ITT: The dumbest?

ITT: The dumbest Cinemaphilentroversies you can think of.

When Katy Perry had a segment on Sesame Street that was a parody of her "Hot n' Cold" song, it got complaints that her outfit was too revealing and pulled from broadcast.

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    this is not Cinemaphile anyways I never found that b***h hot

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      same

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      bawds are gross

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Puppets are Cinemaphile

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Not comics
        >Not cartoons
        >Not based off of comics
        >Not based off of cartoons
        Puppets aren't Cinemaphile.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          When the josh luna types, and the people who lose their shit about race insisted that Iron fist and Snake Eyes must be asian.

          this is not Cinemaphile anyways I never found that b***h hot

          Puppet animation is still animation. Go talk to the jannies if you have a problem with that.

          When Twittergays were pissed at some fujo artist for.... twinkifying Pavitr? This was the weirdest case of infighting I've ever seen, woketards fighting with other woketards because apparently making Pavitr effeminate was racist or something

          woketards are a special breed.

          I mean we could fill the entire thread with woketard shit.

          It's a Cinemaphile related controversy but how was it dumb? It was valid since content farms were doing weird shit.

          Because Elsa doing weird shit to spiderman is dumb? Note that dumb isn't the same as "invalid", which is a trick that people use to negate shit they don't like even though it's true.

          The shit where the SPCL went after Dr Seuss, and the conservatives went moron in response was dumb, but not necessarily invalid.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Puppet animation is still animation
            Stop motion sort of things would be. Sesame Street and the Muppets aren't.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Puppets are Cinemaphile

      >Not comics
      >Not cartoons
      >Not based off of comics
      >Not based off of cartoons
      Puppets aren't Cinemaphile.

      Sick of these puppet gays invading muh Cinemaphile. Why can't they keep their fricking shit on /pup/?

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >not wanting young boys to grow up with the sexual respect to an attractive woman
    Amerikkka strikes again.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the sexual respect
      Oh god, we've got a live one here.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eat shit eurogay

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    huh so that's why she is in that Simpsons muppet parody? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M95__RnZQz4

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Simpsons muppet parody
      and now both are owned by Disney, we've really gone full circle

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    When WiR2 trailer dropped and it had all the Disney princesses with backlash towards Tiana, claiming that Disney was whitewashing her.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those are two entirely different types of black people

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most of the Ralph princess characters look like entirely different characters. They're all done in a different style, excluding the more modern Frozen characters. Even Rapunzel looks pretty different.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          man those models have creepy big eyes and I say that being a fricking weeb

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          They looked weird and bad. Cinderella looks like total shit. I don't even get the thinking here.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          raps is perfect in both versions

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          AND STOP STARIN AT ME WITH THEM BIG OLD EYES

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I think Pochantas is the only one who felt like an improvement.
          It’s impressive how even Merida feels like a downgrade with how ugly she is in her own movie. And how is it that even Rap, Moana and the Frozen sisters look wrong.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair that genuinely doesn't look like the same b***h.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Black peoples are so soft, they b***h about everything.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This stuff is annoying. All skin types look different under different lighting.
      It's like when I saw Encanto fanart where everyone was midnight black skin because the artists are afraid to be called racist if they're too light-skinned.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      they do look like two completely different people, they actually made her nose WAY smaller lol

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Colorism was born on the Auction Block.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Different hair, different nose, different skin, only thing that's retained is the eye color.

      Might as well be a new character.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Uhh they actually did lighten her skin and hair and lesson her black features. I'd say this is a legit case of whitewashing

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This is terrible racism! We know what racism is and what it isn't!
      >Anyway, see you tomorrow at the Free Palestine rally outside the Israeli Embassy; make sure to get the swastika banner ready! I'll bring the Intifada leaflets!

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It becomes even more moronic when "Free palestine" chicks b***h at you for being "anti-Semitic" when joking about the tunnels
        >I'm anti-zionist, but I'm not an anti-semite, chud!

