How is this allowed? Not legally, but socially. Seriously, I don't know when people suddenly became okay with blatantly derivative works, but I demand an explanation.
ITT: Plagiarism
How is this allowed? Not legally, but socially. Seriously, I don't know when people suddenly became okay with blatantly derivative works, but I demand an explanation.
I feel like Invincible was heavily influenced by the countless parodies and and commentaries on Super Hero universes that were popular in the 80s and 90s. Except Invincible is played almost entirely straight so it just kind of comes off as borrowed ideas rather than having anything in particular to say about those borrowed ideas.
No wonder I laughed the entire time, because I was high as FRICK.
Blame Disney for ruining copyright so the originals can't be used to tell these stories
Most of the people making blatant rip-offs and parodies of Superman and the Justice League aren't actually interested in writing a Superman story. Using a recognizable archetype, but tongue-in-cheekily calling him Superion instead of Superman is supposed to be part of what makes it entertaining. Like the creator is nudging you and going
>heh heh get it? Get it? It's like Superman but he's a little different! heh heh
I so want to make new Hulk stories.
So... it's the 80s again? Shit, I might as well say that I myself own the rights to obscure Marvel characters that Disney execs won't even care about.
There's nothing wrong with using an existing concept/premise to tell a different story
>"There's nothing wrong with theft."
...
>You could go make your own "invincible" hero yourself you just can't call it "Invincible"
Why? Back in the day, doing such a thing would get you figuratively lynched. What the hell changed?
No work is completely original.
Everything in fiction is derivative of everything else. It goes all the way back to Vedic chants and the Illiad, seriously. Sometimes it's on purpose, other times it's because the creator was subconsciously influenced by things around them in their daily life.
It's not really the ideas that make a work great, it's the execution.
What do you mean by “back in the day”? Derivative works were legally sold back in the day.
Yes, but people use to hate them on principle because it's plagiarism. Apparently nobody gives a frick anymore, and I just wanna know why.
So you're saying that one could just straight up make, like, a bootleg Star Fox comic, and as long as it's considered good, nobody cares and nobody could sue? See, I don't get that. You could very well have someone threaten to stab you for that during the early to mid oughts.
>So you're saying that one could just straight up make, like, a bootleg Star Fox comic, and as long as it's considered good, nobody cares and nobody could sue?
Yes, examples include Tails Gets Trolled, or Tamers12345's videos, which get threads on this very board which are mostly positive
>Tails Gets Trolled, or Tamers12345's videos
Those are both parodies though. As has been noted, stuff like Invincible plays the concept completely straight. And I just don't understand how anyone's okay with that.
Ultimately if the companies owning the original IP don't feel like the existence of it is hurting their potential sales enough to warrant the legal fees of pursuing legal action, they have no reason to care about it
There isn't an ideological battle to be won there about originality and artistic integrity
>There isn't an ideological battle to be won there about originality and artistic integrity
Except for the fact ripping off someone else's idea is inherently un-creative and morally bankrupt.
Because plagiarism is wrong, dammit.
>derivative works are plagiarism
calm down, razor
Let's say you made a comic. And then someone makes a comic that's just like yours but with all the names changed. You'd just be okay with that?
There are plenty of examples of that happening. JMS went to Paramount with his pitch for Babylon 5 and they turned him down, only to come out with their own Star Trek show with a suspiciously similar premise around the same time. Oreo cookies are a ripoff of Hydrox. It sucks but if they do a better job at garnering an audience than you did with the original, what can you do? That's life. It's not about what you know, it's who you know
Hydrox is such a bad name of a snack holy shit it sounds like a cleaning chemical or dietary supplement.
Early version of the "better living through chemistry" meme. Things would sell better if they sounded sciencey.
B5 was way bigger than DS9 though. It just has less legacy now because it isn't attached to an evergreen IP.
Point is at the time, there was no opportunity for someone to get upset that the rip-off out performed them.
Honestly that cookie probably kicks ass. I got a real chocolate bar the other day from Trader Joe's and it kicks the shit out of Hersheys.
Well that is actually plagiarism. Invincible isn't doing that. It's telling a story within the same genre and occasionally using particular powers sn tropes from the Superheroic genre, which no one creator or company can own, thank fricking God.
>Invincible isn't doing that.
Yes it is. Pretty much all the characters are stand-ins for famous DC and Marvel characters.
You don't really know what plagiarism is and it shows. Especially if you're this outraged because one thing is vaguely similar or clearly inspired by another thing.
>You don't really know what plagiarism is and it shows.
>noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms
>the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
>inspired by
Again with the cop out buzzwords.
>A = B
Anon...
No, you didn't make that. The other person did. You stole it and put some shitty looking stripes on it. Copyright law really is fricked, and needs to crack down on that "legally distinct" nonsense.
