>"If you look at the MCU, there are very few traditional superheroes. There was never a guy with a secret identity until Spider-Man. Even Captain America was turned into a soldier even though he wears a mask. Iron Man outed himself at the end of his first film because they don't want to deal with the whole secret identity stuff."
>"There is a bit more of a fantasy element to DCU because there are these larger-than-life, true blue superheroes. For me, there's Superman and Clark Kent. They're two different characters, and you have to find a way to deal with them that's as grounded as possible within this world of DC."
>"Also, with DC it is Gotham City and Metropolis and Star City and Bludhaven, and all these different places in this other reality, and it makes it a little bit like Westeros in some ways. I love it in that way. I love that we get to create true world-building in DC. It isn't just 'we're throwing some superheroes on our Earth.' I think right now, that's one of the key differences."
https://comicbookmovie.com/dc-studios/dc-studios-boss-james-gunn-explains-how-the-new-dcu-will-differ-from-marvel-cinematic-universe-a203846/
>>"There is a bit more of a fantasy element to DCU because there are these larger-than-life, true blue superheroes.
outdated characters. Expect more flops in the future.
>outdated characters.
No such thing as outdated characters. Just incompetent writers.
have a little faith, lucy
>Satan is a dyed-in-the-wool Mousecuck
fitting
Fpbp
Trips of truth
Im sorry Gunn, but maybe you should stick to Cosmic Marvel kino. Gotg 3 was pretty great.
They should give up on the cinematic universe and just make strong standalone movies/series.
Would like some non-capeshit characters too. Let's get Swamp Thing, I....Vampire, a proper Jonah Hex movie, etc.
Swamp Thing is getting an adaptation with the director of Logan. Looks promising, honestly.
>Swamp Thing is getting an adaptation with the director of Logan. Looks promising, honestly.
agreed, although that director did the new Indiana Jones movie......
Is it out? How bad is it?
He's done good stuff with Logan and Ford v Ferrari, but the new Indiana Jones movie is really middling mediocre slop. Critic reviews have been bad too.
I think Ang Lee or Del Toro would be a better fit.
>I think Ang Lee or Del Toro would be a better fit.
*a better fit for Swamp Thing
I didn't really like Logan, kinda wanna check Indiana Jones though I'm afraid it's gonna suck royally because...
...Kathleen Kennedy.
You can blame that shit squarely on Kathleen Kennedy and the production hell that movie went through because of the pandemic.
WB is insane. b***hes are rebooting Harry Potter.
It's not really a reboot if it done in another medium. It's just another adaptation.
>They should
They should. They won't.
The shittest possible idea
>. Iron Man outed himself at the end of his first film because they don't want to deal with the whole secret identity stuff."
and here was me thinking it's because he'd already told the USAF who blew up their plane halfway through the movie and offered to buy a new one
>Westeros
oh good, a DC movie series featuring the unholy acting talent of Kit Harrington, White Guy With Dreadlocks, whichever of the chicks haven't started raising kids or quit acting and the Dog Faced Girl
what a time to be alive, remaking Game of Thrones with fricking superheroes
no they tried that in 2017 and it didn't make any difference
people liked Joker and The Batman but they still hated the DCEU, so the problem must be that the shared universe wasn't given enough of a shot after 10 years and 15 movies
>no they tried that in 2017 and it didn't make any difference
Not really?
yes really
https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/dc-wonder-woman-movie-strategy-universe.html
>“Our intention, certainly, moving forward is using the continuity to help make sure nothing is diverging in a way that doesn’t make sense, but there’s no insistence upon an overall story line or interconnectivity in that universe,” says Nelson, drawing nods from the top brass around her.
then they threw Nelson and Johns under the bus when it didn't pan out
yes absolutely, that was the rationale for not having crossovers, they'd seen that people didn't like them when DC does them
yet here we are 6 years later lesson unlearned
I'm talking even more standalone. Along the lines of Nolan Batman movies, with no crossovers.
people liked the Nolan Batman movies because of 9/11, they're an incredibly Bush-era set of movies about how torture and mass surveillance are necessary and good
might as well have dressed up as a red panda and called it Chinaman Begins
>people liked the Nolan Batman movies because of 9/11, they're an incredibly Bush-era set of movies about how torture and mass surveillance are necessary and good
That was only in TDK
And his torture is shown as fruitless and mass surveillance isnt shown as ethical. Plus Gotham is ultra corrupt and crime ridden. It's fiction.
