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It has to be way better than Dune 1, how long is walken in it for and spoil the film
I heard the vast majority of the movie is Chalamet and Zendaya. Despite that, though, I hear it's still good.
It is mostly those two.
Visually it’s very good.
Plot-wise it’s really not unless you agree with the screenwriter’s conclusions to all the philosophical questions posed in the book.
>unless you agree with the screenwriter’s conclusions to all the philosophical questions posed in the book.
You mean the conclusions only partially answered into the third book and never fully answered because Frank Herberk died from cancer after using a shit ton of drugs early in life?
Dune is a prologue to a way bigger story and doesn't answer any questions.
~10-15 min, primarily in the finale
How do you feel about the Black person love interest?
gross, I’m not seeing it because zendaya is ugly and hard to look at on a tv, forget about a movie screen
Why does it have hair sprouting from the middle of its forehead?
That's how she looks dude. That's not AI. She has to shave her forehead to look human because she's a goblino.
it's not her fault you're so lonely and angry anon. Don't give up.
She's cute you're gayracist. Deal with it.
hello, pajeet
I've seen it too and it's an absolute steamy turd of the greatest magnitude.
Lies
Plant
The Fan Event in the US is happening right now at most AMCs at 7pm, so the east coast showing won't be out for another 15minutes. Made your thread to early anon
>Florence Pugh's flat man ass
Yeah I'll pass
That boypussy be calling me man. It should be illegal for a whiteboy to have ass like that.
This homie's on it man. When I put my meat in between those buttermilk cheeks it's going to look like a reverse Oreo.
I really hope Kyle MacLachlan rapes Timothee tonight
>That boypussy be calling me man. It should be illegal for a whiteboy to have ass like that.
Who's the girl at the bottom supposed to be?
Who the frick is that
I think it's an OC female they made to be Shanni's friend. She's in the clip talking to her when Paul tries to ride a worm, but she isn't mentioned by name
Its Shishakli, another gender swap from the books
That one dude in profile, is he hooked up to smell his own farts?
Probably the fremen witch
One of the other fremen who I believe is Chani's friend and also gets burned alive by feyd rautha when the rest of the fremen go to the south
That's a worm.
a man with an ax wound
Paul's slave wife he gain after killing that Black person at the end of one. Dennis felt one boss b***h on screen wasn't enough so he doubled it.
On the book she is a non-character, important on mention only.
No, she's one of Chani's atheist friends. Hanah isn't in the movie. She should have been though, because she was technically Paul's first wife, which makes Chani's tantrums even more moronic. Paul had three wives at the end of Dune.
>No, she's one of Chani's atheist friends.
My bad anon, me and a lot of people were speculating stuff that made sense. I shouldn't question Dennis genius of just making up some unnecessary character because he needs to give her actress something to do.
she's fine as long as you don't start pissing and shidding yourself because women are talking on screen. Feyd Rautha captures her and it's implied she's raped and tortured to death anyway so take solace in that if her inclusion upsets you
The only female allowed to talk is Jessica. I can't imagine dog-woman having any interesting line in the movie, she barely says anything that matters on the book even. I am convinced its for the most part "muh feelings" dialogue crap they have female writers there day write to justify their existence.
Character isn't made up, it's just genderswapped
Who does Tim Blake Nelson play?
The only thing that makes sense is if he plays an early version of a face dancer
>Who does Tim Blake Nelson play?
Fenrig.
Leaks said he was cut
But he was Fenrig.
>available to pirate in June
lol they finally removed Steven McKinley Henderson’s name from the marketing. He was completely cut out of the film late in editing.
Damn they won't even show Thufir's death?
KWAB
That's a mistake. People are gonna be confused over what happened to his character.
Irulan dress looks dumb
All I want out of Dune Part 2 is to not feel like a movie split in half
I understand it's a Part 2, I understand Part 1 is a Part 1, but there are several other movies split in half where each part feels like their own thing in a way where Dune Part 1 does not
Dune Part 1 just felt like one big movie, split in half, and then it was planned to sell it as 2 parters
If Part 2 can fix that, I'm already happy with it
IMO it's kind of a "Two Towers" scenario where it doesn't feel incomplete per se but is unavoidably beholden to being a smaller part of a whole
I never watched Two Towers
My issue with Part 1 is that it felt VERY incomplete
Picture like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
There's a grander picture that is only finished by Part 2, but ultimately Part 1 does open up a bunch of plot threads, follows through with them, and finishes them in the same movie
My issue with Dune Part 1 is that, outside of maybe 1 or 2 very minor examples, they setup a ton but finish almost nothing
Like the entire movie was meant to purely introduce the Dune universe, and NOTHING else
So, I'm basically gonna hate it as much as I hated Part 1
Gotcha
>My issue with Dune Part 1 is that they setup a ton but finish almost nothing
Happens when you only make half a movie.
It feels like episode 2 of a 5 or 10 part series. Not really a conclusion, just the end of a chapter.
Just got out of a screening too, was much betetr than part 1 but the pacing/some story elements seemed a bit rushed at times
So what's the quick rundown on the plot? What did they cut/add/change?
I just got out of the early showing. It was very very good. I'm sad there was no guild navigator shown. There was no Count Fenring, only Margot Fenring (playedd by Lea Seyddoux)
Alia doesn't get born, she's still in the womb at the end of the movie but she still has a presence talking through Jessica. And when Paul takes the water of life he has a vision of Alia in the future.
There's no spice orgy.
Thufir had no presence in the film.
I liked her outfits personally.
Does it feel rushed? Any stupid shit? Any cool/weird shit?
Some aspects felt rushed just because they had a lot of ground to cover. Action sequences were good, Harkonnen homeworld was weird but interesting conceptually
>Does it feel rushed?
Not at all. I just remembered it did cut out the stuff with Jamis wife becoming Pauls property, and also Gurney being upset at Jessica and trying to kill her. Jessica is definitely a bit more diabolical in this.
>Any stupid shit?
Not really, the glimpse of Alia as an adult was a little bit strange but its so brief.