>No, you didn't make that
Did you?
No, but I didn't attempt to pass it off as my own either. And this attempted tactic where you facetiously try to equate every little thing I do with plagiarism is fricking asinine and isn't going to work. Frick off with that, and stop defending hack bullshit.
We are merely holding you to your own standards. You stole and reposted artwork from invincible, Aquaman, a small comics creator. Do not judge others if you cannot accept your own thievery
Though then again. It’s only natural for teenagers to steal during a period of rebellion
Again, this thing you're doing. Not how that works, dumbass. At no point did I EVER attempt to pass any of those images off as my own. You're an idiot.
No. You’re an idiot for not understanding what plagiarism is. And also for not understanding that I’ve been messing with you.
You’re also a terrible person and the comments you made about the other Anon’s father basically give us free moral license to troll you to our hearts content without a second trace of guilt because you are an embarrassment to your family and to the human race
Your attempts at messing with me are ineffectual at best. And no matter how desperately you claim that plagiarism means something else besides its dictionary definition, you won't change the immutable fact that Invincible and other works like it are ripoffs.
>a bloo hoo stop being so mean
It's Cinemaphile. if you can't deal, frick off. Crybaby.
Look Kiddo (that means 14) you don’t seem to understand that society relies on a social contract. Nothing is stopping you from being an butthole but yourself, and unfortunately since you’re a teenage Redditoid you lack such self control
Truly these children are tiresome
>muh reddit
And now the tard has started devolving into internet tribalism. Typical.
I’m getting to aren’t I. You can feel me squirming inside like a fungus or a parasitic worm. Feel me twisting around in your big fat belly. I’m getting hungry mama, why don’t you slurp up some milk
>It's a stone, Luigi. You didn't make it!
If someone designs Incredible Man, who has super strength and can fly and fights crime, they have not taken Superman and passed it off as their own work. They have done their own work and presented it as their own.
You've got crippling autism and can't tell the difference between reprinting someone else's creation and saying it's yours, and making your own original work that is inspired by existing work. Nevermind understanding that nearly all cape comics made these days are not being drawn or written by their original creators anyways, and there's still people putting their name on someone else's creation and that STILL isn't plagiarism.
I think we should invent a new IP in this thread that's inspired, derived and extrapolated from a bunch of other things in spite of OP so he can seethe about it being a ripoff
The main character should be Superspider. A man gifted with the powers of super strength, speed, durability, and flight, who dresses in a spider inspired costume composed of a dark cape, cowl, and bodysuit with a symbol of a spider on the front.
His nemesis is the Laughing Gremlin who is an amoral billionaire who went insane after being exposed to goblin juice and built a suit of power armor with a core composed of his one weakness
It's kind of a villain protagonist story where Superspider lurks from his Spidercave and researches all the different multinational groups and organizations trying to control and stop him, with the help of his assistant and chef Pepe Alfredo, and busts into their secret complexes to sabotage their sick and twisted dealings before they can come up with something to stop him
>If someone designs Incredible Man, who has super strength and can fly and fights crime, they have not taken Superman and passed it off as their own work. They have done their own work and presented it as their own.
Outright copying a character and slapping a different name on it doesn't make it an original work. Again, you're just filing the serial numbers off.
I dunno, it works in China. (Or so I've heard, not sure if the rumors are true or not.)
China has nukes. You, random hack, do not.
>China has nukes.
lol
Frick off, /misc/tard, they do. What are you gonna do, call them out on their cheap knockoff movies and risk nuclear armageddon?
China doesn't have nukes, they cooking gas tanks. At least that is how they see/use them.
God you're moronic. Why is this thread infested with idiot children who deny objective reality? First the dumb fricks deny that "It's been done." has been a major aspect of media criticism for decades, and now there's some c**t who's apparently convinced that China doesn't have nuclear weapons. The frick is wrong with you "people"?
>God you're moronic. Why is this thread infested with idiot children who deny objective reality?
homie, that was literally a thing that came out a few months ago as something that was happening.
You're the one denying reality.
>now the tard is actively making shit up
Great. I literally just looked up if China has nukes, and they do. Stop believing every psychotic thing /misc/ tells you. For fricks sake.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-corruption-rocket-force-water-fuel-xi-jinping-purge-scandal-2024-1
If China doesn't treat them as nukes, I don't see why I should.
Copying how and to what extent? Incredible Man doesn't have Superman's S logo or Superman's iconic Red and Blue costume. He doesn't have a secret identity as a normal newspaper reporter. Incredible Man has some broad similarities, but nothing more. And that doesn't even get into whether Superman's creators, who are dead, did not invent secret identities, costumes, or colors.
"Derivative" is literally just "Iterative" with a "Der".
Should've replied to
, but my point still stands.
