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I have been watching a lot of curtis docs recently and I am finally accepting that nothing is real until we observe it and place our own meaning on it. This has been kinda liberating for me, I simply just do not care about anything outside of my own little space now. Think I am going to go for a nice snowy walk this afternoon and not be bothered by anything
I used to really like his movies when I was younger, but once you start to actually read into the topics he discusses you realize he’s basically a pretentious Alex Jones. He might have a basic grasp of a topic, but then fills in the rest with head canon and makes moronic jumps to conclusions based on this. He really is just a glorified circa 2010 conspiracy theorist youtuber.
I do really like his editing style though, it’s very distinct and interesting and ominous, but the actual “information” is trash.
This homie took the blue pill lmao. Alex Jones was right mostly about everything.
Yes, I get the sophomoric realization after you take “the red pill” and you first learn about shit like Boheamian Grove and MK Ultra ect. but there comes a time where you run into a wall and you have to realize that not everything is some evil plot. This is why you have moronic grifters like Owen Benjamin scamming people out of millions of dollars to buy land for himself because he plays into moronic shit like flat earth or space is fake.
If you watch The Power of Nightmares I don’t think you will really learn anything. He even gets into predictive programming stuff in HyperNormalization. Adam Curtis is just a blackpilled commie. He really believed in the dream of socialism, then when the USSR collapsed he realized it was dead, decided not to cope like every other leftist, but also still thinks capitalism is a dead end so now he just misery spirals and says everything in the world is bullshit.
It’s conspiracyslop, not real investigative reporting.
>you have to realize that not everything is some evil plot
Well not everything obviously that's a dumb strawman. There's all kinds of conspiracies going on all the time, maybe they're not all part of the same international cabal but you'd have to be blind not to see it.
>but also still thinks capitalism is a dead end so now he just misery spirals and says everything in the world is bullshit
He's not wrong though. Unregulated capitalism leads to a corporate controlled hell hole where you have no freedom and own nothing and yet everything you do is monetized. Which is coming soon.
Obviously there are people who do illegal and immoral things in secret for various reasons, but stop dicking around you know exactly what I mean when I reference conspiracy theorist. And these people are more often than not fueled by emotions, confirmation bias, and peer pressure from their bubbles where they jump to more and more ridiculous conclusions.
Also there is not one corner on Gods green earth where “capitalism” is unregulated. Corporate and government powers are tied to the hip. I’m really curious to hear what the left leaning Curtis fan has to say about something like how Pfizer and various governments handled the COVID 19 crisis
In corporatocracy the state becomes corrupt and practically only exists to serve corporate interests. I.e. the whole Pfizer vaxx debacle.
Curtis is an anti-authoritarian. He’s as critical of the USSR as he is everything else. His general thesis is about casting light on the inane games of control “the elite” play for no actual purpose, that are only effective at controlling people who are already controlled. Behavior that trickles down through every branch of society, causing others to play the same bullshit games for progressively lower stakes.
Hes still a blackpilled communist and all of his takes are filtered through that lense. He’s not a tankie, but he clearly thought the USSR had the potential to craft a grand new path forward.
Did you mean to do nothing but repeat what you already said at
? Because the response is still
>blackpilled communist
They get so blackpilled but are too pussy to become fascist so they an hero like Mark Fisher, you love to see it
Drugs are bad m'kay
I think there's definitely some mainstream cognitive dissonance happening right now where the Epstein thing blew up and now people have to pretend that all of these rich and famous and powerful people aren't actually fricked up pedophiles. Like, I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that there's a literal child sex slavery island that celebrities would visit and now we have to live with that information forever. People would call you a crazy conspiracy theorist if you believed in that stuff just a few years ago, and now it's basically confirmed and normies are just kind of dismissive or don't even care.
Yeah, his docs are kino but the actual content is questionable. He makes shit up a lot lol
>but then fills in the rest with head canon and makes moronic jumps to conclusions based on this.
this is zoomer-speak for what was historically known as 'thinking'
What he's doing is not "thinking", he's a neuron-pilled thoughtmaxxing braincel.
Coming to outlandish conclusions based on little to no evidence isn’t “thinking” is just being moronic.
>outlandish conclusions based on little to no evidence
give examples of when Curtis does that. Which conclusions in which films?
name an instance of a historian working with complete 'evidence'
Of course this anon isn't getting any (You) tonight, sasuga. Probably something related to the other board's ideology.
I think this is hyperbole too because he never really comes to definitive conclusions. The critque of him just jumping back and forth between subjects and visuals also always seemed to apply to the hamfisted way he needs to wrap it up. He would probably make a never-ending movie if he could, he seems like the type of guy that is always changing his mind. Thats the takeaway I always had with his stuff too, it just offers an interesting alternative viewpoint that might strike your curiosity. He's pretty harmless so idk why he attracts so much seethe from people, if morons take everything from his stuff at face value then they missed a lot of what he talks about to begin with and that's on them.
>pretentious Alex Jones
*leftist Alex Jones
The issue is that to understand the issues he is talking about you dont need fast paced docs, you need really boring geopolitics books.