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        what's that old saying? if you need to know how's really in charge look at who your not allowed to make fun of?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          And that would be left wing governments who think that being on the right side of history makes you 'teh gewd guys'. I mean Christ, their voters are getting away with shit like what I mentioned in countries where it's illegal

          It becomes even more moronic when "Free palestine" chicks b***h at you for being "anti-Semitic" when joking about the tunnels
          >I'm anti-zionist, but I'm not an anti-semite, chud!

          It's twitter. It's them just projecting and denying. The site had a ton of AS before Elon made it worse. They call themselves hurr durr antifascists but when they're kvetching at someone who dared defend Israel at all, even reluctantly, they ignore the ACTUAL /misc/tards above and below them spouting israelite conspiracies. No way they didn't see it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            they'll b***h about white people doing bad shit but when it comes to china or the middle east or a 3rd world with war lords and ones that still have slavery to this very day it's fricking crickets, y'know those same white people that stopped slavery, those white people who gave them their jobs and platforms in the first place, hell japan is more racist towards black people still to this very day and they don't say shit about that they just want an excuse to be racist towards white people because of shit that happened over 100 years ago.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It looks like they were right

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly this is valid. That's not Tiana, that's Beyonce.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      In all fairness this does not look like the same character at all, but all the Disney princesses looked weirdly off model in that movie

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      For once they’re actually right. Basically the only thing about the Ralph 2 version they got right was her eye color. You remove her from the context of being sat with the other princesses where your mind goes “black = Tiana, white = Lenny”, and this just really is just non descript background character.
      I don’t think it was from a place of maliciousness, I just think they were lazy

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Out of curiosity, what do the AI programs think Pixar Tiana should look like?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The princesses in general looked different in WiR, primarily the ones going from 2D to 3D.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I guess to be fair, as a little boy I've gotten erections from similar outfits and the like. So it is potentially too distracting for an educational show for toddlers.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's no more revealing that a typical dress you might see at a family's wedding. Hiding cleavage because a child might go through the natural process of discovering sexual stimulus is silly. Especially since most of the target audience won't even think twice about Katy Perry's boobs the same way most kids didn't realize how fricking hot Ms. Bellum was.

      Yeah, some kids did, but most just saw her as "Ms. Bellum", not an hour-glass, D-Cup babe. When your brain hasn't been developed enough to hit that phase yet, you literally just don't see sexual imagery like that.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Moms have the dirtiest minds in the world. They project it onto everyone else. It’s fricking insane. Admittedly some dudes have the same problem as we see from all the ‘coomer’ comments made here by dudes obsessed with what other dudes are looking at because they might be jerking off.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can confirm. My wife is a mom now, and giving birth turned her from a pseudo-Catholic "holding hands in public is obscene" girl into the nastiest, kinkiest b***h I have ever lain with. 90% of the time our babysitters get called is so we can hit a motel and frick like rabbits for a few hours.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >holding hands in public is obscene
            Lewd

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Usually it's because the moms themselves were molested as kids, and now they're hypervigilant with their own kids to the point of damage.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Usually it's because the moms themselves were molested as kids
            wtf. No, they're just overprotective and forget what it's like being a kid. Jesus Christ.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >They project it onto everyone else
          >Admittedly some dudes have the same problem
          have you SEEN the "obvious proof of fetish" threads? Anons interpret literally every single thing as "obviously sexual".
          >She sat on a chair and it broke. You can't tell me the animators didn't know what they were doing, bro

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    probably beavis and butthead having to have those stupid disclaimers back in the day.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    When Twittergays were pissed at some fujo artist for.... twinkifying Pavitr? This was the weirdest case of infighting I've ever seen, woketards fighting with other woketards because apparently making Pavitr effeminate was racist or something

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      woketards are a special breed.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      spiderverse should've been gatekept

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Spider-Verse should never have been a thing in the first place