>Derivative
>Deriterative
>Ivative
>Iterative
Only thing they have in common is ative.
That's what keeps them together <3
>plagiarism is wrong, dammit
In coding, medicine, and law, plagiarism is mandatory.
>forgets to bring up music
>Because plagiarism is wrong, dammit.
Explain why it's objectively and morally wrong.
It's a form of theft. Taking someone else's stuff is a violation of that person's rights. Frick you.
Science is not the same as media. Don't be disingenuous.
>It's a form of theft.
Nothing is being stolen though. If anything more stuff is being created. You can't OWN a general concept of something and trying to claim you can is inherently evil of you.
Motherfricker, Omni-Man is blatantly a Superman stand in. There's a bootleg Justice League for fricks sake. Not-Vandal Savage is a major character. There's tropes and then there's taking the fricking piss.
Can't help but notice that you didn't answer the question.
... Also, did you just say that Star Trek Discovery is better than Babylon 5?
I was talking about Deep Space 9 you unsavory gentleman
If someone ripped off my comic and told a better story with it I would say fair play to them, because I'm honest with myself and admit I'm flawed as a writer despite having some good ideas here and there
It's the execution that matters
>If someone ripped off my comic and told a better story with it I would say fair play to them
homie why you lyin'? Literally nobody does that. It's contrary to human nature. .
What are you going to do, find out where they live and shoot them? If your ideas can be copied with such ease it just tells me you haven't been creative enough, and anyone out there can and should eat your lunch in regards to that.
>What are you going to do, find out where they live and shoot them?
Everyone wants to do that, most are too lazy or lack the balls.
>If your ideas can be copied with such ease it just tells me you haven't been creative enough, and anyone out there can and should eat your lunch in regards to that.
Literally any idea can be copied. Again, you're not actually answering the question of why nobody seems to care anymore when that happens.
You haven't answered why anyone should care other than "plagiarism is wrong and people should feel bad for doing it because I said so okay?!"
Because it's self-evident why plagiarism is bad, dumbass. What, you gonna demand someone explain to you why murder is considered wrong too?
So it's literally a generational thing. Fricking kids have no sense of respect for other people's ideas. Disgusting.
But it's not parody. It's not played as a joke, they're just a bunch of knockoffs.
>Because it's self-evident
BECAUSE I SAID SO, OKAY??!! SHUT UP! STOP TALKING! YOU NEED TO LEAVE!!!
Again, it's a form of theft. You are outright stealing something from someone when you take their ideas.
>Again, you're not actually answering the question of why nobody seems to care anymore when that happens.
Then I'll answer. It's because enough people have seen it happen, without the doomsday scenarios that were predicted to happen occurring, that they collectively decided "Hey, our fears were wrong. What's happening isn't so bad".
It doesn’t matter. He’s not superman. Ultimately copyright exists to make people lazy. Don’t want your ideas “stolen?” Just make better content
Only one of those is a science. The other two are arts/crafts.
People hate corporations telling people what to do more than plagiarists these days anon, no one pretends to suck corporate dick anymore. It’s the 20s, get used to it.
>Yes, but people use to hate them on principle
(Not true, by the way)
>So you're saying that one could just straight up make, like, a bootleg Star Fox comic
So you're not aware of A Fox In Space?
Yes, and I guess Nintendo hates Star Fox so much that they don't care to do anything about it.
Quite a bit, considering I am one. Dumbass.
>I guess Nintendo hates Star Fox so much that they don't care to do anything about it.
That's... sort of true when you think about it. Why else would they shelve a canceled Rare game and give it a Star Fox coat of paint?
Ohhh, it's going to be one of these threads. Ok, have fun.
>Back in the day, doing such a thing would get you figuratively lynched.
Why would you waste your day telling lies on the internet?
You're too young to remember.
Bitch, my name is written on the soles. I can see the runoff from where you spray-painted them. Frick off.
>...
How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast today?
What the FRICK are you on about now? This is why I hate trying to argue using metaphors. We're both starting to lose the plot.
Anon means that "breakfast" was a concept that we as humans made up.
You can't steal ideas moron. You can only copy them.
If you make some gay character and I copy it, it's not theft. You still have the gay character. And I have a copy of the gay character. That's how ideas work.
Frick off fascist
Depends on which class you're in. If you're part of the lower-working class, then stealing is morally justifiable.
>a different story
I feel like Invincible really left the "different story" territory when we stopped focusing on the dynamic of Zod being Superman's dad.
Was the original comic also like this? I haven't read it, so I'm out of the loop.
For one, comics have always had thinly veiled rip-offs of other comics. It's nothing new.
I agree with this too
Frick, why couldn't the Ripping Friends have been more developed?