>Any cool/weird shit?
All the fighting is insanely cool, the sandworms are great, the Emperors space ship is great, and Geidi Prime is absolutely pure kino in my opinion.
I was also kind of thinking that as I walked out, hopefully they don't cut Edric from the next movie. One thing I do like about the Lynch movie is the position of the spacing guild and them putting pressure on the Emperor to act, I thought it was a good addition.
>the Emperors space ship is great
Is this it arriving?
Yes. It goes to just outside of Arrakeen and they build a stronghold on the surface with it floating above. It's very visually interesting.
Ok, is this the family atomics or is this a lasgun hitting a shield?
Family atomics hitting the rocks behind Arakeen.
So, the last battle as depicted by Denis? Neat.
You’ll have fun! Enjoy the film.
Anon please tell me more about Geidi Prine
It’s amazing. The arena scene is overpowering and the noise is unbelievable. Feud fights three surviving Atreides prisoners and has a harem of cannibal prostitutes.
all the character are fully saturated in artificial light and as they move into the dark natural sunlight of giedi prime, the colors desaturate until fully black and white. really cool
The liquid fireworks were also very cool. I would do depraved things for an adaptation of The Second Apocalypse by Villeneuve
it true they show a little homie sandworm too? like a baby one
Yes, these baby sandworms are what allow them to manufacture living water.
They show the baby sandworm and drowning it to get the water of life
I only know the story from the movies so I was surprised when writing modules didn't show up in this
*Weirding modules
Yeah the weirding modules were just a weird thing added to the David Lynch movie cause hand-to-hand combat wasn't feasible due to how expensive it was to animate the shields.
The (very) few scenes that had shields in the original film took a year to animate.
one of the concept artists for Dune Part 1 did mention Denis liking some of the concepts they had for guild navigators. My guess would be the third film as guild navigators never physically show up in the books either until Messiah
the problem i had with teh first film is it doesn't really get into the themes of dune very much, and i fear that the second film will also do this. dune isn't just a fun space adventure, its like a super philosophical story and losing that seems pointless.
themes like the moral dillemma of whether or not paul wants to manipulate the fremen into thinking that he's their messiah. its established that the religion of the freman was put there by the bene gesserit sometime before so that the fremen can be manipulated with it, so then paul has to decide if he wants to go along with the fremen thinking that he's their messiah so that he can get revenge on the baron harkonnen for killing his father, which will also doom empire to face a great jihad (called a crusade in the films because they are pussies) that will kill billions if not trillions of people. so the theme becomes questioning how much it is moral for an authority figure to manipulate a peoples beliefs to enact a change, if the change is for a good reason? at what cost?
theres also the theme of if the religion is "true" or not, because while the bene gesserit did things to manipulate the fremen into having the religion in the first place, does that make it not true? especially because, the messiah in a sense DID come, and it is an exceptional person who possesses great abilities and insight, who DOES bring freedom to the fremen. more then that, it doesn't go as the bene gesserit planned, and back fires in their face, so the prophecy that they think that they put on arrakis winds up actually being true and they wind up succumbing to it, so then were the bene gesserit them selves being manipulated by god?
theres also the themes related to the butlerian jihad. the butlerian jihad was people in this empire wiping out all "thinking machines", so anything that is a computer, not even a calculator. the reason isn't because of something like the matrix or terminator, but becuase it encouraged human beings to dehumanize and be cruel to eachother, it made humans act like machines.
but then after the butlerian jihad, people are still doing that to eachother, people are still dehumanized and treated cruelly, and its just using different things like religion, discipline, power, etc.
the mentats, the doctors, every caste in this society is made to be molded into an instrument that strips them of their humanity so that they can be useful to someone who has power over them.
the bene gesserit worship humanity as a religion, yet the reverend mother says that she "hates love" becuase it distracts from ones great work, yet love is one of the things that define humanity.
it really needs to hammer home that if paul chooses to let the fremen think he's the messiah, then he's purposely condeming billions of innocent people to die in a religious crusade JUST so that he can get revenge on the baron harkonnen, which makes him not really a messiah, but a flawed anti hero.
Which is the whole purpose Frank had for the story. In short, just because they can, does not mean they should and DO NOT TRUST ANY LEADER
Your characterization of the Butlerian jihad is correct and something that goes over Redditors heads but it’s worth noting that by the fifth book they had retconned into dumb terminator shit
everyone knows you stop reading after god-emperor
>it really needs to hammer home that if paul chooses to let the fremen think he's the messiah, then he's purposely condeming billions of innocent people to die in a religious crusade JUST so that he can get revenge on the baron harkonnen, which makes him not really a messiah, but a flawed anti hero.
Felt to me like they wouldn't shut up about this topic, it's the focus of the movie
>the reason isn't because of something like the matrix or terminator, but becuase it encouraged human beings to dehumanize and be cruel to eachother, it made humans act like machines.
THANK GOD any other way is just stupid
>themes like the moral dillemma of whether or not paul wants to manipulate the fremen into thinking that he's their messiah
>theres also the theme of if the religion is "true" or not
These are both in the second movie. It's a big plot point that a large number of Fremen in northern arrakis think the prophecy is hocus pocus, whereas those in south arrakis are more fundamentally religious. Paul even is trying to push that he isn't a prophet in it and doesn't want to be propped up as a messiah until his frustrations with his own incomplete prescience (partially driven by having visions of Chani dying) force him to take the water of life and he starts to try the weave the narrow line to the golden path.
They butcher all this and boil it down to girlboss chani raging out about religion is used to control us rawr
Unfortunately I think they had to oversimplify the theme to show Chani as the sole voice against a bunch of fanatics but your point is well taken.
They didn’t oversimplify, the writers took sides and condescendingly editorialized to the audience but that being said your point is taken.
to be fair, i am pretty sure that chani in the book also didn't believe that paul was the messiah.
Sure but it was also an entirely different dynamic
moron journalists would keep waving that muh white savior flag if they didn't make it obvious for them since they clearly can't read and the whole planted religion part flew right over their heads the first go round.