People also liked most of the standalone films, it was the crossover clusterfricks that they didn't like.
Marvel already hired Harrington moron, he was supposed to be the black swordsman or some gay shit like that. Probably won't happen since Eternals flopped but still Marvel were the dumbasses first in whatever made-up scenario you dreamed up in your head as soon as you saw someone compare world-zones in a fantasy setting to something else that was popular and mainstream for almost 10 years.
Honestly, if they just adapted a bunch of Vertigo imprint shit, I'd be very happy.
I've wanted a live action Sandman Mystery Theatre show for years, but I can settle for a movie
>For me, there's Superman and Clark Kent. They're two different characters
Here we go.
Way to deliberately miss the point
Which is to put his ignorance of modern superman stories on full display?
No. It's to say this character has a secret identity. You know how you don't act with your parents like you do with your friends.
That's not what he said. The statement is he's approaching Clark Kent and Superman as if they're different characters. So that at the very least implies a very Silver Age read of the character, most likely informed by the old Donner films. I hope you're right, but I'm going to go by what he said until I see different. These interviews have a way of getting things twisted, but that seemed pretty cut and dry.
>So that at the very least implies a very Silver Age read of the character, most likely informed by the old Donner films.
Is this a bad thing?
Yeah, because the last time a hack director tried to ape the Donner films, we got Superman Returns.
>most likely informed by the old Donner films.
Funny since Christopher Reeve saw both reporter Clark and Superman as an act and you only saw the real person when he was in Smallville
Clark Kent and Superman ARE different people though. Superman wants to be Clark Kent. It's the same with Bruce Wayne and Batman. Bruce Wayne is the mask while Batman is the actual person.
>Superman wants to be Clark Kent.
Ignored
Sexually frustrated
dressed like someone's Grandfather
Yeah of course he does.
Your opinion is just as shit as Kill Bill's "Superman is just an butthole looking down on humans" shit.
Clark Kent works best as "Superman wants to lurk around Lois full time until he builds up his confidence with the ladies, and also so he can enjoy a cup of coffee and a doughnut without being mobbed/attacked."
Clark Kent is still this handsome square jawed 6’3 dude. He should have ZERO issues with women.
"Should" is a key word here.
That’s because he keeps on focusing on Lois instead of looking elsewhere.
Clark is also not assertive and can be a beta. No matter how handsome a man is, he needs a backbone to not take shit from his woman (and Lois constantly gives Smallville shit) and also needs to be able to protect her
Clark is assertive though. He’s Superman. Plus, he’s had plenty of women vying for his attention yet for some reason, focuses it squarely on Lois.
>Clark is assertive though
Shit’s realistic. In the real world, a girl like Lois would not at all be good for a working class farm boy to fall for. They’re trouble.
Notice how Marvel doesn't need to go out with these "explanations" of how they're going to be different. They just do what they do and let the fans judge.
Can you gays get a life? Marvel and DC and owned by the same entities. Your console warring is pathetic.
Ssssh, the average anon thinks this is some sort of huge war when everyone in the comics business is friends with each other and they answer to the same monolithic corporations.
Fricking Cinemaphile infesting everything with their console war mindset.
>opened a thread about company wars
>find the reply that hurts his fee fee
>think other people should be the ones to get a life
Oh, the irony.
Gunn's lines were not antagonizing MCU or its fans, you disingenuous homosexual. Are you that desperate to have an eternal console war on Cinemaphile when you are literally fighting for and against the same people?