Believe it or not but nobody really owns the idea of the basic concepts these superheroes represent. You could go make your own "invincible" hero yourself you just can't call it "Invincible"
Copyright is a weird thing. Marvel has a character named Power Princess who could be easily mistaken for Wonder Woman. And yes they are using her a lot.
Yes, I know about the Squadron Supreme. Frankly I should've used them as the example pic, but whatever.
And yet, that didn't stop people from calling everything a ripoff because it had something in common with an older work. Again, what changed?
>that cake has chocolate frosting? THIS cake has chocolate frosting! What a ripoff! They're trying to scam people out of their time by passing off an inferior product as the original!
vs.
>Holy shit! Two cakes!
>I AM FAT FRICK
>I really only need one of these and won't have the appetite to enjoy the other
There's something called a fridge you can use to save the other cake for later.
>And yet, that didn't stop people from calling everything a ripoff because it had something in common with an older work. Again, what changed?
People got over themselves?
>people
>getting over themselves
Humans do not work that way.
I'm not exaggerating anything. This was absolutely a thing. You couldn't move without seeing something getting raked over the coals for being a rip-off of something else.
>it's totally real I swear!!
Give examples then. The wayback machine and archive go back more than 5 years. Surely you can find someone being raked over the coal for their derivative creations.
>Humans do not work that way.
What would you know about humans?
This has been a thing for a while. Young Bloods, Ultraverse, Savage Dragon. Entire settings that are generic established super hero conventions populated by some not so obvious and some very obvious character archetypes and parallels. Not to deconstruct those things or make fun of them, just as a means to give a setting framework any comic reader at the time could understand.
It's just that today people remember things like The Watchmen, The Boys, Marshall Law etc. more than the former, so people incorrectly assume if you're dealing with obvious parallels than there must be some kind of scathing commentary waiting around the corner. When in reality there was a lot more:
>"This is Superheroes MY WAY"
Than people realize today. Which is ironic because that's exactly what My Hero Academia is today, except it's Japanese.
>My Hero Academia
No wonder why I thought that shit seemed boring as frick.
What's the plagiarism here? are the designs the same as some other existing characters?
Ugh, yes JLA created tropes that invincible draws from. But there are 2 factors that make this okay. First, people have been drawing on each other's stories for thousands of years, this is a natural human inclination. Second, Justice league material has weaker lawyers than avenger material, so it's alright in the eyes of the law.
It's more that unless it's blatant plagarism neither Marvel nor DC is going to pursue it legally because it would open a massive floodgate over where the line falls that could impact every single property.
>tfw literally none of these underaged morons are actually answering the question because they're all too fricking young to remember that period of internet discourse when a work being derivative was considered a cardinal sin
I definitely remember it. I just grew up and don't think that way anymore. OP hasn't or he's just shitposting. The quality of mainstream million-dollar productions is such garbage at this point I welcome anyone willing to throw their hat into the ring even if it isn't conceptually groundbreaking, as long as it's well-executed, from the heart and sincere
>that period of internet discourse when a work being derivative was considered a cardinal sin
You're resting this entire argument on the knee-jerk sentiments of turbovirgins 20 years ago?
Bruh, I was there and that mindset is as stupid now as it was back then. Everyone alive today stands on the shoulders of giants. Everything is derived from what came before. The goal is to put a new spin on it to increase the amount of ideas in the world.
But you don't care about that. You really just care about novel sources of dopamine. It's fricking digusting that you've confused chasing a high for artistic integrity.
>20 years ago
Folks were still doing this less than five years ago. Again, what happened? What aspect of society changed? Why the frick does nobody get mad at derivative fiction anymore?
>artistic integrity
The sheer irony is palpable.
I would like to know why we should get mad at derivative fiction for existing, instead of just laughing at it, or "letting it cook" as the zoomers say and seeing what they do with it
>Folks were still doing this less than five years ago. Again, what happened?
Nothing happened. Folks were like that 5 years ago, folks were like that 5 minute ago, folks were like that 50 years ago and they'll be like this 50 years from now.
>The sheer irony is palpable.
If someone put a gun to your head and said "Explain what is ironic about this exchange or I will pull this trigger", you would piss your pants and die because you have no fricking clue what those borrowed words mean, you mouth-breathing artless contrarian moron.
You're defending plagiarism while implying that you value the concept of artistic integrity. Although your unnatural level of anger indicates that you likely knew that, and just wanted to yell in an attempt to get me to back down. Well it failed. You're a stupid hypocrite.
>You're defending plagiarism
Quote the post where I did this :3
>Although your unnatural level of anger indicates
Lol did you just admit to being threatened by a post on an image board? Holy shit you ultra-homosexual.
