I've noticed a trend in modern cartoons where the dad is often.. emasculated? I know this sounds like schizo-speak but in Amphibia, Steven Universe and recently Molly McGee, the father (Not Hop Pop, Mr. Boonchuy) is the clear submissive in the relatonship. Why is this the case? Molly Mcgee's father looks like what you'd imagine a basedboy to look like.
Almost every male in animation the last ten years is emasculated
Try 20.
try 30
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>t. Femoid
lol
Seriously what the frick is his problem?
Zoomers with no frame of reference brain poisoned by /misc/shit
kys yourselves
is the /misc/ in the room with us right now?
Most married men I know nowadays have less education and make less money than their wives, so they really aren't in charge
In Molly McGee's case at least he's the one with a stable job, while Sharon has to scrap together freelance gig economy bucks
more like the mom is a god chef that refuses to cook
I've honestly always felt the dumb dad trope to be a odd one. Maybe because me own father was very intelligent and capable. Also all my friends dad all had good jobs, always fixed stuff around the house, one of my friends dad even built a boat from scratch, where they lived in, which honestly was the coolest shit ever.
It's an outdated subversion. There were decades of the wise patriarch of the family, father knows best, so to turn them into doofuses was genuinely funny and surprising.
Thing is that it's the standard now, so having it happen isn't interesting or clever. I'd be more surprised of they had a competent father there.
try american dad.
People just hate the concept of good fathers is all
Which is so bizzare to me. You can make a father goofy but he's still a good dad and his family respects him. I rewatched jimmy neutron recently and I was so used to how modern cartoon fathers are treated, the way Hugh had respect from his family despite being a pie-loving cornball legit threw me off and distracted me
>You can make a father goofy but he's still a good dad and his family respects him.
That is literally what OP's pic is. The stupid useless father is actually grossly exaggerated by a lot of anons who, ironically, seem to have daddy issues.
I don't know what it is about him. I can see why people call him a basedboy and at the same time I can't. He's like, perfectly centered on the scale.
Blame the inconsistent writing. In earlier episodes he was perfectly competent despite some goofy moments. In later episodes (oddly when written by female writers) he gets a bad case of flanderization, with the latest episodes being the worst examples.
Hugh doesn't have respect from his family, he just gives Judy the good dick
I don't know why we're acting like they're stricken from cartoons, pic related is also a massive goof and is still loved and respected by his whole family. Other modern beloved dads include
>Professor Venomous (to Fink lmao)
>Greg Universe
>Bandit Heeler
>whatever the grandpa's name from kid cosmic was
Not every cartoon dad is Robert Watterson, there is absolutely a sliding scale.
Richard Watterson but yeah, I was making this exact point earlier. Hell the examples OP listed fit this criteria too. If you feel emasculated by these characters, that sounds like a serious personal problem.
Right, Richard, I haven't slept. I ate 2 year old ramen and I'm fricked up, brother.
>If you feel emasculated by these characters, that sounds like a serious personal problem.
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Please chop your dick off and hand it to us. You clearly don’t care about being male.
>if you dont like these cartoon character youre no longer your gender anymore
the state of humanity is in jeopardy if cartoons control your life
lol, op wants a bunch of dicks in his hands
Forgot pic related. I don't think Cinemaphile watches cartoons. Mao Mao's dad is also a gigachad (kind of) but he's more of an antagonistic type.
>I don't think Cinemaphile watches cartoons.
You're just barely figuring that out?
I'm pretty sure industrycuck judges father characters entirely on surface level appearance. If he thinks they look lame, they have to be lame. No nuance allowed. Just look how so many people still assume Greg Universe is the "dumb useless deadbeat dad" - its a dead giveaway they never watched the show.
> If he thinks they look lame, they have to be lame
Most of the time this is correct
I love Greg
Yeah, again, remember his model "bad father" is James Possible, who is absolutely not the goofy loser dad trope but instead the head in the clouds egghead trope with a dash of, "Is fine with his kid's ridiculously dangerous lifestlye as long as she does normal teen things like calling before infiltrating a dictator's armed compound."
Totally different archetypes who are good for totally different jokes.
Not industrycuck, but
>Professor Venomous
>good dad
>respectable
kek
>(to Fink lmao)
Nah, not even that.
It was a bait and switch, in S3 it was revealed that he was a shitty father to Fink too, in numerous ways. He neglected her, and like any stereotypical rich butthole parent, he was trying to buy her love with gifts, and his split personality was straight up abusive to her. It's also possible that she's a result of his experiments, or she's his literal lab rat, it was hinted that her origin story is dark.
>Greg Universe
Nope. I don't know where that meme where he's a chad and a great dad came from, he always came off as a sad sack to me, and the final season confirms that he failed as a father.
>whatever the grandpa's name from kid cosmic was
Not a real father, and he's like the embodiment of soi. A literal old crazy hippie who was too irresponsible and soft to protect his grandson from harsh truths (among others), so the resident black girlboss had to step in and talk some sense into him, twice.
>Nope. I don't know where that meme where he's a chad and a great dad came from, he always came off as a sad sack to me, and the final season confirms that he failed as a father.
This! SU gays got so BTFO when they saw what happened to their previous chad. It was based.
Why do Cinemaphile cucks insist on there being good fathers in animation? Why do they insist on an industry cuck.
>whatever the grandpa's name from kid cosmic was
>Not a real father, and he's like the embodiment of soi.
You might not be industrycuck, but you're still just as moronic. Modern politics has WARPED you
Greg is still a frick up anon as are the other two. Face it, animation does not allow for good fathers.
>Modern politics
Don't care about them, just stating the truth. He wasn't Kid's biological father and he barely did any parenting (unprompted.) He was too lenient and allowed Kid do whatever the hell he wanted, including bothering the neighbors and getting in harm's way, and at the same time he was also overprotective when it came to shielding Kid from cruel facts, which backfired every time and ended up hurting Kid more.
Meanwhile the black Mary Sue got everything done. Craig is a hack.
>final season confirms that he failed as a father.
Final Season was a Trashfire. Nothing good comes from it.