I've watched a lot of his stuff and while I still very much enjoy the content I've come to agree somewhat with what you just said.
I sometimes get the impression that he is simplifying, stretching, or inflating certain events more than is maybe justified, to do the very thing he accuses governments of doing (create a digestible narrative).
However I do tend to agree with a fair amount of his points.
I sometimes get the urge to just rewatch through all his shit to create a full chronological map of his view and how it all connects
Based.
Check out Level With Me, it's on Rumble.
lmao
based
It Felt Like a Kiss is pure audio visual editing kinography, no voice over
was he in the right?
in life or in death
Century of self is his best documentary. Can't Get You Out of My Head is his most comprehensive and definitive work though and brings together most of his ideas. Traumazone was fricking amazing btw.
What did Curtis say after the London terror attacks? Not trying to deboonk his thoughts btw
A big part of his take on Islamic terrorism is that it’s not that big of a deal and it’s hyped up by media because they want sensationalist views.
He also thinks those who oppose immigration to any capacity are just racist idiots. He’s a typical boomer Labour leftist but he filters his takes through sinister/cool edits so that people think his ideas are off the radar or whatever.
That's not true at all I don't think you've watched any of his documentaries
The entire point of Power of Nightmares is exactly this to the point where he claims that Al Qaeda didn’t even exist and that Bin Laden was just a shit talker. He also claims in HyperNormalization that Gaddafi also Dindu nuffin but simply took credit for various terrorist attacks to appear relevant on the world stage and people like Reagan, who also knew he wasn’t responsible, just ran with it so that they could have a bad guy to go after.
I think you’re projecting or you didn’t grasp what argument Curtis was making in his movies.
That all sounds totally right and correct.
>it sounds
Ok well it isn’t right. You think it “sounds” right because it reinforces your poorly constructed world view.
No it is right. Al Queada wasn't a global James Bond style super terrorist organization, they probably didn't even do 9/11, Gaddafi didn't do much in reality and was probably the best leader in Africa, and Reagan and basically every president since Carter exaggerates and funds Islamic terrorist for the benefit of the military-industrial complex.
This is pure moronic slop. Al Qaeda was founded in 1988 and indeed was a highly effective international terrorist organization funded initially by Saudi billionaire Osama bin Laden. They did do 9/11 as well.
You’re just ignorant and fueled by conspiracy slop and confirmation bias. Maybe you can explain why Muhammad Atta was on security camera footage the morning of Sep 11, 2001 boarding flight 11? Or why he attended flight school in Florida, becoming an FAA certified pilot and the whole thing was paid for Khalid Shiek Muhammad, the man behind the 93 trade center bombing?
>he doesn't know
Pointless arguing with ignorant morons
Oh how convenient of you to hide behind a vague dismissive comments. It’s almost as if you are completely full of shit and have no idea what you’re talking about. Maybe if you actually read into this instead of consuming slick and flashy conspiracyslop you could actually hold a conversation.
It's pointless. It's not like you're going to change your mind.
You’re projecting. I’m engaging your directly on the topic you brought up and you’re completely impotent to even attempt to argue a point on it because you’re so ignorant and illiterate.
I even posted Attas flight logs and the image of him boarding flight 11, what do you have? Calling me a “sheeple”?
I'm a different anon moron
No it's reality that this was not a top down organization headed by single super villain, even to this day it essentially a bunch of independent organizations operating under name and usually funded by Saudi Arabia and the US. Why were known terrorist and associates of terrorist allowed to get FAA certified by the way?
It was indeed a top down organization with Bin Laden as the head. It was essentially a shadow government with its own military head, financial and public outreach, with bin Laden overseeing them all. They were NOT funded by the USA, but they were funded by Muslims from the USA, very big difference.
> Why were known terrorist and associates of terrorist allowed to get FAA certified by the way?
The hijackers were part of the Hamburg Cell. Al Qaeda specifically recruited Arab Islamist students already in the western world because they would have an easier time getting into the US. These were all young professionals attending school in Hamburg Germany, hence the name.
It wasn't and never was. Hell most terrorist organizations aren't, not exactly a good strategy which is why it's almost never done. The idea it was a shadow government is insane, a government of what nation, Saudi Arabia? Afghanistan, countries that either deported or offered to deport him?And the CIA was the ones funding them. They funded all of this during Operation Cyclone and still do to this day with shit like Timber Sycamore and god knows what else, along with the Saudi's and Pakistan.
You really have no fricking clue what you’re talking about moron. Al Qaeda was funded initially wholly by bin Ladens private fortune as well as various front companies and NGOs they established especially in Africa.
Yeah all these known covert operations where the CIA funded tons of terrorists and Islamic shits that money somehow never reached Osama, they are totally clean. It was all private finance, US intelligence, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, why those are all good guys never do anything like fund terrorism.
You didn’t know what the Hamburg Cell was but now you’re an expert on how this group financed itself? Blow it out your ass, you’re just repeating conspiracy slop every other normie does.
I can give you some good book recommendations if you want to stop being moronic
Yeah you are so much smarter than the normies for agreeing with state department propaganda from 20 years ago. Everyone knows if normies believe something it has to be untrue.