Don't try to reason with autistics, you're wasting your time.
I see that you had to reply to yourself because i decided to ignore your homosexual seething ass.
So here is my (You).
I am afraid more than one person in this thread thinks you're a homosexual. But you keep being a worthless spaz that brings down the board's quality. I'm sure that will own whatever group you think you are arguing with.
Vanguard there is a mutual fund, and owns less than 10% of either. Black rock is troubling, but again, they own like 5%- they're not running the tables here.
Anon, those percentage are more than anyone else's. They're top dog.
vanguard and blackrock should be nationalized and broken in to smaller companies.
we have competition laws. if your too big to fail then your too big to exist
Son, were you even here when all this shit was starting? All Marvel ever did at the beginning was trying to explain how Thor fit in with this new realistic Iron Man they were doing. The first phase of Marvel was pretty much just apologizing for how magic operates in their world, the whole "it's just really advanced technology" bullshit. It's easy to say they just do whatever they want now that they have succeeded, but the beginning, down until the first Avengers movie, was clunkier than they pose it out to be nowadays. Granted, compared to the mess Zack Snyder made, it looked like solid gold, but then again, anything they did would look better than that.
>It's easy to say they just do whatever they want now that they have succeeded, but the beginning, down until the first Avengers movie, was clunkier than they pose it out to be nowadays.
those Phase 1 movies were soulful than most of the later MCU movies and DC movies combined
with the exception of the first Iron Man and the Avengers movie, they were all pretty mediocre superhero films. Not awful, but very forgettable. Rebranding them as "soulful" is pretty funny.
First Avenger and Thor were better than your average Phase 2 and onwards entry, ; they just didn't have the prestige yet.
Iron Man was a hit. Hulk was a flop and a production nightmare, just five years after the previous Hulk flop. Iron Man 2 got reworked into a commercial for the Avengers in the hopes of salvaging the shared universe concept. Thor did okay, and people actually liked Captain America. But what really saved the franchise was that Avengers was a good movie.
Anyone with a working brain could see these differences. DC has superheroes and Marvel has people with super powers.
>DC has superheroes and Marvel has people with super powers.
DC has IP:s, Marvel has characters.
They're all IP. You've bought into company tribalism and made it part of your identity
Okay. Then Marvel has better IP:s because they're more successful. Does that make you feel better?
No. I feel bad for you because you think I've taken a side in a company war like you have
An I feel bad for you because you've been fighting for the losing side for a decade now. And you keep losing.
See
.
No one is losing except you for wasting you life in a meaningless war.
>Notice how Marvel doesn't need to go out with these "explanations" of how they're going to be different
Well, when you establish the status quo first you don't have to justify anything because you've set the standard. When you're entering the market to compete against the status quo, you have to explain why your product is superior or different enough to warrant customer attraction. This is how business and marketing works anon.
Instead Marvel was absolutely embarrassed about doing superhero movies at the start and repeatedly kept making “wink wink isn’t this silly my dear normie” type self deprecating jokes while removing any aspect of the character that possibly seemed too goofy. Hence Thor’s helmet is barely show or used, Cap’s comic accurate costume with the wings is ridiculed, they immediately refuse to do Iron Man is a bodyguard bit, Hawkeye is just a generic military guy with a family, Ultron was completely redone, etc.
>they immediately refuse to do Iron Man is a bodyguard bit,
Good. It's a product of a different era and a corny waste of time.
>Hawkeye is just a generic military guy with a family,
Ultimate comics did it first
>Ultron was completely redone, etc.
Blame Joss Whedon
This much fricking millenial taste, argh
Ultimate is no excuse for anything
And wasting time with secret identities for non-street level heroes is such a boomer viewpoint
Movies are adaptations that filter stuff out. Iron Man openly embracing who he is, is perfect for a hotshot tech executive type.