This isn't even slightly true, in fact when she tries to do this Gurney forces her to sit down and shut up. I thought it was hilarious because the trailer makes it look like she's speechifying to some crowd when in the movie a split second later brolin's dragging her to the floor by her wrist and telling her to knock it off
just saw the part two, they go into this a pretty decent amount. Paul shows a lot of confliction and there are even visions of Chani dying that Paul is conflicted about too and how he kind of has to get the Jihad to start to "save" her. Almost like a taste of Messiah which I liked.
Just like Walken in The Dead Zone
>Steven McKinley Henderson
Is he really cut?
He's not in the film at all
Bummer. He gave an interview before the strike about being bullied by Feyd.
What happens to chani, Is the relationship collapse as
says it does or does he inform her about the marriage? it would be wierd if they do messiah and he isnt in a relationship with chani cause that would frick up the whole story
He keeps telling Chani the whole movie that he basically worships her and never wants to be away from her and then in the last five minutes he tells another woman he's going to marry her right in front of Chani with no warning, lol
Chani is taken aback and visibly upset by him taking Irulan as his wife. But all through the fight with Feyd Rautha he keeps looking at her. She (persumably) doesn't participate in the jihad in the end and rides off on a sandworm, but earlier in the movie shortly after Paul gets prescience he says she will eventually come to understand their actions.
Paul's sister only shows up in a couple visions that Paul has and is played by Anya Taylor Joy, she remains unborn for movie. Chani leaves at the end on a sandworm after Paul says he will marry Irulan. There is a lot of jumping around from the North to South, Paul becoming the messiah feels pretty fast tracked
laaame. I was hoping for a CG baby ATJ
This was posted last week. Dunno if true.
>Begins immediately after the first movie ended, Jamis’s body isn’t even cold yet.
>Alia is still in the womb but communicating with Jessica via telepathy.
>Paul drinks from the Water of Life and sees adult Alia played by Anya Taylor-Joy.
>Chani doesn’t believe Paul is the messiah, and Paul rejects the role at first and plans to set Arrakis free with no Imperial steward to reign over them.
>Gurney 1v1s Rabban 1v1 during the final battle.
>The Emperor shuts down the Baron’s life support system after the Fremen forces overwhelm the Harkonnen troops. Paul storms in and finishes off the Baron by slicing his throat.
>Paul VS. Feyd is a bit longer and tenser, Paul gets stabbed twice and seems to be down, but manages to pull one of the blades out of his body and stab Feyd to death with it.
>Paul ultimately accepts his role as the messiah, announces he is the ruler of Arrakis, and proposes to marry Irulan to establish a truce with the Emperor, which causes Chani to leave in disappointment.
>Movie ends with Paul watching as the Fremen depart to begin their intergalactic jihad, conflicted about what he has started.
>It's another hero uses blade that stabbed him, to kill his enemy episode
This is all true but the last shot is of Chani and the prior shot is of Rebecca Fergusson communicating with Alia about the holy war beginning
them taking out alia out of the film is them butchering the themes that i'm talking about here
alia is a continuation of people stripped of their humanity for a purpose.
jessica decides to do the spice ritual even though she is pregnant because she feels she has to to be able to get an edge, this strips alia of her childhood and her perceived humanity just so that her mother can get something.
and then when she goes on to kill the baron harkonnen, this furthers this trend of people being dehumanized and used as tools.
>jessica decides to do the spice ritual
In both the book and the new movie Jessica isn't even aware of what it is she's about to drink, and in the movie they say she has no purpose and would be killed if she didn't.
Alia is not taken out at all, she has the most screentime of any character that hasn't even been born yet in a movie ever
What's the point of complaining about shit they "did wrong" if you haven't even seen the fricking movie yet
i'm complaining about her specifically not killing the baron, its like kind of an imporant thing that a fricking little girl thats like four or six years old is the one who actually killed the baron harkonnen. it reinforces the themes of dehumanization and turning people into instruments. she also needs to be actually born so that people call her an "abomination" to further this theme.
Okay, that I all agree with. I'll hold out hope that they faked us out with the Baron's death in this chapter but I doubt it since Mother Gaius already used up her "abomination" on Paul in this movie
And don't forget the poetic irony that the pedophile Baron was killed by a child. The people making these changes don't realize they have a domino effect of making a story as tightly written as Dune worse. There's no fat to trim, even just getting rid of the Dinner party diminished a lot of the politics and characterization.
the dinner party is fricking huge, they also took away the stand off that thufir had with jessica where thufir suspects that jessica is the spy that almost got paul killed with the assassination device.
this again furthers the theme of instrumentatization and dehumanization. the mentats and the bene gesserit operate do to difference disciplines and philosophies and this causes them to distrust eachother, inspite of thufir and jessica also being human beings that have worked together for the same lord, inspite of jessica being pauls mother, thufir still suspects her because she is a bene gesserit, even though he's supposed to be a hyper rational human computer, he calls her and her guild "witches".
Why the frick are Villeneuve drones like this?
I knew they'd bend backwards to defend that hack completely destroying Dune.
>dune fans when they get an exiting movie instead of 4 hours of pretentious conversations (part 1 of 3)
>an exiting movie
Nothing about DUNC is exciting.
>you haven't even seen the fricking movie yet!!! *cries*
Correction: We haven't even seen the other half of the movie yet.
It's a good thing Denis took Nolans homosexual stance on never having extended cuts so any more scenes left on the cutting room floor are lost forever
It looks like capeshit
I just got back from an early screening. It’s unbelievable.
Why does geidi prine wear a mask
It’s a story coded as a israelite leading a diverse band of doctors and lawyers to kill cartoonishly evil white people
In some far off shit hole
lmfao
>kill cartoonishly evil white people
yeah, they even bleached autista for this
kinda lame how hard it leaned into the love story angle and making chani a jealous b***h but visually it was even more stunning than part 1
does it have all the stuff about spice? you know, the big thing that Paul threatens to do.