This homie is just spouting Iraq war era propaganda and being smug about it lmao
Found the Ivan.
When you ask-
"In your imaginary conspiracy, do the Russians exist, and do they have intelligence services that spend hundreds of millions to infiltrate groups?"...
they always say...
"No, Russians don't exist. They have never existed. They are imaginary. You are creating an imaginary conspiracy where Russians with intel agencies and paid domestic assets exist."
Score to the KGB, SVR & GRU.
Let me guess, you took the jab and support the Ukraine war?
How can you accuse other people of being conspiracy nuts and then accuse random people on Cinemaphile of being Russian agents because they disagree with you on a subject that many Americans have questions and issues with.
nta but I am always on the lookout for book recommendations about stuff like this
The Hunt for KSM and The Rise and Fall of Osama bin Laden are great books for this topic. Way better than online “truther” slop
>. Way better than online “truther” slop
This. When you actually look into what went down you realize it's much more interesting than whatever gets shilled on the tv these days.
>Yeah all these known covert operations where the CIA funded tons of terrorists and Islamic shits that money somehow never reached Osama, they are totally clean. It was all private finance, US intelligence, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, why those are all good guys never do anything like fund terrorism.
The CIA sent money to Pakistan to fund anti-Soviet fighters in Afghanistan, Pakistan used that money to fund its supporters to destabilize Afghanistan and create another front against India. That's where it all went wrong.
Ok, I'll bite.
What exactly was the result of 9/11? Did the US bomb Saudi to bits? Did the saudis quit OPEC and give free oil to the US as a sort of reparation? Or did they get sanctioned for harboring and financing international terrorism? No. What happened was the creation of an american surveillance state that would have made the GESTAPO blush while the american taxpayer emptied his pockets into the hands of Lockheed and friends to blow up dunecoons in afghanistan and Iraq. The latter being actively cheered on by the saudis. And as thanks he gets his dick touched by feds at the airport.
As always the biggest enemies of the american people are sitting in DC.
>Did the US bomb Saudi to bits?
No of course not, iran was found guilty in the end if you remember correctly.
>Doesnt answer or even engage in the questions I asked
Why the FRICK would America bomb Saudi Arabia in response to this? Because Osama was a Saudi citizen? What sense does that make?
Saudi Arabia kicked OBL out of their country in the 90s because he was chimping out over US troops being stationed there. And despite the Saudis being one of the only countries to recognize Taliban controlled Afghanistan, they withdrew that recognition after they gave Al Qaeda safe refuge.
The leadership roles of Al Qaeda were all Egyptian too btw, from their military chief Abu Haffs and his predecessor Ali Rashidi, and Atta who was the leader of the hijacker squad. Bin Ladens right hand man Al Zawahiri and successor as leader was an Egyptian too and they even faced internal issues because memebers felt Egyptians had preferential treatment
The footage is hearsay. No footage exists of Mo Atta boarding the flights, it's just him at the same airport. Likewise every flight instructor said they were horrible pilots who couldn't do half of what they claim and didn't have any experience with the planes used on 9/11.
>video footage of him on the morning of Sep 11, 2001 is hearsay
moron. Also, he graduated flight school and became an FAA certified pilot and traveled to the Miami airport to train specifically on Boeing 767 simulators. You’re making shit up.
“Truthers” are ignorant pigs
What's your alternative worldview then? What is al-Qaeda, who is Gaddafi and who is Reagan, as they relate to each other?
Seconding this question
I want you to answer directly why Khalid Shiek Muhammad paid for Muhammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi to attend Huffman aviation school in 2000, with both earning their pilots licenses.
>those who oppose immigration to any capacity are just racist idiots
In the sense that every “immigration” talking point is pure sensationalist nonsense, that’s completely true.
Adam Curtis always gets so close to the actual truth in his documentaries, but then he pussies out right at the end.
frick off nazi moron
oyyyyyyyy
frick off troony moron
In what jumping to conclusions?
Never do that, is a documentary not a movie reality doesn't end when you say cut.
You do your own conclusions. What, do you need everything spoonfed to you?
>then he pussies out right at the end.
Youre not watching close enough
is that a whistling dog?
Yes I think it's a german Shepard
Hypernormalization legitimately altered the way that I see the world and I know that's gay to admit but it genuinely shifted my perspective in ways that few other documentaries have been able to.
>is that…RANDOM FOOTAGE WITH POP MUSIC AND SINISTER CAPTIONS?!?
>AHHHH IM GOING INSANE!
But it wasn't. And what it was was a ring-fenced cabal of nefarious actors engaging busily to put down any attempt at mass action.
*archive footage of people in the 50s dancing with electro-pop dubbed over it
Is there a high quality torrent out there? All I see is SD or 360p quality torrents?
Under the Silver Lake
The voices
John dies at the end
Take shelter
Shutter island
Mouth of madness
Is this one of those conspiracy docs full of "isn't it a little strange that..." questions that are never really resolved?
Re-watching Can't Get You Out of My Head now, I'm still not sure waht to make of it.
https://archive.org/details/ThePosthumanWorld