What's the point of trying to do a cinematic universe then? Just keep all these movies disconnected like they already are. This just sounds like a continuation of the HamadaVerse where they want all the benefits of a cinematic universe but none of the downsides, ie "homework" for the audience. Even though said "homework" is why bad movies like Ant-Man 3 still manages to outgross all the DC films from this year combined.
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please please please please please have a nice day, op. End your life!!!!! You're a homosexual!!!
Someone at the head of DC seriously needs to Fire Gunn (no pun lntended)
I don't think he needs to be fired but he either needs to shut up until Superman starts filming or come out and explain specifically what their plans for these new movies is going to be to end all the confusing and questioning. Really he should have done this back in January, maybe even taking a live QnA from reporters or fans. But maybe the shame from trashing all of the DCEU except his own projects would have been too apparent.
None of that is going to have any impact on the box office at all. Stop pretending you matter.
A shared universe should not make you do fricking home work where you need to see 8 movies before you can watch the new one. That’s exactly why people are getting tired of MCU.
>That’s exactly why people are getting tired of MCU.
No, they're tired of the MCU because the movies and tv shows have been subpar. If everything past Endgame had been good, no one would be complaining about "homework", just as they didn't for the first 10 years of the MCU's existence.
The hype has died, now it feels homework because it always was. It was just so new and cool that you didn’t mind.
>because the movies and tv shows have been subpar
They were never good to begin with, Avengers 1 is a mess in every way but the CGI that still aged far worse than Transformers or Planet of the Apes.
Alright anon.
>everybody acting out of character
>forced conflicts that made no sense
>extremely rushed pacing so everybody can feel like they ended best friends
>villain plan and army would be easily stopped by the american army just NOT retreating like morons and just shooting them
yep
also
>awful choreography
>terrible acting from most of the cast
The giant worm could possibly be a problem to the army but to be fair Thor and Hulk could easily still kill it.
Apes' CGI is unironically a high bar
Every Avengers movie sucked even Endgame, the plot was solved by a literal Deux Ex Machina time machine out of nowhere, you literally can't be any lazier than that.
ok
>If everything past Endgame had been good, no one would be complaining about "homework
These are related, though. One they moved past the first wave and the initial novelty, they got more and more bogged down with continuity that led to subpar movies and TV placing maintaining old continuity and setting up the next installment over just being good in themselves.
You can have Superman and Batman live in the same universe without having to make one a sequel to the other. Having some minor bits fitting together is more than enough.
>Even though said "homework" is why bad movies like Ant-Man 3 still manages to outgross all the DC films from this year combined.
DC movies this year relied more on shared universe nostalgia than the MCU specially the Flash
Also funny that you are using the MCU as an example when fricking Barbie destroyed them this year
>DC movies this year relied more on shared universe nostalgia than the MCU specially the Flash
It was really only The Flash and it's nostalgia came from the Tim Burton movies, not the current DC universe
>Also funny that you are using the MCU as an example when fricking Barbie destroyed them this year
Not relevant at all to what I'm talking about, moron
Basic b***h boomer TV shows can just have characters crossover like nothing, it’s no big deal to have a shared universe as long as you don’t require people to watch everything to follow a story about entirely different characters .
You'd be surprised how many times I've had to tell people in their only 20s that they don't have to watch every episode of Cheers to watch one episode of Frasier
They've been trained like dogs and allowed to think it's okay because they're on the spectrum
The development of long-form storytelling in TV was a good thing, but it's gone too far. Not everything has to be like that, good episodic shows are just fine. You're right that the younger generation doesn't seem to understand this.
Cinematic universes and consistent lore are not important. Even people who say they want those things are mistaken. What they actually want is consistent characterization, which in theory a cinematic universe and consistent lore should deliver. But the DC movies do not. Even current era comics do not. This was, is, and will continue to be the DCU's point of failure if they keep jerking off to the idea of cinematic universes.
I like Gunn and I have reasonably high hopes for his DCU, but every single interview he gives about it just seems like he has a checklist of all the complaints leveled against the MCU so he can talk about how the DCU will totally not do these things.
I mean Gunn literally worked for the MCU and helped boost a little known IP into a global phenomenon. this isn't like an outsider trying to sound good but a guy that knows what the pitfalls are.
The unknown IP was only put into the mainstream by it's connection to a strong series of movies.
Gunn tried the same thing with The Suicide Squad and it completely bombed because the DCEU sucks shit
didn't that move release same day digital lmao
So did other movies that did well at the box office. Godzilla vs Kong, for example.
>The unknown IP was only put into the mainstream by it's connection to a strong series of movies.
Not really, Guardians was explictly marketed as being weird, different, and distant compared to the other Marvel movies that were out at the time.
If it wasn't in the MCU, GotG wouldn't have done as well. Period.
And it was still connected to the overall story of the MCU
>infinity stones
>Thanos cameo
>celestials
You didn't have to watch all the mcu movies. Are you really gonna try telling me all the normalgays that enjoyed infinity war watched every single mcu movie prior?
It's really post-Infinity War that the problem came to the fore. It's a common complaint I've seen, that the more recent MCU movies are half tying up stuff from previous movies and half setting up the next one.
They watched most of them, yes.
>not having to do homework for a movie is a bad thing now
I’m glad I won’t have to watch 10 things to understand one movie. He’s right, they should stand on their own. Otherwise we get ant man 3 which was called like a “first episode of a show” and not a movie
What the frick is wrong you OP, he's exactly right. Each movie should be fun and interesting on its own. If you feel like it's a chore that you have to do instead of something to look forward to there's a problem. Capeshit really does make people moronic if you really can't understand this. "I guess I'll slog through this shit I hate because I have to keep up" is capeshit brain damage that the vast majority of people don't have.
Are you stupid or are you just an ESL with poor reading comprehension skills?
>Movies in a shared universe should be watchable without needing to watch 10 other movies regarding other heroes to understand the plot of this one!
All he's fricking saying is, Character films focus on that character and plots limited to that character, with nods to the shared universe. Group films should focus on a villain exclusive to the group, not one that alters the plotline of every other character's movies.
Yes, outrage monger, because as we all know every single comics reader reads every single DC and Marvel book.
That's actually really good. I'm all for standalone movies that are part of a shared universe. Not everything has to be connected with everything else.
>Not everything has to be connected with everything else.
Then don't make a cinematic universe with a world map and everything. Just do what Hamada did.
Think of the Timmverse. Batman and Superman had their own shows and crossed over every once in a while but the stuff happening in one didn't become required viewing for the other. Same thing with Static Shock. Aside from the crossover there wasn't anything you needed to know from the other series. Ideally these movies will feel like the preMCU superhero movies but now they all take place in the same universe without it being shoved into your face.
This is so fricking stupid. EVERYTHING requires investing time and effort. Even fricking jacking off is a time and effort investment. Frick the stupid idiots like this pedo who think consuming media is an action that occurs in a vacuum. If I'm gonna fricking waste my time watching fictional trash, it might as well be properly constructed and all parts of it be coherent with one another so I can feel a sense of satisfaction in me having wasted my time and effort following your trash.
I have never seen a man more set up to fail than this idiot.
then what was the point of retconning tss & blue beetle
I didn't watch every MCU movie