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      So a handful of comments on a Twitter post are what's considered a controversy now?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't a handful, it was multiple viral posts shitting on the artist until they got ran off the internet

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    everything Turning Red

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You mean when people didn't want to even watch this ugly stupid looking shit and gays got upset about it?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not mentioning 9/11 is a really big mistake

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Obviously they should have spammed allegories and references to it like Lois campaigning for mayor

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >this movie will forever have 9/11 memes tied to it because of one autstic lolcow cartoon reviewer.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The director talking about how they had a long internal discussion about showing a tampon box on-screen felt like a fever dream.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I know what they are going for but it feels like a fetish thing with how hard they are pushing it lately something like that should be private, you wouldn't get away with talking about erections for boys

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          > you wouldn't get away with talking about erections for boys
          The symbolism behind shows like thundercats and he-man were pretty puberty-heavy and they actually had psychologist consultants who specialized in adolescents. Yes, erections were discussed through tinkly veiled metaphors.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        why. What internal discussion. I thought the director said they were surprised when he higher ups just let it happen without fuss.

        I know what they are going for but it feels like a fetish thing with how hard they are pushing it lately something like that should be private, you wouldn't get away with talking about erections for boys

        kek

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone remember when a handful of industry morons were upset at some episode of Spongebob because a female nurse looked like a man and they said it was mocking trannies? It lasted like, a few days at best.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Trannies are monsters.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      ironic coming from a crowd of people who spout blatant propaganda at the drop of a hat

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        She learned it at school. What a shock.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          and they wonder why parents want to home school their kids.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It lasted like, a few days at best
      On twitter, as it should have, but it kept making the rounds here for a little longer

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have to ask: How do these weirdos and creeps get hired in the first place? Do the studios and networks just not care?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's all about networking over skill, they're just friends of friends of people already on the inside and have all the right brownnosing talking points to get hired

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why exactly do these people go crazy then?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        They can do the job they were hired to do. In any industry you're going to find complete morons. I've worked a lot of jobs and there are always a handful of people who have really dumb ideas, but they do what the boss asks.

        It's all about networking over skill, they're just friends of friends of people already on the inside and have all the right brownnosing talking points to get hired

        >It's all about networking over skill
        not true. It's about networking AND skill. The networking gets you to the door, but you won't be able to walk through it unless you can demonstrate you have the skills they need. Your portfolio needs to be strong and it's pretty common to be given a test to demonstrate how you'd work in a real-life scenario. Despite what Cinemaphile likes to say, there really isn't a way around that.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >bring trannies out of nowhere
      they are they worst enemy

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bob Camp did this design too and he’s usually seen by obnoxious morons as the “true creator” of Ren & Stimpy.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally 100% of the replies to this post were hysterical, no one could even remotely prove the statement that triggered them incorrect

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >co/ntroversies
    Wasn't there a time in the 70s or 80s where a tech hacked sesame street broadcast to interrupt a muppet sequence with nude burlesque dancer?? Cant find linked pic...

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    why do breasts be smaller on sesame street dough?

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous
  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    wasn't there a dude in a dress on that show once?

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I remember when they parodied this on the Simpsons, but I didn't know it was a parody.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous
  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that mlp is still banned on sight after over a decade.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      You must not have been here for long. Those people are genuinely disgusting and need to be purged.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Case in point.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      No that was a good move. Ban low effort troll posters on sight. I wish the mods would do the same to soijak posters.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm in favor of banning all SU content just to ger Peridot Poster

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't go into SU threads, but I've seen this guy mentioned in others. Who is the Peridot Poster and why is he so hated?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Have you just somehow avoided the board whenever this guy spams the catalog every day?

            • 4 months ago
              Anonymous

              I sincerely haven't noticed anything. Does he just make dozens of Peridot threads or what?

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                Basically yeah, he does it pretty much every single day too.
                You're actually blessed for somehow not knowing about this. I don't know how you can use Cinemaphile regularly and NOT have come across the board when he's in the middle of spamming

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                I usually just pick a handful of threads to pay attention to over the course of a day and not really look at many others.