X-Men is a Doom Patrol rip off, who the frick cares?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven-Per-Cent_Solution
An unofficial derivative work based on Sherlock Holmes, published in 1954 (twenty short years after Conan Dyle died). People hated it, right? Nope, best seller. Adapted into a movie. Surely it’s an outlier, right? Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_of_new_Sherlock_Holmes_stories
Look at the authors here. Anthony Burgess, Mark Twain, Agatha Christie… derivative works have always been a thing.
The Seven Percent Solution has a comic adaptation from IDW, not bad
Does this mean Pizza Tower is... derivative? O_o
(It's heavily inspired by Wario Land 4, so it's a given.)
It's 50 years, 1974
The book is from 1954
Dude this is the preferable way. IP should be respected, DC and Marvel can and should keep their IP and other people should be able to make stuff like this if those companies are not making what fans want them to make.
[as] has a good thing going for them when it comes to IP, so there's hope.
Oh frick off with this nonsense, you’re like the kid who thinks he invited blowing bubbles in there milk. Art inspires art simple as if you don’t like it don’t watch it. Don’t act like you’re important by trying to complain that someone’s marking fun of Batman and Superman’s legacy wahh wahh wahh. I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts you didn’t even know about invincible until it was a cartoon. I mean for frick sakes the comic started over 20 years ago.
Most the people watching this show think it's a new IP. Do you really think they are going to have the historical context to recognize the parodies and parallels in this that aren't Justice League A Listers?
I want to frick that green lady
Plagiarism isn't real.
"Bootlegs" only suck of they are low quality. More frequently as of recent, the offshoot has comparable quality to the original.
Brand loyalty brings no reward.
this shit is just spillover from Cinemaphile isn't it. complaining about palworld or something
Nearly every mon thing is derivative of Earthbound/Mother and Megaten anyways
Its a little something called parody that makes this A-OK, my man. Don't argue with me, argue with the law. I don't make the rules
>A-OK
>Parodies
Checks out.
Before the twist the book is basically, what if Dick Grayson was Superman's son.
OP sounds suspiciously like the autistic sci-fi gay
If that was the case he wouldn't confuse two concurrent scifi shows about a space station with a numeral in its name with fricking Star Trek Discovery
Parody is not Plagiarism. That's all there is to it.
What's the name of that superhero team of misfits led by a dude in a wheelchair who view their powers as a curse but use them to help and protect people who hate them?
You're talking about both the X-Men and the Doom Patrol. You're not clever for pointing that out. Both are shit by the way. Another reason plagiarism is bad, sometimes you end up ripping off something that was already terrible in the first place.
>X-Men
That's the one!
>Doom Patrol
The frick is that? Sounds like a discount version of something better, like how Hydrox is a huge ripoff of Oreo.
Actually Oreos are rip-offs of Hydrox
You gonna stop eating them out of artistic integrity?
Sure, kid. And Legion of Doom is a rip off of Doom Patrol or whatever lol
Nobody ever even heard of Hydrox except poor fricks who shop at Dollar General lmao so obviously that's the ripoff just like everyone knows the Legion and literally nobody knows the literal who that is dOoM pAtRoL
I'm not even sure that it even exists but if it does, Doom Patrol is probably the biggest ripoff ever. Tex Twofer and White Womanto havin-ass motherfrickers.
Oreos are a vegan alternative to Hydrox which became more popular than the original
Look it up… unless you’re a yellow bellied coward you invaded my thread uninvited, KID
I'm aware, I'm just havin' a laff
what a coincidence so am I. Hope we haven’t been trolling each other. That would be dog chasing tail levels of embarrassing
Doom Patrol.
OP is moronic guys, don't engage
I mean, pretty much every work has "taken inspiration" from other works, OP.
Star Wars drew heavily from Samurai films, westerns (Han Solo is dressed almost exactly like the lead in High Noon), old WW2 movies, etc. The Sarlacc pit fight is basically a futuristic version of a swashbuckling pirate ship battle, complete with somebody walking the plank.
Or take Predator, for example. It starts like a Rambo movie, then becomes a cross between Alien and The Most Dangerous Game. Still a great horror movie.
>I mean, pretty much every work has "taken inspiration" from other works, OP.
For the twentieth time, that is not the point. I want to know why, despite derivative being such a huge controversy in internet discourse a while back, nobody seems to care anymore. Why does nobody have a problem with this now? Why are you illiterate morons physically incapable of answering the actual question being asked? God fricking dammit.
>nobody seems to care anymore
Caring in the first place was a sign that someone hadn't read or watched enough of the things that inspired and were inspired by other stories to know it doesn't matter, moron.
>For the twentieth time, that is not the point.
That is the point. Derivative writing is nothing new, and can even be a tool. Kindergarten Cop begins like a ripoff of 80s action movies because it wants you to understand that this is a standard Arnold Schwarzenegger action hero before sticking him in a wacky situation.