Future was based
PV was only ever bad to Fink due to Shadowy's influence, and the latter end of OK KO was marred by the fact that the show was cancelled early and they had to wrap up the entire PV plotline, something that was clearly meant to be drawn out further, in like 10 episodes.
The end of S3 doesn't just undo all of the prior scenes in the series of PV very clearly being a good and devoted dad to his daughter and stepkids. We've had multiple episodes with PV being completely devoted to Fink, it's shown in the intro, its shown through the series, it's shown in the epilogue, a lapse of character does not make it a bait and switch.
> He neglected her
She's literally by him at all times, he consults her on anything, texts her all the time, takes her out for walks and treats, etc. Any neglect is due to the Shadowy taking over, and its established PV isn't aware of Shadowy until the end of the series. Frick, when the President of the Universe grants everyone their wish, PV has Fink WITH him on their toy planet. You could argue he's abusive to Boxman before you can make a convincing argument about him not being a good dad to Fink.
> he was trying to buy her love with gifts
He gets her gifts because she gives him puppydog eyes and he can't say no to her.
>It's also possible that she's a result of his experiments
Her backstory is "top secret" but from what we do know, she lived in a literal pile of trash until PV took her in.
>he always came off as a sad sack to me
How? He literally built his child a home while he lived in his van. Was he horribly ill equipped for raising an ayy lmao hybrid? Yeah. Does that make him a bad parent? Frick no, Steven is constantly looking to his dad for advice and inspiration and Greg responds in kind.
>and the final season confirms that he failed as a father
No, it shows he's a flawed father. He was cut off by his own parents and tried to do better for his son, it wasn't the best solution but its still a far cry from being a failed father.
>PV was only ever bad to Fink due to Shadowy's influence
Counterpoint: PV IS Shadowy.
Even if you treat them as separate entities, PV still fused with Shadowy willingly, creating Shadowy Venomous, therefore he's responsible for Shadowy's actions in this merged form. Shadowy Venomous abandoned Fink for his biological son (whom he hated and was planning to use anyway) and then allowed her to sacrifice herself for him. He's a shitty parent.
>She's literally by him at all times
Well, she was his minion, staying by his side to the bitter end was her literal job. I don't think PV allowed himself to see her (and boxbots) as his child. Sure, he doted on her (until he didn't), but he never called her his daughter and she never addressed him as 'dad' unlike the boxbots with Boxman. At first I thought it's because of Fink's (retconned?) crush on PV, but the Voxmore episode shows that PV is also all business-like with his family.
>it's shown in the intro
???
>He gets her gifts because she gives him puppydog eyes and he can't say no to her.
So you're gonna ignore the ending to "KO vs Fink"? She gives PV puppydog eyes because she wants his LOVE AND ATTENTION, she doesn't care much about the gifts. She wanted to make cupcakes with PV because she was jealous that KO's loving mom made him one, she was envious of their parent-child bond. It didn't even look like she asked for all this junk.
So, what did Venomous do? He kept neglecting her emotionally, and then he straight-up abandoned her and replaced her with KO, allowed him to wreck their house and her step-siblings too. Cool.
>Her backstory is "top secret" but from what we do know, she lived in a literal pile of trash until PV took her in.
Yes, and she used to be PINK. Now she's GREEN, like the majority of PV's experiments and 'upgrades' he gave his 'step-kids'. Why do you think is that?
>How? He literally built his child a home while he lived in his van.
Just his general vibe, and the broken leg incident.
>PV IS Shadowy.
They're different people until they merge. PV is still negatively affected by SF's actions which leads to him neglecting Fink, but not only is it not voluntary, PV giving Fink presents in this scenario should be seen as proof he actually does give a frick about her but is unable to care for her the way she needs because he has an alter ego demon using is body.
PV giving into SF and becoming SV is due to his shortcomings as a person and his insane inferiority complex, PV is NOT a good person but he's also NOT a shitty parent to Fink.
>So you're gonna ignore the ending to "KO vs Fink"?
Are YOU going to ignore episodes like Villains Night Out/In, All in the Villainy, Boxman Crashes, etc? Why was PV neglecting Fink? Because Shadowy was gaining more and more influence over him by the end of season 3, culminating in the finale of the series. That's not PV's normal state of being, nor should it undo the 2 entire seasons of PV being a dad to Fink.
>Well, she was his minion, staying by his side to the bitter end was her literal job
But their relationship goes much deeper than boss/minion, there's no actual benefit to PV doing the things he does for Fink if it was JUST a boss/lackey situation. What does he gain by having Fink learn piano, taking her on walks or hiring babysitters for her? If you want to see a neglectful parent, look at how Boxman treats his robots in the early seasons, PV is a very stark contrast to this and its highlights in episodes like Villain's Night In.
>but he never called her his daughter
He doesn't need to, his actions speak way louder than him going "youre my daughteru", not to mention PV and Boxman are very clearly framed as a family when they take Boxmore back in season 2, and the whole joke is them referring to two people with kids moving in together as a company merger right down to couple's counselling. Go rewatch the episode.
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>They're different people until they merge.
PV is basically just a dude with a split personality aka mental illness. When a real person has a mental illness that makes them abuse/neglect their kid, the whole person is called evil and a shit parent, not just their mental illness.
>episodes like Villains Night Out/In
The episodes where PV was supposed to take Fink with him to a villain party, but he went with Boxman instead and left Fink with Boxman's kids? And it's stated that he routinely leaves her with various babysitters?
>Boxman Crashes
The episode where PV refuses to take Fink with him for a ride in his convertible so she's left at home alone, and he spends the majority of it working, moping, and paying attention to Boxman?
>All in the Villainy
Episode where PV bribes Fink with gifts when she misbehaves?
>That's not PV's normal state of being
He doesn't normally cook for her though, because he can't cook so he just orders fancy takeout like your typical neglectful rich parent trope (confirmed by the creator.) Leaving Fink to her own devices, placating her with gifts and not giving her as much attention as she wants all seem to be perfectly in-character for him.
>But their relationship goes much deeper than boss/minion
That's why I said that he doesn't ALLOW himself to think of her as his daughter. He acted fatherly to Fink and boxbots, but I don't think he fully realized it himself.