Paul threatens to use atomics to destroy all the spice fields in order to get the other great houses to submit
No, all of the ecology is cut out and it’s just Paul threatening to nuke the spice fields (lol). The origin of spice and why Dunc is a desert are never explored or revealed
I don't care about the ecology at all, so no biggie.
But nuking the spice fields seems a bit silly. Like if that is a possibility, then someone else in the Imperium would've already figured it out. The Emperor/Guild would probably order any House that is taking over Arakis to not take their nukes.
Nobody else WANTS to nuke the spice fields
>Nobody else WANTS to nuke the spice fields
that's a moronic justification.
"They were meant to tame the planet; free the water beneath the sands.
Arrakis could have been a paradise.
The work had begun, but then the spice was discovered.
Suddenly, no one wanted the dessert to go away."
Next time, listen to when a black woman is speaking.
>why safeguard the fuel for the most incredible technology ever known toman when we could've had, like, y'know, another jungle
"ethical" people are so fricking pathetic
It was very good. Strong 8.5. Geidi Prime was phenomenal
this website needs to rangeban india and south america
What's good u worm rider the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV has just transferred control of Arrakis and its spice trade to Daddy Leto Atreides and u know what that means MELANGE A TROIS season has arrived put on your stillsuit panties and sand shuffle past the shield wall to sietch tabr so u can worship the Muad'DICK if u want ur consciousness to transcend the barriers of time and have intergalactic jihad waged in your name send this to 15 of your s***tiest Fremen if u get 0 back ur an ugly HARKONEN if u get 5 back ur the KWISUCKS HARDERDICK and that Bene Geserit Bussy is SHARE in 69 secs or you won't be riding the Shai-hulud and your body's water will go to waste
i had two zoomer muzzies wearing tracksuits next to me the whole time. they would not shut the frick up, and were on their phones the whole time. the smell in the theater was putrid, and abdul and mohammed smelled of rotting coconut. after it was over i called them homosexuals, and they apologized and said they were excited.
I had some ass smelling neckbeards that looked like they post here given their gargantuan pudge.
>lemme insult people who post on Cinemaphile, there's no way that can be turned back against me
me when mommy sends me to bed without tendies
>PAUL I NEED MORE COWBELL
Walken almost fricking killed my entire immersion, him saying "need more, more" was so fricking SNL More Cowbell I was laughing in the theater. Otherwise Kino
Cinematic kino of the darkest order
So is ANYTHING in this shitty movie good? Because everything I've read sounds like my greatest fears realized and worse. Lynch's Dune was stupid but it at least tried, not outright disregard the source
>So is ANYTHING in this shitty movie good?
Yeah, your big gaping butthole leaking Chink cum
That's not good at all
>The entire Rautha gladiator scene
unironically the most kino scene in any sci-fi movie of the last 25 years.
Go on. How?
the entire scene was in black and white, which as
pointed out was such a departure from the entire mov
BIG STRONG BEAUTIFUL BROWN INDEPENDENT ATHEIST WOMAN
SHE DON'T NEED NO MAN SLAY QUEEN SLAY
I am going to kill myself
also gets publicly jilted and humiliated
only problem I had was she's legit too ugly to look at for an entire movie
It's moronic. The second half of the movie spans months, and nowhere did Paul tell Chani her plans, or demonstrate his visions to her to make her believe. The entire point of tension of the second half is bad communication for the sake of drama, which isn't in the books. It UNDERMINES the books, because almost the whole plot of Dune Messiah is Paul letting literally billions of people die because their love is too strong for Paul to let her go.
Stilgar also got turned into comic relief, and his religion is treated as a joke.
The action scenes were boring. It's telling that the shills here are saying the sequences are "visually interesting" instead of how you normally describe action scenes (exhilarating, awesome). The pacing is also uneven. You can tell the script wasn't designed for a fast paced movie. The movie feels rushed early on and drags during the final third.
The Cinematography is fricking garish. All this to say, this movie is made for midwits who post pretty looking cinegrids on Insta and twitter.
I see the word midwit, I ignore everything else that was said in the post. good job invalidating yourself, midwit
>All this to say, this movie is made for midwits who post pretty looking cinegrids on Insta and twitter.
That's the average Denis Villeneuve experience.
Saw it in Imax tonight, it was fricking great
How was the Baron portrayed?
He was a non-entity. Forgettable.
i've seen it. it's fine. probably wouldn't reccommend IMAX over Dolby... sound is just like getting punched in the face over and over again, no nuance.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, there's only a few times I thought the visuals were "awe-inspiring" likely because a lot of it is hitting the same notes as the first movie. Ironically I thought the stuff on giedi prime was the coolest looking parts because it was such a departure.
structure of the antagonists is pretty strange, the first movie's villains, bautista and skarsgard, pretty much get sidelined in favor of butler and walken (even then walken doesn't really get much to do) which is annoying because they have to spend a lot of time setting them up which is what I thought the first movie was for? is that how it played out in the books too?
bardem's character does a sudden 180 into being goofy zealot character who says he's ready to die for paul in the first five minutes of the movie. mostly gets played for laughs throughout. odd decision.
Rabban only had a single in person appearance in the books, even though he could have made for a good POV chapter of the shitshow unfolding on Arrakis from a Harkonnen perspective. Baron remains a scheming villain throughout up until like the second to last chapter where he had the bow and scrap before the Emperor, who never even became aware of the Baron's own scheming against him. Do the Baron and Feyd share any screen time together in the movie? And Feyd and Rabban for that matter?
>Rabban
Rabban being a dumb muscle man is such a meme based only on the Baron's impressions taken as gospel. He asked a "penetrating question" about Yueh and the Emperor and knew that the Fremen were being heavily underestimated. The Baron set Rabban up to fail by encouraging absolute ruthlessness and cruelty so Feyd could step in but he didn't predict the situation becoming the shitshow it became when the Fremen began their guerilla war and absolutely wrecked Harkonnens and, later, Sardaukar alike.
>Do the Baron and Feyd share any screen time together in the movie? And Feyd and Rabban for that matter?