If it wasn't tied to a greater cinematic universe, it was the perfect setup for a great Iron Man trilogy that could've explored some interesting themes
Half the fun in superhero stories is about secret identity shenanigans. Otherwise it's all closer to just generic shit.
You just had to look at Raimi Spider-Man and Ant-Man 1.
As a matter of fact,
reminded me of how great Lois & Clark was.
>Half the fun in superhero stories is about secret identity shenanigans. Otherwise it's all closer to just generic shit
Not at all. Great runs exploit the characters genres and thematic elements and provide meaningful conflict and stories.
Secret identities were often a pox. Is anyone clamoring for a return of Thor's Donald Blake persona?
HELL yeah, Don got fricked over royally by shit writing.
Only an issue when writers forget that he lived a life as a human long enough to become a doctor.
To be fair, if I recall he already appeared at college or something like that.
Yeah, making Ant-Man into a big celebrity in Quantumania is something that's earned but it also somewhat makes Scott lose part of what made him special in the first place. It could have been interesting if that was explored in the movie, could even have Cassie go through an actual arc of trying to live up to her father's legacy but they instead, decided to dump the entire cast into a wacky CGI mess to hype Kang and the multiverse shit.
>Instead Marvel was absolutely embarrassed about doing superhero movies at the start and repeatedly kept making “wink wink isn’t this silly my dear normie” type self deprecating jokes while removing any aspect of the character that possibly seemed too goofy
You're mistaking Phase 1 MCU with the X-Men movies
Nobody who's embarrassed about Superhero movies would fund Thor, which is essentially a Magical Princess (male) fish out of water story.
They just knew that going Full SRS Bsns wouldn't attract the level of audience required to make sustainable hits out of C-list heroes. You needed to attract the full family audience crowd, otherwise you are just pissing away money.
And anyway the best Marvel Comics don't take themselves too seriously, with all of DC's "OMG Superman/Batman is the Soul of the Multiverse without which all of reality would collapse into Anti-Life forever and ever" nonsense.
>And anyway the best Marvel Comics don't take themselves too seriously
That's not true
I respect your opinion but disagree.
>larger-than-life, true blue superheroes
This is nerd-speak for "unrelatable".
To be fair marvel characters are not "relatable" as well.
>To be fair marvel characters are not "relatable" as well.
they were literally designed for the human element to be the first priority
Ah, yes, who amongst us hasn't used performance enhancing drugs to fight Nazis? I literally saw myself in those red, white, and blue undies.
I got in a few punches at Charottesville, and I use creatine, so me.
You shouldn't punch federal agents, anon.
They looked a bit young and stupid for Feds. Nice haircuts tho.
>how do you do, my fellow aryan brothers?
Captain America despite having super gymnastic powers. Can't do any of the shit Superman can because he's still a human being. So he's relatable because he's an underdog fighting the corruption. You don't often see that in Superman comics, at least not these days and we definitely haven't seen that done in any live action movie.
>le superman if overpowered meme
His villains power scale to his level. And if you genuinely had issues with power levels, then Thor, Hulk, and Strange should be just as unrelatable to you.
Hulk and Thor had horrible movies.
Thank you for the non sequitur.
They would have been better movies if Thor and Hulk were weaker. Presumably the same would be true for Dr. Strange if his kind of magic relied on slight of hand instead of summoning aid from other dimensional forces.
Bull.
Thor's 1st movie is him being powerless for most of it and stuck on boring old relatable Earth, which most fans hated. His 2nd movie is derided because the plot makes no sense. His 3rd movie is praised for actually going cosmic and whacky. 4th movie is hated because it went too far with the whackiness and took nothing seriously resulted in tone deafness. None of the movies' problems had anything to do with power levels.
And Hulk's movie was fine. I don't remember anyone seriously hating it. The biggest complaints was the CGI but that is standard for nearly all cape movies in this day and age.
Let's be honest, the only reason TIH gets shit on and memory-holed is because of brand loyalty and not being seen as the "real" MCU.
Hulks only Hulk for half the time.