It's not worth getting mad over, especially if the whole point is to create a familiar character before doing something unusual with them.
>I want to know why, despite derivative being such a huge controversy in internet discourse a while back, nobody seems to care anymore.
Because nobody takes those huge stupid nerd arguments that seriously anymore. Same reason that nobody outside Death Battle threads gives a frick about powerlevels.
>It's not worth getting mad over
Then why the frick was everyone always getting so mad over it even into the fricking late 2010s?
>Because nobody takes those huge stupid nerd arguments that seriously anymore. Same reason that nobody outside Death Battle threads gives a frick about powerlevels.
Bullshit. Do you not know what website you're on right now?
>Then why the frick was everyone always getting so mad over it even into the fricking late 2010s?
Because you're making up an exaggerated version of the past to try and force some kind of argument or assertion that isn't true. Some pedantic homosexuals screamed about things being derivative because they were simpletons, not because everyone truly cared and was outraged by derivative ideas.
>Then why the frick was everyone always getting so mad over it even into the fricking late 2010s?
Because people copied other people getting righteously indignant
Like
said, it is actually nothing new. Every time you see some doofus on Twitter cry about plagiarism, most of the time it's over something trivial. Moreso when it has to do with entertainment. Only once in a while do they correctly point out something actually plagiarized. It's basically the Boy Who Cried Wolf syndrome combined with goldfish-memory of history
>not mentioning the 2 major Star Wars inspirations Dune and New Gods
Dune, New Gods, Valerian, Space Battleship Yamato (possibly)
How did you forget Flash Gordon?
Good point.
You have to be talking out of your ass.
Dune and Star Wars having too much "Inspiration" is not news, Lucas was evasive when asked about how much Dune inspired his works while Frank Herbert joked that he could sue him if he gave a frick.
Fourth World inspiration is a bit more obscure but way more serious in my opinion, because they share some really unique themes such as the Force and the Source and were created quite close to each other.
>tfw everybody is already mentioning Doom Patrol and X-men now that both are mainstream with their new shows
Damn, I need a new semi obscure example now, it's a shame that was the most fun one.
> I don't know when people suddenly became okay with blatantly derivative works,
Since forever? Very few works are completely original.
Okay, OP, I've got to ask, are you the guy that cries about crossovers on Cinemaphile occasionally?
Ok so what i'm getting from all this is that nothing is original but taking a concept and not doing anything with it is the issue here and i mean by that is just yeeting the x popular hero and just making an ripoff off of it and try to present it into a serious story that isn't trying to be satire
Now for op's question i think it's because of influx of more and more capeshit "deconstruction" becoming more and more widespread so people assume it's the "deconstruction" or some shit
Also i want to ask if you could use the idea or some concepts and to what extend
Can you give for an random example character superman like backstory or identity but everything else, even story is nothing like the said thing it started off as?
Also what if someone starts with ripoff but does something with it and develop it into a completely different thing by the end, is it still palagrism?
What are Bryan Fuller's best original shows ideas ripoffs of? I mean Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies and the woefully passed upon Amazing Screw On Head?
Wonderfalls has been done (Joan of Arc) but I can't think of anything for the others.
Elements, sure, but the main concepts are quite unique.
And before anyone b***hes, this is Cinemaphile-relevant because PD had a comic and ASoH was a cartoon.
>Dead Like Me, Pushing Daisies,Amazing Screw On Head
Can't think of anything they're derivative of.
>How is this allowed? Not legally, but socially. Seriously, I don't know when people suddenly became okay with blatantly derivative works, but I demand an explanation.
DC had the rights to those Charlton characters but they suggested Moore not use them so that they could be integrated in the main DC universe
It's been happening for a hundred years OP, pic related is Nosferatu, Murnau wanted to make a Dracula movie but they couldn't get the rights so they just went ahead with their own sufficiently distinct vampire
IT’S FINE IN INVINCIBLE BECAUSE ALL THOSE RIPOFF Black folk WERE JOBBERS WHO DIED IN THE BEGINNING OF THE STORY
This isn't even the first time someone made an overwrought fanfic using bootleg versions of big two characters. How and why does this shit keep happening?
I'll just leave this here.
Frick the Imperial Guard. The absolute gall of this shit when several members of the X-Men themselves are ripoffs of the Legion of Super-Heroes. Looking at you, Shadowcat, AKA Not-Phantom Girl.
The whole Giant X-Men guys were flipped from a scrapped pitch for Legion.
>everything must be 100% original in everything it does or else it doesn't count
Say goodbye to like 75% of pop culture then. There hasn't been anything new under the sun since fricking David has his tussle with Goliath
must be 100% original in everything it does or else it doesn't count
Yes. Come up with your own ideas or frick off. It's that simple.
>Say goodbye to like 75% of pop culture then.
