the random shit some anon on Cinemaphile claimed?
Survive flopped
Survive was just lame, they needed more cool stuff to happen over wathever pet script they went with
People want to raise digital monsters not this thing
Also the last two entries were a smartphone-themed spin-off and a season 1 reboot-sequel movie
Not Cinemaphile dipshit
the movie may as well be Cinemaphile
Not Cinemaphile
Cinemaphile is Cinemaphile
>angela anaconda is Cinemaphile
Mighty Bee
If Teacher's Pet failed, how come it got a movie?
All part of the "Execs forcing it to be successful" thing.
Why? Dear lord why? This is the worst kind of decision because I can't even see the sense in it? A straight to video movie? SURE! A theatrical release? Why not go safer with something like Pepper Anne, or Weekenders?
Gary Baseman was big in the early 2000s and Disney really wanted to take advantage of that. Remember those Cranium board games?
Yeah but to make a movie? This is like making a Lisa Frank movie because you see kids in the 90s buying those notebooks u-wait how the frick did we not get that? WHERE IS MY LISA FRANK MOVIE?
Pepper Ann was a failure of a show. It was the first to go when Disney redid their One Saturday Morning block.
I...I.. Actually liked these shows.
I didn't think it came across as that before the movie, which even then got jumped in January during a time when any random niche cartoon got a movie
because it was funny and I liked it
catdog is still remembered.
Teacher pet has aged really well. And about the series getting a movie, every cartoon got a movie back then
>And about the series getting a movie, every cartoon got a movie back then
That's just not even true at all, there were cartoons much more successful than Teacher's Pet from that era that never got one.
Which one? Because every one of them got a movie.
pepper ann?
The Many Saints of Newark
Where is the fricking Fillmore motion picture?
It always seemed to be the ones that were never quite "big" both spiritually and culturally, after Rugrats became a fluke hit
It came back with shows like MLP, TTG, and BB suddenly getting movies
The Weekenders was fricking huge and got jack shit
MLAATR
Invader zim only got a TV movie in 2019
Don't worry anon I'll come to your defense
Doug, Recess, the Rugrats, Wild Thornberries, Hey Arnold, Spongebob, and the Power Puff Girls all got theatrical movies.
i never watched teachers pet but i liked the movie
in my mind i always pair allen gregory with the napoleon dynamite. which is a shame because napoleon dynamite was far funnier than it had any right to be
Didn't they admit this show was a slot filler until the new season of Family Guy came out?
butt ugly martians was the next big thing? where? is it next to super duper sumos?
>where?
That’s sort of the point of this thread;you wouldn’t know they are planned to be bigger than they were based on how they actually were received.
BUM even got a toyline when the show came out, that was rare for Nicktoons. Usually they wouldn’t get toys until a little later in the shows run
It's probably one of the most well documented cases of a forced franchise. Like, emails between execs bragging about it being the next TMNT. /toy/ first uncovered the whole thing, but I don't have the archives on me.
>/toy/ first
I actually posted my findings first on Cinemaphile but nobody seemed interested, I posted more on /toy/ in an obscure toy thread and dumped the rabbit hole when asked
How did you come across all of that information from execs hoping itd be the next TMNT after all?
I got bored in December 2017 and watched a bunch of old commercials, saw a BK one with BUM and got confused why such a niche show would be promoted like that
So I did some digging on Google and found an article and then another and another and so on
To be fair you could probably find similar marketing copy for any action cartoon. No one tries to sell something by saying it'll be a mid-range schedule filler that will only last a season
Speaking of failed action cartoon pushes, Mummies Alive's failure sort of hurts. Weirdly enough, Ghostbusters director Ivan Reitman was a producer. It wasn't groundbreaking in terms of writing, but it was a cool looking show and it felt like they were going for anime inspired visuals even before the 90's anime boom.
I don't think Mummies Alive was ever intended to be the 'next big thing'. That being said, it was a fun and decent show.