The good half.
what's relatable about Tom Holland Peter Pan exactly?
Tony Stark money
Of which he has ZERO after No Way Home.
>Even Captain America was turned into a soldier even though he wears a mask
What sense does that make? He was always a soldier.
They should time travel to 2010 and get the Greg Weisman of that time to lead the DCU, early YJ is pretty much the only time I could buy the whole DC universe in one continuity
frick off you kiddy shit loving loser
You lost?
YJ is trash, it goes from being about characters and building relationships to being nothing but plot plot plot and random cameos with force drama.
That's why I specified early YJ and 2010s Greg
>early YJ is pretty much the only time I could buy the whole DC universe in one continuity
agreed. Ironically the most Marvel-like take on DC.
still, Wonder Woman's lore got shafted again lol
>get the Greg Weisman of that time to lead the DCU
imagine how much of a fricking traiwreck that would have been. young justice is one of the worst capeshit cartoons to come out of warner brothers.
Oh, they REALLY shouldn't mate
>guys, people are saying that the new Flash movie is bad
>get Gunn on the phone, we need to talk about the MCU again!
This is so tiring.
The DCU is trying to be the MCU, what else are they suppose to talk about?
Will they just have movies that all take place in same universe and do their own things without having to build up or tie into a big story and just have crossover films here and there or will they do MCU shit?
Who gives a shit at this point?
I mean if they just let the movies be movies and not try to like make some big overarching story, at least then you can just enjoy what ya want.
They’re doing MCU shit. They have movies and shows that’ll build up to a New Frontier adaptation where they’ll fight the Center.
I guarantee about half of these won't even get made
Waller, Lanterns, Authority, Paradise Lost, Booster Gold, and Swamp Thing will 100% get scrapped.
>and Swamp Thing will 100% get scrapped.
Swamp Thing would make for a great horror or even environmental Oscar bait movie. They should keep it and make it standalone.
I'll watch these
I'll still threat this like the MCU an only watch the shit I want, which I'm basically done with MCU now I hope they bring back Elseworld logo I've always liked it.
>batman the brave and the bold
>sounds like a movie about some sassy nigress
what happened to ben afflecks solo batman movie. it was on a dcu plan like this. don't tell me ben dun goofed
Anon, are you genuinely moronic?
are you?
The Batman movie is adapting the Morrison run and will feature Damian as the new Robin.
>what happened to ben afflecks solo batman movie.
It was scrapped and rewritten into the Pattinson movie.
>For me, there's Superman and Clark Kent. They're two different characters
Am I the only one who thinks this is a decent way to interpret superman?
I don’t really like the implications of either
>Clark Kent being some fake persona
>superman being “the real” Clark
If anything I feel like Clark should be how Karl-El actually wants to be. Just a humble nice dude. Superman is him expressing his power but is much more of him “putting on an act” than being Clark is.
That is to say. If he had to choose to live as one or the other, he’d rather be the humble simple dude than the all powerful being. Him being superman is more about a sense of responsibility that comes with having powers like that.
I feel like that’s the core reason Superman is believable as to why he is still trustworthy and seen as a moral arbiter and generally, people in universe never really worry about superman going rogue. Because he’s that good. And the reason we know this, and why characters like Batman or Lois know this. Is because they know the real Clark
The issue is that Superman isn’t Kal-El, he’s Clark Kent. He was raised by the Kents, his parents, as an Earthling. Earth is all he knows and it’s where his friends and family are at.
Modern canon for at least 40 years has been he generally learns about his heritage and talks to his dead father. And learns a lot about kryptonians himself through doing so
Superman is often talked about as an immigrant or refugee story. So him collecting kryptonian artefacts and the bottled city of kandor and everything is pretty true to life for me. He is human and knows earth natively. But struggles and wants to connect to his birth heritage of krypton through relics and mementos
He usually learns about his Kryptonian heritage later on in life whether in his late teens or as an adult. Byrne had him learn AFTER he became Superman.