Then 75% of pop culture is worthless trash and doesn't deserve to exist.
Jonny English
What about it? It's a ripoff AND it's a Rowan Atkinson movie, so it especially needs to be erased from existence.
Jake English
Homestuck is one of the most derivative pieces of media in existence. Are you going somewhere with this, or are you under the mistaken impression that you're funny?
John French
Surely you don’t think that bringing up a historical pseudonym is a proper rebuttal to his argument
I most certainly do, and don’t call me Shirley
... There are two possible things you're trying to go for here, and both of them are obnoxious. Frick you.
Frick me? At least buy me dinner first. Dinner, not Donner of course, that would be illegal
You must be fun at parties
You totally ARE the guy that cries about Crossovers on Cinemaphile. What's wrong, did your gimmick stop working, so you need to try something new over here?
>Come up with your own ideas
Think of a color that doesn't exist. By the way you have to use words that haven't been used before.
>implying that coming up with original ideas is literally physically impossible
You are not helping your case, holy shit.
No but at least I’m not a lobster
>original
Again, there are only 22 stories and 7 general plots. If you want to cry about it come up with a new color then. Prove us wrong. Show us how easy it is. Since you know what true originality is. Remember, no words that have been used before.
I'm not a writer, I'm not gonna do these hacks' job for them.
Just letting you know you're a butthurt crybaby.
Just letting you know this little jerk is not content to stay in his own little thread
He has to ruin fun wherever he goes
Check it
ITT: people don't know plagiarism means
noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms
>the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
Go frick yourself.
This guy talks like a 14 year old. I think he might be underage
I think he just talks that way to make people mad, it's a gimmick, like ACgay
Why do you insist on defending plagiarism? Is it out of some delusional hope that you might get away with making your own terrible knockoff story and trick people into reading it?
It's not plagiarism if you change things enough.
>"It's not theft if you file the serial numbers off. Wait, why are you arresting me? Stop!"
Harassment is also a crime
And disturbing the peace
Of course it’s odd that you take that stance on stealing given that your a communist
It's more like you're saying that making a gun at all would be plagiarism because guns already exist
So who were these stolen from.
What the frick doesn't Invincible steal from?
>communist
... I'd ask where the frick you pulled this from, but I don't actually care that much about your delusions.
>What the frick doesn't Invincible steal from?
That's what I Saud. Name what's stolen.
Peronist then. It fits your corporate worshiping speech pattern
>corporate worshiping
Says the moron who says it's perfectly okay to steal shit.
You can't steal concepts.
Did you create those concepts? No? Then using them in your story is stealing. moron.
Did you invent those words? No? Then using them in your post is stealing. homosexual.
That is not what I mean, and you know it. Stop trying to defend plagiarism.
Oh course you didn't mean that. Someone already thought of it before you. Unless you're stealing that too.
So this is your last ditch strategy, huh? To be an obtuse c**t on purpose? Pathetic.
No. It's to hold you to your own standards. Unless, you don't have any and just want to waste space on Cinemaphile.
>standards
That's rich coming from an Invincible fan.
So you don't have any standards
>fan
And now all you have is egoizing.
He’s 14, what do you expect
>still being a butthhurt twat
Aquaman is based on legends of Atlantis. By your definition that pic you posted should be illegal
I’m a bit mad right now, but I won’t be mad later. You on the other hand will still be an edgy 14 year old piece of shit
Ask the Brotherhood of Evil mutants
Wasn't Superman cited as being based on Moses or something
He's based on John Carter and Hugo Danner
And the way he show off his super strenght is based on Hugo Hercules and Popeye
>complaining about derivative works
Simpsons did it
and they pretend that the simpsons isn't a flintstones ripoff
It isn't. The format is different, the style of humor is very different. The Flintstones was basically just a family sitcom of its era but animated. The Simpsons was a sharp departure from that style of comedy, so much so it caused a lot of outrage for being far too "mean" and "edgy".
Course kids today don't even bat an eye at stuff in the simpsons, and it's been far surpassed in edginess by other cartoons, but back in 1989 it was avant garde.
Simpsons has jokes about it being derivative.
>How is this allowed?
Parody or commentary.
Invincible is neither though. It's a completely straightforward story positing that Kryptonians are a fascist imperial power, and Superboy isn't on board with that.
Also, the question is in regards to audience acceptance rather than the legality of the practice.
>Kryptonians are a fascist imperial power
But Kryptonians aren't.
... Anon. Being moronic on purpose only serves to make you look moronic.
I'm sorry. A is not B. You can't steal A if you have B.
Viltrumites are absolutely bootleg kryptonians. Now you're just being disingenuous.
We need to stop pretending that parody and satire are acceptable excuses to commit theft.
