Jay did nothing wrong.
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No, he didn't.
Never understood why Dave and Conan were so bitter towards Jay like he held NBC at a gunpoint to get the show.
Was he supposed to pass over the job because they felt entitled to it?
it's because of Carson railing against NBC and Jay. he gained a reputation, which not not totally deserved sticks around in Hollywood
>Was he supposed to pass over the job because they felt entitled to it?
He DID pass over the job, he even had Conan on his show to hand over the reigns. The point is he publicly gave up the show, and then behind the scenes did everything he could to frick Conan over. NBC helped by giving him A FRICKING CHATSHOW BEFORE A CONAN'S CHATSHOW.
>Be Leno
>See young Irish lad upcoming comic
>Decide to cut him some slack and hand your show to him
>"Let's see if he has the chops hehe"
>Irish lad flops as host
>Blames you cause you still wanted to do another show on the network
>mfw
>and then behind the scenes did everything he could to frick Conan over
Conans ratings sucked and NBC panicked and offered Leno a shit ton of money for a new show which he took. why should he turn down millions of dollars?
>Conans ratings sucked
Because his lead-in was another fricking chatshow hosted by Leno. You have to build an audience in tv which is why tv has been atrocious for decades. Leno's ratings when he took over from Carson were bad, when Conan started Late Night his were bad.
The dude hid in a closet to advance himself, he even forced Carson out in a way. Then he what did what
said.
>say your gonna retire
>don't
>destroy your successor just for kicks
>quit a year later
He's such s fricking dirtbag.
It's not his fault Conan was too shit to pull in a decent audience and sent the advertisers and affiliates shitting themselves in panic.
why didn't Jay pull an audience in his awful lead in?
This, Jay is a piece of shit.
He was already wealthy beyond most people's wildest dreams. He had already had the tonight show for years.
Instead of just retiring with what scraps of dignity he had left, he just had to try to hog the limelight for an ego boost. He screwed over a younger guy who really wanted the job, and was good at it for no reason.
Whatever disease kills him won't be bad enough.
Jay was a company man. He'd probably still be doing the Tonight Show but NBC was pushing him out so Conan could get TTS and not have another Letterman situation. Well NBC is fricking moronic. It was clear that Conan was never going to be an 11:35 host. He's too weird. So Conan gets ass pained that audiences don't like him in the 11:35 slot so NBC kicks him out. Jay keeping his team employed is not shitty. NBC is just completely moronic.
When Carson handed over the reigns he fricking left, he didn't stick around and he certainly didn't try and get a shitty show as a lead-in to the Tonight Show just to frick over the person he just gave it to. Jay was number 1 in his time slot, he COULD have gone to another network, he COULD have told NBC he wasn't giving up TTS. Instead he chose the weasliest of weasley options.
He wasn't forced out like Jay was.
Why should Jay "Big Jaw" Leno worry about what's best for Conan "Haiti" O'Brien? It makes no sense.
he owed it to him because, because... he just did, ok?
Conan always sucked.
>Conangays unironically think they can compete with this
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>this made boomers piss and shit themselves
grim
peak Jay was when hed go on lettermans nbc show. Johnny hated Jay even before he took his job
>Johnny hated Jay even before he took his job
Johnny soured on Jay when Jay moved right in, started installing his own people and used Johnny's parking spot. Johnny was an egomaniac and thought he could hover around and continue to pull strings post-'retirement'.
Jay was too goddamned savvy to let that shit happen. Whatever else you may think of him, you cannot deny Leno is a sharp businessman and strategist.
If Conan was as cutthroat as Jay learned to be throughout his harsh experience in the business there's no way he would have let NBC frick him over.
Personally, I don't blame Leno for taking a fat purse when it was offered to him, even though I think it was a shit thing to do. Conan and his team should have found a way to out-manoeuver the NBC shitbags that fricked up his show.
Carson was also a wimp
>https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/television/fulford-heres-the-real-johnny-carson
I want to believe you, I really do, but
>National Post
Go frick yourself with a broken bottle.
Is it bad that I unironically think this is pretty funny?
No. Jay Leno is an ace comedian.
>magna carta
and
>this is my inheritance
are both great lines
Boomers were always moronic.
I never understood why people liked Steve Martin. Never did anything that made me laugh.
can't believe I've been a conangay all this time
Conan needed to pull A-Lister guests like Gywnth Paltrow or Brad Pitt. Not nobodies like Kevin Nealon or Norm MacDonald
Dave > Craig > Jay > Conan
You are so close, but it seems like you are forgetting how much better Conan was than Jay in his heyday.
Parr>Letterman>Carson>Snyder>Allen>Leno
Exactly the kind of contrarian ranking I'd expect from Cinemaphile
Conan is a reddit darling. Go simp for him over there
newbie
what a homosexual
That two week period when Orange Hitler called Haiti a shit hole and everyone had to pretend that Haiti isn't a shit hole will never not be hilarious to me.
courtesy reminder that jay was so weak he hid inside a closet during an NBC executive meeting. real shit
How many times did Conan hide in the closet? Oh thats right, zero.