> Superman is often talked about as an immigrant or refugee story.
Which makes no sense. To a person making that argument a baby raised to manhood in America is not really an American and never can be.
Superman, Clark Kent, and Kal-El are all the same person, there is no difference between the three, none of them are a persona or a mask or whatever, the only difference is who he's talking to and what he's doing at any given time. Reeve was an acting masterclass and should continue to be lauded as such, but it's a poor way to handle the character. The animated series was unironically the right way to go because he never really acted any different as a person depending on whether he was a reporter or superhero.
If you can't put this scene in your Superman story and have it be natural to how you've written the characters (before Lois knows), then you've done it wrong.
>The way the character was handled for decades is a poor way to handle the character because it's not like in muh DCAU
It was never handled that way at all. Clark is Kal is Superman.
>Superman, Clark Kent, and Kal-El are all the same person, there is no difference between the three,
I disagree. Clark is who is, Kal-El is who he could have been and Superman is the ideal Clark has to live up.
You've shown a misunderstanding of DCAU Superman here. In STAS Clark says "But I am Clark. I'd go crazy if I had to be Superman all the time". When talking to himself he always calls himself Clark as well. Superman is a role he plays because the world needs him.
It's a role he plays in the sense of a job. Anyone would go crazy if they had to be a focused workaholic who couldn't relax and socialize all the time.
I want to impregnate Lois lane.
Clark Kent and Superman are one and the same. Have been for decades. Treating them like different people is the kind of backwards refusal to progress the character past the 80's movies that got us Superman Returns. Even Snyder understood that it was just that his take on Clark was too moody. Every TV version of Superman has gotten this, but the movies want to stay in the past.
I know what you mean. But superman still is always going to feel like he’s putting on an act.
Because superman is the guy who puffs his chest out. And confidently speaks like he’s in an informercial to the alien supermenace.
It’s hard to buy that’s who he “really” is.
>It’s hard to buy that’s who he “really” is.
Why?
Because nobody talks like they’re in an informercial
The only reason he can afford to put up this act is because he’s able to always hold back and is so much more powerful than whoever he’s facing
>Because nobody talks like they’re in an informercial
Neither does Superman unless you're reading books older than I am. And I'm an old man. lol
>Clark Kent and Superman are one and the same. Have been for decades.
No they aren't, that has never been the case.
Wrong. Smallville, Man of Steel, Superman and Lois, Lois and Clark. Pretty much every Post Crisis Superman comic. The DCAU, Most of the other DC cartoons. When you see them do it the old way, it actually sticks out these days. What do you got?
>Smallville, Man of Steel, Superman and Lois, Lois and Clark.
Not canon. The DCAU, Most of the other DC cartoons.
>Pretty much every Post Crisis Superman comic.
Wrong, the post crisis only made Clark the dominant personality while the old comics implied that Superman was his real self
>the dominant personality
Stop talking.
It has literally always been the case.
This take is bad.
You watched a couple movies by people who didn't get it, and maybe one decent one by committee and think you know something, but you are missing the mark.
Clark is a humble, salt of the earth Midwest farmer raised by good people, who has the power to do good so he does. He keeps an alternate identity to protect the people he loves and to be a part of his home. He's a journalist so that he has the ability to do good and fight for truth, justice and the American way even when he's living among people- because he is always the same person.
The Krypton stuff is a big part of the cruft, but honestly it's the single most superfluous part of Superman that has endured. If you take it away, you lose fun sci-fi stuff. For some fans, this is the best part of the character, and that's fine- I like the crust on baked Mac and cheese best, but it doesn't work on its own.
If you take away Clark, you have lost the character.
It sounds like you don't even read comics, anon
Superman and Clark get separated extremely frequently, and they're always depicted as very different characters who need to work together despite their differences
I've always thought of it as more than two.
There's the Clark Kent of Smallville, when he's with his parents and people that know his secret and he's at his most relaxed. He's chill and personable and humble, because he's around people that changed his diapers or remember the time he called his teacher mommy in third grade.