Even as Laserblast, he seemed too mentally unstable to be a dad, and then he ended up with truckloads of baggage from his accident and getting 'betrayed' by the mother of his child. Just look at how he treated his biological son, he even told Carol after their fight that he felt unworthy to be a father.
>When a real person
PV is not a real person.
> but he went with Boxman instead and left Fink with Boxman's kids?
Are you trying to say this is indicative of some kind of abuse? PV was trying to give Boxman a chance and he later apologized to Fink in the same episode for it.
>And it's stated that he routinely leaves her with various babysitters?
Yes, almost like a parent does for their child. Carol also leaves KO with babysitter too, is she neglectful?
>The episode where PV refuses to take Fink with him for a ride in his convertible
And also the same episode where he accepts Boxman entirely due to him making something for Fink? As well as having the cute scene where he tell Fink to work on her piano playing and levels with Fink about Boxman? You're not making a good argument here, these are normal dad things.
>Episode where PV bribes Fink with gifts when she misbehaves?
Because he's a huge softie to his daughter? Yes.
> because he can't cook so he just orders fancy takeout like your typical neglectful rich parent trope
Yeah how neglectful, feeding your kid fancy take out. Also what does this have to do with anything? You're trying to argue that PV is neglectful to Fink when in reality you're just describing a strange but well meaning single dad. Every episode where you try to argue PV neglects Fink has a very intentional scene of him being a father to her, like
where he picks her up and coddles her like a baby.
Again, compare how PV treats Fink with how Boxman treats his robots. Boxman routinely shuts down his kids' attempts at connecting with him, punishes them heavily, pits them against each other, and is generally harsh and domineering until the latter half of the series. Meanwhile PV is something of a stern parent due to his personality but is still heavily involved with Fink, listens to her complaints and takes interest in whatever she's doing.
Villain's Night In perfectly encapsulates the differences in their parenting.
>Are you trying to say this is indicative of some kind of abuse?
No, I'm saying that they're not as joined at the hip as you made it sound in your earlier post(s), and his behavior under Shadowy's influence is not that far removed from his regular behavior, which comes with its set of implications. Moreover, Venomous fits the "distant rich father" trope, and these types of characters are not known for being great parents. You don't have to be abusive per se to be a shit dad, and shitty cartoon dads is what this entire thread seems to be about.
>Carol also leaves KO with babysitter too, is she neglectful?
She kinda is. It's not about the babysitter though, and I reaaaaally doubt these things were meant to be like a character trait or whatever, because the show always portrayed Carol as a model mother and basically an angel, but I think the bulk of her son's mental issues was caused by the fact that she refused to tell him who his father was, apparently for no real reason.
She was pretty careless in general, she allowed him to hang out with her demonic ex, and look at how that turned out. It really stuck out to me how KO's older brother and sister figure were worried about him and kept texting him throughout the episode where he finally snaps and goes perma-turbo mode because of his father's manipulation, but there wasn't a single text or phone call from his actual mother. There are also episodes where KO disappears for days on end questing with random creepy adults.
>the same episode where he accepts Boxman entirely due to him making something for Fink
Was it really about Fink though? Or maybe about the fact that Boxman gave him an excuse to spy on and bully KO?
>Because he's a huge softie to his daughter? Yes.
Because he's bad at dealing with children and his own emotions? Also yes.
>Also what does this have to do with anything?
Homemade food is a symbol of harmonious family and parental love, that's why Fink was so salty about KO getting a cupcake from his mom and wanted to bake some cupcakes with PV (but was rejected). In this context, the fact that PV can't even cook carries implications about his personality and their home life.
>where he picks her up and coddles her like a baby
You can do the same thing with a kitten or a puppy. It doesn't mean he thought of her as his daughter.
>Boxman
This is not about him. Everybody agrees that Boxman is a shitty dad, he and PV are just shitty in different ways. PV is ultimately worse than Boxman though, because as horrible as Boxman is, he never treated any of his children as badly as PV treated KO or went full mental breakdown sadist mode on them, and the majority of Boxman's children are not even technically alive. Boxman was even nice to and took care of Fink (whom he always disliked) when PV went turbo.
>Meanwhile PV is something of a stern parent
lol no.
>Villain's Night In perfectly encapsulates the differences in their parenting
before PV turned out to be a psycho, yes.
>Fink loves PV and hates Shadowy because he took her dad from her, which is the entire reason why she helped Rad and Enid in the Pow Card tourney, and, unlike you, she understands there's an actual difference between her dad and the guy in his body.
They are one and the same... Shadowy is PV's TKO, the deepest, darkest part of his psyche (or at least he should be, for the sake of thematic cohesion.)
Also, what you typed out sounds a lot like a childish understanding of mental illness and also drug/alcohol addiction, which fits Shadowy to a tee because he's literally a crazy person addicted to glorbs, and a glorb dealer lol
>Leaving Fink to her own devices, placating her with gifts
Only during the end of the series where SF has more control over him. Fink loves PV and hates Shadowy because he took her dad from her, which is the entire reason why she helped Rad and Enid in the Pow Card tourney, and, unlike you, she understands there's an actual difference between her dad and the guy in his body.
>He acted fatherly to Fink and boxbots, but I don't think he fully realized it himself
Then you aren't paying attention, straight up. How far does PV need to go for you to get he sees Fink like a daughter?
>Just look at how he treated his biological son
How he treats KO should be the final nail in the coffin for this discussion. There was an entire episode dedicated to him putting KO through phycological trauma for kicks, show me the episode where he puts Fink in some torture chamber just to see her cry.
>Even as Laserblast, he seemed too mentally unstable to be a dad
Yes, PV's inferiority complex haunts him all the way until the end of the series, leading to the creation of SV in the first place, but that doesn't mean he himself hasn't changed in his transition from Hero to Villain and PV's relationships with Fink and Boxman are proof of this. PV wasn't happy as a hero, and he wasn't happy as a cigar twirling super villain, he found his happiness making up wacky schemes with Boxman and taking his daughter and new stepkids out for lunch, that's his character arc.
>Something to do when he's away.
She already had video games, why would he promote piano over vidya? Almost like he cares about her upbringing like a parent.