You are a bad person and I’m leaving
>Viltrumites
>Kryptonians
Those aren't the same words. Nor do they where the same clothes, have the same skin tones, or similar cultures. Anon, you having a red car doesn't mean it's my stolen blur car.
>hurr hurr legally distinct
Anyone with a functioning brain can see that the former is evocative of the latter.
Anon, your green shoes are equivalent to my lime shoes. That doesn't mean you stole them.
it's clearly satiric, anyone with a brain can comprehend this, this is a troll thread
Maybe so, but he ruined my thread and ruined my afternoon by proxy so I’m striking right back
>whining about your thread being "ruined"
>accusing others of being children
...
>"You're a bad person for stating that theft is wrong."
The hell is going on with Cinemaphile today?
>I don't know when people suddenly became okay with blatantly derivative works
since the first hunter imitated the tactics of rival hunters some millions years ago
why are you so ignorant, baby?
I feel like I'm looking at all the Palworld discourse again
It's to mock you specifically, OP. All of human storytelling has been moving towards this just because our ancestors knew it would annoy you in particular.
Who cares, Batman and Superman will become public domain in a few years.
Yes, and just as with literally every time that happens, the only thing that anyone can think to do with them is make some tryhard edgelord shit. Creativity is dead.
Ooooh now I get it! You were that guy who kept whining about Blood and Honey forever ago.
You’re the guy who likes sniffing poo
And by poo I mean bears. And by bears I don’t mean gay men
But I do mean worm. I rather like worm, my favorite character is Armsmaster
Coward. Not replying! No Tuna milk for you. Find your own fishbreasts to suckle on
I'm starting to think that Cecil might be incompetent, or at least isn't working above his paygrade.
It’s the opposite. People are getting so obsessed with originality that there’s nothing left to do.
What it means to be plagiarize?
You're just kinda dumb, man. Relax it'll be okay
Made my own fully original comic to prove you morons wrong. As you can see absolutely everything is original and like nothing made before. It really is that easy. Your welcome.
This reminds me of those shape beings from The Amazing World of Gumball. Also a little of the Amoeba sisters and Qbert
>Using lines to indicate who's talking
I've seen that before, you fricking hack.
Frick. You're right. The paneling was also a little cliche.
Now it is truly fully original.
>Black outlines to indicate the confines of the characters
Try again.
Dang. Maybe originality is harder than I thought.
Exactly, everything is inspired by something.
>Comic with characters in it
Pretty sure you didn't come up with that.
How about a blank canvas?
Plato already did it
Fricking Plato? Damn, no wonder the bored of education fetishizes them greeks so much.
You can buy those at most hobby shops.
Not original.
How about an entire building full of empty canvases? Perhaps that could be considered art.
Sounds like a canvas warehouse. Too close in concept, not original.
Already done
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/danish-court-orders-repayment-from-artist-who-took-the-money-and-ran-180982950/
That's hella crazy! Guess I learnt something new, I suppose.
Corporate complacency is the ultimate goal.
Nothing is original since the Epic of Gilgamesh
>Epic of Gilgamesh
The invention of tropes, eh? Fascinating.
These characters just exist to be killed off and to set the tone of the story. "Imagine DC comics, but more brutal", that's literally it. If you get mad over something like this, you have issues beyond plagiarism in your life
I was solely in it for the gore, and it absolutely delivered!
I see this more as borrowing than it is copying
Deceptive wording, but I appreciate your ability to convincingly manifest.
Everything is a copy, rip off, parody of everything else.
EVERYTHING.
You can't name one thing (from last 25-30 years?) that isn't a copy/rip off/parody.
>Everything is a copy, rip off, parody of everything else.
Then why does everyone, audience and critics alike, love labeling everything as a ripoff and calling it shit for being unoriginal? It's almost like we as a civilization have collectively decided that plagiarism is bad and that stealing ideas is to be met with hostility.
>reference
There's another one of those cop out buzzwords.
May I have an example of a wholly original concept?
>There's another one of those cop out buzzwords.
>TELL ME WHAT THE ANSWER TO 2 + 2 IS AND DON'T SAY 4!!
You're not even autistic. You're just extremely moronic and have no concept or nuance.
>"Waaah, stop calling me out on my attempts to justify theft!"
No.
Still a flying brick who serves as an archetypical superhero. Frick you.
>A = B
Anon...
Yes, A indeed equals B. You're not fooling anyone, you're just a fricking thief. Frick you.
So admit A = B?
At this point (You)'re just farming (You)s and it's not even remotely amusing anymore.
It's absolutely a conscious reference. It's not even close to plagiarism, schizo.
>muh plagiarism
>when Batman is an infamously transparent and admitted ripoff of The Shadow and El Zorro
lol the irony
>muh dead IPs
Nobody cares.
Speaking of shit nobody actually cares about.
it _is_ scigay