There's the Clark Kent of Metropolis, where because he's got to hide the fact that he's an alien he's a little more anxious and soft spoken and maybe he plays up the clumsiness a bit.
Then there's Superman, which is Clark of Smallville using his "dad" voice and standing up straighter and trying to be this ideal and project authority. It's as much an act as Clark of Metropolis is.
He's got a point about secret identities. It always seemed lame to me how the MCU Avengers are just government contractors taking a paycheck from Uncle Sam. The secret identity is so crucial to the whole superhero genre that it feels almost pointless without it.
Avengers don't really feel like superheroes, they feel like government agents like GI Joe with more colorful costumes, they aren't show like helping people and shit and how they just fight armors of no name soldiers and just kill willy nilly.
Yeah, that was shit.
Avengers 2 gets lots of shit, but at least it did show them saving people and Cap leading and acting in character.
Of course they fricked that up in Civil War by putting a lot of casualties there.
They got that from The Ultimates where they were basically The Authority.
So they get secret identities? At least that's profit.
The answer is it will have a much lower budget HAHAHAHAHAH!
>For me, there's Superman and Clark Kent. They're two different characters
yup, he has no clue what he is doing.
>and it makes it a little bit like Westeros in some ways.
Jesus Christ
his superman movie is long to be out and he's already coping like no tomorrow
Oh james you say the right words and sentiments but then you go and hire Tom King despite knowing that Grant Morrison has been jerking off to the hollywood sign for god knows how long? Tom isn't gonna help ya, he's just gonna use you like he uses everyone else.
>Tom isn't gonna help ya, he's just gonna use you like he uses everyone else.
How many Afghan informants do you think Tom hung out to dry while working counter terrorism for the CIA? "I know I said I'd get you a visa Achmed, but just try to lay low in Kabul. The Taliban probably don't even know where your family lives"
a glow Black person gets hired to make movies?!l
watch out of shit cargo shorts in the film
Didn't you catch the withdrawal? All of them LMAO
Hiring either would suck anyway
>Why didn't Grant just tell you what he meant?
>He just wouldn't
>I ask him how to write a good Superman story and he said to I had to sacrifice a pet or parent?
No, Grant would tell you to go find Superman and ask him. By this meaning some homeless guy in a costume
True story btw
Isnt he a pedophile
>For me, there's Superman and Clark Kent. They're two different characters
Seemed to me like there was Harley Quinn and that's it. Peacemaker and that's it. We-couldn't-recast-Deadshot and that's it.
>Also, with DC it is Gotham City and Metropolis and Star City and Bludhaven, and all these different places in this other reality
All filmed in Chicago or NY, every single time. So you may call it a fruitmix, but I keep seeing the same rotten apple from different angles.
Burton and Schumaucher filmed Gotham on sets.
K, we're talking current Warner Bros.
>every single time
Detective Comic Universe?
Detective Cinematic Universe?
Da Cinematic Universe, mon
>Clark Kent and Superman are one and the same
I wonder who's behind this...
Snake Charmer?
You can't be worse than MCU at this point.
I understand it's been a hard, dispiriting few years for you DCfriend, but cool it.
someone hasn't been paying attention
>as grounded as possible
No! Bad Gunn! Bad! Don't be like Zack Snyder!
meh
Who?
>For me, there's Superman and Clark Kent.
But they are the same character, dude come on
This Black person didn't watch Daredevil.
I recall he liked a tweet making fun of Daredevil not really being a part of the MCU because the shows weren't initially acknowledged in the movies
this is the same guy who said the Flash was going to be the best capeshit ever since TDK. Being a corporate man comes with your very own red nose and green wig.
He's the head of DC. It's his job to hype things up.
I don't remember Feige coming out after Ant-man 3 and saying "Can you believe we made this shit!?"
Was he claiming Ant-Man 3 to be the best thing in cinema at any point?
This.