>on a leash, kind of like
an energetic child. Kid leashes exist irl too.
>because he's away
With his job, yes, but he still brings Fink with him when he can, like in her intro episode.
>It's all business-like.
Because they're literally running a business in this scenario, and again, the whole episode is playing with the relationship/company dynamic.
>show me the episode where he puts Fink in some torture chamber just to see her cry.
PV genuinely hated KO, I think, but he probably also tortured him because he wanted to unlock his power and steal it for himself.
He had no reasons to hate/torture Fink. He discarded her though when he found a better minion (TKO), hence, shit dad. Also he bullied and blackmailed her as Shadowy.
>that's his character arc
Was it? He was quite obviously studying turbonic energy and dropping hints about TKO, I think he had some bigger plans. Then he got eviler, almost destroyed the world, and he also seemed perfecty happy to leave Boxman behind, them getting back together some years later was an afterthought.
>Because they're literally running a business in this scenario, and again, the whole episode is playing with the relationship/company dynamic.
That's not it. It's only PV who's all business-like. For example, pic related is from that episode. See the mug? [#1 Dad]
Fink always called PV 'boss', and thought that boxbots were weird to call their boss 'dad'. That was a thing since day one.
I also recall a scene from 'Boxman Crashes' where she was weirded out when Boxman's pulled out a creepy framed baby pic of Darrell and put it on the mantle. Were there any pics of Fink around? Nope. Just pop art-esque portraits of PV on the wall.
>PV is Fink's guardian/caretaker/whatever
No, he's her 'b o s s'. That's what she calls him, and she calls herself his minion. This showcases the distance between them, so no, it's not just semantics, it's actually kind of important.
>What does he gain by having Fink learn piano
Something to do when he's away.
>taking her on walks
on a leash, kind of like a...pet?
>or hiring babysitters for her
because he's away.
>Go rewatch the episode.
You go rewatch it and pay attention to the language PV uses to refer to his family. It's all business-like.
Boxman is a shit dad but he never acted this way, the fact remains that he does consider boxbots to be his kids, and boxbots do think of Boxman as their dad and PV as their new dad and they are verbal about it, while PV keeps his emotional distance from Fink and the step-children. In turn, Fink believes it's ridiculous that boxbots call their boss 'dad', even though she clearly craves parental attention from her boss herself.
>how would she know Glorbs could be used as a viable powerup unless PV gave them to her, for example?
Yeah, it's stated in the show that PV gave her the glorb collar and he made it. Then he gave her the glorb-powered backpack.
>Is Garnet a shit parent because she gave Steven Future Vision? Is Pearl an awful caretaker because of her numerous frickups over the series?
Yes, they're all horrible parental figures, some more than others. I mean, Pearl wanted to poof Steven when he was a baby to bring Rose back, and did all that other crazy shit and is neurotic af, she's a terrible mother/aunt/whatever.
Steven should have killed all the adults in his life.
>Boxman is a shit dad
WAS a shit dad, he actively worked to be better to his children by the end of the series and supports them fully in the finale.
Your obsession with PV not using the word father/daughter is also semantics. PV is Fink's guardian/caretaker/whatever. Even if they never define it as "father", that doesn't make it any less true that he fills that role in Fink's life. He's so filthy rich and evil that he can easily afford a nanny or as many orphaned animal children as he wants, and yet despite the situation, be it whether he's going to a villain dinner, on some video conference call, or just going out doing random stuff, Fink is always with him. The entire reason Fink is so upset and hurt when Shadowy enters the picture more is because she now can't be with Venomous the way she used to be.
If PV was ALWAYS neglectful, ALWAYS abusive, there would be no reason for Fink to hate Shadowy and help Rad and Enid, because then the neglect is just changing its name, but the reality is that's not the case, PV is heavily involved in Fink's life and losing that is enough to get Fink to side with her series long enemies just to get him back.
You seem to be operating under this impression that characters are static and can't change, and their mistakes should define them for the rest of the story they're in, but in both SU and OK KO that's just not the case. Yes, Pearl and Garnet and Greg were all frickups who didn't know what they were doing initially, but they all learned from their mistakes and became better people and better parents for it.
I just don't get how you can look at something like pic related and walk away going "hm yeah he totally neglects her," like, do you think PV and Boxman also aren't in a relationship by the end of the series? It reads less about someone missing very obvious queues from the show and more like deliberately misinterpreting them for some reason. Professor Venomous is an evil person but a good father to his adopted lab rat turned daughter.
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>>Yes, and she used to be PINK. Now she's GREEN, like the majority of PV's experiments and 'upgrades' he gave his 'step-kids'. Why do you think is that?
The latter half of season 3 was entirely devoted to wrapping up the PV being KO's dad plotline and resolving SF/SV/TKO all at once, Fink moreso than any other character, got absolutely fricked over by the show getting cancelled to the point where we know nothing about how Fink and PV actually met, nor what happened to her initially to make her green.
I absolutely do think PV, being an evil motherfricker, used Fink as an actual lab rat, how would she know Glorbs could be used as a viable powerup unless PV gave them to her, for example? However the fact is we have zero real info on this and can really only speculate, but from what we DO know, Fink went from being an actual dumpster baby sleeping on trash backs to a pampered rich kid who grew up to be an e-sports pro, regardless of how PV treated Fink at the start of their relationship, he very much adopted her by the time she was introduced, otherwise, again, there'd be no point to doting on her to the extent that he does.
>>Just his general vibe, and the broken leg incident.
Greg's "general vibe" and character design betray what an actual good dad he really is, given his insane circumstances. Him making a frickup with the leg incident doesn't instantly make him a shit parent, it makes him a human character with flaws who makes mistakes, but then literally everyone in the show fricks up in regards to Steven.
Is Garnet a shit parent because she gave Steven Future Vision? Is Pearl an awful caretaker because of her numerous frickups over the series? Is one mistake on Greg's (and PV's) part enough to undo all the good they've done and try to do? You can't use the leg incident as the basis to judge Greg's entire character, because it ignores everything else Greg had done for Steven over the show, just like you can't use SV to say PV is bad to Fink.
Aaauhg, look how neglectful this guy is to her! What a shit dad, bros.