Yeah man, it's not like a ton, but the baron tells em what to do and shit, and there's a scene where Feyd makes Rabban kiss his boot
Yeah there's enough with all the Harkonnens to make you happy although Skarsgard doesn't get a ton to do and Rabban is basically just a b***h the whole movie. It did make me wish they had introduced Feyd in the first film
I feel like they were almost 50/50 on Feyd vs. combining Feyd with Rabban, from reasons like not wanting too much sequel bait should there be no greenlight for a sequel to them not knowing how much leverage they have going forward with expanding the cast even further
>combining Feyd with Rabban
They should just have done that. Would make sense, and it would simplify it.
Dune 1 roles were cast in 2018-19. A "mirror" of Paul at that time would be Pattinson as he already played a foil in The King. Bill Skarsgaard is probably too on the nose.
They introduced fricking atheists into a society that is the Middle East on steroids. It's a society where they will kill you for wasting water by not wearing a stillsuit. Ironically, how they portray Harkonnens by having them kill people casually is how the Fremen are in the books. The Fremen were even that way in the first movie -- they almost instinctively killed Paul and Jessica. If there were a group of hipster atheists pointing and laughing at the sietch naib, they would be fricking gutted on the spot.
How the frick do they dismount a worm?
In the books they ride them until the worm tires out and are too weak to fight back afterwards.
Thanks fren. Me and my mates were wondering.
So they have to ride around the place they want to go to until the worm getting tired
Something like that, but normally the distances they travel on worms is enormous, which isn't shown very well in the movies. Some trips can take up to three separate worms or more. So, they'll ride one until it tires out, then call another one, and so on.
Everything you listed is boring tho
Idk why the max boring part one of this movie has 8/10 on imdb
Reddit and Letterboxd.
Question for the book folks again. What was the perspective of the great houses in with regard to this communication hail from Vlad nearing the end of the movie? Did the houses know Arakis was under Harkonnen or Atreides rule? This did not seem to be explained in the movie at all and the great houses fleets showed up right at the end to presumably get captured and turned on the galaxy.
As Paul declares himself the new Emperor, the Navigator Guild capitulates because of his threat of ending the flow of Spice. The Guild also controls long range communication, so they are the ones that go around warning the rest of the known universe about the state of thigs.
I haven't seen the movie but knowing Dennis he doesn't explain anything and its just Star Wars logic where they are just there because the plot needs them to be.
I don't remember the guild even being mentioned in the villeneuves
>wanting sci-fy on a romance movie for chicks
Shut the frick up and clap for Timmy and the DOG-woman ok, chud?
The 2021 movie basically made it so that the spice being required for space travel is common knowledge rather than something Paul figures out and uses as a trump card against the Guild. The secret thing I can take or leave for a movie adaption but him holding the universe hostage by threatening to destroy spice is needed.
what the FRICK are you talking about? Everyone in power knows the Guild relies on spice for space travel. It's not a secret. You literally just made that up
I recall it being some big bombshell Paul drops on everyone after he kills Feyd in the book. He drops this along with the fact that he can destroy spice, which is when it dawns on everybody that he had them completely by the balls.
There really no scene where the confronts the Navigators by threatening to end Spice? Damn bro you got scammed hard for paying for this shit.
paul threatens to use the remaining atreides atomics on the spice fields if the other houses intervene
Ok, I seen it and that might be the rushing near the end of the movie kicking into high gear. They don't name drop any of the other houses or the spacing guild for that matter. Maybe a 5-hour director's cut could fix this.
They don't even mention the other houses on the book either, but the Navigator Guild is central to the plot. Fricking crazy they end the movie with him killing Feyd and the Emperor just say "lol ok".
The emporer pretty much did not say a thing as his daughter did most of the talking for him. The great houses response to Paul's ascension to the throne was 'lol no'.
>The emporer pretty much did not say a thing
Why even have Walken there then, frick this movie.
>The great houses response to Paul's ascension to the throne was 'lol no'.
Well yeah, the plot of the second book is him consolidating power.
Walken is incredible in the movie, don't let autists tell you otherwise.
He's just there most of the time. It's hardly a performance, no shade to him. It's a supporting role.
The issue with the conflict and the other great houses was that they showed up with fleets within a brief window from what I remember watching and they had no set up. Vlad sent out some priority one hail and they all answered it would appear.
No mentats.
No space travel.
No ability to see the future.
He gutted the story, made it soulless, then filled every bit of space he could with zendaya's fricken pointless character
So dune is one of the planets that have spice
If you wanna be my lover.
NAME 10 BOOKS
There are only six Dune books
What's this shit I've heard about the Baron's medical treatments? The stuff about being submerged in liquids a lot of the time and those floating orbs with tubes. For all I can badmouth about the Denis movies, having Leto actually nearly kill the Baron and having him physically debilitated (well moreso than usual) is a change I like.
He has a life support system that follows him around, it's not much more than that. It is a change I like also though.
The Baron is on life support throughout the entire movie and his grievous wounds make him even more unhinged. Beast Rabban walks in on him when he's in the middle of a bender, there's two naked dead slaves in a corner, and the Baron is in immense pain and is screaming at him to fix spice production before he takes another poo bath.
The Duke Leto didn't kill the Baron, but he absolutely made sure that his last few months of life were absolutely miserable.
Kek, cool. Despite myself, I do like a bit the concept of making the Harkonnens occupy that whole Cenobite/Xenomorph area of villainy but for an entire interstellar civilization/culture.
The Harkonnens were really boring in the first movie but their depiction is incredible here. All of the troopers are drugged out of their fricking minds, they're puking their guts out and pissing their pants every time they're forced into battle with the Fremen and literally the only reason why they're fighting is because the similarly drug-addicted manchild Beast Rabban will kill them on the spot if they don't
That's lame. What about the Sadukar, are they badass? There's a book scene there they find some hiding in a merchant caravan and they are described as having hidden needles in fake nails and garrote wires on their hair strands. Did any of that makes it in or they generic viking looking men?
>That's lame
No, you're lame.
>Sardaukar
They get completely dabbed on by the Fremen, as they should. The sardaukar fricking suck and that's literally the point.