DC pays "journalists" to hype all of their movies for revenue while spending no effort on trying to make good movies. It's the DC way at this point. Capitalize on hype not quality.
He was claiming Kang to be the best villain ever only for him to get defeated by ants in the movie.
why would the villain in an ant-man movie not be defeated by ants
The issue is that he’s the next big bad for the entire MCU and he got his shit kicked in by fricking Ant-Man in his debut.
He's effective as a Mastermind Villain, he just needs appropriate lackeys.
He's more of a Loki than a Thanos. (who still had lackeys).
Pym scales with abstracts, Anon. Deal with it, MCU Pym isn't even close yet.
If there's a team in the MCU that I can see dealing with high tier science threats like Kang, that would be the Ant-Senpai. Pym himself in the comics is only second to the likes of Reed Richards and Doom and even then he still one-up them in certain occasions. The entire Ant-Team is basically an Avengers line up on its own. My real problem is that the movie wasn't well written.
No, as a matter of fact he was clever enough to shut the frick up and not say shit like "guys, remember Endgame? This is better"
But then again, he has been doing this job for far longer than Gunn.
Ots difference between marvel and dc on general. Wtf he is talking about.
He's right. But that's also why Marvel is more liked unfortunately. It's fun for kids if they're able to self insert as a character and that's easer to do with more down to earth characters than an alien.
I hate both of em. But I side with DC just cause I'm sick and tired of Disney/Marvel making everybody black
>James Gunn Explains How The DCU Will Differ From The MCU
We know that James Gunn is a disciple of Kevin Feige so he will follow the style of never having sexy female characters like Powergirl and Starfire and James Gunn's Wonder Woman maybe have short hair, be lgbt and wear pants, this new DCU will be the wokest thing you have ever seen
As bad as this is, if GotG is anything to go by, I'd be more worried about how much he's gonna butcher the characters. That and keep killing them off.
Wonder Woman's been wearing pants since the 1960s bro
No? Why are you lying?
I only hope don't see the characters masks on/off every time for only see the horrible actor's face.
Both Superman and Clark are personas of one person controlling both identities. Superman does stuff the character wishes he could do as Clark (that's the whole reason the persona exists). Clark does stuff the character wishes he could do as Superman (also the whole reason the persona exists).
Depending on the story the persona the character is more attached to varies. Byrne's Man of Steel would have you believe Clark is the one that the character wishes he could be (he literally states this in the first issue). Morrison's All Star would have you believe the opposite (if you can't infer it from the story, at least infer it from the ending). I'd argue that your average post-Crisis runs would have you believe it's somewhere in the middle, ESPECIALLY in recent years once he became a father and had to model both aspects of his life for his son.
And I think that down the middle approach is the right one. It's a far, far less hopeful message for either one of the personas to be a fake. Superman being second to Clark implies that somewhere deep down the character wants to shirk his heroic capabilities. Clark being second to Superman implies that somewhere deep down the character wants to discard the person his adoptive parents taught him to be in favor of pure heroism.
The "real" Superman is the person that mediates between both identities. The down the middle approach where both Clark and Superman are equally valid identities to the character is ideal. It both provides opportunities for deep psychological conflict when mediating the identities and glorifies each identity's importance individually as well.
No Superman movie has ever adapted this take on him despite it occurring pretty much naturally as PC Supes' character progressed. STAS is the closest an adaptation has gotten to portraying that appeal, but even that was weighed down by a weird Lois Lane and terrible Batwank.
I don't think Gunn will be able to deliver either.
The real Clark is the one that shows up when he's relaxing with the people who know his identity
Agreed.
...it's over, isn't it?
Ezra MIller should have spared Hawaii, as long as they swore to watch his movie.
Which of these two hate leotards on women the most?
Neither do since they're men, but they don't want to piss off twitter roasties who don't want to see women look sexy in media.
I just hate multiverse stuff and I've stopped watching Marvel because of it. I just hope once his universe is established he never touches that shit again.