New Hollywood gave us Coppala and Scorcese though. Spielberg and Lucas too (though they ended up giving birth to blockbuster excess)
There is a space for both blockbusters and non-franchise cinema
Masterpiece is a strong word, but the visuals certainly are and it’s unfairly hated. My pick is, frankly half of under appreciated Burtonkino, but specifically this. A very good drama.
impressive sets and some beautiful shots. but the movie really is pretty overall. incoherent in terms of plot and characterization. way too self-indulgent. how did he even come up with the rollerskating shit?
It's a beautiful movie, but that can only carry it so far. Honestly, I don't mind watching something that's more visual than plot (Beyond the Black Rainbow) but I need to know that going in. If I think I'm seeing a sweeping epic with romance and actions and drama, and I get...whatever the frick Heaven's Gate was, yeah, I'm not going to be impressed.
Cimino just loves people dancing in circles.
Yes, I will though fricking defend the skating fiddler scene with my life. It'll be my Waterloo.
The movie is the best and most realistic frontier Western ever made. Critics were so far up Peckinpah and Leone's ass that when a real western showed up they were confused and were still obsessed over the cartoonish, unrealistic slop that preceded it.
The problem with this movie and a lot of late stage New Hollywood stuff (Altman included) is that the movies tend to be too long and meandering.
It's obvious what they're attempting to do, but the end result is just too shmaltzy and pretentious.
And at the time they could command large budgets with little oversight, so it's extremely self-indulgent and half of the shit should've been left on the cutting room floor.
Don't forget the awful look of movies during that era, the new cameras they started using at the end of the 60s were terrible. New Hollywood movies, generally speaking, are flat and washed out looking. There are exceptions but most American films from that period were butt ugly
I’m glad that “new Hollywood” crashed and burned
Jaws and Star Wars are light years ahead compared to this self indulgent garbage
Same b8 day in day out, don't you get tired?
I’m not one who started this thread
See you tomorrow
New Hollywood gave us Coppala and Scorcese though. Spielberg and Lucas too (though they ended up giving birth to blockbuster excess)
There is a space for both blockbusters and non-franchise cinema
More importantly, Golden Age Hollywood was better than anything that came after it. The fall of the Hays code was unfortunate but inevitable
Naw, it was pretty fairly maligned. If anything it doesn't get enough maligning.
Unfairly maligned? Maybe, or at least partially. Masterpiece? Not even close.
Does Scarface count? It was a flop upon release and got the razzie award for worst movie of the year
Masterpiece is a strong word, but the visuals certainly are and it’s unfairly hated. My pick is, frankly half of under appreciated Burtonkino, but specifically this. A very good drama.
impressive sets and some beautiful shots. but the movie really is pretty overall. incoherent in terms of plot and characterization. way too self-indulgent. how did he even come up with the rollerskating shit?
Cimino just loves people dancing in circles.
He really does but it's kino. No one complained about the wedding scene in Deer Hunter but come Heaven's Gate it's suddenly self-indulgent crap??
It's more because he went like ten million over the budget and bankrupted united artists in the process
The wedding scene in Deer Hunter has always been cringe
Nah it's kino
It's a beautiful movie, but that can only carry it so far. Honestly, I don't mind watching something that's more visual than plot (Beyond the Black Rainbow) but I need to know that going in. If I think I'm seeing a sweeping epic with romance and actions and drama, and I get...whatever the frick Heaven's Gate was, yeah, I'm not going to be impressed.
Yes, I will though fricking defend the skating fiddler scene with my life. It'll be my Waterloo.
There are people in the current year +8 who are still #MadAtMort
I liked this, as I have a fondness for Ealing Studios and Carry On films.
>Ealing Studios and Carry On films.
Tremendously based, old chap.
Based Terry Thomas appreciator. Depp did a great impersonation.
The movie is the best and most realistic frontier Western ever made. Critics were so far up Peckinpah and Leone's ass that when a real western showed up they were confused and were still obsessed over the cartoonish, unrealistic slop that preceded it.
Specifically the Cannes Cut, not the butchered theatrical version.
i think you might be the only person who has seen that
The problem with this movie and a lot of late stage New Hollywood stuff (Altman included) is that the movies tend to be too long and meandering.
It's obvious what they're attempting to do, but the end result is just too shmaltzy and pretentious.
And at the time they could command large budgets with little oversight, so it's extremely self-indulgent and half of the shit should've been left on the cutting room floor.
Don't forget the awful look of movies during that era, the new cameras they started using at the end of the 60s were terrible. New Hollywood movies, generally speaking, are flat and washed out looking. There are exceptions but most American films from that period were butt ugly
Waterworld Ulysses Cut
John Carter
Both are mediocre at best
This had a pretty good opening but I got bored and shut it off when it started meandering