The Sardukaur general from the first movie shows up more. But the Saurdukaur just end up being mooks to fight in the last battle where they get trampled by worms.
I always thought in the sequel they should show scenes like the liquidation of the ghetto from Schindler's List when the Harkonnens and then Sardaukar begin going for the sietchs
one of my big critiques of the film is the harkonnens never seem like a credible threat to the fremen, even after feyd takes over, and the fremen mogging them in the end battle always seems like an inevitabiity.
Man to man they should get wrecked but have that inital production/technology advantage. You slaughter a unit of our men in hand to hand? We raze an entire sietch with our aircraft or send the men in to slaughter non-combatant women and chldren.
This is literally what happens in t he movie??? am I taking crazy pills? Have you actually seen it or are you just operating off secondhand information from performatively outraged incels?
Is this really the only type of poster still defending DUNC? The ones screeching about “performatively outaged incels”?
I haven't seen it but read the books. I'm more describing how I imagined you would show the desert war on film since like 2020, not anything performative.
What you described is basically what happens in the movie. You will dig it.
lmao, actually that is what happens
Feyd has the brilliant idea that if they just blast the shit out of the caves the fremen live in they'll collapse in on them and that's how they take the one out where they kill Chani's best bud
It made me happy that they managed to sneak in the Baron cackling and patting himself on the back for using old-school artillery, even if the context was changed
In the book the Harks are cartoonish baddies, just an alt reality of what Paul thinks is beneath him in becoming (for he turns into someone far worse.)
Eh, the Baron and co. at least talk like people amongst themselves and to others. You don't have any really the equivalent of how unhinged they were in the Lynch movie nor as overtly evil and sinister in design as in Denis or with stuff like MY DESERT MY ARRAKIS MY DUNE! or KILL THEM ALL! The Baron even feels discomfort over seeing the state Leto was in because he's royalty and I dispute the notion that the Baron was sadistic - totally ruthlessness and evil, but always a guy who did shit with some sort of purpose. Piter's sadism is exactly why he was growing sick of him and planned to replace him eventually.
I sped through the book + the Harks read like a kind of satires of court schemers, courtly manners barely hiding the constant gluttony and lust they can't turn off. It's like really dry Jonathan Swift, less droll but with very tight-knit relations. If the movie gets that off-kilter "bond" (that's recognizably "family dysfunction" to me) it's half decent.
>harkonnens never seem like a credible threat to the fremen
they never were in the book
they hardly knew there were any fremen around
the colonist angle is so stupid, has no basis in the book. the fremen don't view themselves as victims or colonised, they just keep to themselves with their big project.
A real shame. Its the first movie again, like everybody called it out.
The Sardaukar are jobbers, they have always been jobbers, their might is entirely informed through reputation, relayed to the reader by Thufir Hawat, literally the dumbest motherfricker alive who is literally wrong about everything throughout the entire book.
The Sardaukar get stomped EVERY time they actually show up, even in the book.
Herbert definitely went too far in making the Fremen so much better than the Sardaukar that even women and children commanded by the fricking 2 year old Alia wrecked them during a raid. Non-jobber Sardaukar was an area Denis could have improved on. Most we ever saw was them killing a bunch of Atreides in a brief scene. Duncan's death was too heroic and le badass for its own good. Should have been a bit like how Uncas died in Last of the Mohicans. He can wrecked a few as they come at him at a time but when two gang up on him, they get some wounds in before he kills them too, and then steps forth a single Sardaukar captain and he kills him 1v1
What a compelling history when the evil guys just die over a gust of wind. The book had a lot more stuff going on and even then at least tried to build them up. On the same vein I reckon they did not have the scene where the Fremem use suicide tactics and its portraited as heroic.
No, the Fremen are pretty whitewashed in this movie. Their bloodthirstyness is severely toned down, and any religous fervor is treated as old-fashioned among themselves. Also no mention of how their culture is polygymous, which undermines plot points in the movie.
Sadly generic plus the ones guarding the emperor, in two instances, die off screen. Fricking lame.
Sardaukar design remains unforgivable. So fricking generic. They're described as terror troops in the books - that gives you license to make them look overtly sinister for propaganda purposes. Shit like skull-looking helmets/marks, techno-organic vibes here and there. They looking horrifying for a propaganda purpose.
It's a shill thread lead by zoomies. You'll only get responses like this
Probably because you only watch desexed capeshit.
Cool. If you're going to make them almost an inhuman/alien evil civilization, dial it up to 11 with the degeneracy and the drugs and the harems. Better than simply having them being ugly stompy bald men that deliver sinister monologues. Shit, this unhinged debilitated Baron having a binge scene like from The Whale would be kino.
>"RABBAN! SQUEEZE!" screeches the unhinged Baron as he begins grabbing and tugging at his wiener underneath the folds of fat
>"Y-yes, uncle! The spice production shall improve!"
>"No. NO!" he shouts as he floats forward with a fully erected 30cm member (courtesy of Bene Tleilax genetic surgeries)
>"SQUEEZE! SQUEEZE!"
>"yes uncle" whimpers Rabban as he begins stretching forth a shudder hand with a grimace on his face
Is it ever explained why Chani has generic american accent when all the other Fremen have a specifically different one?
because Zendaya can't act.
Casting Zendaya as Chani was such a massive mistake.
She was a diversity hire.
If you imagine women leads as children it all makes sense, there's really no expectations there besides showing up.
Best scene of the movie was the worms breaking through the shield wall. Shame they spoiled it in the trailers though.
Is the Giedi Prime scene kino?
Black star. Pure kino.
As soon as a good digital rip comes out I'm goingg to furiously jerk off to Margott seducing Feyd, it was literally the hottest thing I've seen in a blockbuster movie in some time
Third act felt a bit rushed but other than that 9.5/10
I really liked it but the casting was super annoying. Literally Timothy Chalamet rejecting Zendaya to frick Florence Pugh. All your favorite zoomer actors and actresses are here y'all, even Ayy Lmao
For those who watched it, is Zendaya actually good as Chani? She seemed like shit in part one.
she frowns a lot and basically exists to present the anti-jihadist viewpoint but everyone just tells her to sit down and shut up throughout the movie which is pretty funny and at the very end paul publicly cucks her to frick florence pugh causing her to ragequit out on a worm
In the book Paul tells Chani that Chani is his real wife and that Princess Irulan just exists for him to become emperor.