They did want the franchise to be bigger than it was, I'm sure. There were a lot of producers behind it, it got a toyline, and a VHS release early on. Basically they at least wanted something like Gargoyles or TMNT
That show was so interesting. I wonder if there are die hard fans still. I suppose they're like ReBoot's cousins.
>On the sunny beaches of Cali*click*
I just wanted to watch the new Beavis & Butthead.
But Teacher's Pet was actually good.
Now this I heard was supposed to be Disney's next flagship show after Kim Possible only to get annihilated by Phineas and Ferb.
I get the same feeling from Molly McGee to be honest all a desperate attempt to bury other shows.
Molly mcgee is actually enjoyable unlike phineas and ferb or the replacements were
God i remember those promos and being really hyped and then it was just shit
>GOTTA BE A GIIIIIIRL!!!
Even the promos said it was going to be the next SpongeBob
I hated everything posted in this thread, when it aired.
I feel so special.
Rocket power. That show was a real life version of the poochie the dog
You could say they totally beefed it.
I don’t know if Disney thought it was gonna be huge, but they did seem oddly interested in Doug. Maybe it’s because at the time, a cartoon about a regular kids stood out in the late 80s/early 90s cartoon landscape. But reviving Doug itself didn’t seem like it did that well. It did set the formula for a bunch of other 90s /2000s Disney series, though
tbh I think Doug was a very marginally off being ahead of its time. If Doug actually was Quailman rather than it being imagined and there was more continuity it'd be a modern cartoon.
>Wonder Park
If I recall correctly, the trailer played in front of Aquaman. That couldn't have been cheap.
>Powerpuff Girls 2016
Universally derided, but CN still crammed 3 full seasons and a special down everyone's throats.
>Animaniacs 2020
Spielberg's big return to producing animation arrived with much fanfare. It ended with a reduced season that left most viewers comatose.
>Rugrats 2021, Patrick Star Show, Kamp Koral
Did anyone watch this stuff?
>ctrl+f
>johnny test
>0/0
I'm convinced Stuart Snyder never watched a single episode of Johnny Test. He just saw something that vaguely looked like Dexter's Lab and dumped it in CN's timeslot hoping it would have the same success.
I almost said this but it doesn't really fit the criteria of the OP. JT seemed pretty successful and it's not really forgotten.
its sorta a case of a thing they tried to force to be popular actually succeeding
Johnny Test would have worked alot better if they leaned into Johnny being the sister's test subject.
Johnny Test doesn't fit here because when it was created, no one really had big plans for it.
When James Arnold Taylor was on VO Buzz Weekly and said they were in the middle of the 7th season, he said "-and that's a show where, when we started, we didn't know if it was going to get more than ONE season."
Flapjack
Nope
It was a spongebob ripoff. And they advertised it harder than Chowder and Total Drama at the same time.
The Cramp Twins
CN UK always ran the hell out of this show. And i always changed the channel when it was on.
Cat dog didn't fail
They even made a special
>They even made a special
That no one likes or remembers. Who tf cares about Catdog finding their parents? The special should've been about the town usurping that rabbit fricker.
And everyone thought toh would be the next GF. ended up being mogged by the frog show
Served them right
Hero 108 had an MMO when it came out
WHAT
You better be lying, I don't want to even imagine I missed out on such kino. Next you'll tell me there used to be a Chop Socky Chooks street fighter.
>You better be lying, I don't want to even imagine I missed out on such kino
Someone said it best, BUM isn't special because it was pushed
It's special because of how much we know/found out about it from inception to failure
FRICK, There has to be some way to revive this! Kinda like how ToonTown got revived?
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Hero 108 is one of those shows that gets bullied for little to no reason by everyone, it's sad.
Remember when gay.0 kept shilling Brickleberry?
Teen Titans Go's the easy one, since its success hinges entirely upon manipulation of how the outdated ratings/timeslot system works and how its reports climb up the corporate chain.
My only memory of this show was that we watched the movie once as a family and then my parents never let us watch it again so it was always this weird movie hanging around in our dvd closest that gave me strange vibes whenever I looked at it.