I wonder why ~~*they*~~ would do this. Seriously audiences don't actually respond positively to weak and emasculated men this was done deliberately and ideologically it's been happening since Archie. Coastal intellectuals are just bitter about the masculinity they'll never have so they sour-grapes it like they do everything else. I hate them so much.
Black fathers are the only fathers in media allowed to be anything resembling a patriarch, the reason for this is very simple and obvious and I shouldn't have to explain it.
>Black fathers are the only fathers in media allowed to be anything resembling a patriarch, the reason for this is very simple and obvious and I shouldn't have to explain it.
Oscar Proud exists. No man is allowed to be a chad anymore. Why do we hate masculinity.
Just say israelites dude. Speaking in code is cringe.
meds
a serious dad isn't really funny
so you either have to deal with stupid dad or a nervous dad
most problems in cartoons are so stupid that a serious man could solve it pretty instantly so having a strong male leader available in a COMEDY wouldn't be good
Then stop making comedy. Pure and simple
you could have comedies that aren't reliant on being a family sitcom.
That would still involve chads having to make a fool of themselves for comedic factor. No thanks.
Goofy dads can still be assertive though.
If they were assertive, they wouldn't be goofy now would they?
This is a joke right? You never met a joker who could get hostile in a split second?
They have no involved parents or friends, anon
Paper tigers aren't alphas anon.
I never said anything about alpha I simply said assertive.
See that may all be true in the real world but for kids cartoons it's different.
Dumb parents are a staple in kids' animation because for the target audience, either a.) Kids either think they're king shit of frick mountain and their parents are dumb so isn't it fun to laugh at them, or b.) they think their parents are okay but then are able to derive laughs because the show subverts how they expect real parents to be (competent) and makes them dumb.
Either way the joke works. If you're expecting some deep reflection on parenthood then maybe you shouldn't be watching kids cartoons.
>Most married men I know nowadays have less education and make less money than their wives, so they really aren't in charge
Women -as always- are the origin of all evils in this planet.
>Molly Mcgee's father looks like what you'd imagine a basedboy to look like.
Go outside, anon. The internet is warping your perception of people.
No no, OP has a point
Look at the men who work on the shows. They’re intimidated by masculinity and couldn’t depict it accurately if they tried. The women meanwhile are outright hostile towards masculinity, which is why masculine traits are only allowed for villains.
Ain’t that the truth
>The women meanwhile are outright hostile towards masculinity, which is why masculine traits are only allowed for villains.
Yet, they still get wet by that shit. Who the frick gets them?
Ding Ding Ding
We have a winner and you didn't even have to mention who ~~*funds*~~ and ~~*writes*~~ this shit.
Most of the people that post on this board and genuinely believe they’d be animation’s saving grace look just as bad as the stereotypical leftist basedboy if not much much worse. You all think you’re the epitome of a red blooded American male but have receding hairlines and a body with which if you ran a mile would probably go intro cardiac arrest.
>t. Roastie
I’m a cis gendered male with a 9.5 inch wiener. Sorry to disappoint, m8. Maybe you should consider joining a gym or making friends instead of seething over the liberal israeli boogeymen controlling American animation that you’ve created in your head.
>I’m a cis gendered male with a 9.5 inch wiener
LIAR! Go read you BL novels.
>Most of the people that post on this board and genuinely believe they’d be animation’s saving grace look just as bad as the stereotypical leftist basedboy if not much much worse. You all think you’re the epitome of a red blooded American male but have receding hairlines and a body with which if you ran a mile would probably go intro cardiac arrest.
Nice b8,troony. Now here is some reality. No on is claiming to be animation's saving grace. Or comic book's saving grace either. We know that the industry's shit is completely unsustainable trash that even I wouldn't watch or read while high on Valium. Hell even the norms are noticing the gay shit that is forced into media now. The point is that people are noticing more on how awful this trend is. I noticed the bumbling dad trend back in the 80's and 90's and it is shit. But now instead of bumbling dad it is now sissy dad. And like I said earlier about Rebecca Sugar and Noelle Stevenson, they want to just make men around their Fujoshi fantasy. Like Common Filth said in his old videos "Your daughter rather see you get fricked in the ass, than be proud of having you for a father". Or something like that.
Morale of the story: Shut the frick up 42%-er, make more masculine stories that inspire people to be better, not girly trash.
>make more masculine stories that inspire people to be better
Even if people tried that you'd still b***h.
Have they? How long has it been since Primal came out? How bout the many memes between DMC V and Metal Gear Rising? Or the acclamation for Berserk? It works, they just want to make feminine males, and "Masculine" female heroes.
>Or the acclamation for Berserk?
Berserk isn't a recent series you moron.
Berserk is still an ongoing series despite the passing of the author.
Invincible, Primal, Onyx Equinox, Castlevania, Dota: Dragon's Blood, Blood of Zeus all exist, you'd just rather b***h about how "feminine" males offend you. Shit I think more people b***hed about Jon being bi than they ever paid attention to Superdad.
Molly's dad isnt feminine though hes just docile like most married white men though according to Sharon he was wild before she chained him down.
>But now instead of bumbling dad it is now sissy dad.
The dads aren't all that sissy, people are literally just judging a book by its cover.
>We know that the industry's shit is completely unsustainable trash that even I wouldn't watch or read while high on Valium.
So why are you on a board dedicated to two mediums you hate?
I have taken time off of work due to anxiety. And with that time off , I have been thinking. It made me realize that instead of complaining about the products, that I should just create what I like. And I know I will not be the savior of the comics or animation industry, at least I can create somewhat of an alternative for the homosexual garbage shit that is out right now. Pretty much, If you don't like McDonald's, make your own damn hamburgers instead.
Yes you're in this very thread b***hing about "homosexual media" rather than progressing on your own work. Just like every other schmuck on this board.
I already have stories and concepts already set-up. I have to actually start writing the scripts and doing concepts.
Now I reflect the question back to you: What are you doing?
I'm just enjoying myself and not getting offended at every thing that doesn't conform to my world view.
I want to believe in your project but I've heard from too many idea men to have 100% faith.