No. She’s borderline unwatchable and takes up like 50% of the screen time
never watching it
kys already
The one thing I don't really get with the Bene Gesserit is that they are using their breeding program to produce someone like Paul to be the Kwisatz Haderach, but the Reverend Mother calls Paul an abomination, when he is exactly what their intended end goal becomes?
Do they want to control the Kwisatz Haderach? Did they not foresee they can't control someone who becomes omni prescient?
Rebecca Fergusson is so sick in this movie btw.
KH was to be raised among the Bene Gesserit so he could be controlled. I don't think she calls Paul an abomination regardless, probably a piece of dialogue aimed at Alia that survived some rewrite when they cut her off the movie.
Paul uses the voice on the Reverend Mother and she calls him an abomination. Though she might have been referring to Alia in the books as such.
I haven't read the books, but i know Alia is around 2 years old when Paul becomes Emperor. Is she omni prescient as well?
> Is she omni prescient as well?
She is essentially a reverend mother at birth, fully aware and connected to her past female selves, so I think that helps her using the Spice future prediction properties better. The abomination label is solely because she is a pre-born because they get possessed easily.
>Alia is expected to speak at Arrakeen University over the dangers of prebornphobia; her previous talks at the University of Caladan saw her lambaste Helen Gaius Mohiam as a "hatemonger bigot"
>The supposedly ironic "Bene Chudderit" memes supporting Mohiam aren't just jokes; they're a Bad Thing, and Here's Why
The Kwizzie was meant to be the son of Leto's daughter and Feyd Rautha. So millennia of preparations and planning were thrown away because Paul's mom wanted to deliver a son to Leto I as he wanted a son. The Kwizzie program was meant to create a god-like being able to draw upon their male genetic memory (Bennys cannot access the male side, at least reliably). So on top of being able to control him keep in mind this would be a god-like being of prescient power able to access half of humanity's genetic memory off limits to them. So not only a rival to the benny gesundheits, but one who is better than them.
The whole box business was wanting to make sure with all that power that Paul could control himself enough (until they could manipulate him).
Not him, but alia from what I remember is the abomination for a specific reason. She was made conscious/prescience within the womb, so before she could truly develop her own ego/self she was being bombarded with the ego/personalities/memories of her ancestors including the Baron (whose sense of self hijacks her in children of dune I think). I am not sure if she is prescient, but she is able to access male and female memories (Benny gesundheits cannot access the male side)
I'm gonna guess that the Baron possession will occur in the third movie even if it's mostly Dune Messiah. Have the Baron act as a villain (even from beyond the grave) in every single movie, and if Alia kills herself in the third movie that's another lingering threat Denis can get rid of for what is to be a trilogy's final part.
> I am not sure if she is prescient, but she is able to access male and female memories (Benny gesundheits cannot access the male side)
I think she unlocks that after almost dying to a overdose of Spice halfway in Messiah or it was just a Barron only thing because they are next to kin. Honestly all of that stuff is pretty esoteric and barely explained.
So, the Reverend Mother (Gaius Helen Mohiam) is still against Paul and Jessica's prophecy? As she believed Jessica should have had a daughter to breed with Feyd to become the actual KH?
Yeah, in the future they attempt to undermine Paul's throne. Eventually, even Jessica repents and goes back to the bene gesserit. They hate that they're losing control of the future thanks to Paul (and Leto III in the future), but they can't do shit.
The Bene Gesserit plan was:
>Jessica gives birth to a daughter
>That daughter marries Feyd-Rautha, healing the breach between Houses Atreides and Harkonnen and securing the two primary bloodlines
>Their son marries into House Corrino and becomes defacto Emperor, because they denied Shaddam IV any sons
>Bene Gesserit now have direct control over a superman who rules the universe
Jessica instead gave the Duke Leto a son out of her love for him, and that screwed up their plans. even 5,000 years later the Bene Gesserit curse Jessica as a moron who burned the galaxy to the ground because she believed in something as foolish as love
>No spice orgy scene
0/10
DUNC
BORING
Did they explain that strange cgi fighting war scene
There's a callback to that scene from the first movie. Same choreography in a scene during the final battle, but it's revealed to be Chani instead of Paul this time.
HAHAHAHAHA
The main cast is so by the numbers and hungry for star power that if they do end up featuring the dwarf in part three, it'll be Peter Dinklage
i havent read the book but what was the deal with the gold armor vision in the first movie?
shant be watching
Gem.
>Honestly all of that stuff is pretty esoteric and barely explained.
Story of the original dunc series really. You can trace it with a near perfect trajectory. Dune itself is incredibly easy to access (not dumb, just very straightforward). Messiah is a bit more esoteric. Children is esoteric but still comprehendable. God-emperor is when it starts going off the rails but it's still good and I think it should be read. The last two(?) are - I won't even say they are bad but they are fricking weird. Kung-fu-sex-nuns. Makes me think if the internet magically could allow us to do everything but access porn all the neurotic nerds would be putting their autism towards writing great works instead of porn given how magical realm all the mid century sci fi authors were.
This. I didn't really enjoy enything past children of dune because it just becomes endless talking in circles instead of things happening.
I see a lot of complaints about how it does not go in depth on the philosophyy and such. I haven't seen th movie so I can't say, but the philosophical aspects are firstly not that present in book 1, and secondly not as deep as people think they are.
I valued my time too much to watch the first part all the way through, can't see myself sitting down to watch the plodding second half.
>value time
>posts on Cinemaphile
Movie was mid though
How is the final battle? Does it have a clear structure like how Helm's Deep did? Having phases or almost a three act thing
it's cool, but no
Oh what the frick. I thought it would be extensive based on the trailers. Mainly cause of the shit where Gurney and Fremen march up to Rabban where its seemingly night or enough smoke from the destruction has accumulated that it appears that way.