I have absolutely no memory of the movie itself though.
Did they find it inappropriate or did it really suck that bad?
I have no earthly idea. cat in the Hat was also banned and I could see that going either way.
I'll give props for them spitting out products unlike most of these cartoons mentioned here. Their toyline lacks angemon, but are okay overall. Everything else, the video games, latest shit slow burn episodic format anime, the lcd toys using shit 8x8 pixel graphics, the shit downgrade app for their vital bracelets, the distribution of hella outdated vital bracelets to the west, sucked so massively bad. Except maybe New World Order
But this is a toy company after all.
They were never the next big thing. Well, I liked Catdog but even I acknowledged I was about the only fricking kid marking for it at school. Like unironically. It's a dog and a cat TOGETHER. And they're BROTHERS. That combination was too good to 11 year old me.
As a fan of angry beavers catdog felt like a lite version of it, I just like comedies about two dudes with different personalities goofing around
>next big thing but wasn't...
i kind of got this vibe from CN concerning Mike Lu and Og for a very brief window. didn't take.
Kids WB in the late 90s def had a bit of this with Histeria!...like just before they stopped giving a shit became Pokeman inc. though I think it aired concurrently with pokemon for about a year.
though,shockingly there are a full 52 episodes of Histeria. utterly forgotten.
>though,shockingly there are a full 52 episodes of Histeria. utterly forgotten.
Episode orders in the 90's and 2000's were insane, almost as much as 80's syndicated cartoons.It's weird when people demand 90's/2000's show back to me because so many of them had 52+ episodes.
well...yes and no.
for that style of proprietary kids WB show, for fist hitting the air like a few months before pokemania, it's ep count is odd, must have been fully made because of those stupid educational mandates that destroyed saturday mornings.
earlier in the 90s CBS was absolutely horrible for this there are a bunch short lived 12 episode series with like full toy runs, vidya and other shit backing them, yet if a action cartoon didn't instantly do TMNT numbers for them they shit-canned it.
OK KO got shilled like crazy while it was on the air. Crossovers, video games, bumpers. They threw a lot of money behind it too, trying to get celebrity voice actors like Kurt Angle for bit parts. Ian thought for sure he had invented a perfect fusion of western and anime styles and even contacted some anime studios to shill it in Japan. They thought they were going to make Steven Universe money. Now though? You could be forgiven for forgetting it was ever on the air.
Don't forget the pandering, pandering, PANDERING.
>this is a real frame from one of the episodes
Shameless.
That's just weird. Phanty is obviously the Eddy of that trio.
No amount of shilling would make kids watch this, I'm not even talking about the skeleton episode or other nonsense, the cartoon was just unappealing as frick
I have yet to hear of a single kid that liked it, the only people I ever hear talking about this shit have deluded themselves into thinking they want to frick blackulas wife, the cashier or the green rat
There was gays of the creek before I took over, I canned it because most kids were bored to death from that crap
>You could be forgiven for forgetting it was ever on the air
If you saw the numbers I saw, trust me no one remembered KO existed, write off was the most profitable thing that show did for us
This killed my desire to ever watch nickelodeon again as a wee shite.
bro it was on Disney. Well ABC.
I remember Disney pushed this shit HARD.
IIRC, this was the first Disney XD original, so it makes sense.
Uhhh would.
I disagree. I don't recall ever seeing advertisement for KB, I only caught episodes at random.
Has a "next big thing" cartoon ever actually been the "next big thing?"
Transformers
Ben 10 is the only one I can think of in recent memories other than the horse show in the wrong demographic that for some reason was apparently hit with a drought of merch given that the fanbase would have sold their livers for some horse plushy
TMNT and He-Man were happy accidents
>He-Man
That was franchise was deliberately designed to be huge
Kinda. Mattel was al over the during development for He-Man and even shopped it around to be a Conan tie-in line before getting cold feet and going full steam ahead on the orginal concepts