>I want to believe in your project but I've heard from too many idea men to have 100% faith.
I never asked for you to believe in me. I am still gonna do what I can do and do what I love.
This anon is never going to do it. They will just jerk themselves off and let the ideas roll around in their head. This is coming from an editgay who hasn't done that in months and I am leagues ahead of where this anon will ever be since I at least did edits that lead to a couple fapping sessions somewhere.
Story as old as time really.
I've already done some stuff. But for other people. But know, I am going to do something for myself. And I really don't care if you believe me or not. I am doing this for myself.
>i totes did stuff guise
Yeah i am sure those notes you have buried in a file folder next to your image macros are going to come in handy sometime.
> at least I can create somewhat of an alternative for the homosexual garbage shit that is out right now.
I have no doubt that your alternative will be just as shit as the homosexual garbage media out right now.
Maybe. But at least I know that I did the best that I did. Let me say this: If the writers who wrote Obi-Won-Kenobi can get a job with that horrible script, anybody can write. And possibly do better.
>I have taken time off of work due to anxiety.
Lmao homosexual
You don't have a job do you?
homie anxiety is a fricking meme disease. Imagine getting off work because "ugh my anxiety".
>homie anxiety is a fricking meme disease.
How's summer vacation?
Lol I'm 22. You're the equivalent of tumblr b***hes who get anxiety over everything.
>Lol I'm 22
No you're not.
Also
>LOL
Where the frick do you think you are on? Twitter?
You do realize lol predates twitter as a website right? Lol and lmao have been used here for years you stupid motherfricker.
Both of you are moronic. This thread is gonna get 404d in the next couple of hours and here you are arguing over stupid shit.
It's kinda fun arguing with the summergays.
It's literally just summergays arguing with other summergays
COPE
I accept your concession.
>Where the frick do you think you are on? Twitter?
And the newbie shows his colors.
>newbie shows his colors
Remember when Cinemaphile had pron on this board?
>had
Anon…
This is not your personal diary. Unless you're willing to put up or shut up, no one cares.
You asked me a question, and I answered them. What more do you want?
Also he never responded to this
He claims he hates how feminine everything is and how he's going to make his own work yet there's already works that cater to him.
I stopped when you said Castlevania.
>being this moronic
Imagine throwing out a whole recommendation because you didn't like one thing.
I don't respond to stuff I have already said or read like Invincibles or Primal. And most of it is just normie shit.
Also you could of said Baki, or Last Man.
>Baki
That's anime not Cinemaphile. Also you just said you wanted masculine stuff, you don't get to move the goal posts about normie shit.
How the frick is Onyx Equinox normie shit?
>Onyx Equinox
>Crunchyroll
Frick off.
Baki is on Netflix and Last Man is on Hulu. Pick a better argument
>not girly trash.
How does one define girly trash? Are shows Kim Possible considered trash because it has a female audience? Is Powerpuff Girls trash but it has fairly aesthetic.
Powerpuff never made the men look moronic. Hell they took on a feminist super villain. When I talk about girly trash I am talking about SHe-Ra or the new He-Man that doesn't included He Man in the majority of the series.
Again, I refer back to Kim Possible where the main male protagonist was a major goof. Or in WITCH where the male characters were bit players. Girly trash is a really slippery slope if you think about it.
I can't tell if this is an industrycuck thread, but I'll respond anyway.
People tend to use group a to make group b look better by comparison. This happens in a multitude of areas not just men and women. This "trend" has been around for decades, think the bumbling dad trope like you mention. You're noticing an increase now because you're paying attention harder now. It's been around and will continue to be around. Not saying that as a good thing, that's just how it is.
Also, characters like Bill Green or Bob Belcher aren't like this and while they can be stupid, that's more for comedy and their family obviously has some level of respect for them. So it's not in EVERYTHING, you just see it more often.
I cut my post off before I finished.
If it was industrycuck, he'd be replying to himself and b***hing that a white man is married to an asian woman.
Thank you for this great answer
I think it's supposed to contrast with how dads were the opposite in older cartoons.
Besides, there literally was an episode where Molly's dad was emasculated by his cousins and he learns how to stick up for himself
Greg wasn't emasculated, he was a pussyslayer local rockstar.
Because it makes for a funny dynamic but if they made the wife act like that twitter would cancel and dox everyone remotely involved
Not unless you made her, REALLY REALLY hot and a shy uwu baby
Quit projecting
Idk, your pic looks like a pretty standard dad to me.
The dad in Steven Universe was like the wisest person in the whole show
up until that episode about not letting steven see his grand parents
He tried to reach out to them and they cut him off.
Steven was such a prick in that episode. I get you didn't have a normal childhood, but how is it that you can't show empathy for your own father when he talks about what he didn't like in his childhood. It's not like he was trying to take anything away from you, he just felt the way he did
Terrible episode in a terrible season.
Honestly, he was a bit of a shithead. He did his best, but made some pretty fricked up mistakes and let the gems get away with far too much shit.
I hate Grey from Steven Universe because it's clear Rebecca Sugar based it on her dad and Sugar made Steven Universe so clearly he is a failure if a father
This, sometimes he failed to understand Steven's perspective but 99.9% of the time he was right
>hasn't watched big city greens
Bill Green is a cuck too
and? parents in animation are always depicted as moronic, look at every animated sitcom ever
I think it's just that pwople who make these cartoons have more artistic liberties, so they use people from themselves and their lives as basis for their characters. Usually they have fathers like this
Cartoons are made in California, and this is what men are like in California. They're just writing what they know.
would you rather he be dumb useless lump like peter griffith?
most men these days frickable enough to get married , have married women with jobs. you could be one if you bathed more often and didnt take life advice from chinese basket weaving forums
>would you rather he be dumb useless lump like peter griffith?
Unironically yes. At least Peter was a chad.
This thread again
I think it's supposed to be funny.
it's because these shows are comedies and the dads have to be funny
But they aren’t funny. They’re sad and pathetic. Why can’t we have chads for dads?
how would you make a Chad dad funny?
this dad isn't really a character in this show
Why does a chad dad need to be funny? A chad would never make fun of himself.
exactly
This is why I hate comedy; it's poison for chads.
a lot of cartoons that aren't comedies usually have a strong male figure
Not really. Just like in anime, all father figures are dead or absent or useless to make the protagonists look that much better, especially if they're female. Looking at you Avatar/Korra.