They spoiled the best parts in the trailer. That's literally it.
It being called the empire strikes back of sequels a lie?
no correlation really
the battle is extensive, it's just that the Sardaukar get completely slaughtered. It is not an epic contest where the audience is on the edge of their seat wondering who will win, the Fremen completely slaughter them all, without mercy.
>Gurney and Fremen march up to Rabban
After Paul forces the Emperor's surrender the Fremen begin mass slaughtering any surviving Sardaukar and Harkonnen troops. Rabban tries to escape only for Gurney to call him out.
Rabban tries to fight Gurney with a whip while screaming that he's a pathetic slave, but Gurney effortlessly dodges and puts a knife in him saying "that was for muh family and friends". It's actually pretty good
>After Paul forces the Emperor's surrender the Fremen begin mass slaughtering any surviving Sardaukar and Harkonnen troops
Oh good, they kept that then. I assumed you'd have the shield wall breached, some ground fighting on the Arrakeen plains, then they storm Arrakeen itself as the Emperor's camp gets surrounded and stormed, kill Rabban, and then everything in the throne room occurs.
>"that was for muh family and friends".
Actually very bizarre they don't mention Gurney's seethe over Rabban in part one. He has his whole "THEY'RE BRRRRUUTTTTTAL!" bit to Paul so why not have an extra 20 seconds where he actually rants about Rabban and what he did to him? I can at least understand no Feyd cause the cast of the movie is so flavor of the month that they would have held off on him being cast for a while
part 1 has the thankless job of just trying to make Dune digestible for normies, it's very much focused solely on Paul + jessica, with the supportingg characters only existing to serve the basic plot functions.
Part 2 actually has time to let characters breathe a bitt more and act like people rather than just exposition machines
dune 2 ironically has the reverse problem with it being completely overstuffed with zoomer actors making glorified cameo appearances (lea seydoux, anya taylor joy, chani's bff) + walken.
I think you're just mad you're getting old
it felt very rushed, didn't even last 5 minutes
No, it's rushed like it was in the book. The worms breach the shield wall, there's a scene with Chani fighting Sardukaur, then Paul is in the throne room of the Emperor's camp.
the battle is like 5 mins long, the movie surprisingly has relatively few action scenes
>he movie surprisingly has relatively few action scenes
i swear to god I watched a different movie than you people. It's basically nonstop action from beginning to end
wtf are you talking about? I love the movie and I actually appreciate the fact that the action scenes are much more restrained/lowkey, compared to something like lotr which has grand, bombastic sequences. There was barely a battle between the fremen and sardaukar, it was a lopsided affair that lasted like 5 minutes and theres even a scene where sardaukar die offscreen in the fog, where you would have expected an epic showdown. There was no battle between rabban and gurney and both the colloseum and final duels were pretty brief. There is massive war like helms deep or something similar. Its all bunch of brief skirmishes
isnt a massive war/battle**
Stick to your fantasy capeshit that is lotr, kid. You do not understand what is actually happening in the film
Is a midwit Dune fan getting uppity? Dune is proto-starshit. It's a inferior as a novel and inferior as a film.
I respect Tolkien, I do not respect Peter Jackson or his interpretation of Tolkien.
And I respect neither Herbert nor Villeneuve and I'm happy to brutally kill anyone who does.
The only thing you’ll be killing is hot pockets on your plate, fat boy
>It's basically nonstop action from beginning to end
"Dunc 2 is a non stop thrill ride that had me on the edge of my seat! You must see this movie!"
- Anon (4chins.org.com)
"The Spice. Melange. Wild stuff."
>do you wanna go out on the boat Lea?
The Cow goes 'Mooooooo'....
Are producers even allowed to tell women to lose weight anymore?
You don't think a double chin on a galactic princess is a good look?
>PRESENTING PRINCESS IRULAN, OF THE HOUSE CORRINO, OF THE GOLDEN SWINE THRONE.
They must have been starving her for a few weeks before filming. She’s a real porker outside this movie.
the last 3rd of the film is Timothee Chalamet's best performance. The scene where he goes full jihadist among the Fremen elder was amazing, quite honestly the best scene he's ever acted on.
That's probably the best scene from the movie. Also subtle, but Chani being ready to kill him when he called for challengers was pretty good.
Saw it tonight too. It’s very good, much better than the first. Imax really adds to it with the ridiculous sound. Been a while since I’ve seen kino of this caliber. People ruin the experience though. How many times do you have to get up and piss you diabetic obese wienersuckers. Can you not stop eating for 3 hours to watch a movie? You have to sit there playing with wrappers like you’re making origami cranes. And they always wait until the quiet moments. Really starting to hope for a world war.
They're Baron Harkonnen superfans, you ignorant moron.
>My cinema. My theatre. MY KINOPLEX.
He’s no where near as fat as the women in my theater tonight. It’s incredible.
Is the final fuel kino?
yes
No. It was underwhelming.
yeah, no music, very artfully done
It was garbage.
The only good casting is Chalamet and Ferguson. The rest is awful.
Galadriel was mid
I don't think it's possible to overstate how little respect I have for the opinions of other Cinemaphile anons
You guys are the stupidest Black personhomosexuals on the planet, but at least I can say whatever I want here
Seriously, you're all fricking morons though
I can't stand what they've done to the Harkonnens in these new movies. Is this the power of having to pander to average American IQ?
You do know this book was written by an American, right?
Yes, but that was at a time before social media.
Back when even Americans were somewhat educated on average.
You do know the reason the average IQ in America went down is because it got filled with non-Americans, right?
>it got filled with non-Americans
Yes. In the 18th century.
Dune was written in the 1960s
Yes. So you can tell it's not related to non-Americans. It's a home-made issue of the last 20, maybe 30 years.
Listen Paco/Francois, you stopped making sense a while ago and can just frick off now
>you stopped making sense
You're doing a good job proving why Americans nowadays have a reputation of being clinically moronic.