              • 4 months ago
                Anonymous

                he does it around noon EST or so I think

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mlp was a mistake and I say this as a fan of Lauren Faust. It’s a nice show, but still a mistake

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    PAW Patrol porn link controversy

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Never heard of it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      wut

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does Elsagate count?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a Cinemaphile related controversy but how was it dumb? It was valid since content farms were doing weird shit.

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    *sigh*

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      "A straight white man."

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Funny how public opinion of pajeets has tanked lately.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because unlike blacks who have some attractive and masculine guys in their group pajeets have zero and they're increasingly attacking whites in media. However they contribute nothing of value to our country so nobody is going to defend them.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        probably due to the fact they blame whites for all their woes despite giving them a frick ton, that and the velma/apuu thing (even more pathetic when you consider velma's writer was born into a rich family and still acts like an entitled brat, absolute narcissist)

        Because unlike blacks who have some attractive and masculine guys in their group pajeets have zero and they're increasingly attacking whites in media. However they contribute nothing of value to our country so nobody is going to defend them.

        not to mention they steal jobs in tech and are over-populated.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        When they steal stem jobs (so you cant say "well, they're doing low income jobs no one wants"), are associated with scamming and have seemingly "problematic" political views (so you can't say "well, they'll vote progressive"), yeah, people don't like them.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because they keep making everything worse. AI is entirely their fault.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This was probably the dumbest, stupidest thing ever but it ended up influencing the whole goddamn medium. Making fun of stereotypes in American culture is the entire fricking point of The Simpsons. The problem with Apu was that his character was innovative. People were gonna move on from him eventually, but this damn thing just sped up the process way too quickly! Both parties lost when The Simpsons had to cave and get rid of Apu.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"APU WHY DO YOU TALK LIKE THAT"
      Oh I dunno, maybe because that's the natrual dialect every single native indian has that learns english as a second language, it's not even a bad thing it's just life, stupid fricking dumbass, hate this c**t

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Accents are racist, clearly.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      His career went nowhere after this

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >be offended by simpsons character
        >make entire movie about it
        >character erased from show
        >leave

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          they really should just bring apu back at this point.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate how much this impacted the VA industry

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dude really did more damage to the VA industry as an individual than anyone ever has, I'd wager.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, dude b***hed about non-ethnics in ethnic roles so hard that he found out the hard way how few some ethnicities of characters actually get represented in animation.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Dude really did more damage to the VA industry as an individual than anyone ever has, I'd wager.

        Well, I'd say George Floyd dying is really what started the change. After that, people were desperate to show their allyship to black people, and that meant black characters like Cleveland and Dr. Hibbert needed to be voiced by black people. This extended to other minority characters.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, that helped out the industry's favoritism for blacks and mexicans. If they cant make offensive asian jokes they don't even want to make their voiced characters asian.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This was probably the dumbest, stupidest thing ever but it ended up influencing the whole goddamn medium. Making fun of stereotypes in American culture is the entire fricking point of The Simpsons. The problem with Apu was that his character was innovative. People were gonna move on from him eventually, but this damn thing just sped up the process way too quickly! Both parties lost when The Simpsons had to cave and get rid of Apu.

      I hate how much this impacted the VA industry

      [...]
      Well, I'd say George Floyd dying is really what started the change. After that, people were desperate to show their allyship to black people, and that meant black characters like Cleveland and Dr. Hibbert needed to be voiced by black people. This extended to other minority characters.

      I hate this timeline.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Mom: Uh, I don't think you should watch Mighty Mouse anymore
    >7ish year old me: Wh-why??
    >Mom: idk the news said something about he was doing drugs on the show
    >Me: Drugs?
    >Mom: Yeah they said he was doing cocaine so it's really not appropriate any more

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember I had to gaslight my grandmother that i did not have GTA3 and it was a generic racing game. Also never heard a peep from her when I had Shin Megami Tensei Nocture since it wasnt on a headline like Pokemon.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I can tell you don’t have kids

  24. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I don't think it was the way she was dressed as much as I the way she acted. Felt like she was trying to somehow exploit the opportunity for her own agenda, not do anything particularly educational for kids.