>recent
Seriously this has been a thing since the 2000s and the 90s, especially with Disney. Just once I wish these incels actually had good dads.
My dude why are you fixated on a slightly distracted rocket scientist who's greatest failing is tossing the boy questions to his wife.
A goofy loser is still a goofy loser despite swapping the labels. Also what kind of parent let’s their kid fight crime?
>forgetting all the times he let his daughter go on life threatening missions
Plus letting his wife do all the parenting is still pretty sad and pathetic.
Because these people dont have healthy relationships with there father
Almost everyone who makes comics does or did not have a strong, positive father figure. That's why they make cartoons.
/thread
This is how a man should be
Pete Mcgee is a submissive and that's based
You just noticed this now? Well better late than never.
This is the results of getting all of your entertainment made from one source. All the animators and writers are cut from the same cloth, went to the same schools and keep to the same social bubbles. There are very few outsiders making things in mainstream western media these days however it’s not due to lack of effort. One day you will see a duel entertainment media cluster that runs parallel with Hollywood and then you will see real diversity in trends, personality and values.
Two more weeks!
Real men and especially fathers can be scary to children who often use cartoons to escape from reality.
That makes sense.
His father was abusive, that doesn´t mean all good fathers act like that or act like fricking cucks.
That line is pretty blurry since every one have there own definition of abuse.
> The fricked up thing is, John K based this character off his own dad. Then when he showed him this episode, his dad turned to him and told him he hated it. He expected it was because of the tantrums he had him throw, but no - it was because of the scene where he hugs Anthony. "I have NEVER hugged you!!!"
Isn't he also voiced by the same guy who uses his normal nasally voice for Archer/BobBurger/CoachMcgurk, and is a soi cuck libtard with TDS?
Not even close, no.
incel thread
w*man post
Something about new masculinities. Don´t give them attention and silently counter it.
Make chads a thing again.
This. We need more chads.
If you had your way, writing for men would be as impossible as writing for women.
Nah, just don´t be a shithead that believes only good men are those that let you get away with being a c**t.
Because let´s face it, women like nice men only because they believe they can get away with abusing them more.
>women like nice men only because they believe they can get away with abusing them more.
This is more true than anyone can imagine.
This is the real reason I hate nice guys. I try not to fall for that shit.
Good. Don´t fall for that shit, true kindness is reserved only for a few select and for the most part, superficial politeness is the best you can give someone you are starting to know.
What does that have to do with anything in this thread? None of the dads listed are abused by their wives or are terrible fathers to their kids. People are upset at them for not being "chads" whatever that's supposed to mean in this case.
>None of the dads listed are abused by their wives or are terrible fathers to their kids.
Greg was gaslight by Rose and was abused -quite harshly- by Amethyst, whom he had some encounters before and it´s pretty obvious she did it more than once.
>Amethyst
>by their wives
>wives
Also Rose did tell Greg her secret. He was just surprisingly chill about it for some reason.
Amethist is still a former lover from what is implied in that episode. She is still a woman by identification (if you believe in that bullshit).
Rose still gaslit Greg for years before having a sudden realization that lying wasn´t good.
>Amethist is still a former lover from what is implied in that episode.
Nothing ever implied that, you're just pulling shit out your ass.
>Nothing ever implied that, you're just pulling shit out your ass.
Ok, little buttler.
Greg was a walking carpet for the all female gems.
Tells you a lot about subtext and criticism.
>Because let´s face it, women like nice men only because they believe they can get away with abusing them more.
This shit is a massive red flag. If she tries to defend women accused of domestic violence or sexual missconduct (like Jada Smith or Amber Heard), fricking drop her.
I know far too many women in big cities willing to defend them. Makes me wonder if you can truly trust them at all.
After a while, you get completely sick of their shitty takes and how little of a frick they give about anything that isn´t themselves.
My ex was like that. Talking about her past open relationship, about how all her relationships end because of her (she admist its her fault at least), about her bipolar disorder... I had enough of her bullshit.
One day, I stopped giving a shit about her feelings and just left. Told her via text I was sick of her abuse and never turned back.
>open relationship
Huge fricking Red Flag right fricking there.
Women are vile creatures.
>Breadwinner for the majority of the marriage
>Sub
That's a common trope. I'm posting this guy for outrage value but any rugrats dad would do
Stu was kinda cool
>Howard
gone, but not forgotten
Was this based on John Dilworth?
Well dilworth is well known for being a beta cuck homosexual so it checks out.
I meant the physical design, it just looks like how he draws himself
What the frick is even going on this thread…
Venting. That´s what´s going on.
And what does your venting have to do with cartoons or comics? Take that shit to /LULZ/.
What does jerking off to imagined relationship have to do with cartoons?
That's half the threads. Let them have this one.
Those threads aren't good either you moron. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Two wrongs do make a trend and a trend makes a norm. And the norm is these shitty threads from people who are into the lowest bar of entry hobby imaginable
And people wonder why Cinemaphile is in such a shit state.
Cry me a fricking river, you can´t stop me.
Oooh, so edgy. Bet your high school find that impressive.
Again, you can´t stop me. I get it, you don´t like to see your gender under fire like this. But not all behaviour that criticizes you is abuse, little girl.
I'm not female, you're just so schizo that you think anyone who disagrees with you is a woman. That's also probably why your apostrophes are fricked up.
>I'm not female,
You sure act like one.
I'm not bringing up my daddy issues and relationships problems.
Because your daddy was a cuck that you didn´t respect and you never had a relationship, you literal incel.
>the incel calling other people incels
Lol, the sheer projection on display.
I frick, you literally can´t because not even prostitutes want to frick such a spineless cuck.
>still projecting
People who frick don't need to flex on a random internet board and call other people cucks
>Still being a spineless shut in.
You sound like the kind of person who screams like crazy whenever their kink is shamed.