Conan>Lopez>Kimmel>Fallon>Letterman
'luv Jay
'luv Conan
'ate eybody else
simple as
dont care if they hate each other, Leno + Conan NBC lineup was kino
He's comfy as a car show host.
Conan's writers strike episodes were the best latenight shows that have ever been.
>Leno makes Cinemaphilekino
>Conan is a ghoul of the MSM
Never got the appeal of Conan, maybe you have to be an American to appreciate him
Leno is the literal personification of the Company Man.
Really says a lot about how soulless Conan is if that is who he gets BTFOed by
>le Company Man
If the company is paying your salary, you're a company man. The Tonight Show is essentially a long-form advertisement space for whichever celebrities, bands, movies, etc NBC is paid to push, it's not high art. Conan is much funnier than Leno in ny opinion, but he's a gay who didn't understand that he was competing for fancy salesman job, which is why Leno destroyed him (and why Leno edged out Letterman).
For anyone interested, it's worth watching Letterman's interview with Norm on Norm's old podcast and Jay's interviews on Rogan and Marc Maron (as insufferable as Marc Maron is). Letterman and Leno both tell some of the same stories across those three podcasts, and their differing perspectives on the business aspect of showbiz and late night talk shows are really well highlighted. It changed my opinion on the whole issue, I used to be a staunch believer that Conan was in the right
>If the company is paying your salary, you're a company man.
That's not what that means.
>ESL unable to discern subtext
Many such cases
You're literally the ESL in this case. The "Company Man" is a western trope. You can't redefine it and then scream "ESL!"
Okay Rajindahar
Really, the way to fix it was to just move Tonight Show to NY. Part of the issue with Jay is that his 10PM show killed news affiliates and booked big guests because they pretty much had to since it was a new show.
Jay was the one who said he would retire as well and then went back on it. I don't understand how people can say he's right for straight up saying one thing and then doing everything he can to make sure that thing doesn't happen. If he didn't want to leave he should've said so.
>purebred (lol, lmao) muttistani fails at common american colloquialisms
many such cases
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It was Conan's own dumb idea to force the issue in 2005 or 6, he got what he deserved
Imagine begging for (You)s
he is with that gay flag on the right
Jay was the good guy, letterman was not. They never forgave him
He appealed to low class people. Proles shouldn't be pandered to.
>Conan has been relegated to satellite radio
kwab
The reason people don't respect Jay is because he went about the whole thing in a two-faced way and let the network push him and Conan around. If he had fought NBC to keep his show in the first place and maybe gone to another network to compete against Conan people wouldn't have a problem with it. But handing it off to Conan only to stick around and then take his job back rubbed people the wrong way
>muh handing off
frick off.
Conan did the same to him to kick things off. Read "The Late Night Wars" if you haven't (and if you're that interested in this to read an entire book about it), Conan and his team successfully maneuvered Leno into "handing over" the show as part of Conan's contract negotiation. Leno didn't like how Conan had fricked him over, and so he fricked him over right back. If Conan didn't want to play two-faced games, then he shouldn't have engaged in two-faced games to begin with
>Conan and his team successfully maneuvered Leno into "handing over" the show
How *exactly* did they do that, and don't say read the book.
You really should read the book.
At the height of his popularity, Conan made it a stipulation of his Late Night contract renegotiation that he be given The Tonight Show after the end of his signing (so like 3-5 years, can't remember which). Conan's team threatened to leave to Fox if NBC didn't give him The Tonight Show. NBC was obviously afraid to lose Conan given his ratings, and pressured Leno into making a statement and signing a contract to pass Conan the Tonight Show at the end of Conan's Late Night contract. Conan and his team passed this off as Leno being ready to hand over the reins.
By the end of Conan's contract his ratings had slipped and Leno was in a position to frick Conan over by demanding the lead-in show
>NBC was obviously afraid to lose Conan given his ratings, and pressured Leno into making a statement and signing a contract to pass Conan the Tonight Show at the end of Conan's Late Night contract. Conan and his team passed this off as Leno being ready to hand over the reins.
Leno, as he repeatedly points out, was the number 1 show in his slot. There was zero reason for him to cave to their demands and hand over the show.
>There was zero reason for him to cave to their demands and hand over the show.
Leno felt the same way. If l you won't read the book, at least read the wikipedia article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Tonight_Show_conflict
>Leno likened his removal from The Tonight Show to the end of a relationship, noting that he was loyal and still ended up "heartbroken".[39] From his perspective, NBC's decision made no sense, as his show had remained number one in ratings and consistently brought in money
Don’t care for him but I find it hilarious he voiced the Crimson Chin.
>OLD BLACK MAVIS
>Get a host for your talk show
>He talks like a moronic kid
>'mericans love it