  25. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone have that episode? Put it on Mega or something, pls

  26. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The word "Sex" in the Lion King
    The long, drawn out and extremely moronic "Lion King ripped off Kimba" controversy that's mostly perpetrated by people didn't watch Kimba (occasionally, someone who never watched Lion King either)
    Pokemon seizures (Yeah, it's Cinemaphile and /vp/, and pretty grounded, but it was kinda hilarious how a lot of it was blown out of proportion internationally)
    Tinky Winky supposedly being gay (Is Teletubbies even Cinemaphile?)
    Garfield's gender controversy

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      don't forget about the dick castle in the little mermaid, that ones a classic.

      it wouldn't surprise me if both those cases were disgruntled animators sneaking that in to piss off the higher up's

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      don't forget about the dick castle in the little mermaid, that ones a classic.

      it wouldn't surprise me if both those cases were disgruntled animators sneaking that in to piss off the higher up's

      The priest popping a boner in the Little Mermaid marriage scene
      "All good teenagers take off their clothes" in Aladdin

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >All good teenagers take off their clothes
        That reminded me of all the old YouTube videos about it that would tell you to turn up the volume and then instead of the line it was a scream

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      my mom still swears she passed by a tinky winky plush on black friday when I was young and it spouted "TINKY WINKY I AM GAY"

  27. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    My tae on this kind of thing is, I can maybe see the criticism, but people make too big a deal out of it because 'slightly inappropriate by accident at most' is not 'harmful or corrupting'. I would say it detracts a bit from the innocent atmosphere, at most,* but it's harmless.

    *Though it keeps the Dads (and some Mums) watching so I could be wrong!

  28. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not sure if dumb but kind of went too far. Does this scene seem racist? https://youtu.be/8mw_Cnjo13U?si=iQwdJT7H-A4GCptQ
    Its kind of mean but the girl herself said she didn’t want an Afro. It doesn’t make sense stella asking what is that and bloom touching it either. This episode had a few things changed too like some outfits and music being too sexy and stormy having a pretty suprising panty shot

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      that show had some loose ass fairies.

  29. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You just know elmo motorboated them tiddies

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Considering what happened to elmo's puppeteer/VA, let's just say Katy Perry and her tiddies may not have been as alluring as you'd think.

  30. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    When white manbabies got mad and thought PoC were replacing all their favorite superheroes

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's more like "we made the character black so if you say our story is shit we can pull the racist card"

      also there's plenty of good poc super heroes that everyone likes, people just don't like preachy/cringe as frick "special episode PSA" tier episodes or mary sues.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What? That was the marketing pitch anon. But I'll agree that it was stupid, in both directions.

  31. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently the creator of Kevin Spencer had to make an apology after the Fire Starter episode
    The rip off of an edgy cartoon had to apologize for being edgy and move TV channels

  32. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What were the dumbest cancellations of the last year?
    I only remember the boykisser creator one

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      cancelling is just modern day witch hunts only not justified.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      She got cancelled? Her FA is still up, and her last submission was 7 hours ago.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >furaffinity allows people as young as 13 to make an account

        Hmm...

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      If Discord is any indication, the people who spam this abomination are far worse than the creator could ever hope to be.

  33. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It kind of is garish, if I'm being honest. She couldn't have worn anything else?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. Her appearances always have clothes like that

  34. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_Mooninite_panic
    WE'RE TOO OLD TO UNDERSTAND
    IT'S NOT TARGETED TOWARDS ME SO IT'S AGAINST ME
    WE'RE SUING YOU FOR WASTING OUR TIME BECAUSE WE'RE STUPID
    MUH 9/11

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