Literally no one was even talking about kinks lol
>This is a chad according to Mollybucks
>know this sounds like schizo-speak
Nope the men making this have no fricking balls or the children of men with no balls are making these. Or its kids who grew up with daddy issues or no dad. Even manly dads like Greg from steven universe are losers.
But this is after decades of fat moronic men like Homer and Peter Griffon. Everyone (women) always just hated men.
Have you actually seen the shows OP talks about
We need men to be meek and submissive plowhorses. Unless they're part of the Chad class. All other men must be castrated.
Thomas Wayne was canonically a badass who could keep up with his son without the years of training
I thought he was a cowardly corrupt politician that gave no fricks about the poor people of Gotham?
that's from telltale games
Greg "Murderwiener" Universe killed alien royalty by sheer ejaculative force and became a millionaire without even trying
Stan Smith can put a bullet through a man's head while figuring how much KFC to pick up on his way home (usually no more than a bucket).
One can argue there are some decent dads in preschool shows.
Does pic related qualify as a good dad?
No
I mean it's not like Molly's mom is a Stacy. I don't watch the show, but I saw the designs and they literally look like an average man and an average woman. Most couples aren't supermodels.
>I mean it's not like Molly's mom is a Stacy.
She is though. She looks more attractive than her husband
She's fricking FAT! Grow some standards!
>Cooks his wife's boyfriend dinner while they have sex
What a cuck
You said this in the other thread
It's been a thing for 100 fricking years. It's men making fun of themselves for always losing arguments with their wives. The only actual chad dad in television history was Al Bundy.
This thread needs best boy as a prime example of modern masculinity.
>High paying job that he's good at and loves
>Goes above and beyond to please his girlfriend
>Still calls her out when she's being shitty, but in a constructive and understanding way
>söy face in bird form
How much sóylent does he drink a day?
This is a good indicator
>roughly $25 of sóylent a day
No wonder he failed his family and made them homeless
This meme will never be funny or accurate
What about Alador?
Yes, Odalia was the superior but he stand up against her and he is very competent, he is a genius and he is good at magic.
He’s still pretty much a cuck. He’s only slightly more masculine compared to these søy sipping pansies.
The people in this thread genuinely getting offended over dads like Pete McGee and Greg Universe are no different from land whales who get offended over seeing hot women in the media.
>Anyway the real redpill on this isn't the israelites. It's that a lot of the people in the industry right now grew up without genuine father figures. The artists of our generation are some of the most prominent products of boomer divorce and helicopter parenting. They are irreversibly damaged and couldn't depict a loving and masculine father that isn't Atticus Finch because that's not what they grew up with 0w0.
The pic in the OP was made by two 50 year old dudes that are fathers themselves. Greg Universe was based on Sugar's own dad who is very involved with her life. You're talking out your ass.
Greg Universe is the exception and Rebecca sugar is an actual israelite, but she had a good relationship with her father. A lot of Boomer dads are goofy frick ups who were soft and depressed that they lost the excitement of their youth and aren't cool anymore.
>ignoring the very first sentence in my post
Also Oscar Proud; the show was based the creator's relationship with his own daughter, obviously exaggerated because it's a comedy. Apparently men can't poke fun at themselves.
>ignores all the dads already posted ITT to schizopost some more
See
Liberals with daddy issues don't know how to write strong male role models
Men in society have been more and more emasculated over the last 20-30 years
Film at 11
This. Look at the 2000s and Disney Channel especially. These people want your balls
Its white male behavior, white males think the wife being the voice of reason is funny and not pathetic and sad, white men are natural born genetic cuckolds
I wish white men would die already. Imagine letting your b***h rule over you.
Same reason they had homosexuals propose in an episode and we have to pretend like it's not disgusting, we're being socially engineered by a hostile ethnic outgroup who wants us dead
give me a list of animated parents who aren't fricking morons.
Zero fricking percent
Hey Peter
Another astroturfed /misc/ tourist thread just “””asking questions””” with the intended purpose of red pilling an unassuming anon on a comics and cartoons board on a Korean woodworking fan site
He doesn't even try to hide it with
>I know this sounds like schizo-speak
Words of wisdom from basedtiergod
Art and media can't be separated from politics, dumbass
This. All this shit is inherently political.
This isn't even actual politics
>is the clear submissive in the relatonship. Why is this the case?
Because peeminists
Ironic that Pete and Mr. Boonchuy probably get no pussy despite being feminists
>Father is protagonist
Cartoon is made for adults, and is therefore a comedy, so the father is highly flawed to make it funnier (Homer Simpson, Fred Flintstone), while the nagging wife plays straight man and rarely gets focus
>Child is protagonist
Cartoon is made for children, and parents are nerfed so that they don't solve all the problems for the children.(Greg "Thunderwiener" Universe)
>Father is antagonist
Father is manly and powerful to make him more threatening (Ozai, Omniman)
Father FIGURES can be manly and cool heroes because it's easier for the writers to have them not be around for an episode where the kids solve an issue, which is why there are lots of cool manly uncles like Iroh or Scrooge McDuck, or Grunkle Stan, but if the dad himself is cool he's usually written out of the story like Sokka's dad or Batman's parents.
It's not an SJW conspiracy, it's just basic writing competence to not make your protagonist have an invincible dad that solves all issues for him.
And sadly this reasonable and insightful post will be ignored for more off topic /misc/ tier venting about how X minority is ruining everything.
>Father is protagonist
>Cartoon is made for adults, and is therefore a come....
WRONG! Try again!
Even in Incredibles 2 Bob became a cuck. What the frick
this again?
Beat to the punch
>250+ replies
The bait is still low brow bullshit but it manages to reel in 90 anons who don't realize they're talking to a brick wall. The worst part is mods won't do anything about it. Please if you're unfamiliar with industry cuck threads just search it on the tbh archives
The worst part is this isn't him this time, it's just a low tier pol thread that shares his opinions.
He is complaining about quitting work because "anxiety" and talking about his gay pitch again, it's definitely him. A random pol guy wouldn't know the lore enough to recit shit like that
Counterpoints:
Half this shit is shitting on women and the israelites, something to /misc/ even for IC's twisted beliefs
Not a single person has been shitting on WMAF.
Rent free.
This. Their boogeyman lives in their head rent free